Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France/Archive 7

Help with French source: Casus Belli magazine
[This is a cross-post from the French Wikipedia's WikiProject Games, as I hope to get more eyes on it]

Hello, all! I am currently working on articles about the tabletop role-playing game series World of Darkness (Monde des ténèbres), and have been gathering reviews and other coverage of the series that we can use as sources. I have gotten hold of a lot of RPG magazines, but am missing three that I've learned contains WoD reviews, so I figured I'd ask if anyone here happens to have access to them. The magazine in question is the French publication Casus Belli, and the issues I am looking for are: (click links for cover images) If anyone has access to any of these and is able to provide me with scans / photos of the reviews mentioned, I would be very grateful. Thank you, --AlexandraIDV 07:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Casus Belli V2 #5 (Dec 2000), which contains a review of Hunter: The Reckoning (Exterminateur : Le Jugement)
 * Casus Belli V2 #16 (Oct 2002), which contains a review of Guide to the Traditions (Guide des Traditions)
 * Casus Belli V2 #21 (Aug 2003), which contains reviews of Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom and Victorian Age: Vampire (Vampire : l'Ere Victorienne)
 * Update: a very helpful editor from FRWP has scanned the review in #16 for me, but I am still looking for #5 and #21.--AlexandraIDV 23:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Educ'France
This article came up for me as an orphan, but could also do with some editing to clarify what it is actually does, if anyone can help. Specifically, I think the sentence "Educ'France is a civil society organisation, a player active on the web, which offers a dynamic reflection, without bias and outside the French bureaucracy" is unclear. Help would be welsome - thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 07:49, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Question on a photo
I found File:Equipe des sports TF1 à Rolland Garros.jpg on Commons, and it says that one of the people is Pierre Cangioni, who I've written an article about. Wondered if anyone would be able to work out which of the six people in the photo is Cangioni? I'd like to crop the photo to just be Cangioni for the article about him. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:09, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Flag of the Bourbon Restoration
The flag presented on the Bourbon Restoration article is, but the flag listed on Template:Country data Bourbon Restoration is. However, that file's page states it is a naval ensign, and the Flag of France article says it was a naval ensign and national flag. Then we have the which says it is the "Alternative Flag of Kingdom of France". Which of these flags is correct? 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 05:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Rfc: lede of French Revolution
An Rfc concerning the lede of French Revolution is under discussion at Talk:French Revolution. Your feedback would be appreciated. Mathglot (talk) 18:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Update to peer review page
Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page (WikiProject France/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.

The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process (WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.

The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.

I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me in your response.

Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) (talk) 23:17, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

FAR for Battle of Blenheim
I have nominated Battle of Blenheim for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:03, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Update and simplification of MOS:FRENCHCAPS proposed
Please see: — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Transcription check needed


Please can someone check the French text on the above certificate? I have it as Les Éclaireurs Vaconistestes de France, but am not sure about the third word. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that third word doesn't ring any bells, and the picture is too hazy. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 15:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at the letters 'c' and 'i' in the handwriting at full zoom, I suspect that the problematic word might possibly be "Vaionistestes", but that doesn't make sense either. Also problematic is that it looks like a female plural, while Éclaireurs (Pathfinders/Scouts) has a masculine plural form (the feminine would be Éclaireuses). --RexxS (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess it should be “Eclaireurs unionistes”, and by mistake the “tes” was written twice. See Eclaireuses et Eclaireurs Unionistes de France. Markussep Talk 20:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Awesome detective work, ! That's so obvious when it's pointed out. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Marvellous! Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Awesome detective work, ! That's so obvious when it's pointed out. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Marvellous! Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Marvellous! Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Marvellous! Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Sel gris
Can we work on imporving the sourcing for this article? Sil vous plait. Bearian (talk) 21:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Chopin
Please note there is an RfC at Talk:Frédéric Chopin.--Smerus (talk) 13:53, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Page move for Communes of France
Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:36, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès
Hi everyone, I just want to let you know that I am currently working to make Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès a featured article by expanding it from its French version, which is a featured article. I am not improving the article directly because it's complicated, but instead on this draft. I do not have a lot of time, so the work goes really slow. So if someone are interested in working on this, he/she is welcomed to join me ! Thanks to anyone interested. -- Schweiz41 (talk) 19:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Population tables and charts
Some 500 articles about communes in France use the template Table Population Town for population tables, and some 300 articles use the template Chart Population Town for population charts. Both these templates take their population data from templates like Database Population Ablon. There have been discussions in the past about data templates like these, for instance at TfD Unused database population templates and RfC on templates storing data. There are some problems with this system, and I would like to discuss these here:
 * templates like Database Population Ablon are only used on one page (in this case: Ablon), which is not the purpose of the Template namespace
 * it is not easy to update the population data in the database templates, for instance it is impossible to add a third population reference (it will not show up correctly in the population table)
 * the population table layout is very rigid and does not have functionality like per annum growth rates, unlike e.g. Historical populations
 * the population chart template is even more rigid and will not display correctly if population data for one of the census years is missing (see e.g. Autruche or Astis)
 * the maximum population value for the chart has to be specified explicitly in the database template
 * there is no scale on the y-axis

The population data are valuable and properly referenced, so it would be good to keep them one way or the other. One option could be to convert the database templates to something that can be input for Historical populations, in the commune article itself, and to copy the data part ("|date1 |population1 |date2 |population2 |date3 |population3 |date4 |population4") to another template that can feed this data to Graph:Chart. I have been experimenting a bit in Chart Population Town/sandbox, see Ballay for a demonstration. Pinging some people that were involved in the past: User:Wikialine, User:Hmains, User:Samrong01, User:Jonesey95, User:Þjarkur, User:Zackmann08, User:Primefac, User:RexxS, User:Gonnym, User:Eric, User:Kusma, User:Uanfala, User:Pppery. Your comments please. Markussep Talk 13:37, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Without looking at any of the code to see how feasible it is, I suggest modifying Historical populations, which is used in 32,000 articles, to add a feature that shows a small chart of some kind (yes), then changing the France commune articles to use that revised template, replacing the existing template system. That would allow editors to store the data in the articles, where it belongs. This would need some testing, of course.
 * Another option is to (waving hands like a magician) use Wikidata, but I don't know what that would involve. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting suggestion, to append a chart to Historical populations. That way we would only have to specify the population data once in every article. Indeed it is my proposal to store the population data in the articles themselves, and the database templates would become obsolete then. Markussep Talk 16:20, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Using Wikidata to store the data would involve a bit of (bot-like) work to merge the contents of the 500 data templates into Wikidata – for example, already has population data for 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017. Once available there, they can be loaded into the article by Lua code. That provides no real benefit for the English Wikipedia, but would make the data available to all the other 300 language Wikipedias and projects. You might check with  if he has any thoughts about the merge into Wikidata. I could certainly write the retrieval code. --RexxS (talk) 16:49, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I am the wrong person to ask for the "how should we store this data" issue. I don't care very strongly whether it is in Template space or on Wikidata as long as we have the data and can check it against sources reasonably easily. So I'll just say something on ease-of-use: the example at Ballay looks ok to me, but the "see database" link leads to the totally unhelpful Template:Database Population Ballay, a page that seems not to include the data and wrongly claims to have documentation. If we keep this system, it needs to be made much more user friendly. A link from mainspace should not lead to a page that only makes sense to people who are familiar with the internal workings of Wikipedia templates. —Kusma (t·c) 20:52, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The population data is in that Database Population Ballay, and so are the references, but you have to edit it to see it. Not really optimal indeed, I'd rather not keep this system. I replaced the population table in the Ballay article now as well. Markussep Talk 07:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The population data is in that Database Population Ballay, and so are the references, but you have to edit it to see it. Not really optimal indeed, I'd rather not keep this system. I replaced the population table in the Ballay article now as well. Markussep Talk 07:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Jonesey95, we have been working on your idea to append a graph to Historical populations. User:Frietjes has succeeded to add this option to the template, see this first attempt. Suggestions for improvement and functionality to be added are welcome! Markussep Talk 08:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That example looks pretty good to me! – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:27, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The new version of Historical populations with graph is live now, you can see it in action at Ballay, Bordeaux and Bolquère. I will start converting articles that use Chart Population Town to Historical populations, like I did at Ballay and Bordeaux. Markussep Talk 08:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Nostradamus Featured article review
I have nominated Nostradamus for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  23:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Move discussion
It has been suggested that the Chemins de Fer d'Aire à Fruges et de Rimeux-Gournay à Berck article, which falls under this WikiProject, is moved. Discussion is taking place at the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 15:28, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Tour Prisma
Hello guys. Vandalism on Tour Prisma. Please if you can help. Thanks a lot. 92.184.107.141 (talk) 20:12, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move
It has been proposed that Clandestine press of the French Resistance be renamed to Underground media in German-occupied France. Your feedback would be welcome at this discussion. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Northern France
Hi. The page Northern France used to redirect to Hauts-de-France, but was recently turned into a disambiguation page. The problem is that there are many pages that link to Northern France, and it seems that most do not intend a specific region or department, but simply the north of France in general. These links can not be fixed in any other way than by simply removing the links, or just linking to France, which is of course less than ideal. Probably for this reason, the page has been tagged as holding the title of a primary topic, meaning an article needs to be written about it. Now my question is: would it indeed be possible to write an article about Northern France in a general sense, just like the article Southern France? Or, if there's no clear definition of Northern France (and it seems like this is the case), could a short article be written that explores the term "Northern France" itself, and the various ways it has been, or could be, defined? Or should an entirely different solution be found? Any input is welcome! Lennart97 (talk) 15:04, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that there is any established meaning for the term Northern France in French, let alone in English. This would argue for no article, and remove all the links. Neither the en-wiki article "Geography of France", nor the French article "Géographie de la France" have a section entitled "Northern France" or anything similar (I was hoping that they did; then you could have altered the redirect target to a section of that article).
 * As a general term it exists, but in an undefined, non-specific sort of way. In specific contexts, it can have a meaning, although still not very specific: for example, during World War II there were two major military campaigns in the summer of 1944 to liberate France, one in the south from the Mediterranean (Operation Dragoon) and one in the north from the English Channel ( Operation Overlord&mdash;a.k.a. the Normandy landings or D-day).  In a discussion about the liberation of France or about the Western Front of World War II, you can then talk about "northern France" and "southern France" because there were two major seaborne invasions of France, and that's how they broke&mdash;one in the north, and one in the south.  You don't even have to define them, or what they mean exactly; Overlord was in "northern France", and Dragoon was in "southern France". (They more or less met up and headed toward the Rhine, passing through "eastern France" before crossing the Rhine and into Germany.) So, in that context, "northern France" just means the location of the Battle of Normandy, more or less.
 * There are books with the name "Northern France"; you can do this title search and get plenty of results, including this one, from 1832 and since it's out of copyright, you can read the whole thing. You have to read through the introduction until page 18, before you get to what the author uses as his definition of what "northern France" even is. Many of the other search results are travel guides, like this one is.  I suspect they choose the definition based on how many other volumes in their "France travel series" they intend to publish.
 * But let's try a though experiment: let's say you go through those books and others and find that, lo and behold, there's a consistent definition that the great majority of them all agree on. Hooray, WP:COMMONNAME and consistency!  Now what do you do? Since Wikipedia is not a dictionary, you can't write an article that's like a definition of the term. (If there were dozens of reliable sources *about the term itself*, even if they disagreed, then you could.) So I don't where that leaves you. Mathglot (talk) 08:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the elaborate response. I think where that leaves us, combined with a lack of response arguing otherwise, is having to accept that there's no viable Northern France article, and just leave it as a disambiguation page. Lennart97 (talk) 21:47, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I believe so. If you wanted to open it up to more opinions, you could solicit feedback; see WP:APPNOTE (since this is just a discussion, you could go broader than that, and notify some people you trust, even if that would be CANVASSING in a more formal setting). Maybe, WT:EUROPE, WT:GEOGRAPHY, WT:HISTORY? (If you decide to do that, just post links there pointing back here, in order to not fragment the discussion.) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll pass on that as I don't think much could be gained from it. I've given my two cents, based on your input, at Talk:Northern France, where some discussion has already taken place that I was unaware of when I first posted here. I think I'll leave it at that for now. Lennart97 (talk) 22:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Map of participants in World War II
I've made a proposal to alter the world Map of participants in World War II to change the colors used for France and its colonies. Your feedback would be appreciated at this discussion. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 22:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Les Nouveaux Démocrates article name
Thoughts please --- Should I call the article in English wikipedia on Les Nouveaux Démocrates Les Nouveaux Démocrates or The New Democrats or The New Democrats (France)? New Democrats are a faction of the US Democratic party. Newystats (talk) 23:48, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed page move
It has been proposed Franco-American (disambiguation) be renamed and moved to Franco-American. Members of this WikiProject may have opinions relevant to the discussion. Please see Talk:Franco-American (disambiguation). Cnilep (talk) 04:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice
I have nominated Alain Prost for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 19:24, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Colonialism
Hello! I am looking into reviving WikiProject Colonialism and am wondering if anyone here has any interest in participating. I honestly am not very familiar with the administrative side of Wikipedia or in the details of WikiProjects (and all the templates and policies that go along with them...) but I would like to help improve articles related to colonialism, empire, and decolonization on Wikipedia. Behemothing (talk) 19:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm interested. I've done a bit with templates, but not lots. Newystats (talk) 22:14, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , they often stagnate for lack of interest, and become effectively dormant or inactive. Otoh, a single, highly-motivated user who's willing to put in the time, can keep one going if they can motivate a few followers. As far as generalities about use of WikiProjects, check out WP:PROJ. You should also see WP:REVIVE and definitely check out Reviving WikiProjects. Once you have a bit of momentum, and maybe a few users helping, or at least, interesting in helping, you might consider adding a notice to the Village Pump, to help publish your effort and attract interested editors. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 00:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Excellent resource for legal citations
The Legal Blue Book is an outstanding, and comprehensive resource with suggested formats for citing every possible kind of French legal case, appellate court, decree, ordinance, constitutional law, court case, treaty, and anything you could possibly think of. Here are a few examples of French legal citations, just to give you an idea:


