Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education in India/Archive 2

New discussions
I've left a few basic notes regarding improvement of articles at the following places. Members are requested to comment and help improve these articles:
 * Talk:Education in India: Top-level article for our project. Top priority! (I hope we can find the level of co-operation we found while working on List of universities in India for pushing this to FA)
 * Template_talk:Education_in_India: High priority. This should ideally be the top-level template for our project.
 * Then I've left some comments at Talk:List of universities in India, Talk:List of autonomous higher education institutes in India and Talk:List of deemed universities for moving forward after the List of universities in India split.

Feel free to comment here or on the respective talk pages. Regards--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 22:12, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Portal
I found a languishing Portal:Indian Education which was made back in 2009 and has been the same since. Incidentally, it has been listed at the project page for over 6 months and we haven't had a single improvement in it in this time. Any help in improving it is welcome. Please provide ideas, comments, suggestions at Portal talk:Indian Education.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 19:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

B-school rankings
Opinions about what B-school rankings to add to Infobox India university ranking are appreciated in this page. Also, if anyone can supply the full top 50/100 list of CNBC-TV18's book. --Muhandes (talk) 15:59, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems like getting input is rather difficult, is this project alive at all? Input about ET is still required, I see it mentioned above, but its validity is unclear. Regarding CNBC-TV18, they published the 2012 edition online which makes the above request irrelevant. --Muhandes (talk) 10:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The B school rankings arena is not mature and reliable in India. I have heard of B schools that bribe publishers. Lets include only those which have high reliability and participation. Some rankings that I think are reliable:
 * *Career Launcher Rankings
 * *T.I.M.E Institute Rankings
 * *Pagalguy Rankings (This is a ranking based on aspirants' perceptions)
 * Comments Welcome -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 12:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm happy at least someone pays attention to this page, thanks for the input. I presume you mean to add these to the obvious ones already used by the template, to which I believe there is consensus to use. If you want to discuss removing those, lets start a separate discussion.
 * Regarding the ones you suggested, I'll start by strongly opposing Pagalguy on the grounds that it is based singularly on aspirants' perceptions, and I simply don't see how this can be the single parameter for a ranking. Does what the industry or the academic world think mean nothing? Do actual placements or academic excellence stand for nothing? Just as an example, aspirants' perceptions are 10% of the Hindustan Times rankings, and about 15% in the Business Today one. As a matter of fact, I would go as far as to support a complete project ban on using this ranking.
 * Moving to the other two, I'm rather against them, though not as strongly. First, technically, they both don't seem to be rankings, more like categorizations. I don't think it is wise to mix rankings with categorizations. Second, I'm not convinced of their notability. If you look at Career Launcher's home page you'll see their business (on the banner) is "Online CAT Preparation CAT Online MBA Coaching, CAT Preparation, IIM-CAT, MBA Entrance, CAT IIM, CAT Papers, CAT Coaching", not a very reassuring sight. T.I.M.E. is also quite the same, with "Best Coaching for Online CAT-2012, IIM MBA entrance, IIT-JEE, GRE & GMAT". I don't see any of the other signs of notability either. For sure, I'm not local, so maybe I'm wrong and they are notable institutes. Third, their methodology isn't very clear. Compare the cryptic description they supply with this.
 * Perhaps we should have started the discussion by setting some ground rules for what to include, and then checking which rankings fit. I'd go with something like these:
 * Notable source. The ranking must be by a source which has notability demonstrated by having an article. This would exclude quite a few, but they can be included if an article is created on the institute or the ranking.
 * Full ranking. The ranking must list all institutes in one list and give a numerical positions for each institute . Having one list excludes Career360 which only has lists by regions. Having numerical positions excludes T.I.M.E. and CL.
 * Methodology disclosed, and includes multiple parameters. This excludes rankings which only go by internet visibility, or aspirant perception, but maybe also ET which does not list the methodology.
 * This is of course just a proposal. What do people thing of these? --Muhandes (talk) 16:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree with your comments. These three rankings came to my mind because all these three are extremely popular among aspirants as well as B school students. TIME and Career launcher are the top 2 institutes for MBA coaching in India and Pagalguy is India's top online MBA forum. (I am not promoting these institutes, just stating the facts). These rankings are not notable, but in my opinion these are much more reliable than ET and career360. I don't have any evidence to defend their notability to the general public, but these are highly notable among students.

