Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fictional characters/Archive 4

VG characters
Check out Portal talk:Fictional characters. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Pages needing merging
Hi! There are some pages which I think need to be merged into their parent articles... WhisperToMe (talk) 15:34, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Trio (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
 * Lorne (Angel)
 * John Fitzgerald Byers
 * Melvin Frohike
 * Richard Langly


 * The last three are featured in two series. Nevertheless they are already included in List of The X-Files characters so that would be the natural place to merge and redirect if they are insufficiently notable. Alternatively, perhaps they might be merged into a new crossover list of characters appearing in both. - – Fayenatic (talk) 12:55, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Many articles in List of Muppets have separate articles for no reason whatsoever - just take a look at the likes of George the Janitor or Foo-Foo. Also, every single page from "Category:Verbotene Liebe characters" - make them take this to Wikia, maybe German Wikipedia. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 13:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Katniss Everdeen at WP:PR
Hello, everyone! I've put the Katniss Everdeen article up for peer review, as I intend to guide it to GA status. The link to the peer review is accessible via this link. If you have a bit of time, your feedback would be much appreciated. --Starstriker7(Talk) 19:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Article Assessment
I realize that this project no longer keeps track of importance, but in trying to cleanup the quality classification of unassessed Fictional character articles, there are a couple things that are bugging me. First of all, the statistics table is still separating articles by importance, even though the categories don't exist anymore. However, most of those articles have no parameter in their project banner to remove, in order to clean up the table. Is there any reason why the importance categories cannot be reinstated? Many projects larger than this one are able to manage sorting by importance with no problem. IMO, either the table needs to be modified, to no longer break down articles by importance, or all of the articles in the project should be assessed accordingly. Fortdj33 (talk) 13:45, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Hannah  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hannahkell (talk • contribs) 12:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how to get rid of the importance category in the table; I removed it manually once, but it was added back the next time it was updated. I would recommende telling the bot. Glimmer721  talk  01:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I made a formal request at Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index, and they were able to modify the table. It looks much better now, and another side effect is that all the articles showing up in the table as "Other", are now being reflected in their proper quality class! Fortdj33 (talk) 14:17, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Nick and Nora Charles
Im french and hope you'll understand me. I discovered Nick and Nora Charles mentionned in Kinky Friedman's novel, Frequent Flyer, chap. 45. Thanks to him and thanks to you, i've got new knowledge. I dont know if it helps, but I try and I try. Salutations. Joe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.200.80.119 (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Soap operas
There is currently a discussion taking place at your sister project WP:SOAPS could do with more views. It is about fancruft and infoboxes. Rain the One  BAM 03:17, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Notability criteria for list entries in fictional animals
Per WP:LIST, lists at WP have an important function in listing items that can't demonstrate WP-notability in isolation, but are each part of some notable whole.

This refers to List of fictional badgers in particular, but the lists of fictional animals in general. It's based particularly on an unresolved dispute over the Summer, at Talk:List_of_fictional_badgers.

I favour the article as here, Thibbs as it is here. The longer list includes badger entries from works where the work has demonstrated notability. (There may still be some changes to be done - I'm not familiar with each and every case listed).

I do not understand the list as it stands. It is unreferenced (1 SPS, 2 Wikia non-RS). It seems to accept
 * Kalthas of Garry Kilworth's Thunder Oak

as acceptable, even though that first bluelink is just a piped link to the series article. Yet
 * Detective Inspector Archie LeBrock in Grandville by Bryan Talbot

was removed, even though this is the central character of the series, not merely listed under.

Further comments would be appreciated. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:01, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Should we set up a task force to improve character articles?
The reason I ask this question in the heading is because I love reading about fictional characters but many that are either reliant on primary sources or fansites to assert notability. The ones that mainly concern me are the Golden girls characters such as Rose Nylund and Sophia Petrillo or The Dukes of Hazzard with unsourced articles like Boss Hogg or Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane or Cheers characters Loretta Tortelli ,Kelly Gaines and Due South Robert Fraser (Due South) Buck Frobisher.

Before anyone says why don't I try and find sources for under sourced I have for a lot of characters such as Frasier characters such as Daphne Moon or Niles Crane and Steve Urkel. Dwanyewest (talk) 18:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposal of a WikiProject
I'm proposing a wikiproject to cover fictional lists, since this covers fictional characters as well, quite a few articles in the scope of this wikiproject would also fall under Fictional Characters. I was hoping some of you here might be interested in the proposal, maybe with some suggestions and hopefully some of you might like to help out and sign up. Thanks! Ncboy2010 (talk) 15:33, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Mick Dante for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mick Dante is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Mick Dante until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. George Ho (talk) 01:28, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

