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October 2008 Roll Call

 * 1) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  Greg   Jones   II  22:14, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) PresN (talk) 04:46, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 12:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Goal: 50 Featured and good articles before the New Year
We are really close, with Nobuo just passing, and two Music of articles in the que, so that means we should pick seven articles to get to FA or GA by the new year. Suggestions? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm planning on getting FF7 to at least GA status. I'll be working on it during the summer. The Prince (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Bringing Final Fantasy III and Final Fantasy VII to GA status would help bring back the FF featured topic. Kariteh (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If anyone knows of any references we can use to bulk up FFIII, post it here, that has been the biggest problem restoring it. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps FFIII DS and FFIII should be merged. It wouldn't completely resolve the lack of sources issue, but it would be a good first step. Final Fantasy III (Nintendo DS) is GA despite having no Gameplay section at all. Kariteh (talk) 20:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what I've been thinking about. I think it's a great idea. The Prince (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I totally agree, lets do it, it has been long since discussed and there has been no opposition. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Any other ones to propose? I think I still want to work on My Life as a King, so that will probably be my contribution. So that makes for more to go...don't be shy! PresN, I'm sure you have four that you'll be working before the new year :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, I will. I've been busy with work, but I've got the two that are stalled at GAN, the compilation albums that needs a bit of cleaning and to be sent to FLC, and then I'm on to Music o' FF1/2 and 7, and maybe discography of the Black mages. I'll do my bit! --PresN (talk) 17:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

With some guidance (and borrowing direction from FFIX's article), Final Fantasy VII (Famicom) is now a good article. I'm going to try and fix up the Final Fantasy Legend articles now.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Music of the Final Fantasy Tactics series is now GA'd. --PresN (talk) 16:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Discography of Final Fantasy XI
 * Final Fantasy III
 * List of Final Fantasy compilation albums
 * Discography of Final Fantasy VII
 * Discography of Final Fantasy I and II
 * Cloud Strife
 * Final Fantasy VII


 * Final Fantasy (video game)
 * Final Fantasy Legend
 * The Black Mages discography
 * Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a King

Here is a list of the articles that are currently being worked on in some form. Let's do it, we can get 50 GA's and FA's, which would be quite an achievement! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've merged FFIII DS. (It actually had a gameplay section, but a vandal deleted it and it went unnoticed.) Anyway, the FFIII article looks quite bigger all of a sudden, though it still needs some work. Kariteh (talk) 18:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Since that was a GA, I added Tactics A2 to our list to work on :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Adding this list, since people should know about PresN's work. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Gary King has nom'd FF3 for GA. --PresN (talk) 14:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And it's back to GA status! And truth be told, it is a much much better article than it ever was before, it makes me dream of featuring it if we could just get original japanese reviews from the time, more reception, more development...Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Current Status: 11 FAs, 1 FL, 33 GAs = 45 total. 5 to go! --PresN (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I added the discography of VII since the character classes article is going to probably be de-GA'd and merged into Common elements per our discussion here. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

