Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Archive 42

James Beard Foundation Award
I've asked here if the James Beard Foundation Award should be split. Feedback welcome! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Mormon foodways
Hi, I've been working on a page on my sandbox on Mormon foodways. I think it's almost ready to publish (I still need to write the lead though). I haven't written any food pages before. Is "Mormon foodways" okay as a title? It's not different enough from midwestern food to be its own cuisine, according to my colleague in Mormon folklore. A recent book on the subject of Utah foods called it "Utah food traditions." Right now I'm also thinking I should get rid of the "bread" section and put it under "Utah pioneers - processing". Some information on the page could be appropriate on Rocky Mountain cuisine, a page which is currently focused on the Canadian rocky mountain cuisine. What are your thoughts? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:25, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * update, you can read this page at Mormon foodways. I did work the bread section into the other sections. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:22, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Food and drink cannot be used inside Template:WikiProject banner shell with some parameters
It results in the page landing in Category:Pages where expansion depth is exceeded.

You can see this in this old revision of Talk:Mascarpone, which was reverted with the next edit. The call to WikiProject Food and drink looks like this:

Even without the "shell" it has a template expansion depth of 37, which is right up against the limit of 40, as shown in the source-code view of the "old revision" link above. Search for to find the parser profiling data. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  16:13, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This is an old problem, see Template talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Archive 1. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 16:34, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Help updating ADM article re: cocoa products
Hello!, David here with Archer-Daniels-Midland Company. I've posted a request at Talk:ADM (company) to update the article re: cocoa products. The Products section suggests the company still produces cocoa products even though ADM's cocoa business was sold in 2015 (as mentioned in the article's text). I'm not editing the article myself to comply with conflict of interest rules, and hoping an editor or two here might be able to help update the page for me. Thank you! ADM DavidW (talk) 15:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi again! The above request has been answered, but I've since shared two additional requests at Talk:ADM (company) to update basic product information:


 * request to add mention of flour milling
 * request to add mention of vanilla
 * Might a project member have a moment to take a look and update the page on my behalf? Thanks! ADM DavidW (talk) 23:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Food Angel - Points for improvement
The article is concise and clearly written. However, the information provided is brief and seems incomplete. The page is underdeveloped, so I suggest the following improvements:


 * More information can be added to this page by adding information that is posted on their website and by updating the information already written.


 * A bigger variety of sources can be looked into to add relevant and reliable information.


 * The article could also use some visuals, such as the logo of the organization.


 * Information needs to be added about their different services, their efforts in education, their partners, and the impact they have on society. These could be turned into additional sections, except their services which need to be added to the existing section services.


 * The article includes a clear introductory sentence, but the brief description does not include the content of the article's major sections. The lead section is also too detailed.


 * The limited content of the article is relevant to the topic, but not up-to-date. Some services are missing and the main structure of the organization is also not included or explained. The different services that the organization provides are briefly described, however, they could be expanded on.


 * The facts in the article are backed up by secondary sources. There are sources that are no longer available, and the article contains sources such as news papers and websites which seem random.


 * The article is concise and easy to read. It does not contain grammatical or spelling mistakes, and is broken down in logical sections. However, the flow of the writing is less appealing


 * The article is rated as Start-Class and as Low-importance. It is part of the WikiProject Food and Drink, WikiProject Hongkong, and WikiProject Organizations. Maybe by adding it to a different WikiProject related to non-profit organizations the article will remove more attention and might get a better status.

MLPQG (talk) 19:14, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Article on Jelly Babies
If you go the talk page of the article on Jelly Babies, you will see the article is of interest to this WikiProject, but has not received a rating on its importance scale. I would have thought it would be of low importance. Rollo August (talk) 17:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merger - Hard seltzer into Alcopop
It seems to be two articles for the same thing. I have started a discusssion at Talk:Alcopop. If it seems an obvious merge to you, please do it!  ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥

Proposed merger - Hard soda into Alcopop
This seems to be a third article for the same thing. I have started a discusssion at Talk:Alcopop. Please contribute! ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥  ♥ Talk ♥

Proposed page move
It has been proposed Franco-American (disambiguation) be renamed and moved to Franco-American. Members of this WikiProject may have opinions relevant to the discussion. Please see Talk:Franco-American (disambiguation). Cnilep (talk) 04:02, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Guinea pig Featured article review
I have nominated Guinea pig for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  16:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Tom Aikens
Someone his full busy with Tom Aikens (chef), Tom Aikens (restaurant) and Draft:Tom Aikens (restaurant). He originally proposed to merge the article about the chef and the restaurant, to which I objected as both are clearly notable. Now he is mingling the two, adding a prior career of Aikens to the restaurant and adding a case about theft in the restaurant to the article about the chef. Beside that, he added a piece about what happened with the building after the restaurant closed down. To my opinion irrelevant.

