Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Drag Race/Archive 12

Discussion re: Snatch Game
Please see Talk:Snatch_Game to discuss the format of the Snatch Game entry.

Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:31, 4 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Multiple editors are now overhauling this page. Fun to watch the progress! Join us :) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:06, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Frock Destroyers template
Why not create a template for British trio: Frock Destroyers?

Here is a sample:

What do you queens think? — ( talk ) 22:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Wish there were a few more entries to include in the template, but I'm not opposed to creation. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll check if there is enough sources for to create their docuseries, where it can be added to this sample and WOW Presents Plus' template. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 00:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Created template, the template is placed throughout the articles in the template. Currently making the docuseries. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 14:27, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Rita Baga
Hey editors,

Currently this drag queen is getting backlash due to an accusation (which is true) of blackface. They posted an apology and just letting you editors know. I do not know if WOW or the show will take action for the upcoming iteration of CDRVSTW, but if they do, well we have to do what we got to do, editing.

— ( talk ) 12:31, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Mexico, Brazil and Germany's networks
Do we have any references about the shows' networks? It's because: under Drag Race (franchise), Mexico's "network" will be apparently under MTV LA, and for Brazil: will be under Paramount+. Is this correct? – JuanGLP (talk) 13:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Runner up and Miss C?
In RPDR UK Series 2, Bimini was both Runner up and Miss C apparently, so there are two questions, First is her selection as Miss C (selected by the other queens) the same as Miss C in other places (which apparently has gone from Miss C to Fan Favorite (and back?) Second, any suggestions for how to do the colors for someone who is both runner up and Miss C?Naraht (talk) 21:56, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Miss Congeniality/Fan Favorite UK S2&3?
While UK S1 has Miss Congeniality listed in the Infobox, neither S2 nor S3 appears to have that information at all. Two questions, Naraht (talk) 21:12, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Who was Miss C in those two Series and
 * Should Miss C *only* occur in the infobox or should it be in the placement table (either in finale or pre-finale episode)


 * if memory serves me right, it was Bimini for s2 Out.com, and Annubis for s3 GayTimes. It shouln't be in the infobox IMO. It's just voted for by the cast - its not an integral part of the competition. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 19:46, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not infobox, progress box, which most seasons do include.Naraht (talk) 21:38, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that (Bimini) is the first time that Miss C is someone in the Finale.Naraht (talk) 21:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Nina Flowers was also runner up and Miss C. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 23:05, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month: November
RuPaul's Drag Race UK (series 4) is the collaboration of the month for November. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Future installments
Now this article from Entertainment Weekly says that RPDR would expand to Asia (India, Japan, Singapore, and South Korea). And it confirms that DRTH will have its third season. Source: https://ew.com/tv/rupauls-drag-race-exploring-new-seasons-india-japan-singapore-south-korea/ — ( talk ) 19:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Seems like a work in progress but nothing definitive. No need to create new pages or anything, though might be worth mentioning the possibility of future expansion at Drag Race (franchise). --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I will info onto the franchise page. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! Perhaps just a sentence in the History section, there's no need to update the table until there are official confirmations. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:42, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I have added the information about the future installments of Drag Race to Asia. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 14:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Drag Race
Should the logo of RPDR from the template the WikiProject Drag Race be replaced with the Drag Race logo? — ( talk ) 23:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Can you share a link to the Drag Race logo? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Isn't it this one, it is located from the franchise page: File:Drag Race franchise logo.png — JuanGLP ( talk ) 23:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with this change. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:03, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I see you made the change, but then the file was removed for fair use purposes (which makes sense). Therefore, I've reverted to the version with RuPaul's Drag Race logo. While I agree a Drag Race logo may be more appropriate, for now I think most editors will pardon the minor discrepancy. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Alrighty, still learning new things. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 13:58, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Some Drag Race Template
Since each Drag Race contains judges, there should be a separate bar for former and current judges. I know RPDR and CANDR have former judges. This is how it should look like for the judges bar:

If you editors think it should necessary, please say so. — ( talk ) 14:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd rather (in the short term) see it as one line. J1 * J2 * J3 * J4 * Former (FJ1 * FJ2) but will not revert if someone else changes it.Naraht (talk) 16:02, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well I added the "Former" bar to the template.. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 14:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Tommaso Zorzi
Ciao! New stub at Tommaso Zorzi --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:25, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Added links to Zorzi, none in the Wikiproject scope though.Naraht (talk) 16:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Ongoing navigation template discussion
Project members might want to weigh in at Template talk:RuPaul's Drag Race UK --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Predecessor and successor fields in infoboxes
As a project, have we decided whether or not to use the Predecessor and Successor fields in infoboxes? I think they are unnecessary. For example, see Willow Pill, where you just see "Symone" in the infobox with no other context.

