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Women in Red redux
I have taken the liberty of adding a link from this project's ToDo list (diff), to a redlist of women in food and drink, being a listing of women for whom we have no biography. Right now, there are five times as many biogs of men as there are of women on wikipedia. I hope this project will lend its support to addressing this imbalance by creating biogs for women. More generally, WikiProject Women in Red has very many redlists covering perhaps 100,000 notable women for which we have no biography. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:06, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed the list that you mentioned, and I'll try to do some more research and to at least create a few articles in the redlists. Thanks for mentioning this, I'll include this in the December newsletter. Cheers,  Wiki Pancake  ✉ 📖 15:12, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, WikiPancake, that's very kind. It'll take all of our efforts to improve the situation, so your input and lead is very helpful. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:11, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Water filters
Hello. Do you think we should create a separate article about water filters like ? Water filter isn't looking great. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:16, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if Water filter is covered in our scope; it's not technically food. Try discussing this here.  Wiki Pancake  ✉ 📖 15:10, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Custard powder
A discussion about creating a new article about is underway at talk:Bird's Custard which is the current target of the redirect. -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 11:55, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Nutricia North America Correction to Article
Dear Wikipedia Editors,

As Vice President for Medical and Scientific Affairs for Nutricia North America, I am writing to request that you review the Wikipedia entry for Nutricia North America because it has been edited to contain untrue and unsubstantiated statements.

Some references for this page are not from legitimate sources. One reference is from an online parent forum post from July, 2015 and does not substantiate the claims for which it is cited. Another reference directs the user to a website for a product that has no connection to Nutricia North America or our products; the referenced website concerns a product for administration of proper dosages of proton pump inhibitors for children. Nutricia North America does not make or have any connection to proton pump inhibitors or their usage.

Language used in this entry is inflammatory and does not present a neutral point of view. Additionally, this article has been flagged on the website as having multiple issues. The citations do not support the material presented and the article also relies on primary sources without reliable secondary sources to substantiate the information.

I respectfully ask that the content be reviewed and updated to reflect current, reputable information. Please do not hesitate to reach out to me if you have any questions.

Sincerely, Dr. Steven Yannicelli, PhD, RD VP Medical and Scientific Affairs Nutricia North America — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syannicelli (talk • contribs) 14:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The scary thing is that this cannot be reviewed -- it is already in the mainspace, meaning anyone can look at it. If you can, please feel free to remove the references that you think fail Verifibility, but if you think that it does not meet the WP:NOTABILITY criteria, please tag it for deletion if you need to. However, I suggest that you talk about this with the article expander 205.142.197.66. Thanks.  Wiki Pancake  🥞 14:41, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Nestlé Bear Brand
I have recently received several requests from a user on my talk page (see here) for the Nestlé Bear Brand article to be improved. Posting a general request here to receive broader consideration. North America1000 05:13, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I have added a logo of the Bear Brand brand (?). Will add references too, if I can rummage through Google.  Wiki Pancake  🥞 14:47, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Are mushrooms vegetables
See Talk:Vegetable. Any help appreciated. Andrewa (talk) 17:49, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

New article: Claude Lebey
I have added WPFOOD to Claude Lebey's talkpage. Feel free to take a look and expand if you can find more reliable third-party sources. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:19, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Pearson's Candy Company
Pearson's Candy Company, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Shearonink (talk) 07:37, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Old-fashioned doughnut GAR
Old-fashioned doughnut, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 05:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Red bean soup split discussion
Please come participate in the discussion to determine if this article should be split into two or more articles. Thank you. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 06:29, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Merging cheonsachae and kelp noodles
Please participate in the discussion on the merger of cheonsachae and kelp noodles. --MaeveCosgrave (talk) 12:50, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Espresso Martini
The named article continuously goes through edit war by IP users. So some protection is required against such edits.srini (talk) 16:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I did a little editing and writing in the article, in part the rationale was to explicitly point out why the edits were vandalism. This morning I placed a vandalism warning on the IP user's talk page after yet another attempt this morning.  I believe it takes four warnings for the administrators to block an IP.  That number may have already occurred in rollback edit summaries. Blocking the IP seems a better course of action versus page protection due to the infrequent timing of the vandalizing edits, only once or twice a week. Gzuufy (talk) 17:49, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Thankssrini (talk) 03:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

