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Dry riser article
The dry riser article should be merged with the Fire Sprinker System. In the US, the terms standpipe and riser are exclusive. A standpipe supplies water to a hose system, whereas a riser supplies water to a sprinkler system. This should be resolved with the existing Dry systems section at the Fire sprinkler page. Fireproeng 15:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC) (Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dry_riser")

As per talk page, this merge has not happened and the article has been renamed (moved) to Riser (firefighting) as it was covering both wet and dry risers; but was not related to sprinkler risers. NexusQuile (talk) 21:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Master plan?
I think in order to fix up some of these articles, we need to come up with a master plan. Right now, we have some articles that could be merged, and some that need to be re-positioned. For one thing, fire alarm needs some work, as it most specifically discusses notification appliances and thus should be positioned as such and reworked for that.

Improvement and changes in technology for fire fighting have historically have been opposed by firefighting personnel, management and politicians. The steam engine was invented in 1712 and was used to pump water out of English coal mines, but it was not until 1830 that the steam engine proved its worth in putting out fires in England so well that fire fighters rioted and destroyed the steam driven firefighting apparatus. It was not until after the Civil War in the United States (reference needed) that steam power was implemented over the objections of firemen themselves by the city council of Cincinnati, Ohio in 1868.

There has been a "revolutionary" improvement in firefighting says the inventor William Anderson of Bogart, Georgia of a patented process for turning liquid carbon dioxide or compressed carbon dioxide into tiny dry ice pellets in the field avoiding the need for dry ice pelletizing machines and dry ice pellet storage which has been improved to 24 hours without the pellets annealing into a block by placing the tiny, dry ice pellets in a plastic bag and covering this sealed bag of tiny dry ice pellets on all sides with free "sacrificial" dry ice pellets  See YouTube, "Earth Guard Technologies" running time 8:08 in which tiny, dry ice pellets are dropped by helicopters in 1996 according to the time stamp on the video to put out ragging oil and diesel fuel fed fires in seconds.

William Anderson is secretive and refuses to submit newspaper articles or patent numbers rferrences to inquiring Wikipedians saying that he is about to win large scale commercialization in late 2016 or early 2017. William says he will be incorporating in Switzerland as Earth Guard and will have good funding for his dry ice pellet dropping system for fire suppression which he says has been demonstrated in Saudi Arabia and Australia and soon will be demonstrated to China.

The use of tiny, dry ice pellets to put out fire was made possible by the invention of tiny, dry ice pellet making machines in 1989 by Alpheus Technologies LLC of Rancho Cucomanga, California under a contract by the nuclear power industry to develop uniform tiny, dry ice pellets to "ice blast" the corrosion from the primary coolant loops of nuclear power plants without a complete shut down and without the accumulation of radioactive sand and is now used most often in industry to remove grease.Timothy Beck of Torrance (talk) 21:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

In April 1992 Arco Marine Inc.(AMI) contracted with Research and Technical Services Company (RTSC) to investigate the oil solidifying properties of tiny, floating dry ice pellets on oil and water. The video summary on this research project is at YouTube. " Oil Spill Freeze Salvage" and "Oil Spill Solution" with the written references, "Zapping Oil Spills with Dry Ice and Ingenuity" L.A. Times 2/24/1994 which talks about two new types of cartridge type, hand held, carbon dioxide fire extinguishers and "Could a Freeze Gun Put Flames on Ice" by Xantos Peabody in the L.A. Times, local section B3, September 2002. Timothy Beck of Torrance (talk) 21:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Timothy Beck of Torrance (talk) 21:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timothy Beck of Torrance (talk •Timothy Beck of Torrance (talk) 21:24, 12 June 2016 (UTC) Timothy Beck of Torrance (talk) 04:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Thoughts? SchuminWeb (Talk) 06:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Fire Protection
This section appears to be made up entirely of UK and AUS contributions. Furthermore, the photo of a heat detector appears to be a burglar alarm component.