I vote to NOT use these fields. The order of winners is displayed in the navigation template at the bottom of the page, so I don't see a need to mention other show winners in an infobox for a specific individual.

Thoughts? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I vote no as well.Naraht (talk) 14:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

RPDR (S15)
Shall we have an article creation for RuPaul's Drag Race season 15? It announced the show's broadcasting with premiere date with poster art. — ( talk ) 20:58, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with it. And I think the change to MTV makes things more notable earlier in the cycle. (at worst, we'll get the list of competing queens before the formal AFD will be finished. :) )Naraht (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * RuPaul's Drag Race (season 15) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added the poster image with the TV season infobox. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 22:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

La Diamond
New stub: La Diamond --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Naysha Lopez
New stub: Naysha Lopez --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Added to template.Naraht (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Sasha Colby
New stub: Sasha Colby --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Is Sasha Colby the most notable queen at the time of the start of the season (US not all stars) she was on? Naraht (talk) 14:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Canada's Drag Race: Canada vs. the World
The contestants for Canada's Drag Race: Canada vs. the World have been confirmed: --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * https://ew.com/tv/canadas-drag-race-canada-vs-the-world-cast-revealed/

Templates for vs the World
Hey, why not add the winner(s) of vs the World to one of the franchise's templates? Or make a new template for the vs the World franchise? — ( talk ) 23:55, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Here's a sample(s):


 * Well, for one reason, there's only been one iteration of UK vs. the World and this is the first iteration of Canada vs. the World. Both are considered spin-offs, not new series. I don't see a new to add a new row to the UK or Canada templates just to display the name of one winner. I'm not against revisiting this in the future, if there are other iterations of UK vs. or Canada vs.. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:06, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What about making a separate template? It’s just an idea that I’ve got. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 00:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No, at least not yet. vs the World is not yet a concept. Right now there are 2 spin-offs. When sources start describing vs. the World as a concept or series, then we might reconsider. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Alrighty! I added another sample of what we can do, if they start describing the concept as a series (or not). — JuanGLP ( talk ) 14:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd support creation of Sample #2 IF there's a second iteration of UK vs. the World. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:53, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * For me, there really is not a point in having sample 2 with there only being one season, and there is no evidence to suggest there will be subsequent season. Like I said above, I don't mind adding a winners column into the original navbox, but under "Spin off" instead of "Vs the World". Just my thoughts personally.  --FinLogger2017 (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Another Believer, with the "new" all-stars franchise being announced from EW (probably a spin-off, I guess)... Many people are saying that the "vs the World" spin-offs will be discontinued. Do you think it may be best to include the first sample onto the templates (for Canada and the UK), AFTER the Canadian spin-off announced the new winner, this week? — JuanGLP ( talk ) 16:02, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. I'm not worried about what "people are saying" and there's no rush to change these templates. I don't think we need to include vs the world rows in the UK or Canada templates, no, if that's what you're asking. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:22, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I am asking for. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 16:29, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, we don't need vs. the world templates or rows in series templates. This could change if there are additional vs. the world competitions for Canada or the UK. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:37, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Representing Other Franchises
Is it possible to include and represent other Drag franchises onto this WikiProject? (Examples: La Más Draga or Queen of the Universe) This is just a suggestion and I want to hear your opinions. — ( talk ) 15:18, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * This is not WikiProject Drag. I think we should keep the scope specific to Drag Race. We already have WikiProject LGBT studies and WikiProject Television for other drag shows. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I was going to say that we should limit it to WoW products, but QotU is WoW as well. But honestly, sometimes it feels like The Switch (Chilean) was closer to QotU than the RPDR or the more recent international versions.Naraht (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * WOW is a production company and some of their work has nothing to do with DR. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month
Canada's Drag Race: Canada vs. the World is the Collaboration of the Month for December. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:25, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Sasha Colby nominated for deletion
Sasha Colby has been nominated for deletion. Article improvements and/or discussion participation welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Responded. In response, I indicated that it boils down to whether Miss Continental is a notable pageant. Remove Miss Continental from her biography and pretty much everyone here would move it back to being a redirect without too much thought. I believe that it is a notable pageant given the state feeder system.Naraht (talk) 15:05, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind! Nomination has been withdrawn. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