The discussion at Talk:Tom Aikens is stalling, so more eyes needed. The Banner talk 18:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Can someone fix the Lamb and Mutton article?
Lamb and mutton

This appears at the top and does not look right. Can someone fix the top? Thank you.

Condo951795 (talk) 05:31, 8 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Done! Michael.C.Wright (talk) 05:49, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you but why does Pork redirect to that article when it is neither meat? Shouldn't it be removed? Condo951795 (talk) 06:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed 'Pork' from the top. Thanks! Condo951795 (talk) 08:28, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The full explanation for all of the above may be found in, which was vandalism, pure and simple - it should simply have been reverted outright, and should not have needed [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lamb_and_mutton&action=history&offset=20210508114500&&limit=4 three separate edits] to fix. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 11:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed! Johnbod (talk) 14:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Bread loaf article merge?
I'm not sure whether pullman loaf and pan loaf are separate concepts or the same thing. Could someone familiar with bread look into it, and merge if needed and clarify if not? &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 18:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Proposal to restore the Trans Fat article that no longer exists because of a merger with Fat
Hello, I believe the article on Trans Fat should be restored. I won't repeat the explanation here, if you are interested, you can find the proposal here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fat#Request_to_Split_Fat%2FTrans_Fat

Declanscottp (talk) 19:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Triple Crown
Hi everyone. I'm not a member of this project, but I do (unofficially) co-run the Triple Crown award. As you'll see at that page, a specific WikiProject Food and drink Triple Crown was created (before my time), though we have yet to have any people nominate themselves or others for that award. If you have met the criteria (been a major contributor to a DYK, a good article and a piece of featured content that are all under the scope of this project, please feel free to nominate yourself for the award, and maybe you'll be the first winner. Further rules/clarification is available at the awards page. Oh and feel free to nominate yourself for a regular Triple Crown if you have achieved those milestones though for articles not under the scope of this project. Have a great day. Damien Linnane (talk) 15:04, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Saturated fat
There is a current discussion about saturated fat consumption and its association with disease. It might be relevant for users in this WikiProject who are interested in the topic. Link to the talk-page Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

IBA Cocktail Category
Shouldn't we have a category for these cocktails? List of IBA official cocktails —¿philoserf? (talk) 02:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Project on Okonomiyaki
Over the next week, there is going to be a work project on Okonomiyaki by the Wikipedia Discord server as part of an attempt to get Okonomiyaki to B-class and we would appreciate your help. They are trying to get all vital articles to B-class. (Oinkers42) (talk) 18:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

First Sentence is too long and has a final confusing clause
The first sentence of this article reads: "Vasilopita (Greek: Βασιλόπιτα, Vasilópita, lit. '(St.) Basil-pie' or 'Vassilis pie', see below) is a New Year's Day bread or cake in Greece and many other areas in eastern Europe and the Balkans which contains a hidden coin or trinket which gives good luck to the receiver, like the Western European."

This should be divided into multiple sentences. I have no idea what ".....like the Western European." is referring to. Needs to be clarified or removed.

100.2.120.116 (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

French fries
French fries, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Aircorn (talk) 23:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

English cuisine
An IP editor is repeatedly deleting part of this article. Some help would be appreciated. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Food article mess
I found Prawn ball in the unsourced since 2005 listing and thought I'd take a stab at getting it up to the modern WP standards, but I'm struggling how to integrate new information when the article (and related articles) aren't very good to begin with. I've made a talk discussion at Fish ball that explains the issues. I'd appreciate any comments! Cheers, Estheim (talk) 03:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Inyama Yenhloko
This South African dish seems quite likely notable, as it's a traditional ceremonial food, but sigcov is elusive. If anyone has access to books about SA/Zulu traditional cuisine/culture, it might be helpful. Other names for this dish include inyama yentloko, iskopo, and cow's head. —valereee (talk) 16:07, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

