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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Ancestral sin vs Original Sin
There is currently a proposal to merge the former article into the latter that may be of interest to editors on this project. That discussion may be found here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:15, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete lists of archbishops in Georgia (country)
Would anyone be willing to have a look at the lists within Category:Incomplete lists of Eastern Orthodox Christians to see if they can be expanded or - otherwise - should go for AfD? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If the category is going to be deleted (which is quite likely) you can still find these poor-quality articles in Category:Georgian Orthodox Church. The names of the articles all start with 'Archbishops of'. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Category discussions
Yesterday, 9 category discussions have started here that are related to Eastern Orthodoxy. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 3 more category discussions related to Eastern Orthodoxy on 22 February, one more on 24 February. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 4 more category discussions related to Eastern Orthodoxy on 27 February. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * New category discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merger...
When checking out WP:Dusty Articles, I came across the following (the dates are when they were last edited);
 * 2008-08-17 08:55:48 — Archbishop of Bolnisi
 * 2008-08-17 08:56:05 — Archbishop of Chiatura
 * 2008-08-17 08:56:14 — Archbishop of Nikortsminda
 * 2008-08-17 08:56:23 — Archbishop of Nikozi
 * 2008-08-17 08:56:32 — Archbishop of Shemokmedi
 * 2008-08-17 08:56:40 — Archbishop of Tsilkani

All of these articles are basically of the same form:
 * "List of Orthodox Archbishops of Xxxxx of the Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church:
 * xxxxx (present)
 * This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
 * This Eastern Orthodox Christianity-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."
 * This Eastern Orthodox Christianity-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it."

Unless someone is able to expand them to include lists of names other than the present one (assuming they are still current), I suggest merging them into a joint article: List of Orthodox Archibishops of the Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church, with the current articles being redirects to that article (plus any other "Archbishop of xxx" articles).

What do you think? I can't remember how to formally nominate several pages to be redirected/merged into a single article, otherwise I would do that formal discussion process... but I feel that it would be best to get a feeling of support/opposition first, from the group who have a vested interest! Regards, Phantom Steve /talk &#124;contribs \ 14:13, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Archiving
Are there any objections to setting up ClueBot III so maybe we can start auto-archiving some of the older discussions on here? We have talk page threads that are six years old. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Which St. Basil?
In the image at right, I'm trying to identify which St. Basil this is. The stylized Cyrillic script is a bit tricky, and I believe the text is actually Romanian. Of course, I would usually guess a "St. Basil" to be Basil the Great, but I read the text as equivalent to something like "Antichion", and I don't know how that would connect to Basil the Great - Jmabel &#124; Talk 04:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * This is no St. Basil at all, if you ask me. I'd say it's Saint Pantaleon and I'm pretty sure about it. See the file's talk page for a detailed reasoning. --chris &#35542; 21:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Consensus at Talk:Primacy of the Bishop of Rome
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Primacy of the Bishop of Rome. Thanks. BoBoMisiu (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Antiochian Greeks listed at Requested moves
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Russian Orthodox Church
Some eyes would be appreciated at Russian Orthodox Church. There is a disagreement that needs attention and input. Evensteven (talk) 06:23, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Nicolae Ivan (bishop) listed at Requested moves
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Template_talk:S-rel

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St. Vitus Day listed at Requested moves
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Western pre-schism saints?
The above-listed articles are under dispute, regarding whether these people are venerated by the Eastern Orthodox Church (and, I should add, the Oriental Orthodox, and the Assyrian Churches). I cannot find evidence that they are, however, there seems to me no reason to exclude them since they are pre-schism. What is the position of the Eastern Orthodox Church on veneration, and are there reliable secondary sources or perhaps someone has a copy of a Synaxarion we can cite. Thank you! Elizium23 (talk) 19:02, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Studenica monastery listed at Requested moves
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St. Neophytos of Nicaea
Hello, stemming from the discovery of the Byzantine basilica at Lake Iznik, I created this page just yesterday. On second thought, I notice that some of the sources quote Neophytos as "Saint" (Hürriyet) while others quote it as "Holy Martyr" (the one of the OCA) and the third one quotes it as being both: Saint Neophytus (webpage title) and Holy Martyr (in the text).

I am not sure now if he is a Saint, a Martyr or even both?

