Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Archive 3

Tiny Coke bottles
Hello all. I am trying to unravel a mystery, and any help among soft drink buffs around here would be greatly appreciated. The issue relates to the article Ambler's Texaco Gas Station and its mention of "tiny Coke bottles" being included on the interior as part of a restoration to the 1940s era. What is the significance of tiny Coke bottles, other than their being tiny. Is this just a case of journalistic embellishment in the source, or is there something I should know about tiny Coke bottles? Thanks ahead of time. IvoShandor 17:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Go ask Zuul, you Gozer worshiper. [[image:smiley.svg|20px]]
 * Could they be referring to the eight ounce bottles? According to a quick look through of my book on Coke bottle valuation that was the smallest size that CC produced. There were larger sizes made, 12 oz, 16 oz, .5 l etc but nothing smaller than 8 oz. - Jeremy (Jerem43 18:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)) Saw that movie more than a dozen times when it came out, I could recite Bill Murray's lines verbatim.

I was about 8 when it came out and I still remember it as one of the first movies I ever saw in the theater, the scene where they are in jail and talk about Shandor especially so. :) Thanks for the reply, you wouldn't have a link to a photo would you? I went to the station so I can compare them from memory, just so I know what they are talking about. Zuul ignored my request btw, still pissed off about my bizarre rituals intended to bring about the end of the world failing after WWI, can't say I blame him/her/it really. IvoShandor 18:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I found something here: COCA COLA BOTTLES and Reggie's Antique Coke Bottles, they are sale sites, and it appears that there were 6 oz and 6.5 oz sizes. - Jeremy (18:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)) Ray, if someone asks if you are a god, you say YES!

Notice of List articles
Page(s) related to this project have been created and/or added to one of the Contents subpages (not by me). This note is to let you know, so that experts in the field can expand them and check them for accuracy, and so that they can be added to any watchlists/tasklists, and have any appropriate project banners added, etc. Thanks. --Quiddity 18:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * List of basic cooking topics
 * List of basic nutrition topics
 * Portal:Cooking


 * Wow, I never knew there was a Portal:Cooking. Upon looking at it, it is very repetitious of the Portal:Food.  I may open a discussion of there for it to be "merged" with the Food Portal.  Thanks for posting that info. here.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 18:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See merge proposal here.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 18:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions of cuisine articles
As I have been reading up on Wikipedia policies, I came across something that I had assumed was improper about many of our cuisine articles. For articles that are specifically about a country, the title of the articles should state XXX of France for example. So in the example of France, it should be Cuisine of France as the article is about the cuisine of that country and not "French" cuisine outside of France. Please check the policy here, as such I think we may need to go through and change the articles because the articles are talking about cuisines of specific countries, such as Korean cuisine, Italian cuisine, etc. The articles that are about the cuisines outside of those countries are labeled as such for example American Chinese cuisine. This is likely to cause some stress with some which is why I brought it here first and will then do so for the other projects that support these articles as well.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see why articles on, for example, French cuisine couldn't include some information on French food outside of France. Same goes for Chinese food. However, American Chinese cuisine seems like something somewhat unique, since it has taken on a life of its own. It seems like it wouldn't really be worth the effort to move so many articles to gain so little extra clarity.
 * Peter Isotalo 11:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Besides which, there is the contradictory "principal of common names" to consider. Who talks about going for a "food of China" take-out? No, you say "Chinese". Similarly most other cuisine styles around the world are known by a single word denoting origin.  Pyrop e  14:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I see this as an alpha-omega issue- The Cuisine of France (Spain, Italy Swaziland) is about the history and evolution of the countries cooking styles and dishes. French Cuisine is how it is done outside of France. Sel de la Terre is good, but it is French style cuisine not the cuisine of France (that would be for you to tell Chris). Is the cooking of Chefs Yutaka Ishinabe and Hiroyuki Sakai the cuisine of France? No it is French inspired Japanese influenced cuisine. I went for Chinese when I was in Ireland (The article Cuisine of Ireland should never even see the light of day, and I am of Irish descent) and it was not Chinese food as I know it, it was good but, it was not what I would find in Chinatown here in Boston or in San Francisco either; probably not what I would find in Beijing either...