"Chocolate tea" - redirect to tea? Disambig? (Nigerian English)
I learned that in Nigeria what is called "chocolate tea" really refers to "hot chocolate" stemming from the Nigerian custom of calling any morning beverage "tea". A Daily Trust article confirms this:
 * "Question:
 * I recently traveled outside Nigeria and was surprised to discover that most of us actually don’t drink tea in Nigeria. We call everything we drink in the morning “tea” even if it’s not.


 * Answer:
 * You’re right that “tea” has become the generic term for all kinds of beverages in Nigeria. Most Nigerians mix “Milo,” powdered milk, sugar and water, and call it “tea.” Native English speakers would call that “hot chocolate” or “hot cocoa,” not tea. Tea is made by seeping tea leaves, such as Lipton tea, in water. When my daughter and I visited Nigeria in 2012, she made the same observation. “Daddy, why do Nigerians call hot cocoa ‘tea’?” she asked me."

I'm considering making "chocolate tea" a disambiguation page - pointing to both "tea" and "hot chocolate". This would serve Nigerian readers pointing them to the right place, but it also serves Americans/Brits/Australians/New Zealanders/Irish by pointing them to "tea" for any actual variety of tea flavored with chocolate. What do you think? WhisperToMe (talk) 06:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Daikon split discussion
Please come participate in the split discussion regarding the Daikon article. Thank you. --Epulum (talk) 06:43, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Category:Restaurants by year of establishment
I just went through all the pages there and removed from these categories any of them that had been placed in yearly Retail companies establishment categories. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but a restaurant is not a retail company....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:42, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mueslix


The article Mueslix has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * No indication of notability. No improvement to references since unreferenced tag in September 2007

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 06:31, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Upcoming "420 collaboration"

 * Particularly for this project, please note a few of our cool foodie redlinks awaiting a new article:
 * Hemp beer
 * Hemp cheese
 * Hemp ice cream (image)
 * Hemp seed
 * Hemp wine
 * Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 00:53, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Unicorn Frappuccino
Interested in helping to expand Unicorn Frappuccino? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Komodo Dragon (chili pepper)
New article--your help is appreciated, for templates, categories, expansion, etc. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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Food fraud
This was recently split out from another article.

It's in draft space, because I didn't think as a stub it had enough to be an article yet, The draft article:  Draft:Food fraud

On the Wikipedia IRC channel, another contributor said that the topic had the potential if properly developed and written to reach FA status!