2 more GAs, we're up to 47 FA/FL/GA's now! --PresN (talk) 00:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * +1, at 48. --PresN (talk) 04:05, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Final Fantasy VII is back at GA status, one more and we have our 50 GA/FA! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * FF1 got delisted, so we're back to 48. --PresN (talk) 15:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not good...I'll be working on FFL some to finish it up for GA. Not too much left to add, just a lot of very tedious sourcing and wording for me to do. Btw, Final Fantasy VII is to be included on the next Wikipedia CD. I suggested here that Cloud and Aeris be included given they're GA and GA/A respectively. Might be good to toss support in so both will be in it alongside the game.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Another problem I've found is that nearly all the discography pages include links to ffmusic.info. It's a fansite and, while not necessarily incorrect, I don't know how they'd match up with the English release. I'm going to go through them, but it'd be helpful is others could search for new references as well. RPGFan has most of the CDs on the site, but I can't find othes. I wouldn't want these GAs lost for this reason, though. However, Discography of Final Fantasy I and II, List of Final Fantasy compilation albums and Discography of Final Fantasy VII don't have ffmusic.info references. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 16:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * FFmusic.info is only used as a ref for the Japanese tracknames (in general), and is provided only as a courtesy. A ref is unneeded there- the info could be cited directly to the album. I suppose they should all follow FF7's lead and only have a cite for the english tracknames, either to iTunes or RPGFan- I didn't get a complaint about that at the FAC. --PresN (talk) 16:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, we got close. The FF project is going to end the year at 47 GA/FA/FL's, 1 GAN, 1 FT and 1 GT. The main problem seemed to be the delisting of FF1, 2, and 7, of which only 7 has been restored, as well as the usual problem that most of us are in school and work on the project drops off a cliff as the semester progresses. Good job, everyone, regardless! We got a ton of new GAs/FAs this year! -- Pres N  22:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well might be worse for next year: RPGFan's all been shot down as a source on the VG project's sources page, and that affects just about every FF game that's currently at Featured status.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge to Common elements of Final Fantasy
Deckiller had this idea a long time ago, and I think it is a good one; take Common elements of Final Fantasy, and put Final Fantasy magic, Minigames of Final Fantasy, Monsters of Final Fantasy, Recurring character names of Final Fantasy, and Final Fantasy character classes into it and rename it Gameplay of Final Fantasy. None of these article are strong on their own, and perhaps one overarching article would be able to get GA or FA status. True, the character classes article is GA, but I'm not sure it should be anyway. Thoughts? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't this article become extremely long. I'm not against the idea (in fact, I'm all for it if it's possible), but I'm concerned about the article's layout. In what order would all the topics be placed, and what content should be added from the various articles? The Prince (talk) 21:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it would be merged in that a few sentences, or maybe an additional paragraph from each article would be merged into the Common elements articles, but other than that, as most of the stuff in the articles we would like to merge is non notable, it would not be included, so the article wouldn't balloon in that way. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, perhaps we don't even need to rename the Common elements article, since as it is currently constituted, it would cover all of the topic in the articles listed, whereas a Gameplay of article would be more restrictive. Judgesurreal777 16:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See also User:Deckiller/Gameplay of Final Fantasy. Kariteh (talk) 16:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts/objections, or can we do this long overdue merger? :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead. No need to delay the process. There are no objections and I doubt that anyone can find any good arguments to prevent the mergers taking place. The Prince (talk) 21:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have an even better (I think) idea. Why don't we just put individual mini-games in their respective main game articles? I've already started with Final Fantasy IX, and it would not be that hard to complete.--BigBossIX (talk) 19:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that is a good idea. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, feel free to use that Gameplay of Final Fantasy as a base for a mega gameplay article. &mdash; Deckiller 17:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think we have a rough consensus to do the merge of these articles into the Common Elements articles... and I don't even know where to begin it will be such a big project :) HELP! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer "common elements of Final Fantasy" over "gameplay of Final Fantasy", as things such as recurring names, recurring songs, recurring class / job aesthetics and recurring plot elements aren't really part of "gameplay". -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 06:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * True, so even though the Gameplay draft Deck made way back when is a great model for us to use, the Common Elements article is probably the one to merge all this stuff to. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 06:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

(Deleted my comments above) Actually, a google search and a re-jogged memory gives me a much more pessimistic view; clearly I had been out of the loop for a while. If good sources could have been found, then they would have already been found (two years, after all). Unfortunately, this changes my view drastically; if few good sources for real-world content can be found, I may even propose merging the common elements article into the main Final Fantasy article, perhaps along with all the gameplay articles. That might be a little unwieldy and difficult to work into a featured article. We can start by listing a bunch of reliable sources for this content. &mdash; Deckiller 13:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Compilation of available sources
Please add to this list. It's scraping the bottom of the barrel, but it might be material to work with. &mdash; Deckiller 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * http://au.ps2.ign.com/articles/756/756635p1.html - "The Evolution of Final Fantasy" from IGN &mdash; Deckiller 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.gamespot.com/features/vgs/universal/finalfantasy_hs/sec2.html - "The History of Final Fantasy" from Gamespot (Common elements) &mdash; Deckiller 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,18/section,114/ - "World of Final Fantasy" from Mobygames &mdash; Deckiller 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=... - Videogames and Art has two short paragraphs about FF common elements - Kariteh (talk) 16:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * - History of Final Fantasy from Virgin Media. Gets into some common elements info in the middle. &mdash; Deckiller 05:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * - Britannica mentions some common plot elements. Kariteh (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

All Sounds of SaGa seems misplaced
Currently the redirects point it to SaGa, but there's a few gaping problems with that, notably the fact it covers only the three Legend games and none of the others, making it a representative for less than half the games mentioned there. Could it be possibly split off into something like SaGa series soundtracks or such? (There were ones done for SaGa 2, Romancing SaGa 2, Romancing SaGa 3, Saga Frontier, Saga Frontier, and Unlimited SaGa that I know of). Reviews should be locatable for the other games.