My opinion? Do one of both, xxxxx Cuisine and Cuisine of xxxx, explain how that particular style of cooking is modified in the various countries.

- Jeremy (Jerem43 20:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC))
 * Chinese cuisine is alittle different as it really is just an umbrella term. The food existed possibly even before the word "China" depending on the historical view or perspective. So "Cuisine of China" honestly wouldn't work.  What's worse is people may say today's Taiwanese cuisine isn't a Cuisine of China and the whole political talk comes up again.  Benjwong (talk) 05:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Foodservice
As much as I hate to suggest this, I believe that WikiProject Foodservice has all but been abandoned by everyone except myself and Jerem43. The other users have not made edits since either August or July and although I have revamped the main page, there has been no interest in the project and quite honestly I see no reason for it to exist separately from WikiProject Food and Drink and as Jerem43 and I were in agreement I thought I would make the proposal here properly before going ahead and disbanding the project, just in case there were any valid objections.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 07:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Ve coult alvays merge it in to sub-paje of dis vone, sort like Dr. Frankenstein (that is pronounced Fränk-en-schteen...) - Jeremy (Jerem43 07:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC))


 * Zat vood be zer WP:TASKFORCE option zen, ya?  Pyrop e  14:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * ya, Herr Doktor. - Jeremy (Jerem43 17:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC))


 * Alright there vampy ones lol. That was going to be the idea, does anyone know if this was a taskforce before?--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 19:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The project is now a mighty "Task Force." All items I think have been properly changed over.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

(waves as he passes through). As I've commented over on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Food_and_drink/Foodservice_taskforce I'd personally suggest that this would be better with a more international name, and more 'precise' focus, I suggest that it becomes the Restaurants Task Force or Project and fold the 'concepts' stuff back into the main Project. FlagSteward (talk) 19:03, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Chef
I would like to ask a few of you to come over to the discussion page for the Chef article as I have put up a WP:RFC and we are having an issue with an edit between the titles Executive Chef and Chef de Cuisine. I won't explain it here as I think to properly make a decision you might want to read the thoughts from the source. Thanks for you time for any who come and check it out.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 07:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Korean cuisine
I have an RFC up for Korean cuisine that is going unnoticed and would kindly request some of you to come over and give opinions on issues going on over there with edit waring and reverts on the topics of "dog meat consumption" and other issues. The edits have paused as I have asked for people to calm down a bit and let some opinions in other than the editors of note. I hate to bring in arbitration, so I would rather see some other people stop by first and give an opinion on the topics, thanks.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 12:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Never mind the last post, I took the time to read the entire pissing contest and found that it is a bloody mess. I put my opinion on the page and expect to be pillored any time now. - Jeremy (Jerem43 (talk) 07:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC))

AfD: List of misleading food names
can be found here: List of misleading food names. I don't necessarily think that we need to fight to keep this or anything, but I did want to bring it up; as I say in the AfD, I suspect it might have been lost at sea because it's been totally unconnected to Wikiproject Food and drink. I think that an interesting article could definitely be gotten out of it, both using the list and creating a new page to discuss the various linguistic, social and cultural ways that foods become misleadingly named. I'm also completely ready to accept that I am prone to being insanely random after I've been up all night.

Do we want to go with something like this, or should I withdraw my vote? --Thespian (talk) 12:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

TfD: Template:Infobox Burger King
I would ask that people take a look at this and comment on it. I am not looking for support and will be willing to accept what the consensus says should be done. the TFD entry

- Jeremy (Jerem43 (talk) 23:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC))