 * Citation format for court decisions:
 * Examples:
 * Examples:


 * Citation format for a French law or decree:
 * Example:
 * Example:

This is just a sample, the Legal Blue Book covers far more than just this. Also, it's not limited to just France, but has sections on a couple dozen countries. A really great resource. I was considering creating some templates for the most common of the French citation styles, along the lines of Template:USCongRec (see the list of templates at the bottom of that page). If you already try to cite French laws, decrees, JO, and so on and wished there were some standardization, or if you avoid citing them because they seem too complicated, let me know in the comments, and we can discuss which ones might benefit from being templatized to make it all simpler, and documented. Mathglot (talk) 02:26, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Anti-French sentiment in the United States
There's a proposal to blow up the article Anti-French sentiment in the United States, and start over. Your feedback would be welcome at this discussion. Thank you. Mathglot (talk) 00:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red Europe contest
After successfully completing our Asia and Africa contests over the past six months, we now welcome contributions to our Women in Europe contest which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from France.--Ipigott (talk) 06:23, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Citations for a French to English article
Hello editors. I am creating a translated version of a French article on Garden City of Suresnes. But there is a lack of citations in this article and URLs to the books in the "bibliography section" are not given. So can someone please help me with the references part of my work-in-progress page? Excellenc1 (talk) 02:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * These publications from a local historical society in the 1960s may be hard to find, but they're available in snippet view in Google Books: and . There's another interesting source: Base Mérimée. Apart from the general description and history, which you already found, there are also short descriptions of the kindergarten, school, bath house, catholic church, theatre, high school (more detail in that one), lutheran church. Markussep Talk 07:02, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for easing in my work. Excellenc1 (talk) 07:11, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposal to move the Expand language template to Talk pages
A discussion about moving the Expand language template (and its associated templates, Expand French, Expand Spanish, and so on) from article pages to Talk pages is taking place at Templates for discussion/Log/2021 April 16. Your feedback would be appreciated. Mathglot (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

La traduction d'une phrase
Bonjour, mon cher peuple. Would you be a dear and provide a translation of this in English — Une Négociation Agitée: Essai de Description d'une Situation d'Interaction Entre des Hommes et des Dieux. Bonne journée, Мастер Шторм (talk) 08:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , this is not the best location for your question. I would repost your question at Reference desk/Language, including context by mentioning Denis Vidal, and including links to an abstract, and a full-text link.  Mathglot (talk) 09:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the great advice, . I didn't know that we have a RD/L. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 17:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Most viewed stub in this Wikiproject
Filet mignon	33,837	1,127	Stub--Coin945 (talk) 14:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

 * User:Mathglot, On the issue of "relevance" to "France", to a number of significant Frenchmen, and to the French King please see: The Royal Commission on Animal Magnetism. Lindsay658 (talk) 01:38, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Feedback requested at France during World War II
It has been proposed that France during World War II be renamed, merged, or deleted. Your feedback would be welcome at Talk:France during World War II. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * It's slow going over there; your opinions would be appreciated! Mathglot (talk) 04:33, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Valérie Bacot case
I recently created an article for the Valérie Bacot case. Any help improving the article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 18:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice
I have nominated Prince's Palace of Monaco for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:50, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles lacking citations
Some articles on departmental councils lack citations (Cantal, Corrèze, Loire, Morbihan, Puy-de-Dôme, Hauts-de-Seine and Seine-Saint-Denis) and so, their notablilty is to be questioned. Also, I have created a template.

But a majority of links in this templates are red. So should I publish this template (shall I create the page)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Excellenc1 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * See WP:NAV and WP:EXISTING for help on this. Mathglot (talk) 06:21, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Napoleon GAR
Napoleon, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Lennart97 (talk) 14:44, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Pierre Malinowski
Hello, WikiProject France,

I'm not sure how active this project is but if any content creator could look over this article, it would be greatly appreciated. It is overflowing with references but also is the work of some suspected paid editors. Thanks for any help you can offer cutting out the promotional fluff. Liz Read! Talk! 03:04, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Notice of Featured Article Review
I have nominated Ramón Emeterio Betances for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Notice of Featured Article Review
I have nominated France national rugby union team for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Bumbubookworm (talk) 22:41, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Renaming Graphic charter of government communication in France
Should this article be moved as 'Logo of France' or something like that, because anyone interested in the topic wouldn't find this and even Google won't show this article for logo of France (it shows the Emblem)? I know that this logo is not offically recognised as a national symbol but it is used in governmental communication. Excellenc1 (talk) 15:46, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Confusing Translation in Charter of 1814?
In the section Drafting Committee is the following text:

On May 22nd, the commission held its first meeting at Dambray’s for six days. The 26th of May, she offered her draft to the private counsel that approved it.

Does 'she' refer to 'la commission' or some unnamed woman? Assuming the former and without reference to the original French may I suggest:

On May 22nd, the commission held its first meeting at Dambray’s which lasted for six days. On the 26th of May, the commission offered its draft to the private counsel which approved it.

Guillaime (talk) 05:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Done. I have modified the article, using your translation, which is accurate. Olivier (talk) 22:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

FAR for James Joyce
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FAR for Joan of Arc
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Let's create an article on the Jardins de la Fontaine / Sanctuaire de la Fontaine in Nîmes
Our article Nîmes briefly mentions this site, but IMHO  it warrants a standalone article.

We can easily translate [ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuaire_de_la_Fontaine ] in French Wikipedia.

