Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Beverages Task Force/Archive/Soft Drinks 2

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Project Scope?
I'm thinking here that we might want to expand the scope of this project beyond simply carbonated soft drinks to possibly include milk, coffee, tea, mate, and the other drinks in the Category:Non-alcoholic beverages as well. Right now, there are no active projects dealing with these subjects, which are of serious importance to the daily lives of a number of people, and I think it might be a good idea to expand, so that, if nothing else, these articles will be observed by somebody. I welcome any and all responses. Badbilltucker 01:48, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * We might as well expand the scope of the project to include most or all nonalcoholic drinks. For that matter, I still wonder if we shouldn't just merge with WikiProject Food and drink. I'm not trying to kill the project, and I plan to start helping out some (I've been on a wikibreak for a while), but I don't know if there are enough members to keep two separate projects going. The food and drink project seems pretty slow as it is. But, if people don't want to merge, then it would probably make sense to have one project for food and one project for nonalcoholic drinks. There are already projects for beer and wine, so I guess that just leaves other alcoholic drinks... I don't know where they'd fit in. WikiProject Vodka, anyone? Philbert2.71828 00:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello. The following is from the recent, unanimously adopted Mixed Drinks and related Drinkware WikiProject's name change proposal that involved a clarification to the project's scope included within the proposal that also involves this WikiProject: WikiProject Soft drinks and WikiProject Mixed Drinks would have some overlap among the non-alcoholic drinks, mostly when it comes to drink mixers, which include soda pops and other soft drinks. That could lead to turf wars, where Participants attempt to claim ownership or other rights over an article. Such claims of ownership are ridiculous since nobody owns any articles, whether an individual or a WikiProject. Further, the two WikiProjects are siblings, and are working for common goals. To avoid such disputes, part of [the unanimously adopted] proposal [was] that, subject to agreement by the Soft Drinks project, any article concerning an individual drink product (say, lemonade or carbonated water) falls under the primary oversight by the Soft Drinks project, and any drink created by mixing any two drinks together, like sparkling lemonade (lemonade mixed with carbonated water) would fall under the primary oversight of the Mixed Drinks project. The same holds true for WikiProject Beer, WikiProject Wine, or any others.