Maybe someone here could review it. Best. MOUNTOLIVE  fedeli alla linea 14:18, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Christian mysticism RM needs more voices
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Divine Liturgies RM
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RfC: Proper Way to Refer to the Catholic and Orthodox Churches
There is currently an RfC concerning the proper way to refer to the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. Interested editors can find the discussion here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:46, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Category:Orthodox Christian pilgrimage sites has been nominated for discussion
Category:Orthodox Christian pilgrimage sites has been nominated for possible renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:04, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Deletion Discussion: Category:Persecution by atheists
There is currently a discussion at WP:CFD that may be related to the topic of this wiki project. Interested editors are invited to join the discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:28, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Metropolitan and patriarch redirects and dab pages
I came across the dab page for Patriarch Ignatius I while doing NPP and have also come across several recent creations of. These seem mainly to be disambiguation pages or redirects of Patriarch/Metropolitan FIRSTNAME. While I am sure this is in good faith, I think the mass creation of these would probably need a consensus here. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Questionable Section Added to Russian Orthodox Church
A new section has been added to the article on the Russian Orthodox Church cataloguing a long list of atrocities allegedly committed either by the ROC or with its blessing. Unfortunately all of the sources are in Russian. Someone with a decent command of the language may want to vet the new section and carefully check out those sources. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

New template
I have created a new template, Template:Episcopal lineage. It is used to display the lineage leading up to a bishop (including archbishops, cardinals, popes, patriarchs, etc.). It is configured to be used for Catholic, Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and other Christian denominations that maintain a historical episcopate. An example of its use can be found on the template page or in the Pope Francis article.  Ergo Sum  04:27, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Merge templates proposal
With the new Template:Episcopal lineage created, I propose merging Template:Ordination with the other. I think the aesthetics of episcopal lineage are preferable and recommend creating a new collapsible section within that template to include the information contained within ordination. Thoughts? The merger discussion is located at Template talk:Ordination.  Ergo Sum  17:48, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Meteora listed at Requested moves
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Articles for deletion/The Body and Blood of Christ
There is a discussion taking place at the above location that members of this Wikiproject might be interested in. All are invited to participate. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:38, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

New discussions on Catholicism (term)
Several new discussions and proposals were initiated recently on the page Talk:Catholicism (term). Unfortunately, there was no notification here. More participation would be welcomed. Sorabino (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Great Apostasy
Hi. I'd like members to have a look at and the accompanying discussion at Talk:Great Apostasy. It seems to me that they alter the in a POV way, giving undue weight to fringe Protestant views of the Catholic Church such as idol-worship, worship of Mary, and the hybrid "pagan Mother-Son worship". And not only that, but these fringe views are copied to the, totally skewing it. The citations are a collection of far-out Christian websites: http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_sun-worship, https://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/how-the-sabbath-was-changed, https://www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-Mary.html, http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/catholic_church_idolatry.html, https://bible.org/question/it-okay-worship-statues-jesus, and a self-published 1914 pamphlet, The Practice of Idolatry, none of which come anywhere near satisfying WP:RS. Any input into the discussion is welcome. I'm copying this to other Christian WikiProjects. Scolaire (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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Proposal to add some religious events to ITNR
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Disruptive editing
Note for everyone interested in articles on Christianity and Eastern Orthodoxy: take a look at recent disruptive edits and reverts by some editors on several pages like Persecution of Christians and Anti-Orthodoxy. These things are obviously coordinated and highly problematic. Sorabino (talk) 14:36, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Anti-Orthodoxy that affects several topics on Eastern Orthodoxy. Interested users are welcome to participate in the discussion. Thank you. Sorabino (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Greek Orthodox Ochrid Archbishopric listed at Redirects for discussion
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Христос воскрес!
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John of Kronstadt
There is currently a content dispute at John of Kronstadt. Interested editors are encouraged to assist in finding WP:CONSENSUS and resolving the disagreement. See this ANI thread for background. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Ukrainian Autocephaly and Possible Schism- extra eyes needed
It looks like the Ecumenical Patriarch is planning to issue a tomos of autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (which one?). Moscow is already making it clear they are not going to take this lying down. We should be keeping an eye on the relevant articles. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:50, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ukrainian Orthodox Church (which one?) - As I understand it, he gives autocephaly to Ukraine, not just one concrete structure. The Church of the Kyiv Patriarchate will become canonically recognized and autocephalous. The parishes of the Moscow Patriarchate can join it, otherwise they will become the exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine. The old Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church supports this and is ready to enter the new autocephalous Ukrainian Orthodox Church. What's wrong?--Nicoljaus (talk) 12:39, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * , this is still just speculation. HAH Bartholomew has named two exarchs for Ukraine and his relationship with the canonical church or either uncanonical jurisdiction is still unclear. UOC-MP is obviously protesting the decision with support from other churches, with special revolt from the MP. The KP is commemorating the decision. I haven't come across any news related to the UAOC's actions over the last few months, but it was involved with the EP just like the KP was in the first parts of this whole ordeal. Leefeniaures audiendi audiat 18:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC)