 * It would be nice if an editor involved in article assessment could evaluate the article. The project specific evaluations are blank. Talk:Crème brûlée —¿philoserf? (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Phaseolus vulgaris
Please come participate in the discussion. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Outline of food preparation categories
Is there a better term for the "Baking" category here? Otherwise, the outline seems to imply baking is a catch-all term for any method that isn't grilling or frying and includes things like steaming, pressure cooking, and infusion. 93 (talk) 14:12, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Baking is certainly wrong in this context. I cannot think of an appropriate replacement yet. My first thought is move that section to the bottom of the category and call it other. —¿philoserf? (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Beyond Meat - employee editor
There is a conflict of interest matter occurring by a company employee (in the Communications Department!) on the talk page of Beyond Meat. Observers and editors on the watch, please. Zefr (talk) 01:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

List of breads
See Talk:List of breads - posted after I saw a complaint that someone had added white bread as originating in the United States. Doug Weller talk 14:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Tangent to this, I've found Bread roll and Bun (and their counterparts List of bread rolls, List of buns) to be vague, and each article references the other. In Bread roll: "There are many terms for a bread roll within the United Kingdom depending on region. These names include... bun" and in Bun: "A bun is a... roll." From reading what's in the article, I'd say that "Bun" is far more encompassing and could be the target of a merge, however both are inadequately sourced. Since so many examples are in non-English, I also question the categorization, since the original language might have a special distinction that is unique from how buns/rolls are defined in English-speaking places.


 * I think a merge would be good, but if there's a better idea, I'm all ears. Cheers, Estheim (talk) 17:59, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Discussion about James Morton (baker)
I started the merger/redirect proposal on James Morton (baker) at Talk:List of The Great British Bake Off finalists. --George Ho (talk) 07:05, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Fried chicken which may be of interest to you. Please consider posting a comment there. Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 21:22, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

History of saffron FAR
I have nominated History of saffron for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 15:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Pastilla
Hello,

I noticed that the article about Pastilla contains many allegations that are not supported by historical facts, chief of which the claim that Pastilla is an Algerian dish.

One of the contributors to the article makes the unfounded claim that Pastilla was introduced into Morocco when some Algerian families emigrated to Tetouan upon the occupation of the city of Algiers in 1830 by the French. To give a semblance of credibility to his/her claim, the author put a footnote that talks about Baklawas and not about Pastilla. It has been an established fact that Pastilla is Moroccan origin.

I would highly appreciate it if you do the necessary to prevent impostors from claiming what does not belong to them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamirJawhara (talk • contribs) 22:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * SamirJawhara has been edit warring, removing content without a valid explanation and persistently censoring content on the Morocco World News article. Contrary to their baseless claim, the Pastilla article is extremely well sourced. In any case, should they survive WP:AIV, they will take a trip to ANI. M.Bitton (talk) 22:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

DoorDash requests
Hello! Abby here with DoorDash, hoping to find an editor willing to review a couple requests I&#39;ve posted at Talk:DoorDash. I&#39;ve proposed an update about the company&#39;s entry into international markets as well as an update regarding the number of employees. I&#39;ve received little feedback despite using Template:Request edit. I&#39;m not editing the article directly because of my conflict of interest, and I&#39;m hoping a WikiProject Food and drink member might be able to review and update the page appropriately. Thanks for any help! AH at DoorDash (talk) 20:52, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Non-diffusing categories
I created both Canadian women and men chef subcategories. I did so after seeing that American ones exist. Now generally, parents categories should not be filled with articles that can be subcategorized. Non-diffusing category templates are seemingly redundant as well. Only specific articles that can't be subcategorized should be in the main category. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 21:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * please read the WP:DUPCAT guideline that says "Subcategories defined by gender, ethnicity, religion, and sexuality should almost always be non-diffusing subcategories". The two categories Category:Canadian male chefs and Category:Canadian women chefs are defined by gender and should be non-diffusing of Category:Canadian chefs by this rule.-- Mvqr (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You didn't follow that. You added, then removed Canadian chefs category from other articles.  So if that's the "guideline," you're not following it.  Oh and it says "almost."  Take that into account.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 17:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I did follow that. I added by mistake Category:Canadian chefs to articles that contained the diffusing category Category:Canadian television chefs. I then realised my mistake and corrected it for articles in the diffusing sub-category. Category:Canadian male chefs and Category:Canadian women chefs should be non-diffusing, and articles containing them should contain either Category:Canadian chefs or the diffusing sub-category Category:Canadian television chefs.-- Mvqr (talk) 06:26, 6 December 2021 (UTC) Fix ping .-- Mvqr  (talk) 06:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Drafting an RfC on Notability of foods
I'd love to get some feedback on this draft about what should constitute clear evidence of notability of a food. —valereee (talk) 17:00, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've opened an RfC at WP:Notability. —valereee (talk) 18:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Tyrosemiophilia
Is this real?