FAR Notification
nominated Superman for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer (talk) 20:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Should an infobox show a character's full name?
I've noticed that Wikipedia is inconsistent when it comes to including middle names in the infobox. For example, the Pete Ross's infobox shows his full name Peter Joseph Ross, but Lois Lane's infobox says her Full Name is Lois Lane (rather than Lois Joanne Lane). Jimmy Olsen's infobox doesn't have a Full Name section at all. Which is the correct style? 110.174.166.224 (talk) 04:29, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The infobox as well as the lead should be limited to the commonly used names associated with the character. So, "Peter Parker", "Dick Grayson", "Buffy Summers", "Pete Ross", and so on. The "additional" or "correct" names can be noted in the appropriate section of the article if it is something more than trivia.
 * - J Greb (talk) 04:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it should just stick with WP:COMMONNAME - then it matches and has consistency with the article title. Middle names are often add ins... I find with fictional characters those with obscure middle names, they are only heard about when the character marries. I'm not really a supporter of middle names, they are in-universe most of the time.. unless the character is known with their middle name. So I kind of fence sit - where the above post claims it isn't needed it the lead either - I'm not sure... Infobox is a "certainly not" though... Rain the One  BAM 04:44, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There was a back and forth on this with Buffy Summers. The long and short of it was that the lead and 'box are both broad stroke basics of the article topic. With character names that tends mean only the commonly used name(s), not the "full name with the seldom used middle name, obscure nicknames, alternate last names, and all aliases".
 * In some cases the body of the article on the character hits a point where it is appropriate to explain a bit beyond the common name. Hopefully that is in a section with real world context rather than a plot dump.
 * - J Greb (talk) 05:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing me towards the Buffy Summers discussion page. It was interesting reading. I think it's very unfortunate that so many editors are so focused on removing content from Wikipedia rather than adding it. A middle name is just one word, so it takes up very little space and what's "trivial" to one person can be important to someone else. If several people want to add it then there's probably more people who want to know about it. It's a good thing there's Comic Vine and other wikis to make up for Wikipedia's self-imposed limitations. 110.174.166.224 (talk) 08:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not so much about "wanting to remove content from WP" as it is about wanting to be as...perhaps the best work is 'academic'...as possible. There's a lot of things "people want to know" about, but we don't keep them in because they aren't what an encyclopedia is for. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 14:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Character infobox template changes
Just wanted to notify people of a discussion taking place here about changes to the template mainly about the removal of the last appearance field. D4nnyw14 (talk) 23:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Are Different strokes characters notable?
Arnold Jackson (character) and Willis Jackson (character) are I feel aren't notable what are anyone's opinions before I consider going for an AFD. Dwanyewest (talk) 16:24, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You can give each of them a prod and let someone contest the PROD, but make sure it was not PRODded previously or nominated for AfD in the past. The actors are notable; the character themselves... I don't think anyone covers these characters significantly, as far as I know. Trivial coverages don't count. WP:GNG is good to read for now. --George Ho (talk) 06:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Tom Cudahy for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Tom Cudahy is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Tom Cudahy until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. --George Ho (talk) 06:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Erin Lavery for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Erin Lavery is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Erin Lavery until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. --George Ho (talk) 06:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Need help on Sam Malone
I'm still working on this topic. I have found journals that significantly cover this fictional character of Cheers. I wonder if you could help me with the fictional background; I have seen too much. --George Ho (talk) 01:45, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Problem with Isaac Clarke
Various users just won't let it be redirected. It's a horrible article on all counts ( was a stub as rewritten by me, later ENTIRELY ignored by the author). Please keep it redirected. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and there appears to be a similar problem with Edward Carnby - a standards-failing (not as much as Clarke's, but still) article which is being restored again and again under the pretext of "rv v" with no other changes, so maybe it should be locked as a redirect. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Day Class Students
in my opinion, I think the day class students are better than the night class students. The night class's character bios are set out better for some reason. The day class are a vital part in vampire knight because Sayori Wakaba finds out that Yuki is a vampire, Saboten Hageshi is a guardian and helps defeat rido and his vampire servants, Nadeshiko Shindo finds out that the night class are vampires, Fuka kisaragi is revealed to be a vampire, Kaseumi Kageyama also finds out that the night class are vampires like the rest of the day class, and Ichiru is zeros's brother. So I think the day class are just as important as the night class, the day class are pretty kick ass too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.147.5.203 (talk) 01:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Are these Dukes of Hazzard characters notable?
My query is are these characters Enos Strate,Bo Duke, Jesse Duke. Because alot of these TV characters aren't supported by any third person sources to justify notability. I don't wish to nominated articles like these for two main reasons if there are book sources or magazine articles which can be established notability that I am unable to find. I don't want a blatantly non notable article being stopped for deletion or merger by inclusionist "fanboys" who will insist the character is inherently notable but will not provide any reliable sources to show the character is notable outside of the show Dwanyewest (talk) 19:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I have nominated thes article for deletion
I have been some what concerned about the quality and notability of some TV characters. I have nominated the following characters Kimberly Drummond (character), Phillip Drummond (character), Arnold Jackson (character), Willis Jackson (character) feel free to add your opinions to why they should be kept or deleted. Dwanyewest (talk) 20:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Merging Isaac Clarke notice
I'm worried that this might not receive any attention otherwise, so I've decided to post a notice about possibly merging Isaac Clarke into Dead Space (series). Discussion here. – Harry Blue5 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Sam and Diane for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Sam and Diane is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Sam and Diane until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. --George Ho (talk) 02:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Council/Proposals/Fictional couples
I have created this Project proposal that must cover fictional couples of any fixed medium, print or electronic, such as soap opera couples, Relationship of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, and Sam and Diane. I wonder if you can join in the linked title rather than here. --George Ho (talk) 06:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Huger Games
Can someone add Prim's cat Buttercup to her profile because i think butter cup shouln't be left out.--Cheyenne (talk) 19:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Portal talk:Fictional characters
The space hijacked for video games characters central (a bot just said nobody's watching it and apparently it's true). --194.145.185.229 (talk) 16:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Correction. "— indicates the page has fewer than 30 watchers". I watch it. ;) Blake (Talk·Edits) 19:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

List of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles characters
This article was a total mess. It had over 150 Supporting characters. It included every single character who has ever appeared in a TNMT comic, cartoon, movie or toyline. I have removed them all. A very small percentage of them might deserve to remain, but I'm not sure which. I think starting from scratch and then shifting the burden of proof to someone wanting to add a character is the proper route. It should only include those who are truly relevant.

Also, it seems that all the main characters have their own wiki-page. I do not think they deserve this. Their articles should redirect to the List page with a few paragraphs each. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:36, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Rick Grimes
I am currently expanding the article so it can satisfy the GA criteria, but I am having a little trouble on how to format parts of the article. This character is the central character of The Walking Dead comics and its television adaption; as such, there are difference in the development between each version. I'm also having trouble finding info about Grimes' conception. Any help would be very appreciated. —DAP388 (talk) 23:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Is this the correct chaaracter inbox?
I am trying to improve the Masters of the Universe character articles with the hope one day getting some of the characters demerged when more independent third person information becomes available. My issue is is the character inbox for Fearless Photog correct as it states the characters powers and alignment to whether he is good or evil. Dwanyewest (talk) 03:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If the consensus within that media shows that alignment/powers are something to have in the infobox, then it should be listed. After a quick look at quite a few of the articles from that series, powers and alignment are not shown in any of them. I think it should probably be removed. Blake (Talk·Edits) 15:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Oz characters
While adding some of the television character stubs to the Fictional characters project, I discovered the template Oz(HBO) for the TV series Oz. Nearly every character from the show is there, and most of them had not been added to any wikiprojects, before I added them to WikiProject Television and WikiProject Fictional characters. Since the majority of these character articles are stubs, I wonder if they should be merged into the List of Oz (TV series) characters, instead of having a separate article for each character. Fortdj33 (talk) 16:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If there's no critical commentary, they should be merged. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Franky Fitzgerald
There is a proposed merge at Talk:Franky Fitzgerald. Please help out by giving your opinion on the matter - You have the power to solve something that will drag on forever - in two minutes. Rain  the 1  11:49, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Merge input needed - Mom (Futurama)
Should Mom (Futurama) merge to List of recurring Futurama characters? Please comment at Talk:Mom (Futurama). D O N D E groovily  Talk to me  12:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

List of The Walking Dead (TV series) characters
The page List of The Walking Dead (TV Series) characters is practically a duplicate of List of The Walking Dead (TV series) characters. The only difference in the title, is the capitalization of the word "series", and per Wikipedia policy it should NOT be capitalized. Since both lists are large and may have had different information added to them, they should be merged instead of doing a simple redirect, so that no original information is missed. Fortdj33 (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest that neither title is correct. Both are clumsy and it would be better to follow the model of List of characters in The Walking Dead by titling the article List of characters in The Walking Dead (TV series). GDallimore (Talk) 23:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Cheers task force proposal
I've recently proposed a task force in WikiProject Council/Proposals/Cheers. Come there for discussion. Thank you! George Ho (talk) 04:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorting fictional characters
I have some interest in the WP, will skim archives when I have more time, might join. For now let me note Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people where there are multiple Talk sections about fiction, some archived.