Route B would be to suggest giving it its own article again by itself using the reviews I did manage to find as support, but sadly there's not much to go on besides reviews (no development info turned up regarding the tracks).

Any ideas?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed that too. Unfortunately, unlike the Final Fantasy series, there weren't numerous albums produced for each game or numerous compilation albums for the SaGa series. From what I've seen, each game pretty much has one album (except the original trio, which is on that particular disc), and some of them are mentioned in the individual articles (SaGa Frontier, Unlimited Saga, etc.). Perhaps All Sounds of SaGa could go in only one game's article (The Final Fantasy Legend perhaps) and the other two game articles could have a link to it, See also: All Sounds of Saga, or something similar. ~ Hibana 04:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, each of the 'Romancing' games had an arrange disc, SFII had a piano disc, and Minstrel Song had an OST. Plus there were a few tracks from SFII on a piano compilation CD by Hamauzu (with different performance and arrangements than the other disc). So there's quite a good bit of musical releases from the series -- 11 plus the Hamauzu disc, if I count right. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's well enough to warrant a List of SaGa albums article. Kariteh (talk) 14:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What should be done about the tracklists for games like SaGa Frontier? If we create this article, should the tracklists remain in the individual game articles, or should we move them? ~ Hibana 21:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Although it's not formalized in any guideline (yet?), I believe tracklists and album infoboxes should be moved to the music article when it exists, since they pertain to the actual album rather than the game in itself. Kariteh (talk) 21:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Well I got the liner notes for All About SaGa, and they seem to go into great detail...could use some help fully translating them (which I need to for the guy that tossed them to me x.X). Also got at least two reviews of the soundtrack, and it was partially re-released with SaGa 2 as just the songs from that game. So I should have enough for a stand alone article (I have nada on the other soundtracks at the moment). Kickers are...what are the requirements for at least a GA soundtrack article? And also, anyone fluent in Japanese willing to help with the liner notes so I can give the fellow a full translation? I should be able to get the rest of the content from it if I return the initial favor (and it would help to make the article count towards one of our GAs to boot if it can get there).
 * Said notes for anyone interested.


 * Reqs for a GA soundtrack article- copy straight up from the FF music articles or the chrono music article. You'll need a section on the album(s), with the date(s) released, the composer/producer/artist, the tracklist, etc; a reception section with multiple people talking about it (RPGFan is always a good spot to start), and, if at all possible, a development section.  This can be tricky, though having the liner notes can help if they said anything useful in it. If the other sections are meaty enough, sometimes you can let the devel section slide.  Hit me up if you need any help. --PresN (talk) 16:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I've created a stub of Music of the SaGa series per other articles such Music of Kingdom Hearts. I've placed it under WikiProject Square Enix only. Please help expand this article using any resources you have (album liner notes, websites, etc.) ~ Hibana 04:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy GA review
I've started a GA review of Final Fantasy (video game) due to multiple reference concerns. It was made GA in 2006, so it's probably a good idea to look it over again in any event.  Pagra shtak  21:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * When one is done, review Final Fantasy II, which is actually weaker. When that is done, the topic will be very strong. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Here are the references that are questionable, and I thought I would post them here so we can go through and see which ones would stand up to, say, FA standards; forgive my ignorance on some of them, but I just don't know, and I want to be sure:

Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ http://www.developmag.com/news/28960/Sakaguchi-discusses-the-development-of-Final-Fantasy
 * http://ffx.sakura.ne.jp/ff1.htm
 * http://www.gamershell.com/playstation/final_fantasy_origins/review.html
 * http://www.gamevortex.com/gamevortex/soft_rev.php/1283
 * ✅ http://www.ugo.com/channels/games/features/finalfantasyiandii/review.asp
 * ✅ http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=1750
 * ✅ http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/reviewArt.cfm?artid=4299
 * ✅ http://www.japancorp.net/Article.Asp?Art_ID=6612
 * http://kotaku.com/gaming/psp/final-fantasy-i--ii-grind-on-psps-this-summer-253133.php
 * ✅http://www.mcvuk.com/news/29187/Final-Fantasy-ports-to-hit-PSP
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20060202001010/http://news.gaminghorizon.com/media/1042257669.html
 * http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0817328/
 * I've marked with ✅ the sites which I think are okay... We definitely need more input about this though. Kariteh (talk) 16:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hurray! Thanks Kariteh! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Now the article needs reliable sources added and a bunch of copyediting, so if anyone is free... :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Gaps in the FF music topic
I think the following albums/singles are missing from the discography articles:
 * Final Fantasy IV Original Soundtrack (DS version)
 * Done, in the DoFF4 article, as a version of the ff4 ost. --PresN (talk) 16:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * "Tsuki no Akari"
 * Done, it's in the same section as the above, only it's called by the English translation "Theme of Love". --PresN (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, should we create a Discography of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series? It would include the 3 discs listed in the FFCC articles, and the soundtrack of FFCC:Ring of Fates. Kariteh (talk) 18:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * More Friends: Music From Final Fantasy Original Soundtrack (not the one that has 13 tracks)
 * Fantastic Wave: Final Fantasy Sound Fair
 * A bunch of promotional discs listed in the previous link: FFVIII promo CD, Melodies of Life promo CD, Crisis Core special disc, and Dissidia special disc.
 * Yes, we should make a Discography of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series article, it practically exists in the FFCC page as a subarticle. --PresN (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've created a stub for the FFCC discography. Kariteh (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice, good job. By the way, where would those singles/promotional disks go? The List of compilations? List of Final Fantasy singles? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Resurrecting the Final Fantasy X/X-2 Topic
There are enough FA's and GA's to pass this back through the Featured Topic candidacy, but these four articles need to either be merged or brought up to GA status;
 * Spira (Final Fantasy) - Merge into Final Fantasy X? Doesn't seem that notable
 * Characters of Final Fantasy X and X-2 - Get to GA
 * Rikku - Merge to Characters article?
 * Yuna (Final Fantasy) - Get to GA?