MDY/DMY Formats
So I noticed in some Drag Race franchises contains the MDY format instead of the DMY format. I know the US franchise uses the MDY format, but why the Philippines franchise also uses the MDY format, even though it's not their date format? — ( talk ) 22:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What do other Philippines television shows do?Naraht (talk) 05:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I see it does have the MDY format, but since it is not located in the US, it is better to have it in a DMY format. Currently, the DRPH article (and the season one article) is set to the DMY format. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That is *definitely* something that should standardize to country rather than trying to standardize to series.Naraht (talk) 19:16, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah. If we make more articles that featured dates (which is usually used), we should have the editors to checkout this page: Date format by country. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:22, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Legends before tables?
When did we switch to having the Legends (like color for how many times they had lipsynced before going home) *before* the tables they applied to rather than after?Naraht (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That was the result of this accessibility discussion last year. Armadillo  pteryx  20:38, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

DR: Germany/Mexico/Brazil
I think they've more or less frozen them. I haven't seen any of the information that I'd feel good moving the country page to Mainspace. Give me *one* judge or host on each...Naraht (talk) 18:35, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Naraht, I don't understand...? — JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:47, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I was refering to the pages and the fact that they don't exist in mainspace yet. If they announced one of the judges for DR:M, it probably would be enough to move it from draftspace to mainspace.Naraht (talk) 19:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah. There might be possibility of having Valentina as a judges since she has posting stories on IG in Mexico, but it's a theory. They might announce the judges in Spring 2023 (still aa theory). But don't worry, take time. — JuanGLP ( talk ) 20:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Drag Race Vs the World
Hey all, just wanting some opinions... If this Vs the World is going to be a continuous series should we have an article for Drag Race Vs the World and UK vs the World and Canada vs the World as direct articles, such as RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars Seasons... Just a thought as it is a collective series but uses a host nation, a bit like Eurovision I guess? --86.4.72.199 (talk) 14:46, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * We've gone back and forth on whether the vtW series are part of the nation or part of their own. The only clue that I have is that on the WoW website, epsidoes of UKvtW are in the same web directory structure as UK (so UK1, UK2, UK3, UKvtW), but that's not particularly public facing. Since RuPaul herself has been doing the vtW *and* no language other than English would make sense for a vtW (Do any two active series of DR share a language other than English?), the only other possibilities seem to be DUvtW and *maybe* ASvtW (though that feels more like something for an AS season).Naraht (talk) 15:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There are not (yet, at least) sources describing vs the world as a concept. There are simply the UK and Canada spin-offs. This could change in the future, but for now, we don't need a standalone entry for vs the world. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there is no need to create a page for "Drag vs the World". At the moment, we do not know what is the next host nation for the "vs the World" format. The both existing spin-offs does follow its format, one host nation, six episodes, and nine contestants. Though it may not continue since there are queens who does not know the English language. — Also, with the "new" spin-off announced from EW, it could discontinue and replace the "vs the World" format. Many speculate that the "Global All-Stars" could be a new format making it FEEL like the original All-Stars, with more contestants and longer episodes. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 21:34, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month: RuPaul's Drag Race (season 15)
RuPaul's Drag Race (season 15) is the Collaboration of the Month for January 2023. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

New content related to Drag Race Belgique

 * Category:Drag Race Belgique
 * Template:Drag Race Belgique
 * Mustii

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Now I do see we have a "template" created for the new upcoming show, but isn't it "required" to have five links? — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 02:33, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

The queens have been announced! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:19, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Naysha Lopez at AfD
The Naysha Lopez article has been nominated for deletion: --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:00, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Naysha Lopez


 * The article was kept. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:57, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