At section Sorting of fictional characters, I reported and asked about sorting Portal: Harry Potter and other. There are two issues; if the characters Harry Potter and Lemony Snicket generally belongs under 'P' and 'S', it may be that some uses are shorthands that belong under 'H' and 'L'. --P64 (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move at Gojira
There is a move discussion taking place here, and the input of any and all interested editors would be greatly appreciated. Evanh2008 (talk 09:29, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Category:Fictional speakers of Klingon
FYI. Kiefer .Wolfowitz  10:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting fictional speakers of klingon


 * Nominator's rationale: No other languages, real or fictional, has a similar category - the other categories listed here refer to Speaker (politics), not to speakers of specific languages. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:42, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep The nominator's first claim is false, as its parent category, "Fictional characters by status" contains the category "Fictional Esperantists" (which omits Herr Lodovico Settembrini of The Magic Mountain by Thomas Mann) . Klingon-speaking, like Esperanto-speaking, is an important element in the portrayal of the character, of course, which is why this category was preserved in a previous discussion. Kiefer  .Wolfowitz  10:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Convenience link: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_June_6 (still open). – sgeureka t•c 10:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

User:George Ho/Naming conventions (character)


I need your help on expanding this proposal for naming fictional characters. It is easier to deal with than notability of fictional characters. --George Ho (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

A couple of "Start-class" articles for a re-assessment

 * Ada Wong
 * Annah-of-the-Shadows
 * Aya Brea
 * Dogmeat
 * Elexis Sinclaire
 * Chun-Li
 * Claire Redfield
 * Ibuki (Street Fighter)
 * Leon S. Kennedy
 * Rebecca Chambers (character)
 * Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
 * Sniper Wolf
 * Taki (Soulcalibur)
 * Tyrant (Resident Evil)

Also a few of the currently "C-class" rated articles that I think might deserve more:
 * Ayane (Dead or Alive)
 * Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
 * Kitana (Mortal Kombat)
 * Mai Shiranui
 * Mileena
 * Yuna (Final Fantasy)

And unrated:
 * Jade (Mortal Kombat)

Improvement comments/hints welcome. --Niemti (talk) 12:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My two bits.
 * Ada Wong: C, though it needs to be heavily cleaned up. The second image doesn't add anything to the article as a fair-use image.
 * Annah-of-the-Shadows: Start, but here's why. While the reception is OK (though needs to be reformatted to fit standards, why the parenthesis quotes?), the article itself directly needs rewriting for wikipedia's standards, namely that giant quote on the decisions regarding her character design. It needs to be broken up with actual editor prose, with snippets explaining the elements as needed.
 * Aya Brea: Start. Sure there's reception, but no development information whatsoever? The appearances section needs to be summarized as well.
 * Dogmeat: C. It needs tidying but it does fit the requirements now.
 * Elexis Sinclaire: C, but needs to be cleaned up.
 * Chun Li: C, B if it can get cleaned up (i.e. "Probably best known for", stuff like that)
 * Tyrant (Resident Evil): Leave at start. The article doesn't feel very concise yet, and some of the reception is attributed to Mr. X, which is like clumping Nemesis in here just because it happens to be a Tyrant-type monster in the series. It needs more meat.
 * That's all I can go through right now. None of the above are really bad, just...weakly written in a lot of ways.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:23, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There are a handful of the Start-class articles that clearly meet the C-Class criteria (Ada Wong, Chun-Li, Claire Redfield, Ibuki (Street Fighter), Jade (Mortal Kombat), Leon S. Kennedy, Scorpion (Mortal Kombat), and Taki (Soulcalibur)). I upgraded their classification accordingly, and some of them might even be worthy of a higher class, but I don't know enough about the subject matter to make any suggestions. As for the rest of the Start-Class articles above, I think that they should remain at Start-Class, until they can be expanded further. Fortdj33 (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

KFM, can you post some detailed comments on the talk pages? Also I think some articles such as Sniper Wolf are close to their limits of what can be written about them before going into gamecruft stuff or just quoting the same sources but more, and in that case they just won't ever leave the "start-class". Aya Brea's design, I'm at loss what can be written here, besides stating the obvious (physical description but in prose). Chun Li has no "Probably best known for" anywhere in the article. Mr.X is a Tyrant, just the most notable after Nemesis, and unlike Nemesis it has no separate article. --Niemti (talk) 16:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Some more not-quite "Start-class" articles: --Niemti (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ayame (Tenchu)
 * Chris Redfield
 * Cyberdemon (an extremely limited subject, similar to BFG 9000)
 * Dark Queen (Battletoads)
 * Kane (Command & Conquer)
 * Larry Laffer
 * Max Payne (character)
 * Morte (a limited subject)
 * Ryu Hayabusa (the tags are for a perfect article)

Also: --Niemti (talk) 01:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Avatar (Ultima)
 * List of Mortal Kombat characters
 * Lili (Tekken)
 * Metal Gear (weapon)
 * Mona Sax
 * Scissorman
 * Strider Hiryu
 * This was the sentences I was referring to: "Chun-Li is especially known for her muscular legs". I apparently mis-read it at first glance, but's a sentence that needs to be worded better and there's a lot of cases like that. The appearances section on the whole can be broken down and summarized, probably getting you two paragraphs per section. On an interesting note, the fan service bit actually had quite a bit of reaction to it and could easily be used as reception to how people reacted in context to the character. Things like that are worth considering.
 * I might work more heavily on her article and Annah's (I did boatloads of work on PS:T back under the name Cilantro). I'm busy as heck these days as it stands so I barely mess with wikipedia anymore.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Soap opera character stubs
Some help would be appreciated, in cleaning up some of the stub-class articles for soap opera characters. In tagging the appropriate articles and making sure that they are part of the project, I found several that were not much more that a few sentences, and could easily be merged into a list of characters for that soap opera. An extreme example is William Hughes (As the World Turns), but a lot of these stubs have not been expanded in years, and are not notable enough for individual articles. Fortdj33 (talk) 19:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