Thanks - 2804:14D:5C59:8833:F425:77F4:2C49:2559 (talk) 20:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Done https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuaire_de_la_Fontaine PlaneCeiling912 (talk) 00:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Quality scale
There is a discussion at Template talk:WikiProject France concerning the quality scale, if anyone has interest in that. --awkwafaba (📥) 12:33, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Éric Zemmour. far right?
There is ongoing discussion at the talkpage as to how Éric Zemmour's political views should be presented in the lead of the article, and how newspapers designation of him as "far right" should be handled. Participate if interested, thanks. Hemiauchenia (talk) 05:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Romualdas Giedraitis -> Romuald Giedroyć
There is a proposal to move the article from Romualdas Giedraitis to Romuald Giedroyć. Your input is of interest. I am putting this in here because the individual concerned served in the Grande Armée and was connected to Napoleon's wife, Josephine Beauharnais.--Cukrakalnis (talk) 21:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Feedback requested at RM at Collaborationism
Hello. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Collaborationism. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to improve Antisemitism in France
Hello. An editor has asked on my Talk page about completing some unfinished material (a couple of empty sections, mostly) at the article Antisemitism in France. While I'd love to help, I'm oversubscribed just now, so I thought I'd mention it here, and invite anyone who would like to, to join in. If you search-on-page for 'This section is empty' you'll find them. , is this something you'd enjoy? Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 18:07, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I could help with the empty New antisemitism section if you or someone else could provide links to WP:RS on the subject. My skill in the French language is intermediate for reading and less than that for writing - though I don't expect to write any French. A Thousand Words (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, 1Kwords. I added a bit of material into that section because another editor was about to delete it so I felt under pressure, but it was just the minimum I thought I could get away with, so if you can improve or expand it, please do! The "Expand section" banners at the top of the section has "find sources" links that you can click, which will generate tons of reliable sources on the topic, almost all of them in English.d Mathglot (talk) 11:11, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I am currently in a wikibreak. Possibly permanent. I am thinking of coming back to at least tie up loose ends in Liberation of France and this is tangentially related, so I may at some point look at it, but right now as far as I am concerned if someone wants to work on these articles, the more the merrier. I definitely don’t have ongoing work going on in the antisemitism article at the moment, so no need to worry about edit conflicts over here. Side note, strongly recommend linking to Le Juif et la France if the article doesn’t already do that. Also the part about the prime minister bargaining with the occupation government, and the SNCF strike, as these aren’t common knowledge among English speakers. Liberation of France also still needs to cover the League of Nations (as background) and the United Nations. HTH Elinruby (talk) 09:30, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . "Le Juif et la France" is the main topic of the #Propaganda section currently, which I'd like to see expanded to cover other propaganda efforts. Interesting points about League/UN but how do you see those being connected to antisemitism? Actually, maybe we should have that discussion over at the article Talk page; it's a bit too much minutiae for this page. Mathglot (talk) 11:11, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Badly phrased. Liberation of France. Adding another request for help to your coat tails. Elinruby (talk) 11:53, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Shade of flag in templates
I have proposed that, following the apparent shift in official practice, the darker variant of the French flag should be used in Wikipedia tamplates. It is best not to have the discussion happening in parallel in various places, so can I direct those who might want to express an opinion to Template talk:Country data France. Thank you. Kevin McE (talk) 12:01, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Flag change request
Hello WP:FR, please note there is a request open at File talk:Flag of France.svg to change the version of this file which is very widely used. Any comments on that request from those that know about this topic would be appreciated. — xaosflux  Talk 11:34, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * However, note also the discussion to which you are signposted in the section immediately before this: let's try to keep the discussion together. Kevin McE (talk) 16:56, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Most reliable french sources for news/ent news
Could someone tell me what are the most reliable or most commonly used sources by the project for music/award show related articles? There are several covering this year's NRJ Awards (nominations and the winning results) on Google, but I am not at all familiar w french sources to know which would be best to use. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

RFCs on Talk:Éric Zemmour
I would like to alert you to the RFCs currently active on Talk:Éric Zemmour. Fresh eyes would be helpful and this Wikiproject is relevant. Munci (talk) 05:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Infoboxes regarding provinces/counties
Hello, I'm currently working on adding infoboxes for the former provinces, duchies, counties, and other regions of the Kingdom of France (ie: pre 1791). However, I'm not sure which infobox to use. One type is Infobox Settlement, which looks nice and allows me to use the "Country, General Government, and Province" tags, see here: County of Armagnac. However, the other type is Infobox former country which shows the year, separates the government, includes the historical era, and succession for the region, but doesn't include the governments, see here: County of Agenois. So, in general you can see the settlement one looks nicer, but doesn't separate the government parts and allow successors, etc. Any comments and help is very much welcome! Coldstreamer20 (talk) 15:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Historical Brittany
France experts, would you please assess this diff Special:Diff/1050685551 and its rather unhinged edit note. There is previous - see the talk page. Monxton (talk) 22:15, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


 * These regions ARE part of Brittany. However, they are not part of the "Region of Brittany" (a political state, not a geological region).  So, in short YES it is in Brittany, Nantes and Loire (most of it) are within Brittany.  You can see more here: Province de Bretagne. Coldstreamer20 (talk) 21:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I am grateful for any response. But I don't need to "see more", because I am not going to edit the article. I came here because I thought this WikiProject was a place for France experts, who might assess the edit, which clearly is not impartial. If nobody here cares what WP says in the Brittany article, then I'll not care right along with you. Monxton (talk) 00:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Viking Brittany
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Viking Brittany that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. VR talk 02:51, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Agathe Rousselle
I saw that a draft was created for French actress Agathe Rousselle, the star of the film Titane (film) which won the Palme d'Or. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 07:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Les Frères Jacques
I am trying to do a translation/adaptation of the French Wikipedia page on the singing group, Les Frères Jacques, into English. The very brief page in en.Wiki asks someone to do this. My version is on a subpage of mine if anyone wants a look. Meanwhile, I could use some help. The French version lacks citations and en.Wikipedia has put a note on my version saying so. I’m not sure “translation” includes doing fresh research about the subject but I have done a little: trying to see the article referred to in the scant French citations. No good so far. The article is in a magazine called Je Chante. It seems not to be available on line and I couldn’t find any help at the Bibliotheque Nationale de France. I actually suspect that the whole French Wiki article is culled from the article. Does anyone know how I could access the article? Or for that matter, anything else that could be used to top up the French citations? MK Hendry MKHendry (talk) 16:39, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , you could try making a reference request at WP:RX. Mathglot (talk) 09:14, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Two pages from a French book?
Would anyone have access to: Patrick Gaumer, «Hans», in Dictionnaire mondial de la BD, Paris, Larousse, 2010 (ISBN 9782035843319), p. 401-402? Hope my high schoo French can handle the content once I get it. (This is for my just-creted article on Hans (comic book) I'd like to expand futher; as far as I can tell, this entry might be the only serious, independent, in-depth treatment of this comic book - at least the only one I could locate). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:13, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Piotrus. I don't, but have you tried WP:RX? If/when you get hold of it, I can help with the French. Mathglot (talk) 21:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, merci :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:16, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I was able to get some French sources from RX, but my French is so rusty I am having trouble parsin the material. If you are still available to help, I could fwd you the PDF I received if you send me an email? It's not much, just 2-3 paragraphs for Throrgal (that part wasn't scanned sufficiently for machine translation, sadly). The Hans part I think I can MT since it's OCRable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ps. I think I forgot to echo @Mathglot Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:13, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * sure, email it to me using the link on my user page, or click here. Mathglot (talk) 08:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mathglot Minor problem: AFAIK Wikipedia emal doesn't accept attachments, so I need your @ first. I can email you but you'll have to reply with non-wiki email so I can send an attachment (from my non-wiki email too)... if this is a problem I can upload the file somewhere and share the link. Do let me know what's best for you. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:38, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess I just assumed because WP:Phabricator accepts them, so does wikimail, but I guess not? I've emailed you. Mathglot (talk) 23:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Review help requested
Bonjour les amis,

I need your help reviewing this draft that I translated from the french page. It was on the requested articles list at one point and I finally got around to taking care of it. Any help with cleanup and translations would be appreciated greatly. Here it is Draft:Birth Control in Tibet PlaneCeiling912 (talk) 02:48, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * see Draft talk:Birth Control in Tibet. Good luck, Mathglot (talk) 00:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Italian War of 1521–1526 Featured article review
I have nominated Italian War of 1521–1526 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  21:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Featured Article Save Award for Italian War of 1521–1526
There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Italian War of 1521–1526/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped save this featured article from demotion. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  19:35, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Jean-Jacques Beineix
French director Jean-Jacques Beineix, director of Diva and Betty Blue, has died. Any help with sourcing would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 19:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , does this help? There seem to be three or four good sources there. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

RFC in progress
There is an RFC in progress on Talk:France which affects this project. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Kevin McE (talk) 17:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Тези,които превеждат и обясняват този текст,явно са със слаби познания по български език.Обяснението и превода на "rillette" е просто-преварено месо!95.43.238.10 (talk) 19:43, 14 January 2022 (UTC)Огнян Радунчев
 * IP 95, I think you are confused. The linked RFC has nothing to do with "rillettes" ('s' is required), and nothing to do with Bulgarian. Also, this is English Wikipedia, please leave your messages in English. Mathglot (talk) 05:09, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Discussion about merger Greater Region into Greater Region of SaarLorLux
An editor has requested for Greater Region to be merged into Greater Region of SaarLorLux. Since you had some involvement with Greater Region or Greater Region of SaarLorLux, you might want to participate in the merger discussion (if you have not already done so). --Heanor (talk) 10:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Nouvelle-Aquitaine
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Nouvelle-Aquitaine that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:14, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Left Party (France) far-left claims
The political position section of the Left Party (France) has been changed to far-left with any attempts to change this being reverted. I think the citations being used fall under WP:OPINION (editorials or opinion pieces) or WP:SYNTH due to not directly stating the party itself is far-left but perhaps elements, people or describing its manifesto as this. However, it’s difficult for me to gauge as I'm going off of translations as I am not fluent in reading or speaking French. It seems very disingenuous to simply enforce that this is a purely fa-left party and similar edits by the person seem to have been reverted on Europe Ecology – The Greens. What do other editors think of these citations and claims? Helper201 (talk) 22:22, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Marcel de Kerviler at AfD
Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:02, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Knights Templar
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Organized interference at Wikipedia by the Zemmour campaign for President of France
Multiple articles are being edited by members of a task force attached to the Eric Zemmour campaign for President of France. Please see WP:VPM. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link:

I am sounding the alarm about a developing situation involving organized political POV-pushing at Wikipedia by the digital arm of the campaign for Eric Zemmour, a candidate in the 2022 French presidential election. This has risen to the level where there are now a book, and at least ten thirteen  twenty over two dozen articles in the national French press (also a couple of Belgian and UK articles) about attempts to infiltrate Wikipedia with propaganda being pushed by this task force.

Summary
This infiltration of Wikipedia by the clandestine task force began at French Wikipedia, spread to Italian Wikipedia, and attempted to affect some articles at en-wiki, in particular, Eric Zemmour and Reconquête, the political party formed by Zemmour on 5 December when he announced his candidacy for President. Most of the effort was focused on fr-wiki, and alert volunteers and admins were able to thwart it. Some actions were attempted at en-wiki, but were fewer and largely rebuffed. Analysis is ongoing at fr-wiki to assess the damage, and Wikimedia France became involved.