RFC that could affect this project
There is a titling RFC at Wikipedia talk:Article titles that may affect many articles at this project. There was discussion of making the RfC handled bit by bit before all projects understood the ramifications with entertainment being singled out next in a deleted draft, and other projects after that. Whether you agree or don't agree please join in the discussion for this massive Wikipedia change. Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm sorry, I'm missing seeing how this affects food articles? —valereee (talk) 17:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe it won't. The RFC authors said they will be looking at entertainment and similar projects next so I thought I better let as many projects know as possible in case this matters to them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Looking for usable photos for an English Niños envueltos article
Hello all, I've created an English version article for Niños envueltos, a cabbage roll dish from Latin America (there's an article on the Spanish wiki), but I'm having some trouble finding a photo without copyright issues. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 02:03, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Dutch Bros: History for review
Hey WikiProject members! I've drafted an expanded and updated History section for the coffee chain Dutch Bros and am having some trouble getting editors to take a look at it. I'm a Dutch Bros employee and have a COI, so I obviously can't make the proposed edits myself. I figured editors on this WikiProject might be interested in reviewing my request, which you can read through on the | Dutch Bros talk page.

I would really appreciate any help I can get with this. Thanks so much! Hillaryjbrown (talk) 03:57, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion on John Whaite
I started the merger discussion on the John Whaite article, located at Talk:List of The Great British Bake Off finalists George Ho (talk) 23:43, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Caffeine (data page) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Caffeine (data page) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Caffeine (data page) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. DePiep (talk) 14:07, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Need help from someone who can search in Greek
I've created Koutoukian, which looks to me like very much a notable topic, but it's difficult to find sources as we have a transliteration issue plus multiple versions of the name. Can anyone help? valereee (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2022 (UTC) valereee (talk) 19:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If you do not find a reply here, then consider contacting the Greek meta:Wikimedia Embassy at el:Βικιπαίδεια:Πρεσβεία.  Bluerasberry   (talk)  19:32, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Bluerasberry! valereee (talk) 19:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Butter cookie or Palmier?
An editor at Talk:Butter cookie believes that the image here is a palmier, not a cookie at all. So do I. But are we right? If so, I'll move the file. Doug Weller talk 09:48, 20 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I would have to agree. The image was added to the page in 2006 and is from a Flickr account which simply called them butter cookies. I would replace it in the Butter cookie article and at List of cookies with something like [[File:2019-11-29 14 52 43 The interior of a tin of McKenzie & Lloyds Danish Style Butter Cookies in the Dulles section of Sterling, Loudoun County, Virginia.jpg|200px|center]] which showcases the variety of butter cookies that were explicitly described in the article. 93 (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks. I've replaced it at both articles. Doug Weller  talk 10:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

there is a candy called Lollipipes that i think should be on here
look it up on google and check the results. you'll be sure to learn about it. 71.204.113.216 (talk) 21:05, 30 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Interestingly enough there are at least six separate local news sources covering the candy:
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVtmMh7pVUs 4 News Now aka KXLY-TV
 * https://www.kxly.com/lollipipes-not-a-hit-with-some-spokane-residents/ KXLY
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIsK92cT8Pc KOIN 6
 * https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Lollipipe-crackpipe-like-candy-taken-off-store-11498757.php New Haven Register
 * https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/UPDATED-Patterson-demands-removal-of-candy-crack-11496897.php New Haven Register
 * https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/2012/03/01/oakland-county-executive-issues-warning-against-lollipipes/ Click on Detroit aka WDIV-TV
 * https://abc13.com/archive/8305494/ ABC 13 aka KTRK-TV
 * https://www.thenewsherald.com/2012/12/27/2012-year-in-review-march/ The News-Herald (Southgate, Michigan)
 * Possibly suitable for a few sentences at Candy cigarette at the very least. 93 (talk) 05:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Smithsonian Black Women in Food History edit-a-thon - Feb 1, 2022
Hi there,

You're invited to a virtual edit-a-thon related to Black women in food history hosted by the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History and National Museum of African American History and Culture. We'll be demonstrating editing articles on women chefs and food activists - Tambra Raye Stevenson, Cleora Butler, and Toni Tipton-Martin.