SpongeBob SquarePants (character)
I've placed SpongeBob SquarePants (character) for GAR. Please comment here for any concerns. JJ98 (Talk / Contribs)  10:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Captain Price
Is this videogame character really "TOP" importance to this project? See Talk:Captain Price... it seems like a very minor standard character in all of fictional characters. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 03:10, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

James Bond
There is a suggestion to have two separate articles for James Bond the charaacter, see Talk:James Bond (character) -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 03:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

James Bond AFD Discussions
Just so everyone is aware, there are three James Bond-related articles are up for AFD: Articles for deletion/Plenty O'Toole, Articles for deletion/Agent Strawberry Fields and Articles for deletion/General Grubozaboyschikov. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move Layton
Hello,

feel free to voice your opinion on this page. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 20:12, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Greatest roles of all time lists
Are there lists like say an AFI list of the 100 greatest roles of all time or The Broadway League list of the greatest roles of all-time. I don't think I would be overstating it to say that the new article I am creating for Willy Loman is an article for one of dramatic arts' greatest all-time roles, but I don't know how to state it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:05, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Rather than assess that based on a list or ranking, I'd be tempted to look for both literary criticism of Death of a Salesman as a piece of writing, and theatrical criticism of it as a stage play (try The Guardian for the latter, maybe). Given the piece's importance and legacy I'd be highly surprised if you were unable to directly ascribe a quote along the lines of "greatest role/character" to someone. GRAPPLE   X  03:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Filmsite has a list of possibly relevant links at http://www.filmsite.org/100characters.html and also a feature on "definitive screen roles" at http://www.filmsite.org/grroles1.html. Hope this helps. Betty Logan (talk) 05:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

British stage, film and television database help
I'm still trying to create the Willy Loman article. If you know anything that might be analogous to www.IBDb.com for West End theatre please chime in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Theatre. Also, looking for BAFTA data.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Damaging rewrites?
I'm concerned about these edits - the user seems to be completely rewriting large chunks of numerous articles, often eradicating references, eg. There are also potential WP:TONE problems. Can someone look into this? (It looks extensive, and I have no experience in this topic area). Thanks. —Quiddity (talk) 19:48, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If the rewrites are damaging the articles, I'd bring it up to the RS noticeboard too, so the user can receive training on how to not do it WhisperToMe (talk) 03:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do, thanks. —Quiddity (talk) 19:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Son Goku naming
Hi! In light of the naming dispute involving Son Goku of Dragon Ball, I did some searches for English RSes that mention the full name Son Goku. I found quite a few: Talk:Goku WhisperToMe (talk) 03:05, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Huge backlog
Hello project,

you may know it or not, but there is a huge backlog at WP:GAN. The oldest unreviewed articles are from the early May, most of which are film and TV characters. Any help in clearing the backlog is appreciated. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 11:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Brenda Leigh Johnson

 * Brenda Leigh Johnson

I am having a hard time describing my frustration at this situation with the article Brenda Leigh Johnson. It is completely unthinkable that a fairly complete article has been constructed by many editors, and at no point anywhere in the article does it mention her most notable characteristic, the fact that the character lies and manipulates as a method of getting confessions. It is basically, like having an article about MacGyver, and at no point mentioning that he is resourceful. She does it in every single episode without exception, just like MacGyver is resourceful in every one of his episodes. The situation really is on that level, not a borderline case at all. The problem I have is that it is so obvious, that it isn't really mentioned or documented in any promotional literature about the show. The show isn't sufficiently significant that there is a lot of literature about it. For instance not as significant as Peanuts is, that there is sufficient literature out there that would conspicuously state that "Charlie Brown is a loser." The fact that Charlie Brown is a loser, and MacGyver is resourceful is obvious to anyone who knows the first thing about these characters. I am dealing with an editor who insists on removing these facts about Brenda. She claims that I am pushing a POV, and my claim is that attempting to omit this obvious fact, is her pushing a point of view. Please consider, there are plenty of cop shows out there, and plenty of interrogations. However, only once in a while do you see the cops engage in overt deception or manipulation. Brenda does it every single time without fail, in every episode, and her lying and manipulating spills over into her personal and professional relations too. She has lied and manipulated every single other character on the show at one time or another. Basically, I am dealing with someone who has completely missed the whole point, and when it is pointed out to her, she still doesn't see it. This situation is insane. Greg Bard (talk) 20:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Naming conventions (characters)
Found this, it's written by a single user, and doesn't seem to have input from any other users. Does this conform to this project's general expectations, or should it be userfied? There doesn't seem to have been discussion going into its creation, since I see no links incoming from any discussion area. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 12:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Well... it is tagged as an essay, and most of those exist in "Wikipedia" space. And hopefully it isn't being used as a guideline.
 * That said... I can understand where this is coming from: The article title should not be used to spell out minutia to please fans. Nor should the lead for that matter. The name used should be the most common one used in referencing the character in a real world context, not what would assumed to be used in an in-story bio.
 * - J Greb (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It does use the naming convention found for guidelines, instead of Wikipedia:Naming character articles or somesuch that doesn't make it look like it's a guideline. (There's also the objection on the talk page to the essay's very existence) -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 14:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

