Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Archive 16

Category name for "Raw food"
The name and structure of Category:Raw food is being discussed here. Comments welcome. Fences &amp;  Windows  20:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Are articles on "Food Safety" within the purview of this WikiProject?
With reference to The Food Defect Action Levels. AshLin (talk) 04:37, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Very much so, but more in line with our Foodservice task force. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:24, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Edible Humpty Dumpty?
The article om Humpty Dumpty was tagged by a bot with WikiProject Food and drink as it is in Category:Eggs in culture, which is a subcategory of Food culture. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs, but I don't think Mr. Dumpty was put to that purpose, and in fact I see no comestible connotations whatsoever. Therefore I've removed the tag. --Lambiam 10:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Worcestshire sauce page
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post or what other action I might take - any advice welcome.

RE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcestershire_sauce This page makes no mention of the derivation of the sauce from Indian chutney (see http://www.indiacurry.com/faqhistory/hfaqworcester.htm) though some connection seems clear from the inclusion of tamarind among the ingredients. The article implies that Lea and Perrin created the sauce, sui generis, while other sources indicate that they were modifying a pre-existing Indian recipe. This seems to me an important omission.

Jhall251 (talk) 18:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

cast iron pots
I have a cast pot, it has a handle and spout, and a lid that does not come all the way off but moves away from the pot, I guest in order to fill with water or what. The handle looks like you could hang on something over a fire. It looks to be verry old. If some one can tell me the name of it I would be every so thankfull? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.162.20 (talk) 16:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's called a marmite. Chef Tanner (talk) 00:54, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

genuine canned polo holes
i have a tin,"genuine canned polo holes." accompanied with a letter saying that this was a runners up prize,in the great "whole lot of nothing competition" can anyone shed any light on this,date etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.187.173 (talk) 20:48, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

FAR for article Krill
nominated Krill for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.-- Cirt (talk) 03:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

San Francisco Creamery article needs project assistance
I recently removed a PROD from this one because I suspect it is notable. Could some foodie experts take a look at it and bring it up to speed. Thanks--Mike Cline (talk) 21:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Potential edit war that I want to avoid in the Market Kitchen article
Hello. A while back, a pretty new editor created a very raw article for the TV cookery show Market Kitchen. I did what I could with it, in terms of getting references, rewriting it to be more encyclopedic and applying the manual of style. That doesn't seem to have gone down to well with the original editor who initially simply blanked the page and is now just removing all of my changes and reverting to a version of their original article. So far, I've reverted them once, but I don't want this to turn into a war between me and this other editor - so I'd appreciate it if some other editors could add the article to their watchlists and help ensure that future changes improve it. Hopefully any reversions that are necessary will be less confrontational coming from someone other than me. Also, I'm sure it can be improved beyond what I managed to do with it. Many thanks. Maccy69 (talk) 00:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ajvar
Ajvar needs eyes. Unhappily, this topic is tangled up in the edit warring woes of Balkan nationalism. I'm going to note on its talk page that the topic falls under Requests_for_arbitration/Macedonia, so if anyone with background or willingness as to food editing would like to have a go at the article, please do. Gwen Gale (talk) 11:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

page inclusion, ratings
Hi, I just saw the article on V8 (beverage) and wondered, why does Wikipedia have an article on this? The only possibly encyclopedic section (according to me) is the history, but even that is probably marginal unless it is from a secondary source. I was going to nominate it for deletion until I saw that it was part of a project and it was marked high importance... then I looked and say Dutchie (pastry) is marked "Top" importance for this project. So I'm bringing up a question here: what are the criteria for including a commercial food item. I'm also making a comment that you might want to check you ratings against your ratings guide (assuming you have one). 018 (talk) 17:09, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Chips