 * Wikipedia:WikiProject_Smithsonian_AWHI/Meetup/Wiki_Focus:_Black_Women_in_Food_History_2.0

Hope to see some of you there to help edit articles and contribute to the conversation! Fuzheado &#124; Talk 15:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sel gris
Can we work on improving this short article, especially its sourcing? Bearian (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC) sure thing bearian 1:32 2/2/2022 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yahoot77 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Seeking advice on "medaillon" the round cut of meat
What I first thought was a simple, obvious, edit has become a contended discussion here. While there is no need for you to get into the specifics of the discussion, I could use some assistance on a couple points. Thanks much! PoundTales (talk) 11:13, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Can anyone locate an article or article section that discusses a "medaillon"? My search has not turned up anything, but this is far from my subject of expertise.  Perhaps someone here who is more familiar with these articles can help find something appropriate.
 * 2) The anglicized spelling, "medallion", has three meanings, of which the round cut of meat is the third. If you were to create an article on this subject, what would you name it?  I proposed Medallion (meat cut), but I feel it may be a bit clunky and odd.  Others have proposed Medallion (cooking) and Medallion (food), but a medaillon is neither a method of cooking nor a kind of food.  It's a cut of meat.  Does anyone have a better suggestion for the proper disambiguator?  Perhaps you have a standard term that I'm not aware of.  This is out of my league, so I thought it would be good to seek the opinion of those better versed than I.

Owamni photo in Minneapolis article
Should a photo of restaurant Owamni remain in the article Minneapolis? Because it resurrects indigenous food, Owamni is celebrated, but some editors feel the photo we've got isn't good enough. Discussion on talk hasn't reached consensus and is overheated. I'm considering going to RfC but wonder if anyone here knows of Sean Sherman (the Sioux Chef) and Owamni and would offer an opinion. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC) (edited)
 * Never mind. Problem resolved. Best wishes. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Convert Lean meat to an article for April Fools Day
May I? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:28, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

John Antioco: Career section edit request
Hello! I'm a COI editor here on behalf of John Antioco, whose Wiki page I'm trying to improve. Mr. Antioco has had a robust career that includes time as CEO of Taco Bell, P.F. Chang's, and Red Mango. He has also, through his investment firm JAMCO, purchased a controlling stake in restaurant chains such as Friendly's and TGI Fridays. The current version of his page hardly includes any information on this, so I put together a new Career section that covers those details as well as his tenure at other large companies like Blockbuster and 7-Eleven. I was wondering if anyone on this WikiProject would help me out by reviewing my draft? It's available in full on my user page, and you can see my initial Career edit request on the John Antioco talk page. Any assistance would be much appreciated! Thank you. Daryl at McGriffin Media (talk) 20:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Brindisa
A new contribution I made was rejected because of insufficient independent sourcing, which I fixed. I reposted the contribution and after several days, added tags. It is now (I think) in here. What happens next? Derekguthrie (talk) 21:34, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Black and Tan
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Black and Tan that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 19:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Nestlé boycott
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nestlé boycott that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 02:13, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Durian
I have nominated Durian for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 17:36, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Fermented tea
Hello everybody,

I opened a new discussion on Talk:Fermented_tea, proposing to rename the page.