New sister project proposal
Hi, you may want to see this proposal for new project based on fiction. --213.155.255.148 (talk) 19:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Would it back import stuff moved from Wikipedia onto Wikia's Annex, that people have been doing over the years? -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Pokedex
FYI, someone has proposed to create a Pokemon Index project, see WikiProject Council/Proposals/Pokédex -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:09, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Use of "Dr."
I'm wondering if someone can explain or point me in the right direction on the correct use (or non-use) of "Dr." with fictional characters. Specifically in cases where it's not their WP:COMMONNAME, but just their title/degree/profession. It seems to be inconsistently used (intro sentence, image captions, and especially when referenced in the text of other characters). I can't find any guidelines on this specifically for fictional characters, and it seems that the guidlelines for real people (WP:CREDENTIAL) say not to use it in the intro sentence nor when the name is referenced in other places. I just want to make sure this is also the common practice for fictional characters before updating any articles that use "Dr." Thanks! Kelly Marie 0812 (talk) 19:30, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

fictionalized characters
Does this project encompass fictionalized characters? (fictional versions of real people/characters) -- 70.24.186.245 (talk) 07:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter (novel)/Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter (film) type characters or animated versions of real people such as those that appear on The Simpsons?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:15, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Are all these Viz characters notable ?
I have just added some some sources to Fat Slags and will create Fat Slags (film) tomorrow my concern it many of the Viz characters such as Tasha Slappa, Biffa Bacon and Sid the Sexist have no independent sources to show notablity so I am wondering if they should be nominated for deletion.Dwanyewest (talk) 23:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The Fat Slags I'd say are probably the most notable of the Viz lineup, especially given the film. With the addition of the Profanisaurus I'd say Roger Mellie, the man on the telly would also be notable enough to warrant an article, but it might be difficult to justify the rest of them. A list article might be best. GRAPPLE   X  23:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * List of Viz comic strips is the only place I can think the likes of Biffa Bacon can be merged to. Dwanyewest (talk) 00:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Given the size of the articles that you gave as examples, I'd say that they could be notable, if the proper sources were added. But in tagging Stub-class articles, I have noticed several articles about Viz characters that are not only unsourced, but have very little content to begin with. Rather than delete them, I think that most of the articles in could easily be merged into a new article, such as List of Viz characters, which currently just redirects to List of Viz comic strips. Fortdj33 (talk) 02:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I have stated a debate at Talk:List of Viz comic strips if anyone is interestedDwanyewest (talk) 14:47, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Easy to create but impossible to delete are these characters notable?
I have been searching articles to improve but there seems to be a disturbing pattern to many character articles it seems easy to create. I think these articles below are examples of poor articles that need to be deleted or merged anyone got opinons?Dwanyewest (talk) 13:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Dukes of Hazzard

Enos Strate

Cletus Hogg

Dark Shadows

Willie Loomis

Daniel Collins (Dark Shadows)

Raffles

Bunny Manders

Extinctioners characters
There are currently 20 characters that are part of Extinctioners and are included in. ALL of these character articles are stubs, and are severely under-referenced. The articles range in size from Jeran Lobo to Scarlet Ann Starfox, but I think that they could be better served by merging them all into one article, such as List of Extinctioners characters. Fortdj33 (talk) 15:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It's been almost a month since I proposed this merger, so if no one has any objections, I will go ahead and merge them all into the aforementioned list. Fortdj33 (talk) 02:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Dragonlance characters
Can anyone find any additional sources for Goldmoon and Raistlin Majere? We are trying to make sure we meet the WP:GNG at minimum, and preferably exceed that and truly improve the articles. Thanks in advance. BOZ (talk) 22:00, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, pretty quiet around here nowadays! Anyway, if anyone has any sources for Caramon Majere, Tasslehoff Burrfoot, Tanis Half-Elven, Riverwind, and Kitiara uth Matar, that would really help those articles. BOZ (talk) 23:48, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Ling Woo
Ling Woo, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. AIR corn (talk) 01:10, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jamie Ewing


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Proposed deletion of Rebecca Barnes Wentworth (Dallas)


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Proposed deletion of Katherine Wentworth


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Proposed deletion of Michelle Stevens


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Proposed deletion of Cally Harper Ewing


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Proposed deletion of Mark Graison


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Dallas and user:Peteerh
is converting redirects to the List of Dallas characters  into articles without mention of notability, in a in-universe manner, and without much in the way of references. You may wish to examine these articles to see if they should be restored to being redirects, or can be fixed to show notability; and add real-world relevance/information. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 07:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The way to handle this collection of secondary characters is merging them into a single notable list of non-notable characters, per WP:PAGEDECIDE and WP:CSC. Diego (talk) 00:10, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Rebecca Barnes Wentworth (Dallas) and Rebecca Barnes
At AFD it was decided to merge these two articles together. According to the fictional history of the show, "Rebecca Barnes Wentworth" is the grandmother of "Rebecca Barnes", so how do we handle the merger? -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 03:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I feel that that was most certainly the wrong result, since the one person who suggested a merge didn't realise they were different characters, and the person who closed the debate apparently didn't notice the reply that they are not the same character. So I wouldn't suggest merging, I would suggest some sort of deletion review. – anemone projectors – 10:01, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, mistakes will happen.. but it received a close from a single editor's opinion. The editor was unable to differentiate between two articles. The issue was raised - yet the IP was ignored. Hopefully this matter is addressed. Rain  the 1  23:22, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've spoken with the closing admin and he has agreed that Rebecca Barnes Wentworth (Dallas) can be merged with List of Dallas characters, or simply redirected. – anemone projectors – 13:22, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The creator of the page,, has blanked the page. I assume this could be handled through db-author ? I'll add a tag. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 01:30, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The speedy delete was declined, so the merge or redirect is still to be done. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 02:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Peteerh
is making hundreds of nuisance edits to Dallas characters, adding and then immediately removing the changes, moving parameters in the infobox up or down a few lines, and then doing it again a few hours later. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The user is currently blocked, so won't be able to edit until February 12. – anemone projectors – 13:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A new user has appeared with a similar user name and the same usage pattern (same kinds of nuisance edits) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 16:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I see you have taken it to ANI, so they may well take it to SPI for you. Let's see what happens. – anemone projectors – 18:02, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The new user has been blocked as a sock. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 06:57, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

merger discussion of Jack (hero) and Jack tales
Please see Talk:Jack tales for merger discussion of Jack (hero) and Jack tales.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:22, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Depiction of a fictional character
There's a for the use of an image of Marvin Pontiac, a fictional character purportedly releasing the album The Legendary Marvin Pontiac: Greatest Hits, actually by John Lurie. Diego (talk) 08:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

We need an MOS and other guidelines for characters
The MOS regarding fiction in general isnt much help and i personally find it outdated. I believe we should make a very distinct MOS for making fictional character articles including list articles or such. For one i personally suggest avoid using " it was revealed 'In Episode X' that such and such happen" because it sounds too guide-like. Similar to an instruction manual. I just made a space for this so that anyone can work on it. The link is User:Lucia Black/Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Fictional Characters.Lucia Black (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I know I am willing to listen to any ideas on how to demonstrate how to make fictional character articles better. As long as it doesn't really contradict the particular media's rules. (video game, comic book, film). That's probably the most tricky part. One no-brainder to put down is to make a note for the WP:in-Universe guideline.
 * Also my question on " it was revealed in Episode X that such and such happen'. What sounds better to you? Episode X revealed that such and such and such happened? What would be you're alternative? Jhenderson  7 7 7  22:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The setup would be like this: "When (events of Episode X) occured, (further key events of Episode X) were revealed." Such hypothetically theres a series about a boy looking for a dog, and lets say episode 3 is mainly about looking for him in the woods, but the same episode reveals that the dog had a previous owner. Instead of saying "Episode 3 reveals the dog had a previous owner" it would instead say "When the boy searched for the dogs in the woods, he discovered the dog had a previous owner" or maybe when its irrelevant when it happened and just giving a brief summary of that character its best to state "it has been revealed that such events happened." But thats more on brief summary in a list of characters article rather than showing the fictional history of the character in its own independent article.