In short, and I hope that everyone here agrees (Badbilltucker advised that he did not feel it would likely be an issue) with this clarification. I realize that overlap does exist (as I've noticed when looking at the talk pages of articles and seeing both projects' header banners on the same page), and this just helps to clarify things a bit. In no way does this mean that Mixed Drinks "owns" any of Soft Drinks's articles, or vice versa. Nobody "owns" articles on Wikipedia. But we obviously do nurture, monitor, and focus on articles within the scope of our various projects. I'm in both projects (though so far, mostly active in Mixed Drinks, but I hope to make a shift after February after the cleanup initiative is complete), and I see plenty of work to be shared between both projects. In fact, where there is double-coverage, I think that can only help, because a lot of times, such articles are on the fringes of a project's interest, and might be neglected. This way, both projects will do a better job together than one alone. Agree? Disagree? Positively neutral? :-) --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb ) 06:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessments?
Hi. As many of you will see, I just joined the project today. I know from personal experience that there are a number of projects out there engaged in assessments, and I wonder whether the members of this project would be interested in performing them on these articles as well. It does have the advantage of giving us a clear idea of where the articles stand in terms of quality. Also, it might be possible for us to agree to select a given set or number of articles as being of Top-importance to the project. After discussing which articles should be included, it would give us some guidelines on which articles are most deserving of concentrated effort to improve. As above, I welcome any and all responses. Badbilltucker 01:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * We should probably come up with some idea of what a good soft drink article should be like, and criteria for whether a given drink warrants its own page. There are probably quite a few articles that are stubs simply because there isn't much to say about some drinks. See for example Mezzo Mix, tuKola, and Coca-Cola with Lemon. I started the Lemon Coke article because all of the other varieties of Coke already had their own articles, but I don't think every drink necessarily needs its own article. I've been planning to consolidate some of the less famous varieties of Coke into one page, Varieties of Coca-Cola, but haven't done it yet (see User:Philbert2.71828/Varieties of Coca-Cola for a start). We should probably decide which articles can be expanded and which ones could be consolidated into an article discussing a particular company's soft drink lineup, for example. Philbert2.71828 01:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merger with tea
I wonder if the members of the project would consider merging the now inactive WikiProject Tea into this project. That project has had comparatively little recent activity, and has a few templates which I think it might be a good idea to keep in use. Any and all responses are welcome. Badbilltucker 23:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Fried Coke - hm
Someone has added the WP SD template to the entry on Fried Coke. While I understand the logic, Fried Coke isn't a drink at all, but a fried-batter snack food that includes Coca-Cola as an ingredient. I would question diluting the project with this kind of inclusion. Lawikitejana 23:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be me who added the template. I'm surprised that anybody noticed at all, especially so quickly. However, the scope of any given WikiProject isn't strictly limited to the most obvious articles, especially when considering that multiple projects can have one article fall within their scopes.
 * For example, San Francisco International Airport falls under the scope of WP:AIRPORTS, WP:CAL and WP:ARCH. Because the article in question is an airport, should it not be listed with the other two as well, even though they're less relevant? Would you consider the effect on the last two projects "dilution"?
 * I don't really feel strongly either way about the article, to be honest. But if everybody does decide to limit the project strictly to non-alcoholic beverage articles only, I'd recommend you also remove it from the five former Coca-Cola executives, the many soda bottling companies and The Pop Shoppe that I also added it to. thadius856talk 01:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * At first I was sort of disgusted by the thought of it, as well as uncertain that it should be included here. But after pondering it a bit, I think there are potentially a lot of interesting foods that use soft drinks in novel ways, and these foods are not always consumed as a beverage. So I after I got over my initial horror, I think I would provisionally accept its inclusion. Just my two cents.--Filll 01:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As an aside, it doesn't really sound that disgusting to me. I had the same reaction when I first saw the deep-fried Twinkie, which actually turned out to quite palatable with a dusting of powdered sugar and chocolate sauce drizzled on top. thadius856talk 01:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I feel like there's a difference between Coke executives, who have a direct impact on the category, and a recipe with Coke in it. So I'd be inclined to leave the Coke execs and bottling plants, but not so much Fried Coke.  That's just my 2¢ anyway. --BizMgr (talk) 04:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Nestea
You have just added the task Wikify:Nestea to your project or at least tried to. On that page I removed an unsourced and very long list of flavours in countries which semmed to me like marketing. This was reverted twice as 'vandalism' and after levingan explanation ont talk page, I was also told to leave the page alone :-(. I will actually heed that advice, but not without entrusting you to wikify that page and wishing you good luck with a project that hopefully will not fall prey to commercial and personal bias. Tikiwont 13:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

BibiCaffè
Hello, I'm the importer so I am following the rules of impartiality and submitting for your discussion the inclusion of BibiCaffe. You have Mazagran and Blak information, BibiCaffe is the most likely inspiration of Mazagran, it was big in Seattle when Starbucks introduced Mazagran, and Coke Blak is the same type of product, but with a much longer ingredient list. Please peruse www.bibicaffe.com and www.bibicaffe.it and let me know if you think it would be something that should be included. Thank you. DedBB 19:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 22:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Templates
I was just wondering if anyone else thought that a Root Beer template would be beneficial. There is a template for Cola, Citrus, Lemon/Lime,...etc It just seems logical to have a Root beer template. Though I could be wrong. --MJHankel 23:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Aside from the possible fact that maybe nobody knows how to program one, why all the separate templates? Why not create one template that works for all the various soft drinks? I'm assuming you are speaking of an Infobox template. I just created one for the Mixed Drinks and related Drinkware WikiProject that dynamically updates a lot of information based simply on the options you select (see WPMIXInfobox). This makes it very easy for people to edit, only one template needs to be used, and things update on the fly. You can even change the color of the infoboxes based on the drink that is selected.