Options available to us:

Pagalguy- one possible option is explicitly stating in the info box that it is aspirants' perception. If it is not possible, we can leave out this.

TIME and CL - I am not sure if there would be any problems if we convert the categorization into rankings. For example, in Career Launcher, all the institutes in the cluster 1 can be ranked as 1-6 and all the institutions in the cluster 2 can be ranked as 7-19. I found this featured article Georgetown University having categorized ranking.

I cant see anything wrong with the criteria proposed, but there are no reliable ranking publishers in India meeting the criteria other than those already in the template. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 17:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I see I am very late into this discussion. To Muhandes' first comment a month ago, I don't think there are many reliable rankings around. TIME and CL are definitely not reliable, though, yes, as Anbu121 says, they are quite popular.  Lynch 7  17:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You are not late, the discussion started today.
 * It's always better to get the local perspective, I had no idea these websites are popular (which of course may say little about notability or reliability). I think we agree non-notable rankings should not be used. I agree we could have found a solution to the categorization problem, so I stroke it out of the criteria I proposed. This leaves The Economic Times as the only possible notable addition, but the methodology is unclear. So unless we have objections, at this point we don't add anything to the template, and we'll use the above guidelines to decide in the future. --Muhandes (talk) 18:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Some more possibilities

 * Mint Mint - CoolAvenues.com B-School Annual Placements Survey 2011 – Does not include multiple parameters, only placement, so fails criteria 3.
 * Business Standard  How we did it – does anyone have access to the actual rankings? Maybe a scanned page? It seems promising.
 * Businessworld maybe here – link does not work for me right now so I can't say.

Comments? --Muhandes (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I think Mint must not be included in the rankings box, but I think we should not prevent it from being mentioned in the prose. I am not able to access the other two. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 11:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please explain why? While I did begin this as criteria for the infobox, of the three criteria I think #1 and #3 apply just as well for prose. We don't want to list rankings which are not notable (#1) and that are not reliable (#3). I'm saying if the methodology is not fully disclosed, or if it is based on a single parameter, it is not reliable, at least in comparison with the other rankings. #2 is a technical issue, so it might not apply to prose. --Muhandes (talk) 21:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I will address #3 first. A disclosed methodology gives us some confidence that the rankings might be reliable. Even if the methodology is disclosed, it is impossible to verify that the rankings have indeed been given in a fair and unbiased manner, which is beyond the ambit of Wikipedia. In the prose, We are just going to mention that xyz newspaper in its placement survey 2011, ranked abc institute in # position based on placement statistics. This statement is very much valid as per the core policies of Wikipedia as long as proper reference is provided and the reference is a reliable secondary source. Coming to #1, I agree that this applies to prose as well and Mint being a newspaper is notable. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 04:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, being valid per core policies is a requirement. But the entire point of have specific guidelines is that we decide what of the many reliable sources should be added to articles. We have the prerogative to decide that a ranking, though listed by a reliable source, will not be listed since it is unreliable. This is especially true since rankings are by nature comparative (the institute was ranked #1 here but #25 there). We can therefore require that they have some basic starting point. reliability seems to me to be like a good starting point. --Muhandes (talk) 13:37, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not inclined to think that just because a ranking discloses the methodology, it becomes more reliable than another ranking that has not. By the way, I think Mint has disclosed the methodology to some extent. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 21:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course it is not a proof of reliability, but as we do not have access to the data, the best we can do is set a threshold. The threshold I proposed is "methodology disclosed, and includes multiple parameters", which seems to me to be a very minimal and acceptable requirement. --Muhandes (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Schools Notability
List of schools in India needs to be overhauled, but I think a system like List of universities in India would suit it better than List of institutions of higher education in India, since if we follow the latter, there are going to be many articles made out of this one. But, the problem then would be maintaining Notability in all of them; however, if the former is followed, notability guidelines will be easier to follow, inclusion criteria easier to decide.