How does that sound for a plan? It would get our other featured topic back. Thoughts? Changes?Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If no concept/creation/reception notes cane be pulled up for Spira merging is the best option. The character list just needs more third party sources, references, and maybe some editing. Rikku should deffinately be merged and Yuna...Yuna is a pretty notable character. Her concept and creation section should, if possible, be expanded on and given more references. The appearance sections needs to be drastically minimized; I can help with this if anyone wants me to. The reception section should also be expanded, perhaps with merchandise, too. Seems like a good plan to me. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 00:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we should still search for sources for Spira. World of Final Fantasy VIII is GA; it seems curious that an article on a more "developed" world like Spira couldn't reach the same class. Spira is culturally very influenced by the real world (especially Eastern Asia), unlike, say, Gaia the world of FFVII. Kariteh (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, that World article might as well not be a GA (and the main article/Characters of FFVIII need to be delisted as well), since you have an issue with the source because it's through a fansite. I'm done with rolling the stone up the endless hill; sorry guys. My efforts are better placed in other, more stable areas of the encyclopedia. &mdash; Deckiller 03:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked over your FFVIII featured topic, and it looks really good, I think your underestimating the long lasting nature and quality of the work you did. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:55, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Japanese names
Is there any template more specific than Globalize/Eng which could be used to mark articles which are missing some Japanese names? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 02:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Adding article classification
Can someone add the C class and the Featured List class to our article classification list? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Done! Kariteh (talk) 22:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Also, could we add template, redirect, and category to our classification? Sorry to be a bother, but then we will have no more unclassified pages. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Never really wrapped my head around the redirect one. Is it needed? Usually when a page is a redirect either no template is put on the talk page or the talk page itself is redirected to the other article's talk page, as far as I've seen.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's used when you have a merge/redirect situation, where the now-redirected article had talk page discussion. Rather than throwing it out, you leave the talk page un-redirected, and put it under the redirect cat.  Pages that were always redirects don't get cat'd. --PresN (talk) 13:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Sephiroth (Final Fantasy)
After seeing this edit (which I agree with) I'm starting to wonder if this article ever has a chance of reaching GA status. I did a lot of research, but I could not find any development info about Sephiroth from a reliable source. What can we do about this? I know the character's reliable enough for its own article, but without a bigger concept and creation section, it's bound to never attain GA status. Any suggestions? The Prince (talk) 22:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we can look for translations of Ultimania guides, and reference the Japanese sources instead of the translations. Page numbers will probably be missing, but I think this is the kind of omission that doesn't prevent GA status (it would definitely prevent FA status though). Kariteh (talk) 22:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's strange that there is so little information on him...And it's not even like Zack, who is new enough to not have that kind of information. But, like Kariteh said, we should probably get some Ultimania information. I'm going to be buying the Reunion Files soon, and while it may not have much great information, I might still be able to pull up a few good refs. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 02:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate it if WPFF would assist me in keeping this article as accurate as possible and to revert any changes of Reverse Sephiroth back to the incorrect Rebirth Sephiroth. "Reverse" has been the official romanization for some time now - the easiset proof of which can be found on the card that comes with the FFCreatures since pictures of it are readily available. I really don't want to have to scan and potentially harm any of the books I have, but this has been going on for years. --96.230.27.53 (talk) 23:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy Discography articles
Discography of FF1/2 and 7 were promoted today, which means that officially, all of the "Discography of FF#" articles, from 1 to 12, are good articles, as well as X-2 and Tactics series! --PresN (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The most amazing turnaround in article quality since Guyinblack transformed the Kingdom Hearts articles...I cannot think of a big enough barnstar to give you for all that work! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, if you get the main FF music article to GA, and two more FA's, you could do a Music of the main final fantasy series topic, so it would include 1-12 only and wouldn't have to deal with the other ones (chocobo, tactic, crystal chronicles), and then later you could do a supplimentary addition and add all the rest of the final fantasy music articles. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Tell us what barnstar you want and it's yours by the way, you earned it! :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Barnstar of diligence, I suppose. It fits, and I don't have that one yet. --PresN (talk) 04:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to put them in one place, here are the remaining music articles;


 * 1) Music of the Final Fantasy series
 * 2) The Black Mages
 * 3) The Black Mages discography
 * 4) Dear Friends -Music from Final Fantasy-
 * 5) Project Majestic Mix: A Tribute to Nobuo Uematsu
 * 6) Tour de Japon
 * 7) Distant Worlds: Music from Final Fantasy
 * 8) Discography of the Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles series
 * 9) Discography of the Chocobo series

I don't want to step on your toes, after all these are your babies :), but I just wanted to think out loud;

You could merge Dear Friends, Tour, and Distant Worlds into a List of Final Fantasy musical tours and make that an FL. Also, you could merge the Black Mages Discography if it's not notability enough back to the Black Mages article. Then there would only be 6 articles left to make GA and then all the music articles would be complete :) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

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Featured and Good Topics
I think most people here already know, but WP:Featured topics has added on a new layer, WP:Good topics. GTopics is fundamentally the same as FTopics, except that there is no requirement for a minimum number/percent of FAs/FLs. As such, it is easier to attain- a string of GAs is enough. Currently, our only FT is Final Fantasy VIII, but Final Fantasy XII has now been nominated for GT. We are also only one GA (FF7) away from getting back our old FT, Final Fantasy Titles, and one GA (Music of FF) from getting a new GT, Music of Final Fantasy. If you see a topic that's close to being a GT, try working on it! Remember, all of the "game" articles except for 7 and all of the "discography" articles are at GA+, so that's a good start to any topic. --PresN (talk) 03:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm almost finished cleaning up FF7 and will send it to GAN once it's ready. BTW, as FFX-2 and Mystic Quest aren't a part of the main series, I think they should be excluded when we re-nominate the FT. This has previously been discussed here. The Prince (talk) 13:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, though that reminds me- we need to get FFXIII peer reviewed- since we have an article, it needs to be in the topic and peer reviewed, though since it's unreleased, it doesn't have to be GA+. --PresN (talk) 14:41, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * Just an FYI- The VG Project has created a page to track and assist with the preparations of the selected articles. Most, if not all, articles at User:SelectionBot/0.7/F-2 are also listed on the VG workshop page. Final Fantasy editors are welcome and encouraged to coordinate together to ensure the necessary articles are presentable. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC))