In my contribution, I present the standard English nomenclature of tea used in China since 2014, point out some possible misunderstandings caused by the use of the term "fermented tea", propose to change the name of the page into "Dark tea" or "post-fermented tea”, and suggest to create a disambiguation page for "Fermented tea". --Laozha (talk) 05:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

How to remove cookbook part of food infobox
I can't figure out why the article taco pizza has a wikibook cookbook link on the infobox. There is no cookbook for it on wikibooks so I was hoping to remove the link. SL93 (talk) 04:25, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a search link, not a link to an existing page. You can suppress it with yes. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 21:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. SL93 (talk) 23:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Page for generic, non-WFP-related "high energy biscuits"?
With myself staying in Shanghai chewing some wheat-based emergency rations, I realized that there does not really appear to be a page for this sort of thing on Wikipedia. What want is a generic term similar to how the terms hardtack and energy bar are used, describing a product similar to the high energy biscuit but without the WFP-mandated nutrition baseline. It's clearly not a hardtack in the traditional sense (not tooth-breaking, not leavened), but also not a normal energy bar in the snack-sports-food sense.

Talk:emergency rations has (sorry for bothering you!) mentioning these things. A common English term on Amazon.com for these things seems to be "emergency food bars" or "survival food bars". In Mandarin we just call it 压缩饼干 "compressed biscuits", which also applies to hardtack.

Just to complicate things a bit:
 * Exported 压缩饼干 seem to use the HEB term on amazon.sg.
 * Not all "HEB" HEB are unleavened bricks. Google Image search produces quite some variety in European and UN offerings. I guess they are using the WFP definition, so it's fair.

Artoria2e5 🌉 17:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)


 * No bother! We are a collaboration. I'll see whether I can find more time for this, and thanks for the research and ping. Andrewa (talk) 05:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Merge List of bakery cafés into List of bakeries?
See merge proposal at Talk:List of bakeries. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I've proposed merging the category, too: Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 27. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Coffeehouses vs cafės
Café redirects to Coffeehouse, should then also Category:Cafés and all if its subcategories be merged/renamed to Category:Coffeehouses? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would say no. The two terms are strong in different countries. It might be best to merge to Category:Cafés and coffeehouses. How notable vast swathes of these actually are is a question. Johnbod (talk) 13:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

You might be interested in the merge I just proposed in the bottom section of this Talk page. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Omaha Steaks request
Hi Wikipedia editors, I'm a part of the communications team at Omaha Steaks and I'd like to see if a member of the Food and drink WikiProject can review a request that seems especially relevant. On the Omaha Steaks article Talk page, I've shared a revised draft that streamlines the article's content and updates references while still retaining critical information (and readability throughout).

I will not make any changes to the page myself due to my conflict of interest, so I'm hoping editors can help with this. Thanks, Omaha Steaks Ashley (talk) 19:08, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Black-owned restaurants
For this ongoing collaboration, I've created a couple new entries about Black-owned restaurants. Anyone interested in participating? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I've created List of Black-owned restaurants if editors are aware of other entries to add. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:26, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Alu tikki
Please see this article discussion over at Talk:Alu tikki. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 00:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Category:American restaurants
Should we create Category:American restaurants for restaurants serving American cuisine? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Missing articles
This is a note about User:Utfor/Missing articles/Food and drink, which may be of interest to your WikiProject. Utfor (talk) 16:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Henry Thiele Restaurant
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:05, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Henry Thiele Restaurant

Update: Kept --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Redirect issue
Response to Talk:Glossary_of_wine_terms is welcome. Utfor (talk) 19:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Solved: Full bodied wine redirected to Wine tasting descriptors. Utfor (talk) 17:52, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

No notable restaurants for various types of cuisine?
I'm a bit surprised Wikipedia has no entries for notable restaurants know for serving various types of cuisine. For example:
 * There are no notable restaurants serving Category:Bolivian cuisine?
 * There are no notable restaurants serving Category:Costa Rican cuisine?
 * There are no notable restaurants serving Category:Ecuadorian cuisine?
 * Category:Nicaraguan cuisine?
 * Category:Uruguayan cuisine?

This short list focuses on Latin American cuisine, but I could keep going across food genres. Would any project members be interested in helping to create entries about notable restaurants for some of the less-covered types of cuisine? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Know of any notable restaurants serving African cuisine? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:55, 28 May 2022 (UTC)


 * , we might look at African chefs such as Abigail Mbalo-Mokoena to see if some of these restaurants are also notable. I went back and forth on whether to create the bio or the article about the restaurant. valereee (talk) 19:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Alcohol laws of New Jersey Featured article review
I have nominated Alcohol laws of New Jersey for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  22:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Crisp sandwich
There is an on-going issue with perceived geographic bias on the article for Crisp sandwich. Some more input on the most recent discussion on the talk page would be gratefully received! Smirkybec (talk) 09:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Backlog of errors in usage of Template:Infobox food
I just added parameter checking to Infobox food. The tracking cat for unknown parameters is Category:Pages using infobox food with unknown parameters. There are 500+ instances of incorrect usage. That's more than I can easily fix by myself, so I'm appealing to other editors in this WikiProject to help clean up the usage. Thanks for any help! — hike395 (talk) 06:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Sara Hauman
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Sara Hauman

