Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Archive 40

Move discussion
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Kai yang, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, –Ammarpad (talk) 09:20, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Please help to evaluate the awards
Hi. During the last round of edits of DiCamillo Bakery the whole part about awards was removed. Not knowing much about the US food industry awards, I wonder how important these mentions were. Please tell if these award have any "weight" or not? 2001 and 2006 SOFI awards had references that were removed in the previous round of edits.

Do you think I should ask for returning/recovering the following information? -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 04:39, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * pinging you here as you added DiCamillo Bakery to this project. -- Bbarmadillo (talk) 04:42, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Removed part
During the 2000s, the bakery won an ADDY Award in 2004 and regional awards in 2006, 2007 and 2008. It was a National Association for the Specialty Food Trade SOFI award finalist in 2001 and 2006, and winner in 2007.

In 2016, Specialty Food Association included Michael Di Camillo, grandson of the founders, into its Hall of Fame, acknowledging his influence on "The Biscotti Decades" of the 1980s and 90s.

New Wikipedian Soft Drink Categories
I went ahead and created a couple user categories on soft drinks: feel free to improve and edit~- 🐦Do☭torWho42 ( ⭐ ) 07:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Category:Wikipedians who like Bawls
 * Category:Wikipedians who like Coca-Cola
 * Category:Wikipedians who like Diet Coke
 * Category:Wikipedians who like Dr Pepper
 * Category:Wikipedians who like Mountain Dew
 * Category:Wikipedians who like Pepsi
 * also, Category:Wikipedians who like Fanta.- 🐦Do☭torWho42 ( ⭐ ) 09:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Reference edit
In the references section of the Foodservice article, the following is listed as a reference:

"I enrolled in, got a 3.8GPA in, and earned certification in a Restaurant Operations course"

What the hell kind of reference is that? First off, who is "I" and who approved that reference? That reference makes zero sense and there is no way it can stand as a valid reference. I am suggesting that it should be removed from the article being that it makes zero sense whatsoever.

Fishboy62 (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
 * special:diff/785551094. For good or bad, no one "approves" much of anything on Wikipedia, especially if there aren't many people looking at an article. But, that definitely needs to go (I went ahead and removed it). Chris857 (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

RfC on Talk:Roti
Talk:Roti. — MapSGV (talk) 02:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

ENGVAR mess
A person who speaks British English and who is editing from a variable IP went through Sugar candy and Confectionery during the last few weeks, and re-wrote them to match his idea of what should be on pages with those titles. I'm undoing the mess (oh, my word, what a mess WP:ENGVAR conversions can produce in articles like this) in those two articles, but I would really appreciate it if someone else looked around at other candy-related articles and made sure that we didn't have the kind of confectionery-is-sweets-is-rock candy mess that we've got at the moment.

For those who don't remember the last big conversation on the subject, the relevant part of the article tree looks approximately like this:


 * Confectionery – sugar and pastry
 * (Pastries)
 * Candy – a big category that includes most kinds of sugar confectionery
 * Sugar candy – the sub-type of sugar confections that has the most sugar by weight
 * Candy bar
 * Chocolate bar – the most common sub-type of candy bar
 * Ice cream – sometimes classified as a sugar confection
 * Chewing gum – sometimes not considered "candy"
 * Bubble gum

Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Umami and Savoriness
Please share your views here: Talk:Umami