Since all schools aren't notable, I propose the following inclusion criteria: --Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 10:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) The school must offer classes till 12th(relaxable to 10th if criteria 2 is met)
 * 2) We list only those with third-party verifiable sources
 * We might want to build upon this failed proposal.  Lynch 7  12:26, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The second criteria listed is usually the main reason why articles about secondary schools get deleted. The failed proposal listed has an additional criteria - that the curriculum of the school should get independently covered - and that would put us in a soup. In India a school's curriculum is dictated by CBSE or ICSE and no school makes any noteworthy exception to that. In summary, give it a try if you want to but as I said, meeting even the second criteria is usually tough for most schools.Wikishagnik (talk) 20:47, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think having a separate criteria for schools and other educational institutions in India is a good idea as this may be looked upon as a backdoor to protect Indian schools from the notability guidelines. Given that, I do agree that we should keep all educational institutes exempt from being speedy deleted under WP:CSD. —  Nearly Headless Nick   {C}  09:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note:To put my original comments in perspective, the inclusion criteria I proposed was not a wikipedia or project-wide criteria for articles. It was a proposed inclusion criteria for List of schools in India originally posted at its talkpage. The comments were copy-pasted here later as a means to spur discussion about that list, not about notability criteria for school articles.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 23:55, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

List of National Institutes in India?
Can anyone explain this? Is there such an entity? --Muhandes (talk) 20:51, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the editor removed the template I added asking for sources to the existence of this group, I had no choice but to go AfD. You are all welcome to join the discussion. --Muhandes (talk) 10:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you added this text in the talk page of that article there was no need of this ruffle. I'm seeing this now only. Anyway since none responded to this query here I will put the same in WikiProject India. Hope more people, with an understanding of India get involved in the discussion. Aravind V R (talk) 04:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ruffle? I'm not sure why you think there is a ruffle, except maybe on your side. WT:IN may be a place to get more input, since the relevant institutes seem to be research institutes, not just education. Having no definition or criteria, I could not figure out where it belongs, so here is the place I looked first. --Muhandes (talk) 05:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Let us stop accusing each other. But I certainly think the talk page of an article is the first place where one should raise concerns regarding that article.
 * Yes this is the place where the discussion should have took place but since none responded I think it is better to discuss it in Noticeboard for India-related topics Aravind V R (talk) 05:31, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Tamil Nadu National Law School
What do you think of this? an article about a law school which does not even exist yet? Should we have them? --Muhandes (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Kuvempu University
Please correct some information and add information with relevant sources. I'm waiting for your reply.--( talk→  Kkm010   ←track )  04:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Notable alumni
In some Indian school college related articles we face regular problems that people include non-notable, unsourced entries. I have to fight regularly to clean up "notable people" lists. I requested an RFC here: Talk:Ballygunge_Government_High_School. But, I am interested to use this RFC for all similar disputes (that means in many articles). Can you suggest me how shall I use it? Shall I move a copy of it to somewhere else (eg. talk/RFC)? In addition can you add your opinion in talk please? -- Tito Dutta  ✉  15:49, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Bangalore Medical College and Research Institute
Hey..Im new to editing and have taken up Bangalore Medical College and Research Institute ,my alma mater, as my first project..Initially a very disorganised article i have tried to give it some structure and depth. It would be great if some of the other editors from this project could contribute and enhance the article. Thanks! User:Nishantgopal (talk) NishantGopal 07:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Nalanda University
There's duplicated content between Nalanda and Nalanda University; both describe the ancient university, while the former also describes the settlement and the latter also describes the modern university. The historical information about the old university should be removed from one of these articles, or perhaps the information should be split from them both to create a new article on the old university. --BDD (talk) 17:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

State higher educational institutions list names
Hello.

User:Intelligentguy89 recently moved List of institutions of higher education in Maharashtra to List of higher education institutions in Maharashtra. The reason given in the move log is New title is more concise and unambiguous (earlier title could be interpreted as List of institutions of "higher education in Maharashtra").

I'm starting this discussion so that a consensus on the naming scheme may be obtained. The previous naming scheme List of institutions of higher education in statename was arrived at after discussion in above, and per WP:INEI/HELIST, it is the format being followed for the current (30) lists.

I personally agree that the new title is more concise, but I think we should arrive at a consensus about this before moving the lists.