100 of the Most Influential Gay Entertainers - Article for Rebecca Glasscock?
In the AFD discussion for Sasha Colby, the book "100 of the Most Influential Gay Entertainers" (at https://books.google.com/books?id=NbqiQHtoxGYC&pg=PP12&lpg=PP12#v=onepage&q&f=false) was brought up as a source. I went looking through the Table of Contents there and did recognize one other DR queen: Rebecca Glasscock from Season 1, who is as far as I can tell, the *only* finalist from RPDR not to have an article. While the book only shows certain pages, (for example not all of Sasha Colby), It does appear that all pages are available for Rebecca. Oddly enough, it only refers to her birth first name (Javier), but there are other sources that give the entire name, for example https://draglicious.com.br/2021/03/02/whos-that-queen-rebecca-glasscock/ (in Portuguese) and https://www.boyculture.com/boy_culture/2020/06/javier-rivera-christina-quarternik-doxxing.html.

Note, she is *not* the only finalist from an English language DR without an article. Canada 3 is missing articles for all three finalists that didn't win: Jada Shada Hudson, Kimmy Couture & Miss Fiercalicious.Naraht (talk) 15:35, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Apparently Kbabej did bring the book up in the AFD on Rebecca Glasscock, but in a comment (rather than a keep) late.Naraht (talk) 15:41, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Irene Dubois
Irene Dubois at AfD: Articles for deletion/Irene Dubois

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:13, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Discussion has been relisted for additional feedback. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

New category

 * Category:Drag Race Sverige --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:29, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Cherry Valentine
Can editors help decide how to cover Cherry Valentine's death here: Talk:Cherry_Valentine ?

Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:36, 10 February 2023 (UTC)


 * One of the editors added the result of death for Cherry Valentine. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, per BBC. I will consider this issue resolved and archive this section. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Drag Race Italia - The other way...
Just curious, given the controversy of DRI Season 1 being won by a queen with no episode wins and the fact that DRI Season 2 went so *far* the other way. Is this the first season of DR where a queen won more than half the non-finale episodes? (Note, Ben Delacreme in AS3 doesn't qualify as she only won three (weeks 1,4 &6) (losing LfyL in weeks 2 & 3) of the seven non-finale episodes.).Naraht (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month: February
Mustii is the Collaboration of the Month for February.

Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Drag Race México
Why can't "Drag Race México" be an article? It has plenty of references, and if you look at the other Drag Race spin-offs... they are created then redirected to Drag Race (franchise), and then turn into an article with either one or two references. By the way, if this is supported, the franchise article has a reference to a PDF that copyrighted the name: Drag Race México. Also, I do not know if you editors are aware but, is it going to premiere on MTV (LA)? (It appears on the franchise page.) Anyways, I hope any editors support this, thank you. — JuanGLP (talk) 19:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, thought I had responded to this. There certainly *will* be a Drag Race Mexico page, in fact I'd be pretty surprised if it hadn't moved to mainspace by the end of the year WP:TVSERIES says "In most cases, a television series or season is not eligible for an article until it has been confirmed by reliable sources to have started filming (excluding a pilot's filming)." And while the Drag Race articles haven't quite followed that, it is a good rule of thumb. There are still a few things to be worked out, like I'm not sure there is official word whether the accent on the e will be part of the official name or not (My guess is yes, the primary audience for this is *in Mexico itself*). The draft can stay in draft space for up to 6 months after the most recent edit and it can be improved there during that time. I promise that when there is *official* word as to who the primary host is for the show from World of Wonder (or its legal spinoff for work in Mexico) that I will move it to mainspace if it isn't there already!Naraht (talk) 13:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Okie dokie, thank you for responding to me! Yeah I have seen Drag Race Belgique and Drag Race Sverige being in the mainspace before the hosts' announcements, but it's no problem. Though I have one more question, wilL DRMX be premiering on MTV (LA)? I just want to make sure. Thank you! — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 14:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Could you take a look at La Más Draga, it looks like it has premiered season 5, but some of the notes and headers for various seasons seem off to the point where I'm wondering if the Queens for season 5 are actually correct. (yes, I know it is a not a WoW property, but it does seem to affect some of the notes in the header of the Drag Race Mexico draft.Naraht (talk) 15:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Naraht: I checked the page, La Más Draga, and its YouTube page... and every contestant's name is correct. I will continue to help this program, though I would like the help from other people (even though it's not a Drag Race franchise or part of the WOW universe). Also I will be editing DRMX and Drag Latina, and the formats I have in these articles... don't change it. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 18:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * what threw me off is that all of the Legend color boxes refer to season 2 and the "Contestants of La Más Draga season 3 and their backgrounds" are used for both Season 4 & 5". Are those OK to fix?Naraht (talk) 19:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, those are okay to fix. I will try to make new articles for each season, if they have enought sources for that specific season. Right now I will create a season five for LMD, and then the other seasons. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed them all, and made all of the color boxes explanations general, so a Color is "Contestant" won season rather than the name being used there. Naraht (talk) 18:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Naraht, thank you very much! I want to shorten the page and make seperate articles for each season, but with sustainable sources. Currently I am doing LMD Season 5, and it seems there are enough references to be an article. Thank you very much, I really appreciate it! — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 18:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @JuanGLP, what are "sustainable sources"? --Kbabej (talk) 18:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Kbabej, wrong choice of words. I meant with *enough* sources. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 14:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Drag Race 2023.
Do we have *any* information on which versions of DR are occuring in which order in 2023? I'm *guessing* that RPDR 15 will start just after the first of the year, but don't have any clue. With DRI2 done, I think we only have CATW running and at this point, I think having two different versions running at the same time will be more common than not. According to the Franchise page, we have at *least* 11 versions of DR which will come in 2023! (Let's face it, if they announced Drag Race Japan today, they could cast film and transmit it by the end of the year.Naraht (talk) 18:34, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Naraht Most likely, the order of the DR shows we’ve seen for this year will likely happen again for 2023. With CAvsTW ending, there is a chance that RPDR will be announced with cast members (premiering JAN 2023). Also, DragCon UK 2023 is coming up and might have the potential to reveal the Belgium and Sweden series (for EARLY 2023. For the recent reveal of WOW trying to close a deal with O4 Media (for ASIA), it is likely that they will not announce any new shows until 2024 (and we have to see if the politics from any ASIAN countries have an issue with the LGBTQ+ community). For MX, BR, and GR, they are most likely to air around from SUMMER-FALL 2022 (including ES ALL STARS). — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:07, 10 December 2022 (UTC:
 * all reasonable guesses. I'm just used to having a better feeling for the season (winter/spring/summer/fall) for seasons coming in the next 12 months (I'm still surprised that ES is doing an All-stars at this point).Naraht (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Naraht, oh yeah I am surprised of the announcement from DRES. Imagine in 2024, they announce more shows with Asia on the rise (with the partnership from O4 Media and WOW Productions). — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 20:24, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Naraht, okay so they EW announced RPDR 15, DR Mexico + Germany + Brazil will premiere through Paramount+ and MTV. And a new All Stars Global is in the works. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 22:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Tongue Thai'd
Added info for the recent premiere episode: Tongue Thai'd.

Bring Back My Girls
Could we do an election to see if we can use the article name: Bring Back My Girls, to remove the redirect from You're a Winner, Baby and do article creation from the WOW+ series. There are enough sources for the series.

Frock Destroyers: Frockumentary
I did mention I was gonna do an article creation for this four-part series. And I will do it soon.

Painted with Raven
Since the second season is currently on the air, I feel we should use the Drag Race progress format and using the La Más Draga score progress.

Any thoughts? — ( talk ) 03:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * If there's enough sourcing, you can just create an entry about Bring Back My Girls here to override the redirect. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * With the point system, I'm not sure there is a better way to do PwR, but I'll give it some though (and before I change anything, I'll bring it here.
 * For Bring Back My Girls, right now that is linked in two places, one to this conversation, the *other* to the RuPaul Discography. It *should* also be linked from the Season 12 (in two places). So, we need to move Bring Back My Girls to Bring Back My Girls (RuPaul song) and move the list on the Discography page if we do so. (I'm fine with it being created if, of course we can get the article to a good place.)Naraht (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Larger countries without Drag Race.
Now that Brazil, Germany and Mexico are on the schedule to have DR. (respectively the 6, 19 & 10th largest) I wanted to look at what large countries could have DR and currently don't. Countries not mentioned here either have DR (like Brazil), wouldn't due to Government of Media control (China/Vietnam), still have Same-sex sexual activity being illegal (Bangladesh), or is in the middle of a war (Ukraine).