The main discussion that I am aware of is at French ANI (here), and begins with a summary of the clandestine group, called "WikiZedia" based on the name of the group according to messages by the group alleged to have been discovered on Telegram and Discord. French user offers the following brief intro:

I helped the author and editors of the book Au coeur du Z : Un journaliste a infiltré la campagne d'Éric Zemmour ( At the Heart of 'Z': A Journalist Infiltrated Eric Zemmour's Campaign) which was published today by Éditions Goutte d'Or (see this issue of Le Monde (in French), or this Google translation) examining the actions of an underground team promoting Zemmour's campaign on Wikipedia, composed of around ten people following the instructions of Samuel Lafont, head of digital strategy for the candidate. The editors gave me a copy of discussions of this clandestine team. For several months, this task force sought to highlight Zemmour on Wikipedia. Its attempts, often clumsy, were mostly thwarted by the community and by the operation of the encyclopedia. Nevertheless, some of them succeeded and those that failed wasted the time and energy of many contributors. They also shed light on the actions of three autopatrolled contributors and in particular on the duplicity of a former very active member of the community,, who, while arguing on WP that he was acting in good faith when his pro-Zemmour actions were noticed because they weren't subtle enough, was plotting in parallel to bypass the FPs.
 * &mdash;source: French user in rev. 190915516 at 17 February 2022, 22:43 (UTC)

Initial objectives
Their initial objectives, according to Jules* at fr:ANI, are:

"'to make Éric Zemmour, Génération Z, [Zemmour campaign targeting youth] and The Friends of Éric Zemmour as visible as possible on Wikipedia, in several ways,' namely (a) to improve the article on Zemmour; (b) to disseminate his name in other Wikipedia articles; and (c) to list his television appearances. These aspects are discussed in Chapter 12 of Vincent Bresson's book. These objectives are updated at the end of December 2021, still with the idea of 'Zemmourizing Wikipedia'."

Reaction in the French press
This is making a big splash in the French press, with over two dozen articles about it. The French press is also closely following the actions taken by Wikipedia itself, and have published articles about it linking back to the French ANI page that is discussing the situation, including long quotes from it, and reporting which editors were banned and by how many votes. As a result, this has become a notable topic, and a section has been added to the English Reconquête article. Mathglot (talk) 07:43, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Plenty of sources are available; this list is copied and adapted from the French ANI discussion.

These sources are all in French unless marked:
 * 1) book by Vincent Bresson (pub: Goutte d'Or publications) –  At the Heart of Z: A Journalist Infiltrated the Éric Zemmour Campaign
 * 2) Le Parisien – Social networks, Wikipedia, petitions ... The secrets of the digital campaign of Eric Zemmour
 * 3) France.tv – Victor Bresson was invited on "C'est à vous" and talked (a little) about wp
 * 4) Notre temps – On Wikipedia, the influence strategy of the Zemmour team
 * 5) Nice Matin – On Wikipedia the influence strategy of the Zemmour team
 * 6) Numerama – How Wikipedia was deceived by a task force of pro-Zemmour militants
 * 7) Francelive – Presidential Elections. Eric Zemmour's supporters very influential on the... Wikipedia
 * 8) Le Monde – "Here I am embedded into a shadow team": excerpts from an undercover story on Zemmour's team
 * 9) HuffPo.fr – Éric Zemmour's team infiltrated by a journalist
 * 10) Libération – Digital strategy on the Internet, Eric Zemmour's teams sputter with admiration
 * 11) LN24.be – On Wikipedia, the influence strategy of the Zemmour team
 * 12) Arab News.fr – Digital: how the Zemmour team is firing on all cylinders
 * 13) Stragégies – WikiZedia, a propaganda operation by Zemmour militants
 * 14) The Guardian  – French reporter infiltrates campaign of far-right presidential candidate Éric Zemmour (in English)
 * 15) Sud Ouest – Racism, Wehrmacht songs, activism on Wikipedia... A journalist has infiltrated the campaign of Eric Zemmour
 * 16) Europe 1 – On Wikipedia, the influence strategy of the Zemmour team
 * 17)  ''BFM TV –  Wikizedia: how Eric Zemmour's team used Wikipedia to promote the candidate
 * 18) Numerama – Wikipedia bans 7 contributors who conned the encyclopedia to promote Éric Zemmour
 * 19) L'Express – Pro-Zemmour task force on Wikipedia: "This is a rather unprecedented political strategy"
 * 20) Gala – Éric Zemmour: how his team (cleverly) circumvents the rules of Wikipedia
 * 21) La Dépêche – Presidential election 2022: Éric Zemmour identified for manipulating Wikipedia
 * 22) MSN.fr – How Eric Zemmour tries to manipulate Wikipedia (and Facebook)
 * 23) Actualitte – Zemmour's campaign team accused of tampering with Wikipedia
 * 24) PhonAndroid – Wikipedia bans 7 pro-Zemmourists, they tampered with the candidate's page!
 * 25) Zdnet.fr – Extreme right: activists try to alter Wikipedia to benefit Zemmour
 * 26) Le Monde – Eric Zemmour's Wikipedia page: the online encyclopedia responds to "attempts to manipulate it"
 * 27) Europe 1 –  Wikipedia: seven contributors militating for Éric Zemmour banned
 * 28) Valeurs actuelles –  Presidential election 2022: seven Wikipedia contributors banned because they are accused of advocating in favor of Zemmour
 * 29) Le Point –  Wikipedia: 7 pro-Zemmour contributors "banned"

ANI at fr-wiki
The French ANI discussion goes on to name the editors at Wikipedia involved in this, including three autopatrolled editors (one a veteran of 15 years and one of the top editors at fr-wiki), four SPAs (CAOU), followed by comments by other editors, and a proposal to indef seven editors which at this writing has 51 votes, which appear to be unanimously in favor. [ update: now all indeffed; details below. ] The French discussion, started on 17 February, is involved, and already has nine major subsections, including a listing of ten articles in the national press talking about the propaganda campaign at Wikipedia by the Zemmour task force.

ANI at en-wiki
I just became aware of an ANI discussion about this same topic, here: WP:ANI. Mathglot (talk) 22:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Two Five Seven editors now indeffed at fr-wiki. Mathglot (talk) 00:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)  updated indef count; by Mathglot (talk) 05:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The ANI discussion at en-wiki gained many votes in support of indefinite blocks for the three main editors involved, but was archived without action, here, on 27 February 2022.
 * The seven French editors previously indeffed at fr-wiki are now under permanent community ban at French Wikipedia, as decided at fr:WP:BA, the French ANI. See French ANI discussion here ("Clandestine task force promoting Eric Zemmour at Wikipedia"). Mathglot (talk) 20:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Response by Wikimedia France
Besides the notices about the WikiZedia affair at ANI and at fr-wiki's equivalent of ANI (WP:BA – the Bulletin des administrateurs), and at the Meta Anti-spam group, now Wikimedia France's Groupe de travail sur la régulation du numérique ("Digital Regulation Working Group") has created a dossier for this at Wikimédia France/Régulation du numérique/Élections 2022/WikiZédia.

List of articles targeted at fr-wiki, according to Wikimedia France:


 * Éric Zemmour
 * Grand remplacement
 * Reconquête
 * Conseil supérieur de l'audiovisuel
 * Face à l'info
 * Liste des épisodes de Face à l'info
 * Zemmour et Naulleau
 * La France n'a pas dit son dernier mot

Discussion
Some remarks about why I'm raising this here, and why now:
 * Normally, this would be something to raise on the Talk page of the article and not here, however this seems to be something of urgent importance to Wikipedia that needs the widest possible exposure to the appropriate people, so they can be aware of the situation as soon as possible and monitor it. If we quickly get on top of this, we can move it to the article instead.
 * As to why here and not ANI: I expect this conversation, or the fallout from it, will lead to a discussion at ANI. But because I wanted to get this out there without delay, and because diffs and long discussions and translations take time, that will have to wait.
 * Why now: This could be a huge black eye for Wikipedia if allowed to fester and I thought it better to raise the alarm immediately, and follow up with links, diffs, and so on later, as I get them.

My involvement so far: I have edited Eric Zemmour and Reconquête (and their TPs) at en-wiki, attempting to hold the line at what I saw as massive inclusion of unsourced content. I was not aware of "WikiZedia" until this afternoon, when User:Litlok (a sysop and bureaucrat @fr-wiki: ) notified me about it at my French TP (here).

Maybe no response is possible now without diffs and evidence, and that's fine, but as long as people here know about this sooner, rather than later, I'm fine with that. There's a ton of information at fr-wiki that I am still digesting, and I will report back with translated excerpts as appropriate. Meanwhile, those of you who read French (or are willing to use DeepL, which is really good now) can follow the events at fr-wiki. Please help me out with this if you are able, as I may be unavoidably away for a couple of days but I'll try to get back to this as quickly as I can. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC) updated press list; by Mathglot (talk) 23:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Listed at: Talk:Éric Zemmour, Talk:Reconquête, WT:BIOGRAPHY, WT:FRANCE, WT:JOURN, WT:POLITICS. Mathglot (talk) 22:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * At the moment are the disruptive edits (here and/or on fr-wiki) limited to just Zemmour and Reconquête? Is there the possibility that this may spill over into other candidates if it has not already? Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Also given the circumstances, is it too early to consider WP:SEMI or WP:ECP for those two pages as a preventative measure, at least for the duration of the election period? Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have specific answers to your questions yet, but I hope to. I would support WP:ECP there until this is cleared up. Mathglot (talk) 23:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * As I have stated elsewhere, there has not really been any effect at Zemmour's article itself. However, Cheep has extensively edited Reconquête, and this article could probably use some cleanup. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:53, 17 February 2022 (UTC)


 * To people not familiar with Eric Zemmour, in a nutshell he's considered as the "French Donald Trump" (and a self-called Trump admirer - especially the late, post-Capitol, Trump). He is a former TV presenter who became known for his outrgeous extreme right-wing witticism and became a phenomenon on the alt-right web. Supported by the billionaire Vincent Bolloré (Zemmour's employer, a fundamentalist Catholic who owns a large part of the French media and turns them in local OAN's), he has launched a provocative and aggressive campaign for presidency, with an openly supremacist and authoritarian political line directly inspired by Trump, and using massive disinformation and media control like him, using web-based troll armies as well.
 * The good news here is that the actual amount of damage occasioned by the "WikiZedia" team remained low, thanks to the community and rules (they mostly wasted our time, but did not succeed in twisting the article as they wanted). Hence, this ordeal also shows the strength of Wikipedia against undercover campaigns of information control, even when they include major and respected Wikipedia contributors. However, this event occurred on the 2nd/3rd most important Wiki project, and Wikipedia in other languages may not always prove as strong as the French-speaking one.
 * Thanks for reading and best regards to the English-speaking communuty, FredD (talk) 04:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Moved from VPM to WikiProject France
Note: this discussion was originally raised at WP:VPM.