 * This is also to help organize the article better, the MOS is more about do's and don'ts of general wikipedia guidelines already provided, but this would be closer to how to organize the article better. Such as list articles of characters. If you see the link, its already focusing on structure.Lucia Black (talk) 23:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok that sounds acceptable. I put you're page on my watchlist. If you feel like adding something on there you can talk about it on the talk page or add it on the page and I can weigh in on my thoughts about it on the talk page with you. How about that? Jhenderson  7 7 7  23:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good.Lucia Black (talk) 23:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

User conduct discussion regarding Niemti
There is an ongoing user conduct discussion regarding Niemti, which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject, since he contributes to many anime articles. It can be found here. If you comment there you may wish to review the rules for user conduct comments first. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:42, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed revision of disambiguation terms at WP:NCCOMICS
Would anyone have anything to add at this discussion? --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:17, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Max Blum - Happy Endings character
I can accept that the Happy Endings (ABC) character "Max Blum" is worthy of column inches for being a radically un-stereotypical portrayal of a homosexual. Although the existing character page is generally well-structured and makes good use of sources, the writing is very amatuerish, with frequent grammatical errors and non-sequiturs. The "Storylines" section contains a disproportionate level of detail, particularly considering that the Happy Endings page itself is quite brief, and there are no stand-alone pages for any other character.

Happy Endings is a great show, and I am glad that it continues to build it's respectable fanbase. However, it seems premature to start developing stand alone character pages for the show. I would recommend that the Max Blum page be eliminated, and that its substantive material (i.e., information on the character's cultural impact) be used to bolster the show's "Reception" section.


 * After reading it I would agree with you mostly. The character doesn't have enough cited information (like reception) to justify a stand alone article yet. I think a tv series like that is probably better off creating a list article on the characters. I feel if people did their research, it would be a obvious inclusion. Jhenderson  7 7 7  13:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

"Frank Burns"
The usage of is under discussion, see talk:Frank Burns (disambiguation) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 13:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Illusive Man up for peer review
Illusive Man, about the Mass Effect character, is up for peer review here. If anyone has any comments or suggestions on/for the article, they'd be much appreciated. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 00:44, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

List of The Warriors characters
The List of The Warriors characters article is relevant to this Project, so I would like some feedback from other editors here. I took the pruning shears to this article, and am open to the criticism that I went too far, but the article was such a bloated mess, I felt it necessary to trim it way back and then slowly readd necessary details. A look at the article history shows that a dedicated anon. has been almost exclusively editing the article for a long time, turning into fanboy paradise. At any rate, I would like to hear some thoughts on this article and my edits. Thanks. --- The Old Jacobite The '45  14:56, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Star Trek
List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek: The Next Generation is completely awash in fancruft, and almost totally lacking in sources. I see no real out-of-universe notability, but somehow everyone else thinks it's salvageable. Do you wanna take a stab at fixing it up, or are you all just going to let it rot forever and hope it fixes itself? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 08:15, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Faust navbox
I have been creating a lot of templates of late. One of my most recent is Faust navbox. I have been encouraged to invite all the relevant projects to participate in the two discussions going on about this template. Please come participate at Template talk:Faust navbox and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Opera.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:39, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Awake (TV series) characters merge proposal
The character articles have been proposed to be merged into a character list, see talk:Awake (TV series) -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 00:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Richard Castle
The Richard Castle article is mixing the fictional character history, with the real-life nom-de-plume history. Particularly, real-life e-books and ISBNs are being used to represent the fictional works. While ghostwritten novels have been released, this should be clearly segregated from the in-universe versions of those books. There should be a separate section on how the fictional character has become a real-life pseudonym, instead of making representations that appear to have a fictional character write real-life novels. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 12:02, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Brady Kincaid


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Gertie the Dinosaur FAC
I've nominated Gertie the Dinosaur for Featured Article status. Everyone is encouraged to participate in the review. All feedback is much appreciated. Curly Turkey (gobble) 13:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

William Hickey (columnist)
I made an edit to the page William Hickey (columnist) which was to remove an incorrect comma that was misleading in relation to the meaning of the sentence. An editor undid the revision and subsequently changed the wording, marking my edit as incorrect and the comma as a WP:BRITENG style issue, and referring me to WP:COMMA. This isn't a style issue and the style guide is not relevant here, as the comma is unneccesary. The original wording was as follows: ""William Hickey" is the pseudonymous byline of a gossip column published in the British daily newspaper, the Daily Express." The use of a comma implies that there is only one British daily newspaper and it is called the Daily Express, which is incorrect. Moreover, it is not an apposite phrase; the phrase "the British daily newspaper" describes "the Daily Express" as if an adjective, and you clearly never put a comma between an adjective and a noun. The wording is now: ""William Hickey" is the pseudonymous byline of a gossip column published in the Daily Express, a British daily newspaper." This loses the perfectly normal phrasing of the original and the subtle difference places undue emphasis on "a British daily newspaper". In the spirit of consensus, there are literally hundreds of WP articles in which the phrase "the British newspaper the Daily Express" or some variant (The Observer, The Times, etc) exists (not to mention thousands of other similar uses). I submit that my edit should be reverted to and the original phrasing maintained. I would perhaps only now suggest that the first use of "daily" is removed as it is tautological given the paper's title. Alexetc (talk) 12:23, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Mass Effect species capitalisation
There's a discussion about whether we should capitalise fictional alien races in Mass Effect on the Illusive Man's talk page. (E.g. "The quarian strolled into a bar." vs "The Quarian strolled into a bar.") Don't know if anyone in this project would have any views. – Bellum (talk) (contribs) 22:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Gojira
The usage of Gojira is under discussion, see talk:Gojira -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 00:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Jinx quote box
Please consider joining the discussion at Talk:Jinx (G.I. Joe), regarding whether a quote about the character in G.I. Joe: Retaliation needs to be in a quote box or not. Thank you. Fortdj33 (talk) 15:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

How to make an article on a list of video game characters
I've been wondering something, and this seems like the best place to ask it. I want to know the best way to make an article on a list of video game characters.