 * This is no longer speculation. The EP has granted formal recognition to the two schismatic churches and claims to have rescinded jurisdiction over Ukraine from the Russian Church. Formal schism is now all but certain. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:16, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Extra eyes requested on Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate and its attendant talk page please. Thanks... -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Schism
The Russian Orthodox Church has severed communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate. This is a major schism and may justify its own standalone article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I've created an article at Schism of 2018; please feel free to move if there's clearly a better name, but do not move war. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 03:26, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

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Extra Eyes Needed at Moscow–Constantinople schism (2018)
There has been some contentious, and possibly POV editing. Thanks... -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:00, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Women in Red November 2018
In November 2018, Women in Red is focusing on Religion.--Ipigott (talk) 12:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Autocephalous Greek International Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of America, Canada and Philippines
Can anybody say - what is this? - Autocephalous Greek International Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of America, Canada and Philippines. And what can we do with this?--Nicoljaus (talk) 07:38, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * It is Sockpuppet investigations/Stmarksmissionary/Archive.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  21:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Nicoljaus (talk) 06:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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Orthodox Church of Ukraine listed at Requested moves
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Discussion at Eastern Orthodox Church
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Does the Latvian Orthodox Autonomous Church exist?
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An article about a Latvian Orthodox Autonomous Church was created on 17 January. I have serious doubts (A) that this organization exists and (B) that it is worth an article on Wikipedia. You are invited to join the discussion: Talk:Latvian Orthodox Autonomous Church Place Clichy (talk) 16:12, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

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Church (congregation) listed at Requested moves
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Requested move 5 April 2019

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) samee  converse  20:32, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy → WikiProject Eastern Orthodox Church – How about per WP:CONSISTENCY with Eastern Orthodox Church? PPEMES (talk) 22:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think we ought to get the members' opinions before moving. --Comment by Selfie City  (talk about my contributions ) 01:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No objection. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)


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 * With this move I think we also need to rename Category:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy articles, and update WikiProject Christianity accordingly. Otherwise the page assessments are broken, e.g. see versus . I see there's also WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy, so you'd probably want to do the same to those pages/categories. Maybe it's easier to just revert the move? &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  02:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Couldn't it be speedy moved? PPEMES (talk) 08:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be moved speedily. samee  converse  08:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Would one of you mind chaperoning this effort? It looks like WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy and WikiProject Christianity need updating, then you probably need only to move the category page itself (since all the members are populated via the templates). If done correctly, this list should contain all assessments, and there should be none under the old title. I've no opinion on whether WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy should be renamed too, just pointing out the inconsistency. Thanks! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This may be a tedious task. A lot of things (including main category WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy) require renaming. A second move request to revert would be easiest. samee  converse  23:57, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I think this was a major change that occurred with very little input. It also left a lot of loose ends and it isn't clear who is tasked with fixing them. You could also make the same argument for moving Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism to WikiProject Catholic Church, but only this WikiProject and Oriental Orthodoxy were discussed. I think a broader move discussion should take place to establish a naming convention for all Christianity-related WikiProjects. Until then, the move should probably be reverted. Grk1011 (talk) 02:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. would you mind reverting the move for the time being? I realize documentation for renaming WikiProjects is lacking. I will try to write up something at WikiProject Council/Guide. To be clear, I have no opinion on what the name of this WikiProject should be; I just want to ensure assessment data is accurate. Currently assessments are broken due to the incomplete move, so it'd be great if we could either fix it or revert. Much appreciated, &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  15:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have added some documentation on renames at WikiProject Council/Guide. I think this covers all the requisite steps, but please edit accordingly if I've got something wrong. Kind regards, &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * could you please revert this move? Grk1011 (talk) 13:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * apologies for a very delayed reponse. Please carry out edits yourself (my consent is unneeded). I see the category has also been renamed . samee  converse  08:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The move consists of dozens (if not 100s of pages). Did you use a bot or something to move those initially? Would you mind reverting your edits instead? Honestly, we are a small project and it's quite a lot of work to fix something that most didn't ask for. Grk1011 (talk) 20:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have undone the move. Main category still requires renaming. samee  converse  08:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:Eastern Orthodox Church
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Helena (empress) listed at Requested moves
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Is the word 'Dean' has ever used in the Eastern Orthodox Church (either from Canonical or Non-canonical)?
I have undoing a edit war by the same user, who is suggesting to delete this page right now, who keeps reinstated and claimed the word Dean is been used to described this local ('semi-canonical') Orthodox Church in Indonesia. But, the question is the word 'Dean' is unironically been used predominantly by the Catholic, Anglican/Episcopal, and sometimes Lutheran Churches, but not all by mainstream Christian denominations, including the Eastern Orthodox Church has seemly never using the word Dean. As I can't find any reference of being used by all Canonical or Non-Canonical Orthodox Churches. But according to this user Leefeni de Karik a self-proclaimed Portuguese Orthodox follower, who keeps claiming the word 'Dean' is being used by the Semi-Orthodox Autonomous Church, Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia to described this Church as? Chad The Goatman (talk) 15:04, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Terminology in Western languages when talking about Eastern Orthodoxy tends to be inconsistent. For instance, archpriest, protopresbyter, protopriest, protopope, protoiereus are all used to refer to the same rank. When using dean, I am quoting the first paragraph of the major source of the article, so you should have looked further. Arguably, another more usual term should be used rather than "dean", but as long as this is the only title being displayed and no source makes it clear that it's a synonym for another title, changing it for something more commonplace, like vicar, is simply original research, therefore a violation of Wikipedia's foundations. Changing it for "deaconry", on the other hand, is just absolutely wrong, since deacons are a whole other rank, even inferior to archimandrite (which is Fr. Daniel's title). These confusions being made is one of the reasons Wikipedia doesn't allow original research...