I am therefore posting the link to the draft here in the hope that someone here can develop the article further. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Mead in Poland for B-class
I passed it for B-class for WP:POLAND, and I wonder if a member of this project would like to look at it and confirm it as B-class for your project as well? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:40, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Image of ingredients in a food dish article?
As the headline says, does one include an image or images of ingredients in a Wiki article about a food dish?--Joobo (talk) 15:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * As ever with Wikipedia, the answer is "it depends". There is no blanket ban on including images of anything, so long as it adds value and doesn't overly clutter the article (hence, making it harder to read). Your WP:NOTCOOKBOOK arguments to the other user regarding the carbonara page are spurious; the image was added to illustrate common basic ingredients and isn't giving any sort of 'how to' information. If you followed your WP:NOTCOOKBOOK reasoning editors wouldn't even be able to mention in prose what the ingredients are for any concocted foodstuff, which is clearly an absurd position. That much is clear from the policy documents. For this circumstance, I would argue that for a foodstuff such as carbonara, where the sauce ingredients are significantly changed during cooking, a simple single image with the ingredients shown together helps the reader understand the transformation that has been made. However, each ingredient shown in individual images would be less useful and would take up more space, likely meaning that the overall benefit was insufficient to justify their inclusion in an article that length. So, "it depends". Pyrop  e  17:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * So would you favour the inclusion of the concerned image or not? I think it does not fit in, also because it is flawed, since the pork portrayed in the image is bacon cubes, whereas in the original Italian recipe it is either Guanciale or Pancetta- no bacon cubes. --Joobo (talk) 18:09, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In this case I don't see a problem with it, and given that any other illustration of carbonara itself is either going to be a nondescript white-ish sauce or pasta covered in same, it adds visual interest and (as mentioned) helps a reader to understand the fundamental character of the dish. The use of bacon is consistent with the prose description that states "Guanciale is the most commonly used meat ... but pancetta and local bacon are also used." Certainly for most people making this dish outside of Italy, 'local bacon' will be the most easily obtained form of salt-cured-dead-pig available. This fine distinction could be alluded to briefly in the image caption. Pyrop  e  20:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Well i am not completely against an image then, however it needds to be nicely arranged in the image and taking the original ingredients into account.Joobo (talk) 20:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * How does this version strike you? Not perfect placement, but reasonable given the length of the article. Positioned directly adjacent to the prose discussion of the subject, and set to 'upright' to bring image size in line with common thumbnail areas. Pyrop  e  22:59, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Oxford Symposium on Food & Cookery
FYI, there's a Wiki editathon on 7th July as part of the annual Oxford Symposium on Food & Cookery. I plan to attend in person but others might join in remotely too, I suppose. Andrew D. (talk) 21:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Opinions on Kombucha article layout.
I´d like to ask for more eyes/opinions at the Kombucha Article layout discussion seen here. I'm of the opinion that the Kombucha article should be formatted in the way other tea articles are.--SamHolt6 (talk) 17:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Searching for Editors to Help Improve Article
Hello, I've recently suggested an update on an article that I have a conflict of interest with (Kona Grill). I am aware of Wikipedia's guidelines on editing articles that you have a COI with, so I have made a request for unaffiliated editors to make updates. Are there any contributors in this project that would be interested in looking into this? I appreciate any assistance you can provide, including suggestions and advice. Thank you Deswans1 (talk) 21:44, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I have yet to hear from anyone regarding my request. I'm still in need of assistance if anyone would care to lend a hand. Thank you Deswans1 (talk) 18:21, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Michelin starred restaurants
At the language reference desk I raised a question about Michelin starred restaurants located in Ireland and the Netherlands. See here. Marrakech (talk) 14:39, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * In fact, importing a conflict from the Dutch Wikipedia. The Banner talk 15:36, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Food desert
Small question: The sections "Transportation barriers to food access" and "Rural food deserts" have overlap/redundancies on transportation issues specific to rural food deserts. I'm torn on how to proceed and would love a second opinion. The choices are:
 * 1). Consolidate transportation info on rural food deserts into a new subsection of "Transportation barriers to food access."
 * OR
 * 2). Have ""Transportation barriers to food access" appear before "Rural food deserts"; then move info specific to rural desert transportation into "Rural food deserts."