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:06, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Ancient Roman Cuisine
I would like to not change anything but to add on to Ancient Roman Cuisine. I would like to go specifically into more detail about wheat and its effects on the rich and poor and how it was used by them over the empires longevity. Shane-HD (talk) 23:10, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Help improving the Kinder Surprise article
Hello! On behalf of Ferrero SpA, I have proposed some improvements for the Kinder Surprise Wikipedia article and I am wondering if members of this WikiProject would like to review them. To start with, I've proposed a new draft for the Description section, which is currently mostly unsourced and remove the poorly sourced Classification and identification section. Given my conflict of interest, I won't be editing the article directly, and I'm hoping editors from this project would be interested to review my request and provide feedback and / or update the article as appropriate. If you'd like to look, my request is here. Thanks in advance for any feedback or help. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 17:53, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Hospital food
Do we have an article about hospital food or food for sick people or something like that? I ran across http://www.foodandwine.com/news/10-hospital-meals-around-world and a quick search suggests that there are more sources available. The Japanese invention of "choke-proof food" might also be appropriate for such an article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:01, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Budare (Venezuelan cooking implement)
I have moved this article, which is unsourced to Draft:Budare. I don’t have time to source this article, as the top hits on a google search didn’t reveal any good secondary sourcing. It does however appear to be a genuine thing and I’m leaving a note here for anyone who wants to pick it up, source it and move it back to main space. Many thanks Edaham (talk) 04:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Baskin-Robbins
I have not been able to find any reliable up-to-date information on Baskin-Robbins. Their company website is dead (and has been so for some time), the Wikipedia article is hopelessly out of date, with tons of unsourced superlative claims (sources have been requested on the talk page for years, in vain), and personally, I have not seen a store anywhere I went during the past couple of years. Do they still exist at all? Are there any sources that could be added to the article? --Anna (talk) 22:13, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Their website here is loading fine for me. North America1000 01:53, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Newsletter uses too much transclusion
I found an issue while examining Template talk:Reply to. Your newsletter posted to user talk pages (latest was in November 2016) transcludes WikiProject Food and drink/Newsletters/template, mainly edited by Northamerica1000. It uses an unreasonable amount of the 2 MB "Post-expand include size" limit at Help:Template. For example, User talk:Jerem43 only has 45 kB source but already passes the 2 MB template limit on the fifth newsletter at User talk:Jerem43. That means no transclusions are performed from that point. Previewing that section alone will transclude the newsletter and currently shows this at the bottom of the edit window: "Post-expand include size	409,360/2,097,152 bytes". That means it uses a fifth of the template limit for a whole page. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:02, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Commons category for food warmers and heated baths
I just started commons category food warmers. I was just told at my commons talk page that heated baths also exists. What should be done? Please drop by the heated baths talk page and share you view. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Move "Lazy Dog Cafe" to "Lazy Dog Restaurant & Bar"
I would like to move the Lazy Dog Cafe article to a new name "Lazy Dog Restaurant & Bar." I've requested this move on the "technical section of requested moves" page but it was removed without any action. I'm posting here because the other option seems to be requesting this as a "controversial" move, although I'm not sure why it would be a controversial change.

The restaurant chain has changed names, reference this article from 2007 in which it is referred to as "Lazy Dog Cafe" and this more recent article (2016), in which it is referred to as Lazy Dog Restaurant & Bar. Additionally the previous URL "Lazydogcafe.com" now redirects to "Lazydogrestaurants.com."

I am new to Wikipedia and thought this change would be an easy first "project," but cannot figure out how to do it. If anyone is able to help, I would appreciate it. Thanks!

Manonseitz (talk) 17:56, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅ I agree that this isn't a controversial move. Pyrop  e  19:02, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Vitamin B3
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;Vitamin B3&mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. SusanLesch (talk) 14:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Draft article for Eater.com
Hello! On behalf of Vox Media, I've drafted a new Wikipedia article about Eater.com for community review. If you're not familiar, Eater is a network of websites focused on food and dining, with restaurant reviews and coverage of the food scenes in various cities. I am looking for feedback, and ultimately hoping to have the draft moved into the main space over the existing redirect. I've disclosed my conflict of interest appropriately, and invite WikiProject Food and drink members to review this article, since it's within the scope of this project. Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 15:53, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Dutch baby pancake
This is suddenly in the news with UK media discovering that Americans don't call them Yorkshire puddings. There's some discussion on the talk page. As an aside, it's interesting that our Yorkshire pudding article has an 18th century quote saying you start with a pancake batter. But we don't call them pancakes in the article, probably because they aren't pancakes. Dutch babies however are. I like them all but make Dutch babies much more often than the others. Doug Weller talk 16:36, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template Transclude lead excerpt.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  10:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Missing article: Fudgesicle
Hope someone feels up to it. Vandals keep creating it as a joke page (with feces and heroin references, etc.). Notable topic. Not sure if it's a trademark. Needs a redir from Fudgecicle, since it's a portmanteau of fudge and icicle. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi SMcCandlish. Yes, notable, I think. Mention is at Popsicle (brand). Standalone article? Sources maybe at Google Books, but that site is blocked for me. No image at commons, and may be hard to get. Mention at icicle? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:23, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah! In the interim, I sent the redirects there. It's not a whole lot, but it's enough for now.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * SMcCandlish, thank you. Let me know if and when it comes to life. I'd be interested in helping if possible. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:42, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Soft drink machines in schools
Where is the article about soft drink machines in schools? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Standard soda bottle sizes
Where is the article about standard soda bottle sizes? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Louis_dressing - Olympic Club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_dressing