 * India (2) - Unlikely, but *possible*.
 * Japan(11) - Part of the announced WoW expansion to Asia
 * Turkey(17) - Probably too dangerous
 * South Korea (28) - Part of the announced WoW expansion to Asia
 * Colombia (29) - Largest country with Marriage Equality without any announced effort to bring DR to the country.
 * Poland (38) - Unlikely, but *possible*
 * Peru (43) - Possible
 * Venezuela (50) - Probably too unstable
 * Taiwan (57) - Part of the announced WoW expansion to Asia

Smallest country with an announced DR Franchise is Sweden at 91. Some larger countries even in Europe that area possible (Czech Republic, Portugal) but at that point, it just depends on the Drag scene, I guess. Naraht (talk) 07:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Drag Race Sverige queens announced
Drag Race Sverige queens have been announced: --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Meet-the-Queens-of-DRAG-RACE-SVERIGE-Season-One-on-WOW-Presents-Plus-20230206


 * They have been added to the page. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:32, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, and redirects have also been created! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:48, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Episode length

 * https://deadline.com/2023/02/rupauls-drag-race-returning-90-minute-episodes-after-fan-revolt-1235255178/

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


 * It is added to the Season 15 article. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 19:26, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Sugar and Spice (drag queens)
New article: Sugar and Spice (drag queens)

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:43, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

EP by Bob the Drag Queen
Project members might be interested in Gay Barz --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:37, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Drag Race queens on Queen of the Universe (season 2)
Aura Eternal and Love Masisi are competing on Queen of the Universe (season 2). This may quality them for Wikipedia articles. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I've created stubs for both. We'll see what happens! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Apparently there's going to be a Drag Race: All Stars Global
Accordingly to TV Line there's going to be an All Stars Global on Paramount+ >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 22:33, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Lil-unique1, while TV Line and Entertainment Weekly announced this international series, the name is redirected to the franchise. It may be best not to include onto the wikitable. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 22:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Another Believer, if they announce the plot of this "global all-stars"... It would still end up in the spin-off section, right? — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 15:57, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say so, but there's no need to worry until we have more information. Also, are we sure this isn't a name for the "vs the world" series? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Well with the information we have, it could be. Though it did not mention anything about the "vs the World" spin-offs, it could replace those spin-offs sort of like a "rebrand" since it did received many critics saying it feels "rushed". It did revealed the new spinoff/show would premiere in Paramount+ so it would mostly be based on the US with the international queens from other franchises coming in to compete. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 16:37, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Confirmation for Drag Race Brasil host is Xuxa.
I went searching for "Drag Race" and 2023 and one of the hits was https://inmagazine.ca/2022/12/heres-all-the-2023-editions-of-drag-race-that-are-on-the-way/ The *only* thing here that appears to be new is Xuxa as DR:BR host. I'm sort of surprised that something like this would be the first source though. Good enough ref? Good enough to make RP:BR an article? Anything else that is new? Naraht (talk) 22:18, 19 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Naraht I'd prefer if we waited, particularly because Xuxa is a cis-woman, it would be a franchise first for a full series to be hosted by someone other than a drag queen. Addtionally we don't know the exact title and there are conflicting reports about the TV network that will carry it. American sources have said Paramount+ but people in Brazil have said MTV Brasil will host the show. The same sources have also cited Pablo Vitar as a host. Given that the host is central to the show and a cis host would be a big deal and not follow the usual pattern, I think it warrants a more highly quality source. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 13:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In regards to the network that carries it, the idea that one would carry in the US and another in the country of the show is not unusual. I know that there has been quite a vocal group for Xuxa to host it, but then if we went by that, we would have created DR:Mexico already. I'm definitely willing to hold off on the creation of the article. I figure that the rock solid source for announcement of the host would either be from WoW or from other more closely related to the show in the country.Naraht (talk) 13:47, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Naraht, after searching Xuxa with Drag Race Brazil, there are plenty of article saying (or suggesting) Xuxa to be a host. Mainly these articles are mostly personal blogs. But same as @Lil-unique1, I would preferred to wait until a major news article (such as Entertainment Weekly) or World of Wonder to announce the hosts than someone from Reddit. By the way, people would love to have Pablo Vitar as a host but they are currently hosting a Netflix series, I think. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 15:54, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * well, this doesn't count as Reddit as far as I can tell, but it was still weird to see that fact *buried* in something that really didn't have any other new information and as far as I can tell everything else in the article could have been pulled from the Drag Race (franchise) page. That's why I posted here rather than actually making any changes/article creation based on it...Naraht (talk) 17:57, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