I propose we move this discussion to WT:WikiProject France. This is not as pressing an issue at en-wiki as it is at fr-wiki, so I don't think this discussion needs to remain at Village Pump. In addition, as mentioned above at the "Why here and now" paragraph above, the situation seems to be under control at the ANI thread and at the main two articles involved at en-wiki, Éric Zemmour and Reconquête, so unless there's an objection, I plan to move this discussion in a day or two to WT:WikiProject France, where we can continue to monitor it in case the situation flares up at en-wiki. Notifying. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I've got those two pages on my watch list, and WP France makes sense to move any long term discussion of this to. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:47, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Moved; section title adjusted to reflect the move. Mathglot (talk) 09:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

As long as you're here, I'd also just like to piggy-back the following question here. There is now so much information available about the WikiZedia affair in published sources, that it seems to me to easily meet the threshold for inclusion in the article. If you could provide your opinion at Talk:Reconquête I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 03:41, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This has been added. Mathglot (talk) 09:37, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Convenience links/See also
English Wikipedia
 * Éric Zemmour – candidate running for President of France
 * Page views, last 6 months: annualized rate of 1.6 million views per year
 * Reconquête – Zemmour's political party
 * This article now has a section, "§ Online influence campaign", which is discussed on the Talk page.
 * 2022 French presidential election
 * WP:ANI – ANI thread

French Wikipedia
 * fr:Éric Zemmour (page views: annualized rate of 10.1M views per year&mdash;the top page on French Wikipedia)
 * fr:Reconquête (parti politique)
 * fr:Élection présidentielle française de 2022
 * fr:Wikipédia:Bulletin des administrateurs/2022/Semaine 7 – French ANI: "Clandestine task force promoting Eric Zemmour at Wikipedia"
 * fr:Wikipédia:Bulletin des administrateurs/2022/Semaine 7/WikiZedia – ANI subpage of above with evidence, diffs, stats, etc.
 * fr:Wikipédia:Le Bistro/17 février 2022 – sort of a French Village Pump or Tea House
 * fr:Wikipédia:Bulletin des administrateurs/2022/Semaine 7 – list of articles in the French press about it

Meta
 * m:Talk:Wikiproject:Antispam
 * Wikimédia France/Régulation du numérique/Élections 2022/WikiZédia – Dossier opened by Wikimedia France

WMF
 * Wikimedia France (national chapter of WMF in France)
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Pont Neuf bridge confusion
In this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_IV_of_France#Achievements It states: "The King restored Paris as a great city, with the Pont Neuf, which still stands today" which seems to contradict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Paris#12th_century where it says "* 1197 March – A flood destroys all the bridges over the Seine; " Thanks. Phecht7 (talk) 05:01, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * no contradiction: the Pont Neuf wasn't built until the 16th century. The flood couldn't destroy bridges that hadn't been built yet. Mathglot (talk) 07:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Air Inter Flight 696
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Air Inter Flight 696 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 22:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move discussion
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Annales de la Société Entomologique de France that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Umimmak (talk) 23:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red translation contest: April to June 2022
At the beginning of April, WikiProject Women in Red is launching a three-month translation contest focused on increasing our coverage of women's biographies. As the French version of Wikipedia is one of the most popular sources for translation, members of WikiProject France may be interested in participating.--Ipigott (talk) 10:35, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

I've started the article on 1940 exodus and refugee crisis in France
Perhaps some members of the project here would like to expand it, to make it eligible for WP:DYK? It's quite timely, unfortunately. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Women in Red - Geofocus: French overseas territories
Hello friends! In April WikiProject Women in Red has a geographical focus on French overseas territories, and we'd like to extend an invitation for interested editors to join us! Information and ideas for articles are on the project page. Lajmmoore (talk) 19:35, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Presidential election results per commune
Hi, I came across several (I estimate about 400) commune articles that have a table of presidential election results (2002, 2007, 2012 and 2017) with a general reference link to Le Monde. See for instance Craywick and Zuani. Some of these communes are really small (less than 10 inhabitants, for instance Trébons-de-Luchon, Leménil-Mitry, La Bâtie-des-Fonds), so I doubt whether that information is really valuable for an encyclopedia. The elections themselves are covered, obviously, e.g. 2017 French presidential election, which also shows results by region and department. Thoughts? Markussep Talk 12:42, 20 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I propose to remove the tables of presidential election results from commune articles, because I think they have little relevance for the places the articles describe. At best, it gives some information about the (trends in) political spectrum. Note that for a similar situation (US presidential elections) Wikipedia gives these results in county articles (e.g. Vigo County, Indiana) and some bigger cities (e.g. Fountain Valley, California), certainly not for smaller places. Markussep Talk 07:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * I'll start removing them then, I'll keep the election results for the larger cities (say >20,000 inhabitants). Markussep Talk 14:34, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Election results included in commune pages?
I have undertaken to add election results to commune pages, Markussep disagrees. These pages tend to be quite light so overcrowding doesn't appear to be an issue.

I think political context is important to understanding a place. Happy to be guided.


 * Hi, as I wrote above, I don't think these presidential election results belong in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, and in my opinion these data are not very relevant for the topics of these articles: the communes. It would be different if you would indeed write about the political context of a commune, which may be interesting for larger cities or places with a strong tradition of workers' organisations etc. Markussep Talk 11:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I think that is a rather limited view of where politics matters - rural, small 'c' conservative areas are important in their own way as well. I am using the example of the US counties pages in this that all contain a summary table of US presidential election results.


 * I don't have anything against election results at higher levels, for instance departments. That would more or less match your example of US counties. Right now we have the election results per year (e.g. 2012 French presidential election, including results by department and region. Some department articles (e.g. Nièvre) also list some election results, maybe this could be expanded and/or updated. Markussep Talk 12:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Any interest in translating this?
I just declined a speedy A7 on Raphaël Mapou - a quick search shows that he looks to be pretty notable. There's a large article in the French Wikipedia. Would anyone be interested in translating it? I've done a quick paragraph to keep it from being speedied again but lack the interest to do much more, honestly. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  17:08, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Notice: move discussion for St. Denis station
Hello,

I am proposing that St. Denis station (United States) redirect to Saint-Denis–Porte de Paris (Paris Métro) per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I have initiated a discussion here Talk:St. Denis station; any input regarding the notability of these stations from French editors or people more familiar with France/Paris would be appreciated. --Middle river exports (talk) 04:52, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Jean Largeault obituary
Hello, can someone help find an obituary for Jean Largeault? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I found one in Le Monde, but it's subscription only (I have no access): https://www.lemonde.fr/archives/article/1995/03/30/jean-largeault_3872264_1819218.html. And I found this at Archives Henri-Poincaré: http://poincare.univ-lorraine.fr/fr/fonds-jean-largeault. I hope this helps. Markussep Talk 07:31, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Thriley (talk) 20:38, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Request for help from French speaker
Hi, I've created the page Zahia Rahmani, a French author and artist, but I had difficulty making sure I correctly understood the French wiki and French sources. I am not a French speaker. If someone would like to help me making sure the content is accurate or adding on based on the French sources, then I would greatly appreciate it. I did submit for peer review to seek help from someone familiar with art curation.--Zaynab1418 (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Battle of Dien Bien Phu
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Natalie Clifford Barney Featured article review
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Featured Article Save Award for Natalie Clifford Barney
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La Boissière-en-Gâtine
La Boissière-en-Gâtine has 2 pages one French one English with different content but the same place, the English page has more history.Can the 2 pages be merged keeping all content? If so can someone please do that I do not have the skills. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB18:A98:F600:59D9:624F:6DC7:1E6F (talk) 16:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:John Stewart, 3rd Lord of Aubigny
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:John Stewart, 3rd Lord of Aubigny that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:21, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

European Collectivity of Alsace
Departmental councils of Bas-Rhin and Haut-Rhin were replaced by Assembly of Alsace in January 2021 but in the articles on Departmental council (France) and List of presidents of departmental councils (France), the change isn't mentioned; no note that specifies that such a change occured or no addition or replacement in the table. So what should be done? Same is with the councils of Haute-Corse and Corse-du-Sud, they were replaced by the Corsican Assembly. Also to make it clear that these departments still exist, but their legislatures were replaced. Excellenc1 (talk) 05:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * , if an article is missing some important information for which you can present a reliable source, then you're very welcome to add this information, with a reference pointing to the reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Excellenc1, my first thought was to include the new Assembly amongst the table of Departments, similar to how we treat some jurisdictions which have special "city" governments that are not part of any "region" but are at the regional tier. But the lead paragraph already has a footnote mentioning exceptions like the Assembly of Martinique, which are not in the table. I imagine adding Assembly of Alsace and Corsican Assembly to the exceptions, and amending " 98 94 of the country's 101 departments" would be a good approach. The changes are probably worthy of mention in the History section, also.
 * I'm no specialist in French topics, so I'm approaching Departmental council (France) as an uninformed reader would. (Came here from the Teahouse.)
 * Are the former x-Rhin and x-Corse-x Councils still operating in some caretaker or handover capacity, or have they been dissolved? If the Council Presidents are no longer sitting, I would blank the corresponding table cells, but retain the table-rows for the former councils with a footnote like what you added for Alsace.
 * . ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 23:36, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pelagic, the mentioned councils have been dissolved and their presidents are no longer sitting. So maybe I'll blank those cells. But the list of presidents in the 'Departmental council (France)' article needs to be updated and it's unreferenced. So instead of updating it, can I just remove the table (it already shows "Main Article: List of presidents...")?
 * And if I delete the table, I no longer will have to blank the cells and instead, like you said, mention them in the History section. Excellenc1  (talk) 06:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Excellenc1: Taking département 01 as an example, the entry in that table currently links to Ain not Departmental Council of Ain. Luckily I'm on the desktop site, not mobile, so I can see the navbox. Agree that duplicating maintenance of department and president lists is unnecessary. I do think Departmental council (France) should give the reader some way to reach articles on specific (current and former) councils and assemblies (and need not link to the presidents and actual départements, which are listed elsewhere). Should there be a table to accommodate mobile users (and desktop users who don't expand navboxes)? I'm envisioning sortable columns like: département number, council or assembly name, type, year established, year disbanded, comment. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 14:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pelagic: We can replace those links with the departmental council ones. But most of them are not made yet. So instead of filling the table with plain text or red links, I'd rather create all the other departmental councils as well and then replace the links. After that, we can add the said columns in some way. But till then, we could rather redirect the section to the Presidents article. Excellenc1  (talk) 15:42, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Announcing template Wiktionarylang
New Template:Wiktionarylang may be used to add a small box flush right with a link to a term in a foreign language wiktionary. If you're familiar with Wikisourcelang, the operation of the new template is similar, and uses the same four positional parameters, and adds one more to allow you to specify 'section' (as in this example), 'paragraph', and so on instead of 'article'. Mathglot (talk) 02:56, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Your feedback is requested at Talk:Monarchism in France
Please see this discussion regarding what to do about a botched merge at Monarchism in France. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 08:46, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Help with Draft:Pierre Merlin
I started Draft:Pierre Merlin about 6 months ago and recently returned to it. The trail in English language sources has run cold so I'm asking for assistance with any French language sources. This article seems like it would be helpful but I can't access it. Any help appreciated. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposed splitting of Pierrot article
Hi everyone, I am thinking of splitting the latter part of the article along the lines of this: Cultural references to Hamlet. Any suggestions? If so, please join the discussion on the Pierrot talk page. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 07:42, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Templates for finding sources on France-related topics
Two new templates are available to assist in finding reliable sources for articles on topics of interest to WikiProject France. If you're familiar with the "find sources" template, then you know it generates a set of links for your query to help find reliable sources for a given article topic. You can see the links at the top of some article talk pages.