Thanks!Skingski (talk) 20:02, 24 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)
 * This content is kind of a mess. The sources are not high quality because they discuss regions of the United States from more than 10 years ago. Whatever they say might be outdated, and might never have been broadly relevant. Of the options you present, I favor #2, because the information is redundant and having even more sections probably will not lead to clarity.
 * Alternatively, since there is so much regional content from so many countries and since all of it refers to different time periods, if I were revising this, I would fork all the regional content (everything about the United States or any other country) into a new article called, Food deserts by country. That new article could be a dump for all of this unsorted content. Back in this article, the summary could be "Different regions have handled this in different ways in different times..." then link to that article. If anyone wished to do so, they could revise and update new articles titled "Food deserts in the United States" etc. The main food desert article should be more stable, general, and timeless. It is a problem to mention regions and years, because situations will change from time to time and readers of the main article should not be overly exposed to information which only applies to specific regions.
 * Despite the titles, the "Transportation barriers to food access" and "Rural food deserts" sections do not actually discuss those topics. These topics could have their own sections but not with the current content. I am not sure if it is priority to rework those sections now, but if so, then I hope the new coverage could be more international.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  20:26, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * -- Oh God, yes. The article was even worse before I got to it.  I have not dug into the references much yet, but so many are policy papers or opinion pieces on advocacy sites, not research, and often they do not even cite what is actually in the paper.
 * I love your suggestions, especially splintering off a "by country" page. As you see, the food desert definition changes by continent, rural and urban.  Would "Food deserts in the United States" be a separate page since US (and Canada) have the most research papers and programs to solve them?
 * As you say, timelessness is needed as conditions change (online groceries may obviate the entire topic one day); I agree 100% with you.Skingski (talk) 20:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)
 * The fork would not be about the origin of the papers, but about region-specific content. For example, research in any country might lead researchers to define general concepts. We can still use local papers as sources for international concepts. The point of forking is to improve the quality of this page by differentiating high-quality, more general information from less useful dated and region-specific info. We could have as many articles needed. The usual top-level articles for regions are typically called "...by country". First, all the information goes there. If there is too much information on the US, then we fork that content into yet another article, but if that article is not so long, then we keep it there. Doing this makes it more welcoming for people to share regional content without having oddly specific regional or dated information in the general article.
 * I could give a go at any part of this, or support you in doing it. We do not have to commit to anything. Sometimes it is easier to think about by doing it and seeing how it looks after.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  11:07, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Cool! I'll have a go at it and post back to this page on my progress. Thank you!Skingski (talk) 13:15, 25 July 2017 (UTC)(talk)

Help with Dean Foods fixes
Hi there, WikiProject Food and drink members! I've posted an edit request to fix some inaccuracies in the article for Dean Foods and am looking for interested editors to help. My request includes some straightforward edits for the infobox, introduction and History to fix a handful of inaccuracies and add up-to-date factual information. As I do have a financial conflict of interest (I am here on behalf of Dean Foods through my work at Beutler Ink), I do not intend to make any edits to the live article, and am looking for an uninvolved editor (or editors) to review and make the changes they feel are appropriate. As project member Whoisjohngalt has reviewed a previous edit request of mine, I wonder if you'd be interested to look at this one? Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 17:27, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Misc refs for earlier sections
(Two pre-existing sections have refs that already display within them. But refs intended for intervening talk sections may show up here, occasionally from August 6, 2017 on, if discussions started earlier should be revived.)--Jerzy•t 08:21, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Will no one rid us of this pestilential WP confusion over Macaroon and Macaron?
It would be a great relief if further research supports having two articles for these doubtlessly closely related goodies. But the most plausible hypothesis that they're arguing over subtle distinctions that are likely to reflect 1200 years of experimentation, changes in quality and sources for ingredients, and too many good traditions and changes in tastes and practices, and in availability and cost of ingredients, to identify any association between two (rather than dozens of) confections and two spellings of obviously related words: we may need an article on Macaroon and macaron pastries. The competing attributions to two separate religious orders (with perhaps an in some sense common ancestral text) would be interesting to flesh out via reliable sources, but the parallel claims to have saved their respective nuns (or coincidental pairs of nuns) with sweets sound too much like versions of a single fairy tale to be encyclopedic. (Which of course is about reliable sources that no one has identified beyond two competing old wives' tales.) We can't continue to entertain the following curious differences between two doubtless competing, presumably related, probably gradually mutating, oral and perhaps scriptorium traditions, represented here by embarrassingly weak syntax:

At Macar oo n#Origins, we find
 * (-) ... Culinary historians write


 * (1) that macaroons can be traced to an Italian monastery of the 9th century.
 * (-) The monks came
 * (2) to France in 1533, joined by the pastry chefs of Catherine de Medici, wife of King Henri II.
 * (3) Later, two Benedictine nuns, Sister Marguerite and Sister Marie-Elisabeth, came to Nancy seeking asylum during the French Revolution. The two women paid for their housing by baking and selling macaroon cookies, and thus became known as the "Macaroon Sisters".