think that's a consensus that its too early. Also re: Paramount+ versus MTV Brasil, I'm aware that different careers outside of the host country will broadcast the show but the EW article suggests that Paramount+ will be the home of the show in Brazil, Mexico and Germany. No local broadcasters or full titles for the iterations have been announced. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 19:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Lil-unique1, only thing we know for sure that they'll premiere on WOW Present Plus haha. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 20:33, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say we are on the same page. Wouldn't be shocked if it was Xuxa, but still. And of course the entire question: Drag Race Brazil or Drag Race Brasil. :)Naraht (talk) 01:26, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * For real, the names of the DR franchises are really fustrating mee... But hey, we have to wait and see. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 03:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Xuxa is big in Brazil but still would be surprised if the show breaks the mould and doesn't cast a drag queen to host. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 11:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

On WP:BLPPRIVACY
Hey all! I know all of us here are aware of the myriad concerns when writing BLPs on Wikipedia, particularly WP:BLPPRIVACY. For convenience: "With identity theft a serious ongoing concern, many people regard their full names and dates of birth as private. Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public. [...] Consensus has indicated that the standard for inclusion of personal information of living persons is higher than mere existence of a reliable source that could be verified. [...] Original research must not be used to extrapolate the date of birth. If you see personal information such as phone numbers, addresses, account numbers, etc. in a BLP or anywhere on Wikipedia, edit the page to remove it and so that they can evaluate it and possibly remove it from the page history. To reduce the chances of triggering the Streisand effect, use a bland/generic edit summary and  mention that you will be requesting Oversight."

So we all know this, but I've noticed many avid fans of Drag Race often are unaware of these privacy issues and want Wikipedia to contain as much information as it can possibly have. I was wondering if it's worth restating a reminder of this on WikiProject Drag Race itself as a summary to not include, say, full legal names (especially MOS:DEADNAMES), dates of birth, family members' names, etc., unless multiple, reliable, secondary sources have included them. This would be something easy to point to if we have editors continually readding this information, and it might also be useful to have a guide on how to post on Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard or how to contact Oversight for especially egregious examples.

What do you all think? Would it be a waste of time to restate things written elsewhere on Wikipedia to people who already know this (since these editors probably aren't checking WikiProjects), or is it worth having something here too. I'm not super familiar with what sorts of things go in WikiProjects, but I know that this has been a persistent issue with articles about individual contestants on this franchise and figure some sort of discussion should be had. Umimmak (talk) 22:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