Fire Service
Is there any interest in expanding this Project to include more of the fire service. There are many articles which could fall under a Fire Service WikiProject. Any interest? Let me know!--Daysleeper47 21:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * List them in here. I'd love to see it.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * What I had in mind includes but is not limited to:
 * Famous Fires - includes both wildfires and structures
 * Cocoanut Grove fire
 * The Station nightclub fire
 * Cedar Fire
 * Fire Departments
 * Arlington County Fire Department
 * New York City Fire Department
 * Northern Ireland Fire and Rescue Service
 * Fire apparatus and related
 * Fireboat
 * Seagrave Fire Apparatus
 * Turntable ladder
 * Fire Service tools and terms
 * Backdraft
 * Hook ladder
 * K-tool


 * Some of these are already tagged as belonging to WikiProject Diaster Management, but that is clearly not entirely appropriate. This project could easily act as a cousin project (I am a member of that Project). Some things like the stub template already exist. Thoughts? --Daysleeper47 05:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Expanded Topic List
Hi. I just came across this project for the first time. I am currently a Fire Protection Engineering student at Worcester Polytechnic Institute. This semester, in our Building Firesafety class, each student (33 in all) was assigned a topic related to the course subject. The assignment was to write a paper on the assigned topic and to post it as a wiki to a program called SourceForge. Throughout the semester, each student was required to read each wiki and to contribute in some way. We are now in our final week of class and each student is expected to clean up their wiki for a final grade by Sunday, Dec 10. This means that there will be (theoretically) 33 wikis that could be incorporated into Wikipedia and that fit perfectly into this project.

Some of the wikis were written by foreign students for whom English is a second language; some were not completely exhaustive of the given subject; and some are duplicates of topics that already exist in Wikipedia (and may have used Wikipedia as a resource). Therefore, there is probably a good deal of clean-up that would be required before they could be incorporated. Of course, if this is what you enjoy doing...

In any case, our professor, Dr. Jonathan Barnett, did mention early in the semester that he was considering contributing the best wiki(s) to Wikipedia. You might want to contact him about that. His email address is jbarnett@wpi.edu.

FYI, here is the topic list:
 * 1) Aspirating Smoke Detectors
 * 2) Atria Egress Issues
 * 3) Atria Smoke Control
 * 4) Basic Automatic Sprinklers
 * 5) Basic Computer Modeling for Building Firesafety Design
 * 6) Basic Egress Systems
 * 7) Basic Gaseous Suppression Systems
 * 8) Basic Heat Detection
 * 9) Basics of Explosion Protection
 * 10) Basic Smoke Detection
 * 11) Basic Structural Fire Protection
 * 12) Building Exit Stairways
 * 13) Designing Against Terrorism Caused Fires
 * 14) Designing Buildings for the Fire Service
 * 15) Detecting Fires in Large Spaces
 * 16) Designing for Arson Caused Fires
 * 17) Dry Pipe Automatic Sprinkler Systems
 * 18) Fire Alarm Audibility
 * 19) Fire Department Fatalities Throughout the World
 * 20) Fire Department Suppression
 * 21) Fire Resistance of Concrete
 * 22) Fire Resistance of Steel
 * 23) Fire Resistance of Timber
 * 24) Full Scale Smoke Testing
 * 25) Historic Overview of Conflagrations
 * 26) History of Fire Fighting Appliances
 * 27) History of Fires in Assembly Occupancies
 * 28) History of Fires in Tall Buildings
 * 29) Horizontal Exits, Dead Ends and Common Path of Travel
 * 30) Pre-Action Sprinkler Systems
 * 31) Portable Fire Extinguishers
 * 32) Residential Fire Problems
 * 33) Use of Elevators in Building Egress During Fires