There's something of a kerfuffle developed at the Chips article and it would be very helpful if any interested editors from this Wikiproject could offer an outside opinion. CIreland (talk) 18:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Image in hamburger article
I added http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buffalo_Burger_and_Fries.jpg to the article Hamburger. An editor reverted the addition because he thinks that the image is unneeded. I figured that hamburger should have some reference to it because it is a popular food in some states. Am I wrong in thinking that there should be at least one mention of this burger in Wikipedia? Joe Chill (talk) 03:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I removed the image because there are several image found in the article with a similar subject, and your addition was redundant. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 13:19, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Three of the images are the same type of burger. This is different. It would make sense to remove one of those pictures instead. Joe Chill (talk) 13:25, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What's your point? A hamburger in a bun looks much like a hamburger in a bun anywhere else in the world? What do you think this picture adds to the readers understanding of the article? As an aside, nice picture in the infobox - think it illustrates a hamburger very well, almost advert level! Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * My point is that there should be some mention of it. If not an image, then a sentence in the North American section. Joe Chill (talk) 13:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The Buffalo Burger is mentioned in the opening para of the section Hamburger. Personally, never seen one outside of North America, so wonder why its there and not in the North American section? But the Buffalo Burger does get a mention. Can't see the pic adds much (looks like a cooked meat burger in a bun), except a popular serving suggestion, ie: with fries. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand your point, I'll remove the image. Personally, it kinds of pisses me off that it's not mentioned in the section that most people would expect it to be mentioned in. Joe Chill (talk) 13:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Why not stick the pic in the article History_of_the_U.S._Hamburger (which looks a bit dull at present, could do with another pic), and start developing more material there on the subject? The main hamburger article is getting a bit big and cumbersome at present, and looks like one which will be culled down soon (again) to a better series of sub-articles, ie: where's the section on the chicken burger? I like your pic and think there is more to develop around the subject of the Buffalo Burger, I just think it presently it finds better context at History_of_the_U.S._Hamburger. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 15:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Buffalo burger. Joe Chill (talk) 18:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Banana split
Please, answer, if there is a difference between banana split and banana split sundae? Thanks in advance, --Zara-arush (talk) 16:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Not that I know of.--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 20:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles listed at AFD
Please contribute to the discussion (or even to the article if possible). Uncle G (talk) 09:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

RfC on Korean cuisine
I would like to invite all members to comment on a content dispute at the Talk:Korean cuisine page. This is regards to the inclusion of dog meat in the section and other issues. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 03:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Chicken Wings redirect to Buffalo Wings?
Apologies if this has been discussed repeatedly. But it seems very odd to me that chicken wings, which can be prepared any number of ways, redirect to buffalo wings, a very specific flavor of chicken wing. What was the reasoning behind this? 136.181.195.10 (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Coffee berry or Coffee cherry...
See discussion at Talk:Coffee. Input welcome. Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant
New article, relevant to this project. :) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant

Head Title of the 'Trolli' article
With all respect, I have a complaint concerning the title of this article. As a representant of the Trolli Firm based in Nuernberg Germany and member of the Mederer family, I, with all due respect, insist that the name of the article be changed to TROLLI Farley & Sathers Candy Company or TROLLI INC. This is because the actual Trolli company still exists as TROLLI GMBH by the Mederer family all over the world. We have firms in China, Venezuela, Germany, Czach Republic and Spain. Considering our products are sold around the globe, we would like the name TROLLI to represent its ture founders and current use. Thank you for understanding. The sooner the changes can be made the better. If there is a problem dont hesitate to contact me. Thank you for your comprehension Best Regards, Marie louise Mederer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maylu24 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * With due respect in return, and assuming in good faith that you are who you claim to be, Wikipedia is not a branch of your public relations agency. It is Wikipedia's policy to use the common name of a subject for the article title (see WP:COMMONNAME) and not to use unorthodox capitalisation of words unless they are by far and away the most accepted form of the subject's identity (see WP:MOSTM). Seeing as your own product packaging and official website use the form "Trolli" I see no reason to assume (I'm not German and have spent little time in any of the countries you mention) that the company and its products are widely known by a fully capitalised form of the word.  Pyrop e  19:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Sub page, edible Muktuk
It seems strange to comment here, but I wanted to comment on the sub page Muktuk, where it says "the word refers only to the edible parts of the whale's skin and not to the blubber." I believe this is a strange or misleading sentence. We, in Greenland and around the Arctic, most certainly eat the blubber, which contains many vitamins not otherwise found in the Arctic. Many joke that muktuk/mattak is not edible, but it is certainly not true.