Disambiguation of Praline
Could you help to disambiguate links to Praline which are shown on this list? I don't know enough to pick the right one between Praline (nut confection) and Praline (Belgian chocolate).&mdash; Rod talk 15:58, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Omaha Steaks request
Hi Wikipedia editors, I'm a part of the communications team at Omaha Steaks and I'd like to see if a member of the Food and drink WikiProject can review a request that seems especially relevant. On my user talk page, I've shared a revised draft that streamlines the article's content and updates references while still retaining critical information (and readability throughout). I will not make any changes to the page myself due to my conflict of interest, so I'm hoping editors can help with this. Thanks, Omaha Steaks Ashley (talk) 14:37, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

GAR for deep frying
Deep frying has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 19:19, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Swabian Spätzle
Someone should merge Swabian Spätzle into Spätzle. This has been proposed since 2017 at Talk:Spätzle and no one has objected. Sadly both articles are almost entirely unsourced so it's hard to know what to keep. GA-RT-22 (talk) 17:47, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

AfD: Evelyn Garcia (chef)
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:51, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Evelyn Garcia (chef)

Coffee
Hey, the WikiProject Vital articles is trying to push Coffee to GA. What do you think we should improve on first? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 05:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Article structure and layout
Does the project endorse any particular structure or layout for articles? I don't see any explicit guidelines, but looking over the Featured articles they do seem to generally follow the same structure, with sections for Etymology, Taxonomy (where appropriate), Description (or Variations or both), History, Preparation, and Culture, in that order. But there is a lot of variation. GA-RT-22 (talk) 17:19, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Skillet
Proposed move at Talk:Skillet Street Food --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Britannia Pub
Britannia Pub has been nominated for deletion, if any project members want to weigh in. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Skillet Street Food
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Skillet Street Food that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 20:25, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Daily Dozen Doughnut Company
I've nominated Daily Dozen Doughnut Company for Good status, if anyone's interested in reviewing. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Splitting discussion for Soft diet


An article that been involved with (Soft diet) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (Pureed diet). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. AngusW🐶🐶F ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Wild Turkey
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wild Turkey that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Omaha Steaks request
Hello food lovers! I'm searching for another editor to take a look at the conversation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Omaha_Steaks. There are a few other editors that have made some changes to the Omaha Steaks article and would like another editor to take a look before pushing it live. I won't be doing it myself because I have a conflict of interest. I would appreciate any help as I've been working on this project for a while and would love to button it up. Let me know if you can help! Omaha Steaks Ashley (talk) 15:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

A square of puff pastry with pastry cream
Please see Talk:Cremeschnitte WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Non-vegetarian, Requesting inputs @ WP:DUE
An input request about 'Indian Non-vegetarian food culture' @ WP:DUE

&#32;Bookku   (talk) 08:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Content dispute at Talk:Milk Bar (bakery)
Could we get another set of eyes at Talk:Milk_Bar_(bakery)? Thanks for any help! Valereee (talk) 12:30, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Chung Chun Rice Dog
Any project members interested in helping to expand Chung Chun Rice Dog? - -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * , sorry, been busy enough that I haven't been keeping track of my watch, just saw this when I came in below. I've expanded some, will look around for more. Valereee (talk) 12:42, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