--bc2586 17:52 EST, 6 December 2006


 * *drools* I love the idea! That would be a GREAT addition, as long as it's well-cited.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Great idea. Anything to help WikiProject Fire Protection! --Daysleeper47 03:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 23:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Title page
The first sentance of the Project Page refers to the scope being fire alarms. This isn't correct, is it? Shouldn't this be fire protection? Fireproeng 10:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the wording to read fire protection systems --Daysleeper47 23:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The project was originally called "WikiProject Fire Alarms", and later expanded its scope, with the related name change. It seems we missed something when we changed the name.  Thanks for noticing.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Fire sprinkler system
In order to eliminate confusion between the "Fire Sprinkler" and "Sprinkler Head" articles, and to align the definitions of both articles with modern terminology (e.g., NFPA), the title of the "Sprinkler Head" article should be changed to "Fire Sprinkler", and the title of the "Fire Sprinkler" article should be changed to "Fire Sprinkler System". But as I am new, I don't know how to get this accomplished.Fireproeng 22:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I moved Fire sprinkler to Fire sprinkler system to conform with the NFPA standard. Before the second move (Sprinker head to Fire sprinkler) can occur, any link which currently points to Fire sprinkler need to be changed to Fire sprinkler system. I will perform as many of those as I can on Monday and once complete, make the second move. --Daysleeper47 23:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Would anyone like to add a citation for the "required by building code in hospitals, schools, etc." tossoff in fire sprinkler system article. I think this deserves a citation to a building code.

Project directory
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Jockey Pump
Please refer to my 16 Mar 07 suggestion on Talk:Jockey pump, in which I suggest this very short article be incorporated into the Fire pump article. But I don't know how to get this accomplished.Fireproeng 17:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Fire alarm template
See Template talk:Fire protection for discussion on converting the template to a different format. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:30, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Bounding
I would appreciate the comments of the Participants of this WikiProject regarding the Bounding as a term discussion at Talk:Bounding. Fireproeng 06:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Four fire brigade articles for deletion
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Notice of List articles
Page(s) related to this project have been created and/or added to one of the Contents subpages (not by me). This note is to let you know, so that experts in the field can expand them and check them for accuracy, and so that they can be added to any watchlists/tasklists, and have any appropriate project banners added, etc. Thanks. --Quiddity 20:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * List of basic firefighting topics

Article assessment
We as the members of this project have not been active recently in accomplishing much. I would like to propose proceeding with article assessment. I'll wait a few days to see i anyone else want s to join in, and then I'll go ahead and assess a few articles to get things started. A good listing of assessment criteria is at Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment.

We may wish to also assign priorities to articles, but maybe we don’t have enough articles to work on, I'm not sure. Couldn't hurt, in my opinion. Fireproeng (talk) 00:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Standpipe article
The picture of the "standpipe" connection from Princeton University in the standpipe article is not a standpipe connection. I recommend that this be changed to a more accurate picture. What is pictured is actually a test header for a fire pump. It is used for testing purposes only. See NFPA 20 and 25 for more information on fire pumps and testing of protection systems. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.75.165 (talk • contribs)

Standpipes have "risers" to supply water to connections at each floor, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.75.165 (talk • contribs)

Building Emergency Control Organisation
I'm planning on putting together some photos and words for some articles that don't yet exist: Chief Fire Warden and Fire warden - members of a building Emergency Control Organisation, who have the right to direct people to leave a building in an emergency.

Warden Intercom Point - a telephone intercom by which a fire warden may speak to the chief warden manning the Emergency Warning and Intercommunication System.

I'm pretty sure that many of these terms will be local to Australia (where I'm a building's Chief Warden), or perhaps to Australia and Britain. Can anyone tell me if any of these articles already exist under other names, and also if anyone knows these by another name, as I'd like to write these in as non-parochial a way as I can manage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psud (talk • contribs) 11:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