 * I'm failing to see what you are on about here. The lead section of the article reads "Muktuk is ... frozen whale skin and blubber. Note that in some dialects, such as Inuinnaqtun, the word refers only to the edible parts of the whale's skin and not to the blubber." As Inuinnaqtun is apparently only spoken in western Nunavut and the Northwest Territories I don't see how the caveat given applies to Greenland.  Pyrop e  18:50, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Dog_meat and Talk:Dog_meat
Hi folks! We could really use your two cents on this one. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Relevant AFD - Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant
This article has been sent to AFD, discussion is at Articles for deletion/Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 21:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant

Question concerning checking an article (History of the hamburger) against B-class criteria
I created the article history of the hamburger a little over a month ago as a translation of its equivalent article on Spanish Wikipedia (which has featured article status there). I've finally gotten around to attempting to assess it (my best guess is B-class quality and Mid importance), and as I did so I noticed that the banner template assessed it as C-class instead and listed the B-class criteria it must fulfill to reach that next step. I've seen this template feature once or twice before, but I am not at all familiar with the process for checking articles against B-class criteria. I'm not involved with this WikiProject in any way, but I thought someone here may be able to help. Also, considering the source Spanish article has FA status, I'm somewhat optimistic that the translated English article can someday attain FA or GA status, and am curious if anyone here knows the best way to go about that for a food-related article (something, again, that I am not familiar with). Thanks in advance for any help or advice you are able to offer. Cheers! TFCforever (talk) 02:50, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * As you are the creator of the article, it would be inappropriate for you to rate the article. The B-checklist is simple, you add the code into the template form and answer yes to each of the questions. Like this:


 * I'll take a look at this later and give it a rating. However a quick overview shows that this should easily meet the criteria. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 07:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I really appreciate it. TFCforever (talk) 12:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The article is impressive. I just wonder if some content (like health) wouldn't be better in the Hamburger article. --Anneyh (talk) 12:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I took a look and it easily meets the B-Class criteria. Assessed as such. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 20:46, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

So many fruit butters...
I was on 'new page patrol' and came accross Birnenhonig, a new english page about the Swiss version of pear butter. Further looking produced Fruit butter and Apple butter. I'd be surprised if there weren't others like this on the English Wikipedia, but I haven't found any yet. Anyway, I wonder if I could get some help deciding whether to improve the different pages, or merge them into one Fruit Butter page that has the basic technique, the different fruits used and the regional variations. My opinion is to merge. I

It's possible that the details of Appelstroop and Sirop de Liège are not properly decribed yet in English either. There are some differences in the preparation of these foods, but in my tasting/cooking experience they are regional differences that could create one solid rounded out article. I'd be happy to work on something here, just need input on the best way to proceed. Nihola (talk) 03:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Polish Powidl and Hungarian Lekvar could join too... Before going for a merge, fruit butter can for sure get larger. --Anneyh (talk) 13:01, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Just have a question to whomever authored the Poppycock entry...
The entry on the snack food, "Poppycock", says it "...was invented by Arnold Rebane, a confectionary master and research scientist working for the Wander Company...."; however, the ConAgra website (http://www.conagrafoods.com/consumer/brands/getBrand.do?page=poppycock) attributes it as "...the brainchild of Howard Vair, proprietor of a small specialty candy store in Detroit."