Since I have created one already, I would imagine it wouldn't be too terribly difficult to adapt that first one for use in this WikiProject. The main thing that I would need would be a clear understanding of what information people want to see in a comprehensive infobox (all possible options), and if there is information that is dependent upon other information (e.g., captions are dependent upon an image being included, so even if a caption is provided, if there is no picture, the caption is not displayed). --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb ) 06:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I think MJHankel is talking about navboxes (Template:Citrus sodas,Template:Lemon-lime sodas, template:Root beer brands, and Template:Colas. Infoboxes for Template:Infobox beverage seems to work well enough. I inserted the Lemon-lime navbox inside the citrus soda navbox.  I though there might be one navbox for all and create a test navbox for all citrus soda types at my sandbox which is split into Citrus Sodas line (a line with two or more Citrus sodas), Citrus Sodas (indetermined or multiple citrus fruit flavors), Lemon-lime sodas (included single flavored sodas), Orange (even odd orange), and Grapefruit sodas. Spshu (talk) 19:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Project Header
The infobox I mentioned above also ties in with another thing I am developing for WP:MIX, which is a WikiProject banner for the talk pages of mixed drink articles. One aspect of it that I was hoping to implement is a sort of "shared relationship" notation for articles. That way, we would only have to clutter the talk page with one banner, but if multiple sister WikiProjects within Food & Drink share the article, we can all identify it as such. An example would be where lemonade and seltzer water would have the Soft Drinks banner, but Sparkling Lemonade (a mixed drink of lemonade and seltzer water) would have the banner of Mixed Drinks AND a section of the banner would also identify the drink as being part of the Soft Drinks project. One banner for two WikiProjects. Likewise, Coca-Cola is a very common drink mixer, but it more logically falls under Soft Drinks than under Mixed Drinks in the article. It would be nice to be able to tag it with the Soft Drinks header, but also have the Mixed Drinks project appear there, but not clutter the page with a separate box.

My idea for this comes from The Beatles WikiProject, which uses a similar header that ties in the living persons biography tags, the Beatles header, and some other groups as well. It makes for a pleasantly compact header box, reduces the chances of any "turf wars" that could develop if people think that a header signifies "ownership" of an article (which it doesn't). The same would hold true for Beer, Wine, and Coffee/Tea, Foodservice, and the other sister projects of Food * Drink (including F&D).

The best thing about this, as far as WP:MIX goes, is that it implements article assessments, which Soft Drinks is already doing (though not as completely as it could/should be). In that respect, the Soft Drinks header is good, because we already identify stubs, starts, and so-on. The new header will do that, but also include importance, which is part of the newer standards.

I am already planning on making the Soft Drinks project one of these headers after the initial one for WP:MIX is completed, and then doing the same for the other F&D sister projects. I'd appreciate any thoughts or ideas before I complete the header, because it's much easier to design new features in from the start than to go back and add them after the thing goes live. Thanks! --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb ) 06:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

A little list....
Hi. I wasn't aware of your project...

Perhaps you might be interested in a list I started independently? User:ShakespeareFan00/DrinksBrands

I also started Minor soft drink brands so that if needed a number of short sub-stubs could be combined...

Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 14:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The list is now at List of brand name soft drinks products Thanks

ShakespeareFan00 18:01, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the list. How are you determining "major" vs. "minor" brands (sales volume, etc.) and in which markets? --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb ) 02:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sales, Volumes and whether anyone's heard of them outside thier orignal markets. :-).

The reason for creating the minor brands page was so that sub-stubs could be grouped. Typically these minor brands might be those put out by a single small or independent bottling plant (like for example in the UK a Regional Brewery), those serving a nice market etc. I can forsee there might be some friction over major vs minor. I also for example collapsed part of the list (I.E it needn't include links to every single Coca_Cola variant ;-) )


 * As you can probably see, I've tried to group the brands a bit in the list,

However the complexities of some of the brands between the three giants of Big Soda it may appear that sometimes I have made a rather arbitrary choice :-(


 * In terms of areas/markets my list has a slight systemic bias towards the UK at present, but I am sure with the support of your project (collaboration drive?) this could be countered. The aim was to include all brands that have 'notability' or are significant in some way (as per some notability

guidelines I had worked out with any contributor)
 * BTW IF you know where else to mention the list, please LMK.


 * There is also a confectionery brands list if you know of sutiable wikiproject to mention it to:)

ShakespeareFan00 01:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

BIg Soda...
I've seen this term used in some articles, perhaps you could improve the temporay article here and move it to article space when done?