Over at fr-wiki, they have their own version of "find sources", which uses a different set of search engines which are more attuned to topics related to France, including Gallica, Qwant, Persée, and so on. I've create a template that uses the same list of links that the French template does; here's an example of it for the query, "monarchie constitutionnelle": The boxed version of it, suitable for lining up with other banners on a Talk page, is France sources notice. Here it is, with links for finding sources for National Assembly (1871) (using French keywords, "Assemblée nationale 1871"):

You can see an example of the boxed notice live in the header of Talk:La Galissonnière-class cruiser. It can either go under the standard, "find sources" links, or it can replace them. It may also be placed on an article that has no Talk header box; see for example Talk:Tanks of France.

Please experiment with these templates, add them to Talk pages of articles belonging to the project, and add your comments or suggestions at the Talk page: Template talk:Find France sources. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that automatic generation of these search links is possible. Currently, if you want the links to appear on a talk page belonging to the project, you have to add the code France sources notice to the page. But, if there is consensus among members of the project, with a bit of additional configuration, it would be possible to display the French links automatically on every page that belongs to the project which has the project banner (WikiProject France) on it. Note that WP:WikiProject Medicine already has this capability. See for example, the links in the header at Talk:Giardiasis. These medical "find sources" links are generated automatically; there is nothing in the wikicode of the page that does that. The same functionality could be added for project France if desired. Mathglot (talk) 10:11, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 10
Hi, the above proposal as to whether the 'People of Breton descent' category and subcategories (link here) should be deleted/merged is currently under discussion, comments are welcomed, thanks. Crowsus (talk) 13:06, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Ceresole at FAR
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Consulat décennal

 *  Message cross-posted at fr:Discussion Projet:France 

Hello. On the image File:Chronologie constitutions françaises.png, in the two cells just before "First Empire" there are the captions: but on the page French Consulate, there is no occurrence of the term Consulat décennal (or "decennial consulate"). Trying "find sources": there are very few results; the few that exist are mostly from before 1910, with hardly anything after 1970.
 * Consulat décennal
 * Consulat à vie

