Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Egypt/Archive 3

Ahmed El Esseily
This unsourced article about an Egyptian TV personality has been nominated for deletion at Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_January_30. Can anybody on this Wikiproject shed light on the notability of this person, and if necessary provide sources that indicate his notability (reviews, awards, major credits)? Even a link to material in Arabic would be something (google translator might not be perfect, but it can capture the gist of things). Thanks, --Paularblaster (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Project banner
It is my sincerest hope that this statement is not taken as being an attempt to subvert this project, take control over it, or any similar thing. However, the Template:AfricaProject has recently had parameters put into it to allow it to provide separate assessments for all the "Africa" projects, including this one. If in the interests of reducing banner clutter the members of this project were to choose to use that banner, please let me know and I can adjust any categories accordingly to permit it. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 00:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, John, but I am against it. I am not clear how it will provide separate assessments for each WikiProject. I am not a member of WikiProject Africa and I don't intend to be. Being part of this project allows me to track articles about Egypt in order of importance without having to go through other projects, so I can choose what I want to work on. The Africa WikiProject is also far too broad, encompassing too many topics that have little to do with each other. You will notice that there is no corresponding WP Asia, but WikiProject Central Asia, WikiProject Southeast Asia, etc. which is I what I believe the Africa WP should be broken up into. Even WikiProject Europe doesn't directly cover individual countries like France or Germany which are covered by the daughter WikiProjects--the WP Europe banner is not even on their talk pages. As regards banner clutter, I would have agreed until "nesting" became an option that eliminated that problem entirely. Best to use the template you see on Talk:Germany. Cheers, — Zerida 01:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problems whatsoever. For what it's worth, though, the banner is set up in such a way so that, if one were to type "Egypt-importance=Top" in, it would place the article in the Cateory:Top-importance Egypt articles. That's the primary reason the banner is 78 kilobytes long, actually. It takes a lot of text to set it up like that for all the projects that will be using it, but such can be done, with a little effort, for any project banner. Anyway, it was just a proposal in any event. And, for what it's worth, I think I actually proposed 5 regional Africa projects myself at one point. The idea didn't fly, and that's why the one base project was ultimately created in its stead. John Carter (talk) 01:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wish your idea had flied, I'd be interested in a North Africa project. It just occurred me that it might make more sense to just eliminate the WP Africa banner instead of the country ones. One of the purposes of creating a daughter WikiProject I imagine is that the parent WP can focus on less things. This is why this project for example doesn't cover most ancient Egyptian topics. Sorry, I don't mean to shoot down the idea, but it's becoming less appealing as I think about it. — Zerida 02:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Ahmed Orabi
There is a somewhat stale discussion about the proper transliteration of Ahmed Orabi's name in English. Comments are welcome. — Zerida 05:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Eftekasat
Hi guys, what's up?! Look, if possible, could someone please recheck the importance of the article since Eftekasat are a very important aspect of Egyptian Music as they were invited to perform at the Carthage Jazz Festival in Tunis and therefore they became an international Egyptian band (probably the first). I think they deserve more than "mid"! Thanks anyway, Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 15:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Maged. The rating system is an informal process. If enough members feel that it should be rated as High, then by all means. I rated the article as Mid based on the notability of the group as compared to other Egyptian artists (whether bands or otherwise). Many Egyptians are still not familiar with this group, so I felt Mid was an appropriate assessment. Others might feel differently, but I can't be sure. — Zerida  ☥   04:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * "Mid" seems good. "Top" should be reserved for Abdelwahab, Umm Kulthum, and Roubi :)  (Just kidding about the last one.) Badagnani (talk) 04:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