To the right of this paragraph, you'll see what part of the list looks like in the List of Red Dead Redemption characters article, and a similar thing is in the List of Grand Theft Auto IV characters article. However, in other articles, such as the List of Uncharted characters one, there seems to be no such infobox. Therefore, I was wondering if the infobox should be removed from some of the aforementioned articles (and saved for sole articles about characters themselves, such as Lara Croft, Crash Bandicoot, etc.), and the information could be placed in a paragraph about the character themselves? Or should the infobox stay in the list?

Also, I'm currently in the midst of making a list of characters for L.A. Noire, under my workspace (find it here), and I was wondering if the descriptions for the characters so far are too long, and if they shouldn't contain so much information on the plot. Should I focus more on specifics of the character (personality, physical appearance, etc.)?

Thank you in advance. --Rhain1999 (talk) 05:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I generally avoid using Infobox character on character lists; I mainly use it for characters who have their own article (e.g. Lara Croft, Cloud Strife). It tends to break up sections too much and get messy when used in character lists. You'll notice that most featured lists/articles on characters avoid using the infobox. As for your draft, it does seem to spend quite a bit of time on plot summary and not enough on descriptions of the character him/herself. Generally, the high level plot summary should be covered in the Plot section of the work, not in the characters section/list. Story stuff in each character's section should be limited to backstory and instead focus on creative influences in character design and critical reception to the character. If a character is so minor that they don't get mentioned in the work's plot summary, consider if the character is not important enough to include in the character list at all and don't be afraid to just straight up cut the section. Hope this helps. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That definitely does help. :) --Rhain1999 (talk) 23:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Jack
Should Template:Jack be split into three templates? I had created it with both Jack and the Beanstalk and Jack the Giant Killer after hearing about Jack the Giant Slayer. With the addition of Jack Frost, I am wondering if it should be split into two or three separate templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:18, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears to me that the first two are pretty much the same characters. I would say that the Jack Frost information needs to be in a separate template, and the rest is fine as is. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:11, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think this is too broad for a single navbox. I'm no expert on the subject, but are Jack and the Beanstalk and Jack the Giant Killer directly related?  I'd support splitting into two or three navboxes.  I'd also lose the "Other tales related to Jack" section as the relationship is vague - instead opting for a link to the broad-topic article Jack (hero) in a "Related topics" or similar section.  If Jack and the Beanstalk and Jack the Giant Killer end up as separate navboxes, maybe also include reciprocal links for these articles in this section too.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 07:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know how closely related they are because I just heard of the latter when Jack the Giant Slayer came out which is derived from both. I think they are probably somewhat related and feel that with one template people who know will be able to help sort things out. I wasn't expecting the next major edits to be from a Jack Frost editor who muddled things up. I'll probably make a Jack Frost template later this week.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 09:40, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Actually Jack, as the name of the template implies should be the subject of template. Jack is the only common element of Jack and the Beanstalk and Jack the Giant Killer. Also the "other tales" section should be restored as they are also related to Jack.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:36, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Added back others and retitled. See also Jack Frost. Note that I have started to ovehaul the Jack Frost content.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:21, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * As old men the two Jacks of beanstalk and giant-killer fame are well-developed secondary characters in a children's novel by Mary Norton, Are All the Giants Dead? (Dent, 1975)[www.worldcat.org/title/are-all-the-giants-dead/oclc/1366109 first US ed.] (not a Borrowers book). They maintain an inn where the main character resides for half the story. Jack of the beanstalk killed one giant indirectly; he is a gardener and a superb cook on the hearth fire. Big Jack killed many giants and his trophies are displayed on the inn wall. He missed one, a fact that he denies and avoids and that chafes him. --P64 (talk) 20:29, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * O.K. Those two Jacks are related, but until the Norton book has an article, there is not much to do for the template.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:09, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * In which case, I think that we should be splitting the two different giant-killing Jacks into separate templates. The instances where the tales have become merged can be on both templates.  The scope is too broad to include all the different heroes named Jack - this could be a separate template in itself.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Or alternatively, rename from "Jack (hero)" to "Jack and the Beanstalk and Jack the Giant Killer". --Rob Sinden (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

My interpretation of above commentary

 * I think everyone was in agreement that Jack Frost was wisely split. It is unclear to me what people want with Jack and the Beanstalk and Jack the Giant Killer. I am indifferent and willing to follow consensus on this issue. Below are my interpretations of the comments above. Please correct me if I am wrong
 * 14:11, 30 June 2013 - Pretty much the same character keep the two together.
 * 07:57, 3 July 2013 - undecided; 10:37, 4 July 2013 - should be split.
 * 15:36, 3 July 2013 - Template should be named Jack if kept together although the stories have little in common.
 * 20:29, 3 July 2013 - The characters are different but linked. Not only does Jack the Giant Slayer, which initiated the template link them, but also literature such as Mary Norton's novel link them.
 * I am pretty sure Robsinden is watching this discussion. I will contact the other respondents for clarification of my interpretations.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:25, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tony - I wasn't, but because you mentioned me by name, I got the new notification thingy :). I think we need to lose the lengthy additional characters section, so I think splitting would be the best way to achieve this.  It might be appropriate to give them a navbox of their own, but as we demonstrated earlier, Jack Frost, etc., have little to do with Jack with the beanstalk, so it seems strange to include Jack Frost on beanstalk Jack's navbox, but a link to Jack (hero) would be appropriate on each (like you did at Jack Frost's template).  --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Previously we said in the Beanstalk lead that "Jack and the Beanstalk" is 'closely associated with the tale of "Jack the Giant Killer"'. Our story articles now support only a slight association or two and I removed mention of Giant Killer from the Beanstalk lead today.
 * Fee-fi-fo-fum shows a relation between the two stories --literary, not folktales-- that we do not mention in either story article.
 * (I don't suppose this helps the template decision.) --P64 (talk) 19:07, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually if you want to separate the stories into smaller navboxes that is fine but as long as they're merged they should be fall under the common umbrella which is Jack (hero).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:49, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Jack in the hat
Jack and the Beanstalk now dons four WP:hatnotes, needs attention from a capable WP:milliner. --P64 (talk) 14:34, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Magical powers
Summary:
 * use these links: magic in fiction, paranormal, psionic
 * don't use these: magic(al) power(s), magical(ly)

Magical powers redirects to Magic (paranormal) which is about human Anthropology and Religion.