Does anyone have an objection to removing 'Consulat décennal' from the diagram? Or, conversely, if you know of or can find a few reliable sources that support the existence of the Consulat décennal as a term commonly used by modern historians, can you add them below? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 04:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Rather than searching for "décennal" or "decennial", please search for "ten years" (or "dix ans", i.e. "ten years consulate" or "consulat dix ans"). If this case, in the previous given page French Consulate, in the chapter The_new_government, in the paragraph under the diagram, you will find "...three consuls, who were elected for ten years." (i.e. decennial, a ten years duration).
 * Moreover, in the same page, in the chapter Napoleon's_consolidation_of_power, in the third paragraph, in the text "...Consulate, not for ten years but for life...", you'll find what is named Consulat à vie (i.e. something like "lifetime consulate"? – I don't know because it's the life of the consul... not really the life of the consulate... but in this case, it last before the death of the consul ).
 * See also my similar response on Commons: Text translations: Consulat decennal, Year VIII, etc. En rouge (talk) 18:24, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not a translation issue, but a search issue: it's a question of: 1) whether Consulat decennal is a topic handled in English historiography at all, and if so: 2) it's a discovery process of how do historians writing in English refer to this, and not "how should Wikipedia editors translate this phrase?".
 * Translating the topic of an article or any notable subject that could be an article, is not the same as translating expressions found in running text. In the latter case, any competent, accurate translation will do. In the former case, we must use what reliable sources in the target language use; that is, we must "translate" Gone With the Wind into French as Autant en emporte le vent, and not as "Parti dans le vent" even though the latter might be a more conventional translation in running text for what happened to the newspaper you were reading on the terrace before a gust blew it away. In the opposite direction, the correct translation for Mein Kampf as a topic and article title into English is "Mein Kampf", because that is how reliable sources in English refer to it; but the correct translation is "my struggle" when it occurs is running text in the pages of the book, for the same reason. The correct translation of the French Ancien régime into English is "Ancien Régime"; but the correct translation of Révolution française into English is "French Revolution"; consistency be damned. The rendering of topic titles needn't be, and often is not consistent, and it doesn't have to be logical; it *does* have to be the term used by the majority of reliable sources *in English*.
 * The same thing applies here. When talking about historical topics, historians create terms that may change over time (The Great War) or in different places (the "Revolutionary War"&#91;disambig&#93; (in America), or the "American War of Independence" (in the U.K.) ). So, the task here is not to "translate" the term Consulat décennal as if it were running text, but to *find* the term used by contemporary reliable sources in English to talk about it. If it is a recognized topic among historians and academics, the tip-off is that it will generally be found in title case, that is, all capital letters (as in "French Revolution") even if the topic in English retains the French name, thus "Ancien Regime" in English (not "Ancien régime").
 * Expressions like the one you quoted: "...three consuls, who were elected for ten years" are running text, and do not identify a topic, so do not help. An ngrams search for Consulat decennal,Decennial Consulate,Ten year Consulate,Consulate of ten years limited to books in English shows that there is almost no data available for the English terms, and none at all for Consulat decennal (remember, we are talking about English books here).  Performing a similar query restricted to books in French shows a burst of activity from 1800 – 1820, and almost nothing since 1940. My conclusion is that the term "Consulat decennal" (or "Consulate of ten years", or the other terms) is not a *topic* considered by historians in English at all, and hardly in French either, and therefore should not have its own cell in the diagram, as that would be original research on the part of Wikipedians giving it more importance in the diagram than historians give it in either language, that is not based on the majority of reliable sources. If you search the text of any other cell in the diagram, such as "First Empire", "Fourth Republic", or "First Restoration", there are thousands or tens of thousands of results; including a cell for "the consulate of ten years" at the same level as those would be WP:UNDUE WEIGHT. Mathglot (talk) 21:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Please don't forget to put a or whatever, on reply, thanks!
 * You can only find what you're looking for...
 * To your ngrams search, just add "consulate for ten years" (in the english corpus). Moreover, be careful about your spelling, for instance "Ten years Consulate". At least your search will be safer using wildcard character (and/or some prefix/suffix options).
 * For constitutions numbering, it's the same. Please see the results looking for "[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=constitution+of+year+VIII%2Cconstitution+of+the+year+VIII%2Cconstitution+de+l%27An+VIII%2Cconstitution+of+1799&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&case_insensitive=on&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cconstitution%20of%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20Year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%20Year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cconstitution%20of%20the%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%20the%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20the%20Year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20the%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%20the%20Year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BCONSTITUTION%20OF%20THE%20YEAR%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20the%20year%20viii%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cconstitution%20de%20l%27%20An%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BConstitution%20de%20l%27%20An%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20de%20l%27%20an%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cconstitution%20of%201799%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%201799%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%201799%3B%2Cc0#t4%3B%2Cconstitution%20of%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20Year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%20Year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cconstitution%20of%20the%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%20the%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20the%20Year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20the%20year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%20the%20Year%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BCONSTITUTION%20OF%20THE%20YEAR%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%20the%20year%20viii%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cconstitution%20de%20l'%20An%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BConstitution%20de%20l'%20An%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BConstitution%20de%20l'%20an%20VIII%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cconstitution%20of%201799%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BConstitution%20of%201799%3B%2Cc0%3B%3Bconstitution%20of%201799%3B%2Cc0 constitution of year VIII,constitution of the year VIII,constitution de l'An VIII,constitution of 1799]" (in the english corpus). "Constitution of the year VIII" seems to be something as a response to our debate.
 * Yours, En rouge (talk) 13:42, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * PS: there is something like a bug with the apostrophe in "l'An VIII": there is a message with an improper &amp;#39; . Only redo the search (from the search field, not the browser address bar). En rouge (talk) 14:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * En rouge, I think you completely miss the point, here. What I am saying, is, that the concept of "Consulat decennal" under whatever name, English, or French, plural or singular, is not something that is commonly found in reliable sources, and therefore is not something that should be prominently displayed in a timeline diagram of over 200 years of French history or French constitutions. This does not mean it isn't true, or doesn't exist but it is a massive violation of WP:DUE WEIGHT to talk about something that is so infrequently discussed by historians, and hardly at all since the 1820s. Plenty of things are "true" that are not covered in the diagram, and should not be. There are entire books that discuss the main points of French governments such as "Third Republic", dozens of them, hundreds of articles, and countless articles on the web. There is no question whatever, that the "Third Republic" is a major topic discussed by historians and other scholars, and deserves to be in the diagram, as it currently is.
 * In contrast, consider the coverage of "Consulat decennal" (under whatever name or language): this is something which is hardly discussed by historians at all and is not a major topic of academic study in the context of the broad sweep of French history. Even French Wikipedia recognizes this, and it is not surprising that there is no article in French Wikipedia about the "Consulat decennal"&mdash;it simply doesn't have enough sources to write an article about it. You have to make a distinction between what is true, and what deserves mention in the timeline; plenty of things are true: I could talk about the Empire Defense Council created by de Gaulle to administrate Free France and the Brazzaville Manifesto which established it, or the French Committee of National Liberation, a crucial period in French history and the survival of republican government in France which well deserve their encyclopedic coverage in French and English Wikipedias based on their coverage in books and other historical sources, but that doesn't mean that the Empire Defense Council or the CFLN deserve their own cell in the timeline; they do not, because of the relatively weak treatment of them by historians compared to other topics, such as the Vichy regime. However, even these two have vastly more coverage than the almost non-existent coverage of the Consulat decennal, and there's no way that this barely-discussed topic deserves to be in the diagram.
 * Finally, your ngrams search proves little, other than the fact that "consulate for ten years" is practically flat-lined on the X-axis in modern times. There are a handful of books which mention it prior to 1910, and another handful since 1980 (of those, about half quote Napoleon from 1801 in Bourrienne's Memoirs: "The present state of things, this Consulate of ten years, does not satisfy me"; apart from that, there's virtually no discussion of it).
 * Two other minor points: this section is only about the Consulat decennal and not about the naming of constitutions; if you wish to discuss the latter, please raise another discussion. Secondly, it's off-topic to discuss English grammar here, but I'll explain on your talk page about "ten-year consulate" and why there is no -s there. Mathglot (talk) 18:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * As you request in your posts: please don't forget to put a or whatever, on reply, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by En rouge (talk • contribs) 19:17, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it's not a review of historical books. Actually with two cells "Consulate" and "Consulate", it's stupid! There are events behind these periods of time.
 * You where looking for some names: I give you those! You refuse with other arguments, it's up to you. I think we are in an infinite loop, I will not fight.
 * You argue the poorness of references, not to distinguish these periods of time. OK.
 * But I remind you that the purpose of the timeline is "constitution", and with "Constitution de l'An VIII" an "Constitution de l'An X" we have two periods of times
 * I'm OK with you for not mixing here "décennal" and constitutions naming, but flying between Commons (and sections in Commons), french Wikipedia, english Wikipedia, without being prompted! I'm exhausted!
 * And finally, from an initial advice of to get an internationalized file, we are about to finish with not really readable timeline. We will see if there will be unique language file derivatives or not!
 * I already give up for svg file editing, as I'm not here to fight. I'm here to enhance WP and Commons in an encyclopedian way.
 * I'm now giving up upon "décennal" and constitutions naming. I've tried to give you some matter for your findings, you trash it,
 * never mind.
 * Your are arguing about "ten years" and "ten-year", I know what you are writing and what I'm writing. I've done some suggestions, they are still valid. Understand them or not. It's not a problem. It's not my problem.
 * Try to give your best, with others (but it's not a way to ask, and then impose your view: it's time consuming for you and others).
 * I only regret my waste of time.
 * Yours, En rouge (talk) 19:59, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Reminder: I ed you!
 * this discussion is mostly moot, because the situation has quiesced at Commons, and the request is about to be closed. However given the tone, which surprised me, and a couple of matters of fact, I feel I have to respond:
 * On En-wiki, historical articles *are* essentially a summary of the main viewpoints of historical books (and other reliable sources). En-wiki and fr-wiki have their own rules (and Commons sits outside both of them) so it may be that you are used to doing things differently on fr-wiki; my sense is that their requirements for reliability and NPOV are more lax there. This table might help you compare them.
 * Indeed they are; there was never any disagreement about that.
 * I'm very happy with the timeline you helped build, and I really don't know what you mean. Even without clicking through to Commons, the main text is readable at page width size. It serves the purpose well. That said, I agree that the font-size in the largest cells (e.g., "Fifth Republic", etc.) could be larger, and would welcome changes to that effect, but it's fine as is, and that can be put off until some future enhancement. (But feel free to improve the fonts now, or any time you feel like; anything that improves readability is a plus in my book.)
 * Huh?? There was indeed disagreement about the calendar year naming and especially in the Consulat décennal and gave reasoned, policy-based arguments for my PoV, but rather than hold up the diagram by attempting to resolve it once the disagreement was evident, I said, No consensus, therefore let's do it your way, and move on. (diff). So I find that comment disingenuous.
 * In general, it's a bit upsetting to see what seems like a completely different take of what occurred at the Commons Graphics Lab, which I viewed as an excellent example of collaboration among three graphists, plus myself as requester, and I very much appreciate the work you did improving and upgrading the timeline, and adding new language versions; it couldn't have happened without you. In any collaborative effort, there is going to be different views on any number of things, but I don't see that as problematic in any way; it's the difference of views and talking it out that is the best technique we have for finding the optimum solution, and I see that as a good thing, and I think we arrived at a great result. You apparently see it differently, and I'm sorry about that. I'm really not sure what else I can say, other than thank you very much for your efforts to improve the diagram! Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 19:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I try to be not too long to read:
 * Stay upset. Yours, En rouge (talk) 00:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Huh?? There was indeed disagreement about the calendar year naming and especially in the Consulat décennal and gave reasoned, policy-based arguments for my PoV, but rather than hold up the diagram by attempting to resolve it once the disagreement was evident, I said, No consensus, therefore let's do it your way, and move on. (diff). So I find that comment disingenuous.
 * In general, it's a bit upsetting to see what seems like a completely different take of what occurred at the Commons Graphics Lab, which I viewed as an excellent example of collaboration among three graphists, plus myself as requester, and I very much appreciate the work you did improving and upgrading the timeline, and adding new language versions; it couldn't have happened without you. In any collaborative effort, there is going to be different views on any number of things, but I don't see that as problematic in any way; it's the difference of views and talking it out that is the best technique we have for finding the optimum solution, and I see that as a good thing, and I think we arrived at a great result. You apparently see it differently, and I'm sorry about that. I'm really not sure what else I can say, other than thank you very much for your efforts to improve the diagram! Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 19:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I try to be not too long to read:
 * Stay upset. Yours, En rouge (talk) 00:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lorraine cycle
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Proposed edits for Devialet article
I proposed edits to fix numerous problems on the Devialet article on the Talk page: Talk:Devialet. I’m an employee of the company and can’t edit the page due to WP:COI - anyone from this project able to review the requests? Thank you. Beautreillis6698 (talk) 13:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move
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Featured Article Save Award for Joan of Arc
There is a Featured Article Save Award nomination at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/Joan of Arc/archive2. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  14:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:L'Étape du Tour
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:L'Étape du Tour that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Need some help with Alfred Jean Garnier
Hi all, @Pierregil83 pointed out that there are some debate about the death date of Alfred_Jean_Garnier. The Musee D'Orsay link cited gives a death date of 1908. The equivalent page on French Wiki gives a date of 1921. Unfortunately, I can't find the reference on the French wiki page that I would need to add to the en Wiki to make the statement about there being disagreement on date of death. Could anyone help? Red Fiona (talk) 11:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, here are the references about his death in 1921 on the french wikipedia :https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Jean_Garnier. click on the link 1 and then go to page 22. Pierregil83 (talk) 12:04, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Request for help from a French speaking reviewer
Hi, I've submitted for review the article Draft:Inendi_Inspector (an opensource data visualization software) but it got declined by Stuartyeates because there was not enough secondary independent sources. I added more sources references in my user talk but some of them are written in french language so he suggested me to ask for help here as he is not a French speaker. If someone would like to help me reviewing and validating the relevance of these sources, that would be greatly appreciated! Jib73 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:France-Germany border
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:France-Germany border that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Bermicourt (talk) 07:59, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

French legislative election(s): plural or singular?
Hérisson grognon (talk) 19:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Would anyone like to create a stub for Pieds-rouges? - left-wing / anticolonial activists in Algeria - see [ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieds-rouges ]
Would anyone like to create a stub for Pieds-rouges? - see [ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieds-rouges ] - left-wing / anticolonial activists in Algeria.

(Not to be confused with existing articles about Malbec (grapes / wine) (redirect from Pied Rouge), or Pie Rouge des Plaines "red-pied cattle".)

- 189.122.243.241 (talk) 05:14, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I might, but I'm busy. Ping me in a week or two and I'll try.
 * (P.S. that super-long title makes adding an edit summary a bit difficult; can you shorten it by chopping it off after the question mark? You can move the rest of it from the title, into your comment, if needed. Thanks.) Mathglot (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request about "Milieu" / "organized crime in France"
There's an informal discussion going on regarding a possible page move from "Milieu (organized crime in France)" to "Organized crime in France". Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Milieu (organized crime in France). Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Compas
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Compas that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:12, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Requested move discussion at Talk:Virgin Radio (France)
There is a requested move discussion happened at Talk:Virgin Radio (France) that may be interest to members of this WikiProject. 2600:1700:9BF3:220:B9E1:5B8:C232:4F52 (talk) 02:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Announcing suite of Legifrance templates
There are three templates available for editors who wish to cite laws or other legal texts at Légifrance, France's website for every law or legal text in existence, or that ever was, going back centuries. They are: Please have a look at the doc pages, and try out the templates, and if there is anything that is unclear or could be improved, please note it below, or on the Talk page of the templates. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 11:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Legifrance, a template to generate an external link to a French law (an enhanced port of the French template);
 * Cite Legifrance, a wrapper for Cite web which references Légifrance and adds some additional parameters to be able to cite a specific law; and
 * sfn Legifrance, a mashup of sfn and Cite Legifrance which allows you to easily write a short footnote that links to a specific law.

Good article reassessment for French cuisine
French cuisine has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I can speak some French but not fluently, is it ok for me to join if that is the case? Saturn star (talk) 19:01, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Saturn star, yes. Mathglot (talk) 09:13, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Question de la suprématie / dimension Républic France.