Origin The origin of the dressing is disputed. The Olympic Club in Seattle,

When I click on the link, the "Olympic Club" Takes me to a Hotel in Centralia, Washington

the "Olympic Hotel" is in Seattle - but I don't know if that is a place claiming to have invented Loius Dressing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmont_Olympic_Hotel_(Seattle) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.21.144.6 (talk) 03:08, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

New articles

 * Greetings, I created two new articles and included this project because of listing on other like articles. If there are some that wish to take a look and possibly make improvements, including the project ratings I would appreciate it.


 * Verdale-de-l'Hérault (olive),
 * Ascolano (olive).
 * It would not take much to get to "Start-class". Thanks, Otr500 (talk) 11:38, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I have proposed a merger of Curd into Cheese curd. Please comment on the talk page of Cheese curd if you wish. Leschnei (talk) 18:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Deletion request for Articles for deletion/List of breakfast drinks (2nd nomination)
Just a heads up there's a deletion request for Articles for deletion/List of breakfast drinks (2nd nomination), which is under the scope of this WikiProject. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 23:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Project participation requested
For the article Pastirma. Article came to my attention from a mediation request at DRN. Please see the talk page (look through all of the sections there) for some background on what might be creating long term issues in general. A neutral set of eyes is needed to determine what it is, what its variations are (such as spellings/names, geographical areas found or used, historical references and origins/etymology) and as well as determing what might be considered the best over all approach.

Mahalo nui loa.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:36, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism on Proofing (baking technique)
An IP editor is changing all instances of the word "proofing" to "proving", asserting "proofing" is incorrect English. They have been asked to provide a source, and not to change any of the quotes in citations which reflects the usage of those reliable sources, but their response is "dumbass...". We could use another editor to keep an eye on the page to avoid the dreaded edit war. Gzuufy (talk) 23:09, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Chile spiced mango
currently redirects to the supermarket Trader Joes. I find this odd, since there's no Trader Joes near here, and I've seen chili mango, spicy chili mango, etc around. Is this specific enough for a redirect to a particular supermarket? -- 65.94.42.168 (talk) 03:53, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a good catch, and it definitely should be changed. Southeast Asians have been eating mango with chili for far longer than Trader Joe's has been in existence. Probably the redirect was put in by someone who had only seen the product at Trader Joe's and thought it was unique to them. Maybe redirect to Mango instead? PohranicniStraze (talk) 17:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems, though, that while chili-spiced mango may be a generic treat, the possibly intentionally misspelled Chile Spiced Mango is a trademark owned by Trader Joe's. So the redirect may be correct after all. On the other hand, this particular product is not mentioned in the Trader Joe's article at all, so perhaps the redirect should be deleted, leaving Chile spiced mango a red link? — Kpalion(talk) 16:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * According to wiktionary chile "chile" is a valid alternate spelling of "chili", so not a misspelling. WP:REDLINK certainly is an option, as is redirecting to mango. I'm good with going either way (change redirect or delete). -- 65.94.42.168 (talk) 21:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

RFC at Sugar
Please see Talk:Sugar. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2018 (UTC)