Notability of Sweet and sour calamari and Artichoke Crepe
While closing the AFD Articles for deletion/Chris Albano, I noticed that it was linked in two articles: Sweet and sour calamari and Artichoke Crepe. Sweet and sour calamari sounds like it's served in multiple restaurants, but Artichoke Crepe sounds like it's really only a Chris Albano creation. Does anyone think that either of these two articles are notable enough to stand on their own? If not, maybe an AFD or PROD is in order. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 17:01, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It "seems" like it is served in multiple restaurants, but even then, being served in 2-3 restaurants does not make a dish notable as another chef could just be copying another chef's recipe to serve on their menu, this seems the case especially with the calamari dish. As Chris Albano is mentioned in both articles (who would be non notable after a search that just brought up his blog and the promotion he personally does for it) it seems like it is likely he created both articles.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Category:Japanese citrus
There is a DRV discussion here related to the Japanese citrus category that may benefit from your input. Thanks. -- Jreferee    t / c  20:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Use a bot to tag talk pages with the project banner?
I brought this up months ago, but the bot's owner was on a wikibreak. I've once again contacted to see about using  to tag talk pages for food articles with the WikiProject Food and drink banner. No one objected last time (although one person thought I was creating too much of an assessment workload already, just tagging pages by hand). I think that having more talk pages tagging with the Project banner will eventually help to alleviate the article assessment load as more people are aware of and attracted to the project. But I wanted to keep everyone abreast of my actions, just in case there's any controversy.

Thanks, GentlemanGhost (talk) 02:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with this. I was trolling the user page of the dreadd Betacommand (Not to be confused with the Dread Pirate Roberts) and someone asked him to create a similar bot also. Jeremy (03:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC))


 * As before, I am all for it.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 04:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We've been doing it by hand so far; I didn't know it could be done by bot. How do you identify all food articles--just tag every article in the "Food" category or any subcategories thereof? Badagnani (talk) 04:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You can also do some rudimentary scanning; anything that starts out with 'Libnitza is a fruit grown in...' and such can also be added. --Thespian (talk) 08:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Actually, a quick look at this indicates that I can probably do this (have I mentioned being a professional PHP programmer? Uhm. Yeah). It'd possibly take more time (approval and writing and such), but if we'd like to have one that just does food stuff (project tagging, stub tagging, collecting redlinks in the food articles to create a 'to be done' page, the newsletter dist., etc), and can be run by the people who participate in the project instead of externally, that could be done. --Thespian (talk) 08:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have the skills to do tis, I am all for it. Go for it Lady, script away. at least what I think. - Jeremy (Jerem43 (talk) 09:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC))


 * I have been trying to contact Snowolf because he already has a bot that does this. But, if someone else wants to create one, that's fine, too. I wasn't planning on doing anything more complex than starting at Category:Food and working my way down. Also, several food article categories have already been identified (Category:Category-Class_Food_and_drink_articles). --GentlemanGhost (talk) 02:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Has this idea gone anywhere of late with anybody?--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

4 Days Left: Restaurant
Ok, so I made a large suggestion on the talk page, and one or two people have made some changes to the page itself, but really, almost *nothing* has been done on this article this month. I'd propose a major rewrite this week and through the weekend to get back on track, but first, I'd like someone to look at my suggestions on types of restaurants.

Wednesday I'm mostly free right now, so I'll commit to do a complete rewrite of the text to bring it into encyclopedic format and Wikified standards. Anyone want to start looking up citations for all the stuff the article says but doesn't cite? --Thespian (talk) 10:39, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I wish I could contribute more right now, but I have two 20 page papers, a 10 page paper and a 7 page papers, plus multiple small papers due in the coming two weeks. I may create a banner for a full on project "article improvement drive."  I also have a massive amount of material to contribute, but I just don't have the time right now.  I have a few academic books on the history of the restaurant, which is where I plan to contribute, as well as contributing information on the structure of waitstaff and the kitchen. Nonetheless, I'll go take a look at the discussion page comments for now.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 17:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Food street
I prodded it, and the prod was removed. I think the article is atrocious, and totally not up to wikipedia (as well as a vio of Not a List and more). I'd like a second opinion, please; I really think it's non-notable, especially since it seems to just be a pile of lists put together to justify defining 'Food Street'. Opinions? --Thespian (talk) 11:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I was going to PROD it myself, but as there was a couple other articles with Food Street on them I left it. I also dd a Google search (which I hate for using as a means to warrant an article) and it did come up for a couple Asian cities that had "food streets" but it was nothing that seemed to merit one large article.  I think an AFD discussion would be appropriate stating that it fails WP:Notable and probably fails WP:No original research as well.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)