IP edits at Macedonian cuisine
An IP is making repeated edits at Macedonian cuisine. Could someone take a look please. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Improving the page on writer Florence White
Hi, I'm Andrea Broomfield, an English professor and food historian who has made extensive edits to what was the very brief entry on the food writer, Florence White. I am very new to editing _Wikipedia_ and nervous about doing this work, but I also know that it is vital to participate in this project. Currently, the entry is rated as "Start Class--Low Importance", and it had at one time been proposed to have the entry deleted. It is unclear to me how one raises the page's status. I would like to continue to add to the entry; however, the vast majority of my information on White comes from her autobiography (heavily cited in the entry), and from there, the synopsis of that autobiography that I have written for my own blog. If editors with more experience have suggestions, I would appreciate the advice/encouragement/corrections. Thanks, Andrea Abroomfield (talk) 19:07, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A belated welcome and don't be nervous, we've all got to start somewhere! First off - you should always link to the article you're talking about from a project page, it makes it easier for people to work out what you're talking about, especially in this case where there are multiple people with the same name.	I've done a bit of tidying up - it's generally good practice to include an infobox whenever possible (it helps the likes of Google extract key information), and you should use British English when writing about British subjects per WP:ENGVAR, so eg tumour rather than tumor. Not a biggy. As far as assessment goes, anyone (including you) can assess up to B level (bearing in mind the assessment guidelines) by editing the template on the Talk page (as I just did) - it's not far off a B at the moment, but normally you'd expect a picture on a biography and it could do with breaking up into more sections. Generally you want to be looking at sections of no more than 4-5 paragraphs or so, you're not writing an academic paper.  Also the introduction should very briefly summarise the whole article (doesn't need references as any facts should be referenced later on), but a clause or sentence to sum up each section is the ideal.
 * I hate the way most projects use the word "importance" for assessment when really what they meant is "priority for that particular project to work on" - a big sprawling project like this has many "general" articles which are higher priority than articles on individual aspects and people. So for instance even Cookbook is only a High, and Isabella Beeton is only a Mid. In terms of where to go next then the obvious targets are Good Article (roughly the standard of the article you'd find in a traditional encyclopedia like Britannica) and Featured Article ("Professional, outstanding, and thorough; a definitive source for encyclopedic information") - the guidelines for GA and for FA and the links therein are a good place to start. You're really not far off GA standard right now. You've clearly been looking at some of the FA articles like Jane Grigson for formatting, which is the right thing to do although the food writers have mostly been written by one editor who has some ideas that I would say are...not the norm. Have a look at a wider range of FAs such as to get a broader idea. One thing I would say is - always remember your reader, and don't get too lost in the detail, remember to keep the "story" flowing, it's not about listing every single fact that is possibly known about the subject. It's not great to rely so heavily on one source, particularly when it's her own writing, but I get that it's the nature of the beast to some extent.
 * I can understand why you might want to make someone like White more visible, but to be honest the big things that academics can bring to Wikipedia are :
 * 1) Broad background knowledge that allows them to write the general articles that are really difficult to write but which are the ones our readers are most interested in. To pick out examples - À_la_carte, Bistro, Brunch, Casserole, Seasoning and Silver_service are pretty terrible articles that are getting >200,000 views per year in most cases; Delicatessen is not much better and gets ~500k views per year. Then there are others like Food museum which is an example of a topic that's important to the project without getting so many pageviews. And just generally it would be great to get any article in up to GA level.
 * 2) The other big advantage academics have is access to sources which allows you to add the WP:REFERENCES which are critical to a good Wikipedia article but usually the biggest weakness. It's particularly important in making the step up to GA
 * Somewhat specific to this project is that everybody thinks they know about food, and so the general articles here tend to lack the rigour that an academic can bring.
 * Anyway, hope this helps and ... have fun! FlagSteward (talk) 16:08, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks FlagSteward! This is tremendously helpful. I will do what I can to educate myself about the tasks I should do and continue to make changes. Abroomfield (talk) 19:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Abroomfield

Requested move at Talk:Paddu
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Paddu that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Hors d'oeuvre
RfC for moving Hors d'oeuvre > Appetizer which may be of interest to this project. Valereee (talk) 16:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Daily Dozen Doughnut Company
Daily Dozen Doughnut Company is at AfD. Discussion participation welcome. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Minneapolis has an RFC
Minneapolis has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. SusanLesch (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Tag at Owamni
Would other editors care to weigh in at Talk:Owamni regarding the notability tag? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:53, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Howl at the Moon (piano bar)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Howl at the Moon (piano bar) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 00:14, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Taco rosa
Mexican restaurant near Newport Beach 2600:8802:4507:B4E0:59D6:EE35:8E7:7485 (talk) 22:02, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Ben's Chili Bowl
Ben's Chili Bowl has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.

Proposed split of Apium graveolens and celery
Please see Talk:Celery for a proposed split. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:46, 29 December 2022 (UTC)