Advent Children
I've started working on this article again, trying to get it to GA status. I converted the table in the cast section to prose as that's the standard format in most film articles, at least the high-quality ones. I'm very inexperienced at editing film articles, and I was wondering if someone could lend me a hand in finishing the cast section. What I'm thinking is that probably not all the characters currently presented need to be there, just the important ones. Also, what information should be included for the individual characters? I added some content to the first 5 characters, but I don't know if it's any good. Any help would be appreciated. The Prince (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Gaia (Final Fantasy VII)
According to WP:V: if no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it. On the other hand, according to WP:N: if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. With these two standards, Gaia (Final Fantasy VII) is at risk of deletion.

I try not to let it affect my neutrality, but I'm a fan of the final fantasy series and think FF7 might be the best in the series. It would suck to delete this article because of sourcing problems. But I sincerely haven't had much luck finding sources. And when I look at good quality articles like World of Final Fantasy VIII and Ivalice, I have a hard time believing that this article is somehow going to be harder to improve.

I have a good faith belief that this article is salvageable. So I hope someone can give it just a little bit of attention, so we can at least remove the source tags. Randomran (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just as a quick aside, I know GA status takes a lot of work, and I don't mean to put you guys under more pressure than you're already under. But I'm convinced that there's one or two reliable third-party sources out there on this topic. Maybe someone more well-versed in the topic will have better luck finding them? Randomran (talk) 03:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

FF10 Featured Article Review
Final Fantasy X has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hydrokinetics12 (talk • contribs)
 * I'm going to hopefully work on this in the coming week. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Development history of the Final Fantasy series
I don't know about you guys, but I kind of really want to kill this article. The result of the AFD was "keep and cleanup", but reading the comments and rationales for the keeps followed two lines of thought: 1) spinning stuff out to a separate article is acceptable, when appropriate, and 2) the information is good and should be kept somewhere. My rebuttal is that, in this case, it is not appropriate to split the articles because the development information is more suited to staying within their respective FAs ("every development section is distinct, and really has no value in being compiled together" -User:Randomran). The info certainly should not be duplicated as it is now between the main articles and this one (aka WP:CFORK) and the better option would be to leave them in their separate articles and have Final_Fantasy serve its purpose as a concise overview of large trends in development style/method. If I find I'm not completely alone in this opinion, I'm going to take it to WP:DRV. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you; there's not much additional info that the article could have over just a dozen distinct game developments, and what there is is better covered in the series article. --PresN (talk) 03:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Note — There is a discussion about the impact on other articles as well as a possible renomination of the article to AFD on the WikiProject Video games talk page here. MuZemike ( talk ) 17:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think DRV is appropriate here: that's for procedural objections. The admin closed it properly -- there's no consensus to delete it, and probably consensus to keep it but "clean it up". I might suggest being very aggressive with the clean-up: turning it into a disambiguation page that links to each section in the original articles... or turning it into a summary of the major milestones in the series' development, instead of a compilation of a bunch of sections from disparate articles. We're simultaneously discussing it here. Re nominating it for AFD with a more comprehensive set of arguments would probably be more appropriate than DRV. But if we can clean it up without going to one of those processes, then I think we should. Randomran (talk) 17:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ack, sorry for splitting discussion across multiple pages. I'm going to ask everyone here to head over to the discussion MuZemike mentioned at WP:VG. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Got it! Let's continue this at this discussion page. Randomran (talk) 21:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy box arts
This has probably been discussed several times before, but I've noticed that most of the games in the main series uses the NA box art, but FFIV, FFVI, and FFXII uses the Japanese/PAL cover. I think it should be consistent, i.e. every game either has North American box art or Japanese/PAL. I'm neutral as to which box art is used, but here are some pros anyway:

NA box arts:
 * Features the main characters and is more descriptive to the article's text.