Pinging everyone involved in the earlier discussion:

Best regards--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 07:53, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

PS:We also have List of institutions of higher education in India.--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 08:04, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, I do not agree on the ambiguous part. I may be wrong but I think first way is older British way and the later is newer American way of writing. I do agree it will be more concise to just say List of higher education institution in xyz. Grammatically both are correct so we should not move to the new format unless there is a strong reason to do so. - abhi (talk) 22:15, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I think the title "List of higher education institutions in statename" is better than "List of institutions of higher education in statename". It is definitely more concise. If other articles like this are not yet having titles in the concise format, then their titles should also be changed. --EngineeringGuy (talk) 01:25, 1 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The second options seems more apt. --Eiennotoso (talk) 20:13, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Importance tagging query
I have been participating in WikiProject India Tag & Assess 2014 drive. Many of the new pages are for educational institutions. I have been following the principles that Universities are of "high" importance, colleges are of "mid" importance, and isolated schools are of "low" importance. Am I right in these ratings? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 14:31, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Its not so simple. All universities are not high importance. many will be mid or low. Ditto with Colleges & Schools. AshLin (talk) 01:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

List of Schools in Mumbai
Have started updating the list of schools in Mumbai and have also attached the website link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schools_in_Mumbai

Have added 20 schools and will add more shortly Dsouzaronald (talk) 05:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Kendriya Vidyalaya school articles
Articles about individual Kendriya Vidyalaya schools have been nominated for deletion. The discussion is taking place at Articles for deletion/Kendriya Vidyalaya school articles. Comments would be welcome. 103.6.159.65 (talk) 10:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Removal of references
IP 202.142.107.240 has removed references from several articles about education in India. I'm not sure whether or not these are reliable sources that should be restored. Please can a subject expert review the edits? Thanks, Certes (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Move proposal
It has been proposed at Talk:Indian Institute of Technology Joint Entrance Examination that the articles on IIT-JEE and AIEEE be renamedto match their current names. Please comment there. 103.6.159.93 (talk) 09:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Bansal learning AfD
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List of educational institutions in Meerut district
Does this edit seem right?--Siddhartha Ghai (talk) 15:04, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The reasoning does not seem valid, because WP:LISTN does not require each element in a list to be notable. However, I'm not sure the notability of the list can be shown, and beside, this seems like WP:LISTCRUFT. Why do we need this list of schools where none of them is notable and none will ever be. --Muhandes (talk) 11:15, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Selection criteria for List of agricultural universities in India
I started discussion on this subject, comments very welcome. --Muhandes (talk) 17:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Handling Supreme Court/UGC decision about deemed-to-be-universities
I'm sure you are aware of the UGC demand to drop university from names of deemed universities and the fight back. There are multiple very reliable sources for this And there are even sources that say this applies to private universities as well. Per WP:CRYSTAL we cannot change the name of an institute until they change it themselves. If they choose to go against the UGC and the SC the name should remain. If an institute chooses to change their name (for example Hindustan University which is back to be "Hindustan Institute of Technology and Science" or VIT University which went for "VIT") then by all means, the article should be moved. Comments most welcome. --Muhandes (talk) 17:15, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Many more are renaming. SRM University back to SRM Institute of Science and Technology, Thapar University changed to Thapar Institute of Engineering and Technology University and then to Thapar Institute of Engineering and Technology, K L University to Koneru Lakshmaiah Education Foundation. If you are aware of more list them here and I'll be happy to sort them out. In a month or two I'll do a full tun over the list of deemed universities. --Muhandes (talk) 10:34, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Invitation to discuss changes to List of deemed universities
I made some suggestions on how to improve List of deemed universities. You are all welcome to join the discussion. --Muhandes (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Cotton University
Hi I've requested for some instructions and guidance on these page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cotton_University. So if anyone would like to solve the problem, kindly reply. I am not a experienced user here, so apology if I've missed somethingNikish21 (talk) 17:12, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ I made a formal merger proposal in your name and also supported it myself. Everyone else is also very welcome to comment on the merger proposl. --Muhandes (talk) 16:12, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Careers360 ranking
I've been very active within this WikiProject in 2012, and now having taken a long wikibreak I am back, trying to adjust to the new consensus. One think I found there is quite a number of edit wars is Careers360 ranking. Back in 2012 the consensus I remember was that it should not be used at all. So I thought I'll start discussion and check if it really changed.