At Macar o n#History, we find


 * (1) ... Macarons have been produced in the Venetian monasteries since the 8th century
 * (-) A.D. During the Renaissance,
 * (2) Catherine de' Medici's Italian pastry chefs made them when she brought them with her to France in 1533 upon marrying Henry II of France.
 * (-) Larousse Gastronomique cites the macaron was created in 1791 in a convent near Cormery. In 1792, macarons began to gain fame when


 * (3) two Carmelite nuns, seeking asylum in Nancy during the French Revolution, baked and sold the macaron cookies in order to pay for their housing. These nuns became known as the "Macaron Sisters".
 * (-) In these early stages, macarons were served without special flavors or fillings.

I suggest that since none of those sources' titles hint at the likelihood of passing muster as WP:RS, discussion is unlikely to be advanced without citation of refs better than those three! --Jerzy•t 08:21, 6 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah! My continental-cuisine informant has returned from the wilds of New Hampshire, and informs me that there is a clear distinction between the two kinds of cookie, sorry, pastry. So what's missing from the suite of 2 mac...n articles is, at most (1) acknowledgement that at least one the two origin stories must reflect folk processing, and (2) perhaps sections in the respective articles acknowledging the possible divergence from a common ancestor, and popular confusion among us riff-raff about terminology. --Jerzy•t 18:02, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Tom and Jerry (mixed drink) listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Tom and Jerry (mixed drink) to be moved to Tom and Jerry (cocktail). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

— Paleo Neonate  – 01:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

American state-specific categories
What is the appropriate naming convention for U.S. state-specific cuisine categories? Currently, three conventions are used: I think a key question is whether these categories are about different culinary traditions or just categories of cuisine by place. Any toughts and suggestions would be appreciated. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:20, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * [X] cuisine – Florida cuisine‎, Kentucky cuisine‎ (main article is Cuisine of Kentucky), Louisiana cuisine‎, Maryland cuisine‎, Massachusetts cuisine‎, Mississippi cuisine‎, Oklahoma cuisine‎, Rhode Island cuisine‎, Utah cuisine‎, Vermont cuisine‎
 * [X]ian cuisine – Alaskan cuisine‎, Hawaiian cuisine‎ (main article is either Cuisine of Hawaii, Hawaii regional cuisine, or Native Hawaiian cuisine), New Mexican cuisine‎ (main article is New Mexican cuisine), Texan cuisine‎ (main article is Texan cuisine)
 * Cuisine of [X] – Cuisine of Minnesota‎, Cuisine of New York (state)‎, Cuisine of West Virginia‎, Cuisine of Wisconsin‎


 * Notified WikiProject United States (diff) to invite participation. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:26, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

List of hot sauces
Was wondering if someone from this WikiProject might take a look at this article per Talk:List of hot sauces. I tend to agree with who started that talk page thread in that there does seem to be problems with WP:LSC which need to be addresed. I've removed some embedded links already, but many of the "reliable sources" cited are just links to official pages. My first notion was just to remove anything without it's own Wikipedia article per WP:CSC, but noticed that would still leave many entries which are just redirects. So, any ideas on how to help clean this up would be appreciated. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Black Nail afd
If interested, please weigh in at Articles for deletion/Black Nail. Kendall-K1 (talk) 18:55, 30 September 2017 (UTC)


 * What is the reason(s) for the pages request for deletion? I couldn't find a discussion on the talk page. Chefmikesf (talk) 16:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * @Chefmikesf: The discussion is taking place at Articles for deletion/Black Nail, not on the article's talk page. Best, -- Black Falcon (talk) 16:43, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Black Falcon Chefmikesf (talk) 03:28, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Thatchers Cider
Would any of the experts from this wikiproject be willing to take a look at the article on Thatchers Cider? It has a banner which says it "reads like a press release or a news article". The company has "engaged" on the talk page requesting/suggesting edits and it also has a banner about conflict of interest and paid editing. It would be great of someone with a knowledge of similar articles could do a rewrite to avoid the highlighted issues.&mdash; Rod talk 14:55, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Candy Names
Hello,