Assuming good faith, I will not re-enter the word "dean" right now (although you kept "deanery" in the article for some reason), but claiming the church to be simply "recognised" by ROCOR is just wrong, since it implies communion rather than canonical submission. It is part of ROCOR. Therefore, I'm changing your edit "Deaconry recognized by Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia" to "Jurisdiction under the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia". Leefeniaures audiendi audiat 18:54, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

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New version of the map of the canonical jurisdictions
Goran tek has graciously offered to make a new version of. Here is the final result. Please provide some feedback on this talk page if you have any! If you want to see the creation process and the rationale behind some decisions, you can see those here. Veverve (talk) 19:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Separate article?
I recently started a draft at Draft:Intercession Cathedral at the Rogozhsky Cemetery, but then I realized that there was already a good deal of information on the church at Rogozhskoye Cemetery. Should I continue on with writing the draft or should the draft be deleted? Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 03:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I would make a separate article. Veverve (talk) 20:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! Христ ис борн!


-Ad Orientem (talk) 02:06, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Infobox merge proposal
There is a suggestion to merge the templates for the "clergy" and "Christian leader" infoboxes. To know more or take part, go to Templates_for_discussion/Log/2020_March_19. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 00:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

RfC on Religion in Albania
An RfC at Religion in Albania may be of interest to project participants. Khirurg (talk) 17:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Please, join discusion
Please, we need some input on the matter related to this project here: Template_talk:Ecumenical_councils.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  08:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

RfC on ecclesiastical titles
There is a proposal for a new subsection on ecclesiastical titles being conducted at MOS:BIO. Interested editors are encouraged to participate. --Slugger O&#39;Toole (talk) 02:07, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Our Lady of Medjugorje
Please help by joining the discussion at Talk:Our Lady of Medjugorje. --Governor Sheng (talk) 16:41, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox Christian leader
Please join the discussion. We're discussing the colour of the template and we need to have a colour for the Eastern bishops. Thank you. --Governor Sheng (talk) 12:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposed move at "Icon"
Please comment there. Johnbod (talk) 01:13, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Important questions concerning the Georgian Orthodox Church which should be answered
Hello. I have raised what I think are important questions concerning the GOC at its article talk page: what is its juridictional origin, and when did it become autocephalous? Please come comment there, as I am unable to find anything which would explain the disrepancies I have found in the answers to those two questions, and believe those questions should be answered. Veverve (talk) 21:43, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Eastern Orthodox Church articles needing expert attention has been nominated for discussion
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Popular Pages report working again
This WikiProject was apparently recently renamed. I have fixed the popular pages bot configuration to point to the new name, and you should now see monthly reports at WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy/Popular pages. Best, &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