So can we do a voting or something Zerida? And about Egyptians not being familiar with that group, well not many know about Redeemers but they are quite important since they are the first Symphonic Metal band in Egypt (and they are quite good too :P)! And Badagnani, with all due respect to the former two (and please dont say that last name in front of me again :D) Eftekasat are quite important since 1) They are one of the very first Jazz bands in Egypt (and i'm sure you know by now that Egypt coming up with a Jazz band is a miracle in itself!) 2) They are international. 3) They are one of the very first Egyptian bands to make an album! 4) They are involved greatly in the local Music scene (probably more than any other Egyptian band) since on average they do about 2 or 3 concerts a month (in Cairo and/or Alexandria) and they were invited to several SOS festivals (not sure how many though :)) 5) I dont see why they shouldnt be given more than 'mid' if we compared them to Umm Kulthum! :P:D I mean, ya Umm Kulthum is probably the most notable singer in Egypt (and probably the Middle East) but so is Eftekasat. I mean, please provide a 'greater' or more notable band than Eftekasat. :) Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 20:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Guys, i added the article Mouled Sidi El-Latini to the project so i'm requesting a rating on this one too! Thanks. :) Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 21:18, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There are certainly other "bands" in Egypt. What about the "boy band" with four guys? (I've forgotten their name.) "Top" importance should be reserved only for articles of only the very highest importance to the subject of Egypt. Badagnani (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What about the "boy band" with four guys? Who? I'm rather out of the loop when it comes to these things, though I listen to a lot of Egyptian music (mosly classic stuff like Abdel Halim). There's been so much talk about Eftekasat though, that now I hope to see one of their concerts sometime. — Zerida  ☥   20:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think its of mid-importance to a Project dedicated to Egypt and the Egyptian people. If its a major and widely popular band in Egypt, then I guess it could be of high importance. These ratings are not that critical anyhow. As for Mouled Sidi el-Latini, it should be either a low or mid. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

They are called WAMA! But they are not notable since they just released some stuff, made a little fuss, did a few concerts and then died. So? I dont even hear their name now! Another band was MTM but they like WAMA released a couple of albums, made a little fuss and believe me, even among all my "listen-to-crappy-Muzak" friends, people just had some 'fun' with their Music and that's it! These are amateurs. Eftekasat and other bands like Wust El Balad and HateSuffocation are the pros. They are made to last!

However, disregarding all my stated reasons, the fact that Eftekasat are (as far as i know) the first international Egyptian band is an important stop in the history of Egyptian Music. They are probably the first Egyptian band to release an album too! A whole new era is coming up and that is supported by the following facts: Eftekasat were the leaders and therefore they deserve a rating of "High"!Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 20:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The recent release of Wust El Balad's debut album.
 * The preparations of both Anoxia and Redeemers to release their debut albums.
 * The multiple 'bands' concerts like Metal Accord, SOS (which went as far as presenting the Christian band "Better Life"!), a recent Metal concert (sadly, i dont recall the name) which featured about 10 Metal bands and Vader’s concert (the first professional Metal concert in Egypt, let alone a Death Metal band!).

Wikimania
As you guys might already know, Egypt will be hosting the 2008 Wikimania at the Bibliotheca Alexandrina. One last pharaoh just asked me about it, so I thought I'd announce it here in case someone is interested in attending, but doesn't know about it yet. Meno has the details. — Zerida  ☥   20:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I wish! :( But i'm way over my head in university and i live in Cairo!! Have fun though! :) Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 22:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Need Arabic
Need Arabic script at Mohamed Abdelwahab Abdelfattah. Badagnani (talk) 04:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Also at Khedivial Opera House. Badagnani (talk) 04:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, check Arabic at Sayed Awad. Badagnani (talk) 04:19, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Done the former two, but maybe someone should check up on me since i'm not an expert in Arabic! (and yes, i was born and raied in Egypt!) :D Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL! While it might come as a surprise to some people, it's not very unusual. Anglo-Egyptians abound! The Abdelfattah one looks fine by the way. — Zerida  ☥   01:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

lol! a friend of mine was raised in British schools in Saudi Arabia; it was taboo to speak Arabic in those schools!! XD i'm quite certain of the very first one, but the second one is kind of confusing! :D Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 01:37, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And let's not forget Franco-Egyptians, some of whom grow up speaking primarily French. It's more complicated by the fact that the written and spoken languages are very different. For those who don't know, Egypt has what is called "language schools" where Standard Arabic is barely taught. As for the opera, I had a hard time with that one too. — Zerida  ☥   02:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