I am Lindsey I would like to know what you call a twisted taffy that you get at the beach? The formal name for one.198.147.202.122 (talk) 15:44, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Lindsey, Are you are you talking about Salt Water Taffy? Chefmikesf (talk) 16:39, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Link to the article: Salt water taffy. -- Black Falcon (talk) 16:44, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Same subject? (Asian sweetener)
I'm so confused right now, but I'm hoping participants in this WikiProject can help me figure this out. Here's my question: Are Mizuame and Millet jelly the same subject? Steel1943 (talk) 14:42, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Future food technology
I wonder if this topic is notable. Maybe this just needs a better name. See the talk where I started a discussion. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Bread roll
A terrible Eurocentric article. I tried to add an image of a Filipino roll but I'm crap at getting sizes right. You'd think only Europeans had rolls if you read the article, and the version before me said that German and Austria had an unusually large number of types of rolls which sounds nonsense. Doug Weller talk 12:54, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
 * We also have List of buns but are these different from rolls? The American FDA doesn't think so. Oregon even calls doughnuts buns/rolls. I can buy a breakfast croissant with bacon in it, is that a roll? Doug Weller  talk 15:05, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

The primary Filipino roll seems to be the pandesal but that is European in origin. I suppose that most US varieties are European in origin too. Doughnuts and croissants are quite separate in my view but they come from Europe too. Andrew D. (talk) 08:27, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Cocktail Sauce
I have no personal connection to this issue, no axe to grind. Please note that in The Ritz Carlton Cook Book and Guide to Home Entertaining by Helen E Ridley copyright 1968 published by J B Lippincott Company, Library of Congress Catalog # 68-24137 on page 48 "For shellfish the best-liked is the piquant, nonfat Ritz Cocktail Sauce, a Ritz original now seen on menus everywhere" RITZ COCKTAIL SAUCE Makes 1 cup:  2/3 cup catchup;  1/4 cup chili sauce; 1 tablespoon each of Worcestershire sauce and grated horse-radish; 4 dashes Tabasco; juice 1/2 lemon. Mix together all ingredients and chill in refrigerator.

Perhaps this predates Fanny Cradock reference?

FYI

R Hawthorne rhawthorne@rghventures.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:19B:100:971:548B:237:234D:5A06 (talk) 02:55, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

post WWII margarine in bags with separate color bubble, to be hand mixed by squeezing
I was born in 1944 and just flashed on a childhood memory of margarine packaging. It came in a heavy plastic bag which also contained a dark bubble of food coloring. It was either yellow or orange, probably the latter. My brother and I used to argue over who would get to pop the bubble and squeeze the coloring into the white mass to make the margarine appear more like butter, ergo more palatable. (I thought I'd post the memory to Face Book to see if any of my contemporaries remembered it as I do. I was hoping to find a photo, ended up checking out Wikepedia, and am surprised there's no mention of this in the history section.) 71.217.65.67 (talk) 21:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC) Karen Scott

Poutine
A request for comments is open at Talk:Poutine regarding the description of the dish as Canadian versus Québecois, which would benefit from input from members of this WikiProject. If you're interested in commenting, please see the discussion. Thanks. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Are pubs and bars different?
Should those articles be really separate? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:56, 28 November 2017 (UTC)


 * The word bar has many meanings and its primary meaning is "a piece of any material long in proportion to its thickness or width" – like a rod, ingot or slab.  So, for example, in front of you right now, you probably have a space bar on your keyboard.  In food, you have the bar of chocolate and the candy bar.  That primary shape concept is poorly served on Wikipedia and so the page in question should probably become the disambiguation page per WP:CONCEPTDAB.


 * The term became used for retail establishments, as they would typically have "A barrier or counter, over which drink (or food) is served out to customers, in an inn, hotel, or tavern, and hence, in a coffee-house, at a railway-station, etc." Such bars don't especially have to serve alcohol and so you have coffee bars, nail bars, sushi bars and so on.