Let me reiterate the consensus reached in 2012 for B-school ranking, which I propose be adopted for all ranking:

There are three requirements for including a ranking:


 * 1) Notable source. The ranking must be by a source which has notability demonstrated by having an article. (Note that this has nothing to do with the verifiability of the source, and does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity.)
 * 2) Full ranking. The ranking must list all institutes in one list and give a numerical positions for each institute.
 * 3) Methodology disclosed, and includes multiple parameters.

So this leads me to the questions:

Question 1: Should Careers360 be allowed as a source of ranking? It fails requirement #1, and looking at here I see there were several attempts to establish notability which all failed.

Question 2: Assuming the answer to Question 1 is "Yes", Should Careers360's Top Engineering Colleges in India 2017 be used? It fails requirement #2 since it does not rank, instead grouping into seven groups. Note that the "S. No." column is not ranking, per the methodology it is just a way of listing.

Question 3: Assuming the answer to Question 1 is "Yes", how should Careers360's Top Universities in India 2017, Top Medical Colleges in India 2017, Top Law Colleges in India 2017 and Top MBA Colleges in India 2017 be handled? They all have an "Overall Score" column, which translates directly to a single ranking per Requirement #2. However, they also have a "Rank" column which gives separate ranking for government and private institutes. I tried to use text like :

"It was ranked 3rd in India by Careers360 in 2017, second among government institutes."

But another editor thinks it is better to ignore the overall rank and use

"It was ranked 2nd among top government medical colleges in India in 2017 by Careers360."

I think my way is clearer and avoids all misunderstandings, but if the second option is preferable, I suggest we treat it as two rankings, "Top Government Medical Colleges in India 2017" and "Top Private Medical Colleges in India 2017" and I will edit Infobox India university ranking to reflect this.

Your comments are very welcome. --Muhandes (talk) 11:01, 7 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Ranking by MoHRD named NIRF has certain advantages like official in nature, sub rankings on individual parameters, historical data will be available due to continuity, and more and more recognition. I think reliability, awareness and fairness are key to ranking and NIRF provides that. I don't know whether Career 360 rankings provides so. Please do compare them along with other rankings available like India Today, Outlook, THE(by Time) etc JPskylight (talk) 13:05, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The use of National Institutional Ranking Framework rankings is currently undisputed, as is the use of ratings from India Today, Outlook India and The Week. To make it easy I even created Infobox India university ranking (which is of course non-mandatory, but became the de-facto standard). I was looking for input about the use of Careers360 (which may not be notable), and specifically, if we agree it can be used, then how. See the three questions I raised. --Muhandes (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Careers360 provides ranking separately for Government & Private Colleges — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajnishsharma360 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I take it you think it should be rendered as two separate rankings. But should we used it at all? It's not a notable source. --Muhandes (talk) 10:47, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Since no editor has come out with even a single argument why Careers360, which is not notable, should be used, in a few days/weeks when I'm done with updating the template, I'll start removing it. --Muhandes (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I am now removing Careers360 ranking from all articles. --Muhandes (talk) 15:41, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Careers360 is a verified resource in India. Why r u removing the ranking? I want to add careers360 ranking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Krish_CB — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krish CB (talk • contribs) 12:12, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The discussion is not about whether "Careers360 is a verified resource in India" (though I must admit I don't understand what you mean by being "a verified resource" and you might want to elaborate on it), but about its notability. This means that, per the general notability guideline, it needs to have "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Note that notability has nothing to do with the verifiability of the source (what you might have meant by being "a verified resource"), and does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity. I opened the discussion four months ago and invited multiple editors, you included, to contribute and demonstrate such notability. This is usually demonstrated by having an article in the English Wikipedia, though this is not a requirement, and we could have discussed relevant sources here. However, not a single editor have come up with anything of the sort, and more than a month ago these rankings were removed. --Muhandes (talk) 16:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Muhandes Why can i not add the ranking. Can you explain? I would request you to add my ranking also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krish CB (talk • contribs) 13:23, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I raised some concerns six months ago and no editor cared to comment, so I removed the ranking as a sort of de facto consensus. I have no problem with re-opening the discussion. Do you care to comment on the issues raised? --Muhandes (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Muhandes Yes i want. If you can raise the issue or add this ranking, I will highly be obliged.
 * Look at the top of this section. --Muhandes (talk) 12:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Muhandes i am adding ranking according to your point like "It was ranked 2nd among top government medical colleges in India in 2017 by Careers360" Please suggest... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krish CB (talk • contribs) 10:22, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This discussion is 8 months old and has gone a bit stale. I am going to reboot it. --Muhandes (talk) 08:57, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria for List of agricultural universities in India
A proposal for the change of inclusion criteria of List of agricultural universities in India was made at Talk:List of agricultural universities in India. --Muhandes (talk) 17:58, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