ShakespeareFan00 01:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Job Requested above done
ShakespeareFan00, I just got finished editing that Big soda into an article. sorry I haven't gotten to it recently --Spanky 14:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Format of main page
I may have bumped into a few of you on here and as such you may know I work extensively on WikiProject Food and Drink which is the parent project to this one. As such, I have in an attempt to revive some of the other projects which have softened by revamping their main pages and adding subsidiary pages for better organization and appeal. Now this project has a large following and doesn't necessarily at this point need appeal for new members, but it can never hurt as you saw with the one proposal to delete this project in the past. It will also give the page an ease of use for places to click and get templates along with info on merge proposals, deletion proposals, and other information on the project.

As this project is very active I wanted to talk here first about helping the project by putting it along the format which WikiProject Food and Drink, Wikiproject Wine, WikiProject Foodservice and WikiProject Cheeses are currently under. I'm still finalizing Foodservice and I am offering the same to the remaining projects under Food and Drink as well. Please take a look at the other pages and tell me what you think when you get a chance.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 03:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Coffee
Hi, I thought I should give this Wikiproject a heads-up that Coffee is now a Featured Article Candidate here, since it's within the scope of your project. Cheers, Jude. 10:30, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Fergusade
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Review A&W root beer article
I have worked on said article, and think it is above start-level class. Please review the article and change class as neccessary. - ~VNinja~ 00:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is now up for peer review. The subpage can be found at Peer review/A&W Root Beer. All comments welcome. Thanks. Woody (talk) 18:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Pepsi Blue
I rehashed the Pepsi Blue article and was able to add domestic references. Is anyone able to find citations for the foreign distribution claims/dates? I'd love feedback on my edits if anyone has them, too. --BizMgr (talk) 07:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Crystal Pepsi contest
In the Crystal Pepsi article, there is a reference to people flipping the bottles over to look for winning caps in the launch contest. Which I, myself, did. But I can't find any significant references covering (or even mentioning) this. Anybody else run across any?

On the up side, I got the rest of the article cited. --BizMgr (talk) 04:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Monster Energy
This article is remarkably poor quality, can anyone here help clean it up?—Random832 19:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Sarsaparilla
FYI I notice the page for Sarsaparilla is included in this project. I just added a reference to it being the name of a drink, but you guys should feel free to edit that into a paragraph about the drink (eg that the commercial drink doesn't contain the root of the Sarsaparilla vine) --Mortice (talk) 17:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Double gulp
Hey there - I nominated Double gulp for delete (with a redirect to 7-eleven). It's got a Wikiproj Soft Drinks tag on it so I thought I'd mention it here at the project page. Credo From  Start    talk  18:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Store Brand Colas
Some like Bubba Cola have there own page while Big K Cola just redirects to Krogers would it not make more sense to have one page, Cola - store brands, or some such name (Cola - off brands or Soft drinks - store brands) for all these store brands as there is not much to say about them? Spshu (talk) 15:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Alternate banner
Hello,

I have recently modified the banner so that it supports this project and its tea & coffee task force. I did this to cut down on the number of banners that appear at the top of each article talk page, and let people see the relationship between our projects.

Just add the |soda=yes switch to any tag at the top of the article talk page and you will get this:

Just add the |coffee=yes switch to any tag at the top of the article talk page and you will get this:

As you can see, this projects will be prominently displayed in the banner.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 23:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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Rating and Help Please!
Hey, could someone come by Odwalla and rate the article? I want to get it up to GA at least, but I need a lot of help! Thanks! Intothewoods29 (talk) 16:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Community forum on standards
Based upon a discussion on the WP Food talk page, a community forum has been set up for the various Food and Drink projects develop a set of Manual of Style guidelines for use in articles under the auspices of the related Food and Drink WikiProjects and their task forces. These guidelines would be similar to the MoS guidelines for biographies or legal topics.

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 * Once a consensus has been reached, this page is where we will post the standards.


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--Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 02:56, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Kvass, soft drinks & alcoholic beverages
''Hi, I'm just looking at the recent edits to Kvass and its inclusion on Template:Alcoholic beverages. While it is fermented and it does contain a fraction of alcohol...where do we draw the line between a "soft drink" and an "alcoholic beverage"? Many traditional soft drinks, such as ginger beer, root beer, etc. contain a small measure (typically .5% ABV) of alcohol. --Killing Vector (talk) 22:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)''

Main discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Soft drinks
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Image needs replacement - Malta (soft drink)
Hello all...

An image used in the article, specifically Image:HPIM0351.JPG, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.

You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 20:55, 4 October 2008 (UTC)