 * @Umimmak, disregarding deadnaming, which is a different issue, names are not considered private info on WP:BLPPRIVACY. If a DOB has not been widely disseminated, I don't think it should be included, but including performers' names seem like common sense when going on a national television show. --Kbabej (talk) 22:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, sometimes birth/legal names are not widely published. Maddy Morphosis comes to mind. (I'm not sure we should be mentioning the subject's legal name here on Wikipedia...) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:29, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's common sense if multiple secondary sources have included them, but I've seen some editors try to figure out middle names or full names which are otherwise different from how secondary sources refer to the performers out of drag based on primary or otherwise unreliable sources. Umimmak (talk) 22:30, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Umimmak, we can try to state a policy in this WikiProject. But I do believe people in real life can request their "private" info to be removed from Wikipedia, right? And I did encounter an editor [a couple hours ago] posting some artist's birth date (w/o source) on the article then saying "oh she said it on a tiktok", which isn't allowed of course.
 * Also for: MOS:DEADNAMES, this only applies if the human being is going to a transitional change, such as Elliot Page. Many drag queens (such as Jinkx Monsoon or Trixie Mattel) are notable from their stage name and not their actual name, such as Katy Perry (Katheryn Elizabeth Hudson). It is their stage name and not their "actual" name. (Also, I feel it should say "known professionally as" INSTEAD of "known by the stage name".)
 * If a drag queen ever changes their identity or gender (for example: Gigi Goode), we should request a deletion history involving the dead name since they do not go by that name. If an editor tries to add the dead name, we either A: let them know about the dead name policy, and B: if they do not corporate, we either have to block them from editing. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 03:37, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * But I do believe people in real life can request their "private" info to be removed from Wikipedia, right? They could, but I feel like we editors on Wikipedia can also just be on the look-out for edits which include personal information which isn't widespread in reliable, secondary sources, and, if necessary, report to Oversight. It's significantly easier to redact information from a single version. Umimmak (talk) 03:43, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Status of Drag Race Holland
Are we sure the series has ended? Source? Should recent changes be reverted? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Well no one hasn't talked about the series recently, it is like Thailand, no one really know if it was going to have a third season. Maybe would should revert it and see if there is any discussion on the Dutch show. — <span style="background-image:linear-gradient(90deg,#8A4FBF,#9B6DC6,#B691D2,#CBAED7);color:black;padding:2.5px">JuanGLP ( talk ) 02:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Another Believer, I guess we should leave it like that since it's been well over two years. And I heard the host retired drag. You can archive this. Thanks! — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 07:08, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Least problematic...
Among the least problematic queen in terms of gender usage in the article is Bianca del Rio. As far as I can tell, for that article, "he" when not referring to work in drag, "she" for work in drag and respectively "Haylock" and "Bianca del Rio". (Is del Rio treated as a last name?) Naraht (talk) 14:41, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Page for Imaa Queen
One of the competitors on Drag Race Sweden has a page on the Swedish Wikipedia. sv:Imaa Queen. Looks like they *may* be notable looking at the google translate, but I'd appreciate other opinions.Naraht (talk) 14:07, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * It does look notable, though it does need more citations on birth date and place. If you think it's notable, be bold, go ahead and create it! — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 15:41, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft Created. Draft:Imaa Queen Birth date referencex from the queen's facebook page. Still needs work, would appreciate help.Naraht (talk) 22:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The draft is now live: Imaa Queen --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft is now in the mainspace. — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 17:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month: Aura Eternal
Aura Eternal is the Collaboration of the Month for March.

Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Jonbers Blonde
New stub: Jonbers Blonde.

Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Pixie Polite
New stub: Pixie Polite

Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Black Peppa
New stub: Black Peppa --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:26, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Jax
New article: Jax (drag queen) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Imaa Queen
Imaa Queen moved from Draft space to mainspace. Could still use some work, I think.Naraht (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Drag Race España (season 3)
Expanded page: Drag Race España (season 3) — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 20:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:56, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Infobox television
It seems like Wikipedia (the people who were in charge of the infoboxes for TV), removed the "followed_by", "preceded_by", and "distributor". What do we do? — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 01:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Nothing! There's consensus to remove these fields per Template_talk:Infobox_television. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Okie dokie! — JuanGLP (talk + contribs) 02:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Endigo


An editor, has created a actual page for Endigo the queen from Japan on DR Sweden. changed it back to a Redirect. The article created wasn't horrible, I just think it could use a bit more tweeking before coming to the main stage. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Endigo&oldid=1146029771 for the article as it was before Another Believer changed it back. At minimum, the youtube references for the voice work don't seem to show what they reference is for.Naraht (talk) 13:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)


 * For the record, I was not the editor who restored the redirect (User:Onel5969 did). I was trying to help expand the entry. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , my apologies, I misread the comment in the history as being the user who did so. Onel5969 was restoring to the redirect you originally created when the page for DR Sweden was being created. I'd *really* like to see this moved to draftspace an improved there. I *think* Endigo reaches notability (Japan Times is definitely a significant source), but the video game voiceovers need *much* better sourcing as does the music.Naraht (talk) 15:41, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Naraht No worries! Sometimes I wish Onel5969 would allow a bit more time for new articles to be improved, but that's up to them. Feel free to restore the article if you can add more quality sources. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

See draft at Draft:Endigo --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Moved to main space: Endigo --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Luquisha Lubamba
Might get redirected, but I've created a stub for Luquisha Lubamba. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

"Wigloose: The Rusical!"
I've started an entry for "Wigloose: The Rusical!".

Improvements welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:02, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Terminology...
Bringing a wikipedia article from Draftspace to mainspace should be referred to "Bringing to the Main Stage". (And surviving an AFD should be a "Shantay you stay". :)Naraht (talk) 18:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hah! Then we must also call rejected drafts "boogers" ! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)