AfD for Holy Orthodox Metropolis of Australia & Oceania
Hello! I have AfDed for lack of notability Holy Orthodox Metropolis of Australia & Oceania at Articles for deletion/Holy Orthodox Metropolis of Australia & Oceania. Feel free to come and give your opinion! Veverve (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Input needed at Talk:List of patriarchs of the East
There is a move request currently under discussion which needs input from experienced editors who may have some knowledge regarding the Church of the East. The discussion can be found here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:54, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Syro-Malabar Church - when current hierarchy was established
There is a request for comment at that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 15:43, 20 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I asked a friend whose thesis covered this topic and here's what he replied: "In 1653, a Chaldean bishop was sent by the Vatican to allow people in India to maintain the East Syrian Rite, but the Portuguese Latin Papists killed him. A second attempt was made in 1874 which lasted until 1882. In 1887, the Latin Archdiocese of Goa allowed a Vicariate within its own jurisdiction for those of the East Syriac tradition. 1896 is when they were formally granted sui juris status as the Syro-Malabar. 1923 isn’t mentioned in my paper but it looks like what happened is the permission was granted in 1896 and it took until 1923 to fully establish its own particular hierarchy like allowing certain Latin dioceses to switch to being Syro-Malabar/East Syriac, and things like that." Xenophore ; talk 22:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Happy Easter
Christ is risen! -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:30, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Request for comment at Shroud of Turin
There is a new RfC open at Talk:Shroud of Turin which is relevant to this project. Instaurare (talk) 06:40, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
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 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

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This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

FAR notice
I have nominated Maximus the Confessor for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Survey on Seraphim Rose page
Editors of this WikiProject are encouraged to provide their input on a consensus-gathering survey at Talk:Seraphim_Rose. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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AfD discussion for article The OC wall calendar
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Requesting some article expansion help
Greetings,

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Requesting your visit to following drafts and help expand the same if any of these interests you.


 * Draft:Intellectual discourse over re-mosqueing of Hagia Sophia


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Inexistance of Hell POV pushing
Hello all, just a quick notice that there has been a heavy POV push in several articles regarding universal resurrection (inexistance of Hell). It was a fringe view held by maybe 4 or 5 Church Fathers (out of hundreds) but is depicted as the belief of the "majority of Early Church". See: Apocatastasis, Christian universalism, Origen, Gregory of Nyssa, and related articles. In fact the Apocatastasis article must be re-written almost in whole, I have left some comments on its talk page. Please take a look. --El Huinca (talk) 22:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Merge discussion Orthodox Anglican Church ––> Orthodox Anglican Communion
There is a merge discussion open at Talk:Orthodox Anglican Communion for merging these two related entities. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Donor portrait
Not a word about Orthodoxy here. While ktetor does exist, I do think an article specifically about portraits of church founders should also mention the Orthodox aspect. — Biruitorul Talk 13:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

==Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece/Byzantine world task force § Modern places listed in infoboxes?== You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece/Byzantine world task force § Modern places listed in infoboxes?. Elizium23 (talk) 20:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Assistance needed for Draft:Joint Commission Of The Theological Dialogue Between The Orthodox Church And The Oriental Orthodox Churches
I need some help expanding the Unofficial Meetings and Official Dialogues section of this draft page.

Also, I'm certain the references for the four official dialogues have a primary source, however I can only seem to find secondary sources online. Perhaps the originals are offline and/or in Greek? Contagious Owl (talk) 01:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Joanik Basilovich
Hello, WikiProject,

I delayed the deletion of this stale draft because I thought someone might be interested in taking it on as a project. I believe it is translated from the Russian Wikipedia and, right now, it is unsourced. Any way, it has six more months of life in case any editor would like to give it some attention. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 22:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (clergy) § Names of Eastern Orthodox bishops Suggestion
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (clergy) § Names of Eastern Orthodox bishops Suggestion. Elizium23 (talk) 06:01, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Use of parentheses versus "natural language" in differentiating eparchies and dioceses by denomination
A discussion here may interest the Project. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Zograf Monastery
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Zograf Monastery that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

₭?
I noticed the ₭ at the top of Karakallou Monastery, Xeropotamou Monastery, and other members of the Monastic community of Mount Athos. I’m not sure what is causing it. Thriley (talk) 03:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Adding a parameter for "deacons" to Infobox diocese
There is a discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_diocese regarding whether to add a deacons parameter to infobox diocese. Interested editors are invited and encouraged to share their views in that discussion. &mdash; Archer1234  (t·c) 17:30, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

possible hoax at List of Ecumenical Patriarchs of Constantinople
I think this discussion is of interest to members of this project, Talk:List of ecumenical patriarchs of Constantinople. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 01:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)