Just curious,

24.153.162.158 (talk) 23:24, 7 August 2010 (UTC)Neon.Tango@rocketmail.com

Suggestion: Restaurants task force
Just a suggestion, though I am assuming it has been suggested before: since there is not a WikiProject Restaurants, I think this project may want to consider a Restaurants task force to focus on articles relating to specific restaurants and diners, etc. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The Foodservice Task force covers that subject. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 18:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Kaiser Semmel (and Vienna Process)
All kinds of things to fix here (which I'll do when time allows). The Kaiser Semmel was around long before Marie-Antoinette (and probably named for one of her ancestors) so it most certainly did not originate from any innovation in the 19th century. It is dubious too that Viennese bakers started using yeast in bread that late. Most of the big beer-drinking countries - England, Holland and I believe Austria - used barm pretty early on simply because they had a lot of it lying around. As for the "Vienna Process", at least two of its elements - the flour and the steam oven - were introduced to Paris by August Zang in 1839 - that is, before pressed yeast was invented. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dutch were ahead of the French here. The article on Baker's Yeast requires related fixes, not to mention a closer look at how its use proceeded in France. 69.237.41.52 (talk) 23:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Feel free to make any changes you feel are pertinent and particularly if such changes include citations to publicly available works, previews, and snippets. You'll probably find that I made a number of the changes that you feel are in error, and a close reading of the 90+ page reference I cited suggests that the steam oven may indeed have been an Austrian innovation, supporting your contention.  Currently, Vienna is the capital of Austria, reportedly becoming so in 1804, so there's a geographical nesting issue involved. Vienna references logically include the greater Austria, but would Austria references also refer specifically to Vienna (as capital city)? Nevertheless, in regards thereto I may have made an error of interpretation of Horsford's text. As far as the Kaiser Semmel, I believe the key phrase is the "sweet-fermented" modifier. As I read the modifier, it seems a not-so-veiled pH reference, particularly when contrasted against an alternate modifier such as "sour-fermented" (or sourdough or levain).  In fact, I noted another reference supporting that contention just recently, and I'm going over to Vienna bread right now to make a few changes and add that cite.  Feel free to review them! In the event there are conflicting stories regarding the asserted history, it may be preferable to present both points of view with citations so readers may dig deeper if they wish. In any case, others' recognition of an innovative product is in itself remarkable, such as that of the sweet-fermented "little rolls" of Vienna bakeries. Gzuufy (talk) 18:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:ELN discussion
There's a discussion on external links to a recipe site that may interest members of this Wikiproject. Please join the discussion at WP:ELN if you would like to participate. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 19:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting us know. I gave my opinion based on the fact that bobbinis-kitchen.com looks like the recent blog of two amateur cooks about German food and contains 6 main dishes and 4 desserts. --Anneyh (talk) 20:39, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Pony glass citation is incorrect -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_glass
Sorry, I have not contacted Wikipedia before and I'm not sure if I'm doing this correctly. But I was concerned -- the Raymond Chandler quote used

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_glass

is not in regard to a beer glass (of which there may be a "pony") it is in reference to a liquor glass. Chandler usually kept a bottle of rye in his desk (who would keep beer in their desk?). Referenced by the NY Times here:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/13/books/disciples-pay-homage-to-a-guru-of-gumshoes.html?ref=raymond_chandler

In standard bar measurement, a "pony" refers to a one-ounce glass. A "jigger" is 1-1/2 ounces. Reference here among others: http://www.webtender.com/handbook/measurements.html

K. McBurnie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.255.152.14 (talk) 18:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Picture Quality for Bärenfang
Hello all. I'm trying to resolve an issue that could potentially turn into an edit scuffle. It is about the picture quality for Bärenfang. If you all could please weigh in on this issue, I would appreciate it.

Talk:Bärenfang

Thanks! WDavis1911 (talk) 01:25, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Eggs Arnold Bennett
There is an article on Eggs Benedict in Wikipedia, but I know that there is another dish - a different one - called eggs Arnold Bennett. Could any one start an article on it, please? Many thanks, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The original name is Omelette Arnold Bennett. To me the mention in Arnold Bennett is enough, but if you think it is notable enough, feel free to make the previous link blue. --Anneyh (talk) 08:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Whitebeam
The Whitebeam article has been auto-tagged - I think it should be untagged - there is nothing edible here.

cheers Gaffer206 (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed the tag. If someone disagrees, feel free to re-add it, but I don't think we eat this tree. Regards, P. D. Cook  Talk to me! 20:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Nectacotum
The Nectacotum article claims 0 g carbohydrate being 4% daily intake, and has no units under Fat. I find it difficult to understand the biology that would lead to a seet fruit with no carbohydrate content whatsoever, and believe that this article needs the attention of somebody familliar with the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.45.143 (talk) 07:51, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Food and drink articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Japan
FYI, I just noticed this new task force of WP:JAPAN -- WP:WikiProject Japan/Food and drink task force. -- 76.66.200.95 (talk) 07:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * We'd love to have this be a joint task force; we have several other joint task forces with other projects, too. Please let me know if you are interested. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 07:22, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

So... should the WPFOOD banner add a "Japan=yes" parameter? (and perhaps a sushi roll for an image... or ramen, if the flag isn't used) 76.66.200.95 (talk) 08:14, 12 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No, There are too many food task forces and to include this one would require all of them to be added.--Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:11, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Gumbo
I've opened a peer review for the article Gumbo here. I welcome any comments. My goal is to bring this to Featured Article status soon. This is the first food article I have tackled, and I'm unsure how to judge its quality. I'd welcome any input. Karanacs (talk) 19:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)