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Careers360 ranking 2018 discussion
The 2017 discussion about using Careers360 ranking has gone a bit stale so I rebooted the discussion. To recap, since some concerns/questions were raised and not addressed for several months, de facto consensus was assumed, namely that they should not be used. Careers360's ranking were removed from Infobox India university ranking and consequentially from all articles using them. Upon request, I now reboot the discussion. The requirement for using a ranking (according to my understanding of the consensus which were not opposed so far are:
 * Requirement #1: Notable source. The ranking must be by a source which has notability demonstrated by having an article. (Note that this has nothing to do with the verifiability of the source, and does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity.)
 * Requirement #2: Full ranking. The ranking must list all institutes in one list and give a numerical positions for each institute.
 * Requirement #3: Methodology disclosed, includes multiple parameters, and deemed reliable by the community.

The concerns raised were:
 * Concern #1: Careers360 is not a notable source. This might have changed in 2017 when an article was created. The article is in a pretty sorry state, but notability has not been disputed.
 * Concern #2: The Top Engineering Colleges in India 2017 Ranking are not a ranking but a grouping, failing the "numerical positions" part of requirement #2
 * Concern #3: All the other rankings (Top Universities in India 2017, Top Medical Colleges in India 2017, Top Law Colleges in India 2017 and Top MBA Colleges in India 2017) are not "Full rankings" per requirement #2 since they don't "list all institutes in one list and give a numerical positions for each institute", as private and public colleges are ranked separately. They all have an "Overall Score" column, which could be translated directly to a single numerical position, if this is the consensus. A second possibility is to treat it as two separate rankings and change the requirement.

Please, if you wish to take part in this discussion, don't just say "I want to use this ranking". Address the concerns raised. --Muhandes (talk) 09:18, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Muhandes" Can i use the ranking like "It was ranked 2nd among top government bschool in India 2018 by Careers360" for bschool, universities, law colleges, medical colleges. There is ranking in these articles not a grouping. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krish CB (talk • contribs) 10:42, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me quote myself: if you wish to take part in this discussion, don't just say "I want to use this ranking". Address the concerns raised. --Muhandes (talk) 19:34, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: the article Careers360 was removed, so Concern #1 is now back on the table as well. The discussion has stalled again as well, so for now I presume consensus remains unchanged. --Muhandes (talk) 16:42, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Ramaiah Institute of Management
Would someone from WP:INDIA take a look at this article and assess it for notability? It was directly added to the mainspace today, but it wasn't submitted to WP:AFC for review. If the subject is not notable for a stand-alone article, then maybe redirecting to Ramaiah Institute of Technology would be better than deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There is no special notability guideline for WP:INEI, so if autonomous higher education institutes are considered notable, so is this one, and vice-verse. After trimming off all the fluff, the only thing left in the article for notability is an AICTE listing. It is not in top 100 NIRF or any other ranking I can find. I see no other evidence (or claim) for notability. --Muhandes (talk) 16:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * My bad, it is ranked, at least by Outlook India, this is usually enough. --Muhandes (talk) 17:04, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to take a look at this and also for uploading a new infobox image. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of QS India Rankings
For the India university rankings template, we should also add a ranking for QS India too. Shubhams123 (talk) 01:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I was not aware of its existence, it seems it is the first year it is published. I support your idea, it seems to be a separate ranking which should be added. If no one objects (and I don't think anyone will), I can add it to the template when I find the time. --Muhandes (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. Thanks. Also, please do let me know when you make the change. Shubhams123 (talk) 08:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It should be working though I didn't have time to test it. Let me know if I broke anything. --Muhandes (talk) 00:53, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
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New Ranking Templates
Inclusion of a new Indian university ranking templates published by The Week and Outlook in the Template:Infobox India university ranking.'' Neurofreak (talk) 21:57, 8 June 2020 (UTC) ✅

Requested move
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Banaras Hindu University has an RFC
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User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
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