WOW! hold on! i was in a language school and i was taught proper Arabic since KG! i just forgot it coz i took IGCSEs and well, because i hate Arabic and i just shift-deleted it from my system once i had the chance!! :D Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 03:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * From what I observed, the so-called language schools tend to neglect Standard/Classical Arabic a great deal compared to other schools. But the "I hate (classical) Arabic" sentiment (boy quoted in last paragraph) is one you hear quite frequently, so that's certainly a contributing factor. Who knows, maybe the Egyptians will one day come to their senses and switch to writing in something they actually speak :-) The illiteracy rate is another nightmare. — Zerida  ☥   03:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Language schools dont neglect Arabic! :S Maybe they have their "talk English during breaks" rules but in Arabic classes, its taught quite well, boring but well! And by the way i dont hate 'classic' Arabic; i hate Arabic. I'm obliged to talk Arabic so people would understand me, but if i dont need to i wouldnt do it! I even started to talk pure English with my colleagues who would actually understand what i'm saying! :D Anyway, i need you members of the project to check this out. I tried my best but of course, its crappy and it needs references as usual!! :S Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 04:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Masri
I am announcing Ghaly's proposal to create Wikipedia Masri in case anyone is interested. Please be interested :-) — Zerida  ☥   19:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

ويكيبيديا مصرى
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--Ghaly (talk) 17:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Need Arabic
I haven't gotten any response from WPARAB, so I'll try here.

Can anyone check or add Arabic script at:


 * Teslim
 * Dawr
 * Taqtuqa
 * Tahmilah
 * Dulab
 * Longa (Middle Eastern music)
 * Ma'luf
 * Firqa
 * Lazma

These are all terms from Arabic traditional music, so the spellings may differ from the everyday terms, as some of them may be derived from Persian or Turkish.

Many thanks,

Badagnani (talk) 21:05, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Answered at Talk:WPARAB. Badagnani (talk) 21:15, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to consolidate African country WikiProject banners
Template:AfricaProject was recently modified, and now contains individual parameters for all countries in Africa (see usage notes). Since project-specific assessment for all African countries can now be accomplished through the template, a proposal has been made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa to consolidate all individual African country WikiProject banners.

Comments or suggestions would be most welcome. Thank you, Black Falcon (Talk) 23:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * See previous discussion. — Zerida  ☥   01:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Help with folklore
Another editor and I think the story of the crocodile wife is likely to derive from Egyptian folklore, but the best we have been able to come up with are stories from Timor or India that don't really fit. Does anyone have any knowledge of this metaphor from Egypt?--Shantavira|feed me 13:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Need help at Academy of Arts (Egypt)
Need Arabic and help filling out Academy of Arts (Egypt). Is there an official site? Badagnani (talk) 00:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ali Faik Zaghloul
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Deletion discussion
See Articles for deletion/Mohamed Abdelwahab Abdelfattah. Badagnani (talk) 02:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Stargate
Just letting you know, I've removed your WikiProject tag from Stargate - the topic doesn't really have anything to do with Egypt. You're welcome to help maintain the article anyway, of course! --Tango (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Arabic Wikipedia
Hi guys, long time no see! I just have a few questions about the notability at the English Wikipedia on Arabic/Egyptian related matters. As most of you know, it's pretty hard to find sources over the internet that proves the notability of those stuff even though they are quite important. But when I looked into the Arabic Wikipedia, there are treasures of articles which just need to be translated. I'm more than happy to start doing this but the problem of notability will most probably arise. So my question is, if something is notable enough (with lack of references, whether Arabic or English) to be posted on the Arabic Wikipedia, will it be acceptable to be articlized in the English one WITHOUT references? Thanks. Maged M. Mahfouz (talk) 02:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Most important article
The most important article to this project (Egypt) is being re-assessed. There are several citation tags that need to be taken care of and the problem will be solved. But it needs to be taken care of soon before the make their decision to delist it as a good article. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Rename proposal for the lists of basic topics
This project's subject has a page in the set of Lists of basic topics.