A discussion
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Cooper Wheelock proposed for Deletion
Cooper Wheelock has been proposed for deletion at Articles for deletion/Cooper Wheelock. Given that the Fire Protection Template actually uses a Cooper Wheelock siren as its image, I thought that this WikiProject would be interested.Naraht (talk) 15:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Water Mist
Shouldn't there be something on Water Mist in here? it currently seems to be a small mention in the fire sprinkler system page, yet as I understand it, it's the major technique used on large ships and (as I understand it) in data rooms and the like. Amh15 (talk) 06:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the methods of fire suppression are sufficiently different from sprinklers such that Water Mist should have it's own page. Kilmer-san (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

is Fire protection not the same as Fire safety?
I am surprise to see that both entries are not linked to each other when the should be the same. I propose a merge. Opinions? Fire protection is the preferred term in USA and Fire safety in the UK, with other counties choosing theirs arbitrarily.Grein Grein (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Taking a quick look at the articles, it would appear that they're not entirely the same. Fire protection appears to be more building systems and designed-in features, while fire safety appears to be more about the human element of things.  So I see some merit in keeping the two as separate topics, though they certainly should be linked to each other.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 03:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I honestly agree with the last comment. I'm a nationally certified firefighter I and a firefighter evaluator in the US. The two things are not the same, but certainly have common ground enough that linking them together is essential.User:Ladymacbeth9 Ladymacbeth9 (talk) 07:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

List of missing fire-related topics
Can anyone have a look at this list of fire-related topics ? - Skysmith (talk) 12:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I seem to be unable to edit currently, probably due to the new restrictions but perhaps due to being somewhat new to the system. My question is reagarding joining the FP project and how to accomplish that I thought I had done. also there is a water flow test item that could stand some development with regard to the various types of water flow testing and the equipment used to accomplish it. I'm not seeing hydrant water flow testing in the mix and thats a serious oversight (unless I missed it somewhere. I don't have a lot of time but I'd like to give what I can to the community since I use Wiki for about everything  Ladymacbeth9 (talk) 20:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Stagnant
Decided to start contributing to Wikipedia since I've used it so much since its inception and haven't given back. I'm starting on a project I have the most expertise with only to find there hasn't been any recent action here. Is anyone currently working on this, and if so, where? Also, what is in need of the most work? I'll probably start with smoke detection and branch out from there. EEthug (talk) 19:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * What we really need most is some really solid sourcing on the articles. Many are really lacking in that area.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * That's where I will start then. I will probably be rewriting sections and sourcing the rewrites. Thanks :) EEthug (talk) 20:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Are product specifications considered reliable sources? For example, the product spec of a smoke detector to be cited on Smoke detector. It would greatly improve the quality and accuracy of some of these articles I am looking at editing. EEthug (talk) 19:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources are supposed to be independant of the article subject, so I don;t think so. But more importantly, citing detail such as specifications is usually not notable. Basically, we should be inlcuding information that is sufficiently important to be written about in journals, magazines, books etc. which have a history of fact checking and rigorous peer review, and concentrating on secondary sources. Kilmer-san (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion re "Firewall"
Readers here may be interested in contributing to a discussion at Talk:Firewall (computing). Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 16:13, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Fire Protection at Wikimania 2014
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Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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Worldwide view of this subject
Hello, I work for a steel fire door manufacturer based in Italy. I and came across this article finding it very US biased. I believe a more generic view with references to specific world-wide norms is required. Not necessarily US norms are representative for fire safety issues the world over.-- 11:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC) Dr. Florian Ilias

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User script to detect unreliable sources
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Proposal to merge WikiProject
Hello to any WikiProject participants 🙂 As the creator of a few firefighting-related articles, it is a shame Wikipedia at the moment has no active firefighting WikiProject, so I would like to change that. I am proposing to merge the currently defunct Fire Service and Fire Protection WikiProjects into one encompassing WikiProject Firefighting. I am prepared to do all the technical work to make this merge happen, but I wanted to ask first if there was any opposition to the change. I feel a united firefighting WikiProject would better centralize discussion on the topic, and would appeal to a larger/more active community. Any feedback is appreciated, and if none is received on this or the WikiProject Fire Service talk pages, the merge will go through in one week. Cheers!  Johnson  524  23:41, 17 December 2023 (UTC)