I visited all 11 articles that use the "magical powers" link and changed 7 targets to magic in fiction. Those seven articles about four fictional characters, one novel, one film, and one TV series. All use "magical powers" concerning anthropoid characters with superhuman abilities. I suppose that most of the characters are treated as human within the fiction. It may be reasonable to call them "superhumans" for short.

Some of the superhuman abilities are called paranormal in the context of real human beliefs and practices, ranging form pseudoscience to religion to stage magic. Some are called psionic in science fiction and real contexts, I think. Perhaps editors writing about "magical" characters should consider linking to one of those articles.

At the moment we have 0, 4, more than 100, and 0 articles that link magic powers, magical powers, magical, and magically --all of which redirect to magic (paranormal). My ongoing examination of their use seems to show that they do need disambiguation so I anticipate that all will soon redirect to the disambiguation page Magic.

--P64 (talk) 19:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads-up
I submitted a WikiProject proposal for Project Vocaloid, which is, as the name implies, a project focused on Vocaloid-related articles, their improvement, and the addition of Vocaloid-related articles that currently do not exist. Since most Vocaloids in existence are fictional characters, such as Hatsune Miku, KAITO, Kasane Teto, or SeeU, I just came by to inform the project of its (potentially) being listed as a related project.

I wanted to make this an entirely new project because Vocaloid has many things related to it that would fall under several projects' jurisdictions. For example, Hatsune Miku (and other individual Vocaloids) would fall under this project's authority due to their being fictional characters, but pages like MikuMikuDance would fall under WikiProject Animation's watch, due to the software being a tool used for 3D animation, as well as being related to Vocaloid.

I just wanted to give the project a heads-up that it'll (potentially) be shown in the "Related Projects" section of another WikiProject.

Have a nice day! N  Studios   2  21:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Coronation Street character lists up for deletion
List of Coronation Street characters (1967), List of Coronation Street characters (1970), List of Coronation Street characters (1975), List of Coronation Street characters (1976) and List of Coronation Street characters (1977) have all been AFD'd (separately). It seems the reason is purely that there aren't many characters in each one. Is anyone able to expand or improve these articles? – anemone projectors – 09:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Dukes of Hazzard Deletion Purge
I feel many Dukes of Hazzard characters should be deleted if anyone wants to debate otherwise i have started with Bo Duke, Enos Strate and Coy DukeDwanyewest (talk) 01:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Cosplay Images
There have been debate for an regarding cosplay images. Previously discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 46 and WT:VG.it seems almost universal consensus but it just won't drop. The current discussion is here and I've voiced my opinion in all 3, it would be great if anyone outside these 2 groups would voice their opinions here:Wikipedia talk:Cosplay images in articles. Lucia Black (talk) 03:11, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That is inappropriate Canvassing. Please redact your personal bias before I do it for you.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you read WP:Canvassing? I brought the issue to a wikiproject's talk page that is directly involved.Lucia Black (talk) 04:30, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

List of Dark Shadows characters merger talk
I believe there are too many poor Dark Shadow characters and that they should be merged or deleted in order to discuss please go to Talk:List of Dark Shadows charactersDwanyewest (talk) 05:44, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Viz character purge
I have decided many of the Viz Characters either need to be deleted or merged if you wann join the discussion go to Talk:List of Viz comic strips.Dwanyewest (talk) 15:04, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I already expressed my support for merging these characters back in November 2012. Sad that nothing has happened since then. Fortdj33 (talk) 15:40, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Transformers
Is anyone here familiar with Transformers at all? I'm trying to get the character articles down to a manageable amount, and I was wondering which ones actually have the potential to become sourced articles. The ones off the top of my head are Optimus Prime, Bumblebee (Transformers), Megatron, Starscream, and Unicron. Are there any others that are likely? If I were to attempt to restructure those articles after chopping off the giant plot summaries, what would be the best layout? They all have like ten different versions, but I guess it would be better to just discuss the overall character archetype instead of splitting them by series like the current format. TTN (talk) 22:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You might try posting something on the WikiProject Transformers talk page, but there isn't a lot of activity on that project, so I don't know if you will get a response. I know that a lot of the Transformers articles are filled with unsourced fancruft, and I would be happy to help, but there are currently over 400 Transformers character articles, and I believe that more than the 5 you mentioned are notable. Fortdj33 (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Are all the Baywatch characters necessary?
Characters like Mitch Buchannon and CJ Parker seem unnecessary I understand proposing deletion is a futile so I am going to discuss a merger at Talk:Cast of Baywatch  Dwanyewest (talk) 02:28, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd actually say those are the only two that do warrant their own pages. As someone who never watched a single episode of Baywatch, those are the only two I've heard of, which suggests they might have more notability than the others. That being said, most of the other characters I'd say could be merged, though I would suggested merging all those characters pages and Cast of Baywatch into a new page called Characters of Baywatch. The cast page is basically a list of actors. A new characters page could serve dual purposes of listing the cast and including info about the characters that don't warrant their own pages. I moved my comments over to Talk:Cast of Baywatch to keep the discussion in one centralized place. —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  17:40, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television)
Hi all, just wanted to notify you all of a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) that will affect articles within the scope of this project. (Although the discussion is essentially about television episodes, it's also been suggested that the same is done for characters.) – anemone projectors – 11:38, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

WT:DAB
Proposal to establish new guideline on treating franchises, characters, and such as broad concepts or primary topics is made. Feel free to weigh in. --George Ho (talk) 04:50, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Druids_(Shannara)
We seem to have a content dispute between two editors involving the removal of parts of an article on a group of characters in a set of fictional novels? The discussion is centering around the need for external reliable sources and notability of the characters outside the genre. Would very much appreciate any editor on this WikiProject who might be willing to have a look, and consider offering an opinion on the matter. The discussion is here: Talk:Druids_(Shannara). Cheers. N2e (talk) 03:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Druids_(Shannara)
We seem to have a content dispute between two editors involving the removal of parts of an article on a group of characters in a set of fictional novels? The discussion is centering around the need for external reliable sources and notability of the characters outside the genre. Would very much appreciate any editor on this WikiProject who might be willing to have a look, and consider offering an opinion on the matter. The discussion is here: Talk:Druids_(Shannara). Cheers. N2e (talk) 03:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)