See the proposal at the Village pump to change the names of all those pages.

The Transhumanist 09:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
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Egyptian pyramids
Just a quick note to let you know that Egyptian pyramids (which is tagged as in the scope of your project) is up for GA reassessment. The concerns are listed on its talk page, and the article will be given one week for improvement. Nikki 311  03:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
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Good Article sweeps: Great Pyramid of Giza
Hello, as part of WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force, I have conducted a Good Article reassessment of Great Pyramid of Giza. I have a few minor concerns that should be addressed if the article is to remain listed as a GA. If anyone is able to help out, the reassessment can be found here. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I am the only one who has addressed any of the concerns. There are a couple of minor issues (citing a small paragraph and adding a couple of sentences) remaining, so I am extending the hold because I'm really hoping not to have to delist the article. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:32, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

FLC: List of monarchs of the Muhammad Ali Dynasty
The List of monarchs of the Muhammad Ali Dynasty is currently a featured list candidate. However, without supports or at least comments from editors, its nomination will probably fail. Therefore, anyone who's interested is welcome to leave his comments here. Regards. BomBom (talk) 00:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Egypt
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Localities in the Sinai
Hi WP Egypt! Recently I've been writing some stuff about the Six-Day War and Yom Kippur War, and what made cross-checking facts rather difficult was the lack of a list of locations in the Sinai Peninsula (let alone individual articles). Can someone from this project compile such a list? I think it would belong in the North Sinai and South Sinai articles (similar to North District (Israel), etc.). Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 01:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

African cinema task force
An African cinema task force has been proposed at WikiProject Films, which would include the cinema of Egypt. Interested editors are encouraged to sign up - if there is enough interest, then the task force will be created! Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Helwan HA-300
Hello, I have improved this article a lot and it has been for a long time a good article nominee. Please improve this article, as it has lots of sources and references. The article shows the technological efficiency of Egypt and its ambiguous project for creating the fastest and lightest fighter jet. Hope to get it up to GA :) --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Ancient Egyptian)
See Village pump (proposals). Andrewa (talk) 14:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Egypt-related articles needing geographical coordinates
Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles, I've found some Egypt-related articles that I believe are about places, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added.

The articles in question are listed in Category:Egypt articles missing geocoordinate data. At the time of writing, some examples included:

...and there are many more. At the time of posting this notice, there were 199 articles in this category left to tag with geographical coordinates.
 * 1) Kafr Abdu, Alexandria, Egypt
 * 2) Karanis Site Museum
 * 3) Karmouz
 * 4) Imhotep Museum
 * 5) Shepheard's Hotel
 * 6) Sheremsah
 * 7) Zaafarana palace
 * 8) Zawyet el'Aryan

The articles are all marked with coord missing tags, which need replacing with coord tags that contain their latitude/longitude coordinates. You can find out how to do this at the Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members. Please let me know if this is useful! -- The Anome (talk) 15:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Dead Project
I don't know why, but this project is very low in quality and needs lots of improvements. I will start by redesigning the whole projects interface, hope u will help improve it with me. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 09:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Message
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is Ramsses the great Berber?
A picture featuring Ramsses the great is included in the Berber people's infobox (implying he is Berber of course), but from what I know he is Egyptian. Please can you confirm or refute this claim?. Bestofmed (talk) 10:35, 22 December 2008 (UTC).