JP/PAL box arts:
 * The games are first released in Japan.
 * Every continent except NA uses this box art and is the most commonly used.
 * It shows Yoshitaka Amano's distinctive art style.
 * Several games weren't originally released in NA (FF2, FF3, and FFV).

All in all, it seems the JP/PAL box arts have more advantages, but to be honest, I don't care about the outcome, as long as it's consistent. Any thoughts? The Prince (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Go for Japanese, if only because I like Amano. --PresN (talk) 01:55, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I would go for Japanese as well, but if it were up to me, I prefer using the Logo instead of the box art. &mdash; Blue. 15:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A question: Are there good reasons for not including both? I'm sure I've seen like albums or DVDs or books where the infobox starts with the original cover, then lower they have like a re-release cover typically if it's significantly different. Just a thought. umrguy  42  17:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There's the best reason -- WP policy doesn't allow it, unless there's specific discussion of the alternate art in the article (I can't think of any FFs where this would happen). ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 18:07, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * As per WP:NFCC, two or more images of covers in the article is unfortunately not possible. Blue, I like your idea of only using the logo, as it's the only thing that stands out in the Japanese box art. It would be similar to using so-called "clean box arts" in several Halo articles (e.g. Image:Halobox.jpg, Image:Halo2-cover.png, Image:Halo 3 final boxshot.JPG). I know it's what the FF wiki uses, and I must say it looks good . The Prince (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

December 2008 Roll Call

 * 1)  Greg   Jones   II  01:39, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) PresN (talk) 03:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4)  umrguy  42  15:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment: Talk:Final Fantasy character classes
IMO Dancer should get its' own section. Also, does this project or the Square Enix project have its' own RFC or notice board? -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 02:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Masashi Hamauzu
I've finished my work on this article and I believe it's of GA quality. Does anyone have any comments about the article before I nominate it for GA? I appreciate any pointers I can get. And as for unreliable sources, RPGFan and Square Enix Music Online were the only websites that provided the content I cited. Generally, this wouldn't be acceptable, but I think since it's such a limited scope, it should be okay for gaming composers. The Prince (talk) 20:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * My suggestion would be to add a picture--a GA article should have a picture, if it's possible. Considering it's a person, I'm sure there is one somewhere. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 01:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I haven't found any free use images of him, and fair use images are not allowed for people. The Prince (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The article has now been nominated. The Prince (talk) 19:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, then that's fine. Good luck! WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The article passed! The Prince (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Discography of Final Fantasy VII Peer Review
I'm going to take a second run at FAC with this article, so I've nominated it for another peer review here. Any comments would be helpful! -- Pres N  22:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Square Enix is inactive, Final Fantasy not as much
Obviously this project is doing well for WP; even though there isn't much activity on this page, there are tons of good/featured articles about. Square Enix articles in general seem to get pretty high up there, but I don't think the Square Enix project really helps much any more, as people can't even get responses on it's talk page. Due to the level of activity on the pages, I am wondering if anyone would maybe think about considering merging the two. This project is actually older than SE, and has more activity, but SE has a broader scope that completely encompasses this project. To be honest I just don't see a need to spread it this thin. SE could be moved to a task force of WP:VG, but I don't think it'd accomplish much, if everyone's over here anyways. My thinking is, because of the scope, this project would be better served to merge into that one, though either way works. It's great for someone to have a place to ask a question about a Mana article, but it doesn't help much if nobody answers them. I can see no harm coming to the focus or drive of this project in that kind of merger, as the two topics are so closely related anyways.

So hopefully nobody gets too upset, I'm just offering my opinion. Regardless, you guys are doing well and it's appreciated. ~  JohnnyMrNinja  23:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * (Sorry for taking so long to reply!) It's an interesting idea...But I'm just not sure how it would work out. The FF Wikiproject draws in people who like FF, who may have an appreciation for other Square Enix titles, but are primarily interested in this series. And this is also why others join. I'm not sure how others would take the merge, though I do agree that Wikiproject SE isn't doing to well in the case of activity. Really, though, there are only a few active members working on this project anyway. A lot of people are able to start working again in the summer when college/school is out. Maybe it will be the same at Wiki. SE? Personally, I think that there aren't enough active editors to reach consensus at this time. Maybe bring it up again during summer when this project becomes active again? It will also give time for Wiki SE, to see if editors come back again. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)