 * The word pub is better as there are less alternative meanings and it better covers the entire building. A public house, alehouse or tavern would usually have several bars including the saloon bar, the private bar and the public bar.  The use of the term bar to mean the entire establishment is a synecdoche.  This is unsatisfactory because it is confusing.


 * So, I favour moving the current bar to bar (retail) and then moving bar (disambiguation) to bar. Andrew D. (talk) 08:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Makes sense, but it probably should be discussed at Talk:Bar first, with a heads-up to WikiProject Disambiguation. — Kpalion(talk) 10:25, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Poutine
Can we get some more eyes over at Talk:Poutine got 2 RfCs on the go with 2 editors posting walls of opinionated text with zero sources. --Moxy (talk) 20:51, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Help with Kona Grill Updates
Hello, WikiProject Food and drink members. I've proposed an update request in the article for Kona Grill and am looking for interested editors to help. I have a COI with this company, so I do not intend to make any edits to the live article, and am looking for an uninvolved editor (or editors) to review and make the changes they feel are appropriate. Would anyone mind taking a look at this and lending a hand? Any and all help is appreciated, Deswans1 (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Food_and_drink

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 15:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Svedka
Hi, thanks for helping.

I'd like to use this to improve the Svedka article.

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/case.darden.2016.000009

Does anyone have know how I might get access to this?

Benjamin (talk) 23:27, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Requested move: Pączki → Paczki
Greetings! I have started a requested move discussion at Talk:Pączki, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks — Kpalion(talk) 16:20, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for Harvest Spirits Farm Distillery LLC
My name is Sherwood D. Ludwig, a distiller at Harvest Spirits.

I have recently submitted a request form for my distillery to have a page on Wikipedia here.

I feel that, being one of the first distilleries to be created in New York since the Prohibition era, as well as the recent resurgence of craft products in the region, it is important to document and record the older distilleries at this ten year mark.

I did not see an option for small business in the business category, nor an option for spirits producers, so I submitted this request here.

If there is a way I can provide more third-party information or from our team, please feel free to let me know.

--S (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Politicization of Candy making Article
I respectfully dispute inclusion of the 3rd and 4th paragraphs under the History section of the Candy Making article. They violate the NPOV principles pertaining to balance in that they give undue weight to the topic of Gender Discrimination in an article about Candy Making. Gender Discrimination is a fine topic on its own but is not of significant importance to be included an article about Candy Making.

Gender discrimination issues only tangentially have anything to do with the actual topic of Candy Making. Let's keep the lens through which we view every topic a more neutral one. Surely whatever message the author of these paragraphs might want to convey about gender discrimination can be properly addressed elsewhere. It alienates many readers to turn even the remotest topic on Wiki into a political platform. There is enough criticism of Wiki bias as it is.

In the late 19th century and especially the early 20th century, industrial candy making was almost exclusively a masculine affair, and home-based candy making was a feminine affair.[1] Candy was considered sweet and dainty, so making it at home, giving it away to friends, and perhaps selling small amounts in the local area, conformed with the Western gender roles for women of the time. Most women making and selling candy did so only seasonally or for a little extra money; they rarely earned enough to support themselves or their families. Despite several large brands being named after women or otherwise capitalizing on wholesome, feminine, and maternal images, very few were owned or operated by women.

Gender segregation also affected candy workers in the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century.[1] Men and boys were employed for cooking or operating machinery. Women were mostly employed for wrapping and putting candies in packages or for hand-dipping candies in chocolate. The best-paid women were chocolate dippers, yet the wages of these skilled and experienced female workers were almost always lower than that of the worst-paid male machine operators.[1]

MrKiffy (talk) 18:12, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like a valid description of the situation at that time. More sources are needed, but no need for removal. The Banner talk 19:57, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Old Dutch baby David Eyre's pancake merge request
Can people please take a look at Talk:Dutch baby pancake? Thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:54, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Wing Bowl
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Wing Bowl. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:56, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Not menu listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Not menu. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. —Bagumba (talk) 08:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The RfD has been relisted at Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_November_16 Your input is welcome if you have yet to participate. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 15:14, 17 November 2017 (UTC)