"le projet de loi de l'exécutif sur l'immigration" du point de vue de la suprématie / dimension Républic France.
 * Et aussi . Du point de vue - la construction du communisme national (pour les citoyens du pays).
 * Si les dirigeants Nationaux Patriotes. Regardez la facture à partir de ces points. D'ailleurs. Le soi-disant "Duldung" allemand. Pour les travailleurs migrants. Restez incontesté par les nazis.
 * Pourquoi - pourquoi?  -                   1 sur 1000 ! Pourra (éventuellement, un jour). Obtenir un permis de séjour illimité.195.244.164.66 (talk) 15:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Cretans (French Revolution)
I just noticed the draft Draft:Cretans (French Revolution). It looks promising. Thriley (talk) 23:03, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Featured article review for Omaha Beach
I have nominated Omaha Beach for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 20:24, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

New Category:France templates parameter issues
A new category for grouping tracking categories for issues with templates relating to France has been created. Feel free to add its subcategories to your watchlist and to add other related template tracking categories to Category:France templates parameter issues. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Clearing Cathedral Confusion.
Hello! Recently, I found my way into an article that I thought was going to be about Notre Dame de Paris, but was instead about the Notre-Dame de l'Assomption de Rouen. However, the article's link merely said Notre Dame. This can cause confusion, since most users associate Notre Dame to the cathedral in Paris. I am thus asking if there is any way to help clear up links that say Notre Dame to something more specific. For example, I changed the link I found to say Rouen Cathedral, the name of that cathedral's article. ERBuermann (talk) 15:57, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:DPDgroup
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:DPDgroup that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 18:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:24, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Henrietta Maria
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Henrietta Maria that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. EggRoll97 (talk) 03:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject categories
I've been coming across a recurring issue of late which I wanted to bring to the WikiProject's attention.

Now, obviously project members already know that categories such as are for the talk pages, not the articles — but for the past few months there have been at least two or three cases per week of that category appearing on new articles, almost always alongside. By and large, further, these articles are created by new users, and it's rarely if ever the same new user twice. But it's incredibly unlikely that genuinely new users would even know about the existence of WikiProject categories in the first place, and even more unlikely that so many new users would repeat the same error over and over again all by themselves unless they were somehow being told that they were supposed to do that. No other WikiProject category ever sees this happen anywhere near as often; Belgium occasionally shows up in the polluted category reports but usually does not (and if it does, it's inevitably also paired with WikiProject Europe on the same page), and no other "WikiProject [projectname] articles" category ever shows up there at all, but Europe and France (virtually always alongside each other on the same articles) have become a thing I have to check daily.

So I can really only think of two possibilities here: either the different new users are actually the same user editing under multiple new names to evade an edit block, or some "creating new articles" guide attached to WikiProject France is somehow giving new editors the mistaken impression that those categories belong on the articles. The French Wikipedia does not, as far as I can tell, place WikiProject categories on articles, so this isn't simply a carry-over from established French-Wikipedia practice either. So could somebody take a look at whether this WikiProject has any documentation that might be causing editors to erroneously think that those categories go on articles instead of talk pages? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 16:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

CFM International CFM56 at FAR
I have nominated CFM International CFM56 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Jean de Carrouges
Jean de Carrouges has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:47, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Catherine de' Medici
Hiya, Frenchies and allies. For those here who are interested in fashion, history, French women, and/or the history of French women's fashion and its influence on the rest of the less glamorous world, there's a small mystery at the Catherine de' Medici article.

The internet as a whole has absolutely fantastic blog entries (sample) about how this cuttingly intelligent but physically still-a-frickin'-14-year-old girl accidentally opened the part of Pandora's box that had been holding back high heels while trying to impress her older royal never-met-before husband-to-be and to intimidate his known-to-be-gorgeous mistress(es). Somehow that is what stuck from the era—not the foot-long pointed toes or foot-wide flippers—and, after spending an amusing interlude causing royalist cavalrymen to fall over a lot, became the women's footwear we all know and loave today.

Thing is, our Catherine de' Medici article doesn't mention her involvement in popularizing heels at all. Not in the (lengthy) article. Not anywhere in the (lengthy) talk page with no archives. I assume that means there's some solid reason to doubt the current internet lore but it's widespread enough across blogs, newspaper articles, and some histories of footwear and fashion that it's actually worth including a paragraph in the article even if it's wrong just to clearly debunk it. Anyone here know what's going on with that? Kindly respond at the talk page itself since I'll also crosspost this request to WPFASHION and WPWOMENSHISTORY. — Llywelyn II   12:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Maupassant or de Maupassant
Bonjour, When referring to Maupassant after using the full name in the lead of the article Guy de Maupassant, should he not be referred to as, "de Maupassant" since his father had received permission to name himself Gustave de Maupassant (read the Guy de Maupassant article - that is mentioned)?-1Firang (talk) 13:53, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


 * In the article about Catherine de Parthenay, the name used subsequently in that article (after the full name in the lead) is "Parthenay (which is the name of a town)" but should it not be "de Parthenay" like in the French Wikipedia?-1Firang (talk) 13:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
 * suggests that it should be "de Parthanay", like "van Gogh" here.-1Firang (talk) 20:08, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Eurostar
Eurostar has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Ritchie333 (talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Merger discussion for First Macron presidency + Second Macron presidency &rarr;
NOTE, and  have been proposed to be merged into See the discussion at Talk:Presidency of Emmanuel Macron. -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 11:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Category:French presidency has been nominated for discussion
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Firearms regulation in France desperately needs to be updated
Hi, I'm pretty new to Wikipedia editing so I'm not sure if this is the right place, but I wanted to bring attention to Firearms regulation in France.

Some information of the article is extremely outdated. To get this article to meet Wikipedia's quality standards, it would take a lot of work and I hope someone can help with that. I will continue to make changes to improve this article.

Thank you. Emibee01 (talk) 21:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Great documentary on Henri Lafont – WW2 – Gestapo – collaboration
Really excellent documentary on WW2 France, and former petty thief and hoodlum Henri Lafont who became a collaborator with the Germans in WW2 Paris and head of the Lauriston Street Gang, and then rose to power as head of the Paris Gestapo. Don't miss Henri Lafont, the godfather of the Gestapo (YouTube; 50'). Mathglot (talk) 05:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Attempting to identify a "Captain R. Devaulx"
Hi all, while writing up War College (Finland), I came across a French person called "Captain R. Devaulx" who was one of the first teachers of the college. He would have worked at the college as a "teacher of military technology" (more specifically, "car transportation" in a few sources) starting from 1924 or 1925. A newspaper clipping gives a full name of "Robert Pierre Devaulx" (nb: Finns could have taken liberties spelling foreign names, could be "de Vaulx") and says he was born in 1882. I'm not seeing the DoB reported elsewhere, so that might be incorrect. He's also described as having arrived in Finland in 1921, or thereabouts. Some sources describe him as an "engineering captain" (freely translated), so that might help nail it down.

My French language skills are attrocious, so if anyone here has ideas on how to find out more about this person, I'd most appreciate any tips and hints. Ljleppan (talk) 10:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)


 * E.g. it would be great if there was some way to match him to this person. Ljleppan (talk) 10:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Siege of Mantua (1799)
Siege of Mantua (1799) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

List of rulers of Provence has an RFC
List of rulers of Provence has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the |discussion page. Thank you. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 19:18, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Presidency of Emmanuel Macron
The former redirect which is now an article, Presidency of Emmanuel Macron is in need of editors who can add their contributions to cleanup the page and add more information. As a note, please follow the format of articles on presidencies and don't turn this into a biographical article which this is not. And don't just merge everything from the main article on Macron which has already been done. Information should generally be reflected on both pages. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:50, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Problems with Class B assessment
All articles rated Class B on this wikiproject are displayed as Class C. Have you some technical experts who can look into this? If not, it should be brought to the attention of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council. Maybe can help.--Ipigott (talk) 14:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC) I've noticed WikiProject Russia suffers from the same problem.--Ipigott (talk) 15:55, 29 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Does this project use what I think of as the MILHIST style for B-class assessments, which requires documenting multiple individual criteria, instead of just typing ? WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:00, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Credibility bot
As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 17:49, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Air Inter Flight 148
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Air Inter Flight 148 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – Material  Works  10:38, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

out of date main page
I notice that the main page of this wikiproject has "Announcements and News" and "Open Reviews and Assessments" sections that are very out of date, and superseded by the bot update sections further down the page. Does anyone object to me removing them? -- asilvering (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Louis Philippe II, Duke of Orléans
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Louis Philippe II, Duke of Orléans that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 21:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of GiFi


The article GiFi has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Article does not meet notability guidelines; it has only one source cited (which primarily talks about the founder of the company) and lacks significant coverage."

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Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon
<div style="border: 6px solid #2bbf08; background: #FFF; background-color:#FFFFFF; padding: 1ex 1ex 1ex 1.5ex; margin: 0px 0px 1em 1em; font-size: 99%"> Hello WikiProject France:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there! Grnrchst (talk) 13:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Europe Ecology – The Greens
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Europe Ecology – The Greens that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:05, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

trying to find info on Jean Louis Charles d'Orléans, Duke of Longueville
Hey, I’m just trying to find info on this guy and all I’ve got is that he went bonkers mad Micheal Paleologo-Oriundi (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The French wp bio. Since he went mad and was confined to monastery at about 18, there's not a lot to say, beyond the usual list of titles etc. Johnbod (talk) 17:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I made a draft on the guy and thanks for the info! Micheal Paleologo-Oriundi (talk) 17:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Pieds-noirs
Hello, is wise to categorize Pieds-Noirs as Algerian people of French descent, French people of Algerian descent, Algerian emigrants to France ? I thought the definition of Pieds-Noirs was French or European citizens with no Algerian descent ? Do we categorize British people born in Egypt or Nigeria as Egyptian or Nigerian people ? Frenchl (talk) 14:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:FRENCHCAPS
We're unsure how best to capitalise the French title of an album in an article title. Please can someone provide an informed third opinion at User talk:Minorax? Thanks, Certes (talk) 12:14, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Whiddy Island disaster
Whiddy Island disaster has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:50, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Queen Mary 2
Queen Mary 2 has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 17:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Franco-Siamese War
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Franco-Siamese War that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:01, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Albert Camus' role at Paris-soir
At Talk:Albert Camus I asked a question regarding Albert Camus' role at the newspaper Paris-soir. The article currently states that Camus was editor-in-chief of Paris-soir, while I have a source that says he was only layout designer for the paper. I would be grateful if anyone finds a source that could shed light on this matter. Cheers, AxelBoldt (talk) 01:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

french quebecers
has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 07:53, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Black Horror on the Rhine
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Black Horror on the Rhine that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:High Tension
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:High Tension that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:17, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 2007 24 Hours of Le Mans
2007 24 Hours of Le Mans has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:47, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Charles IX of France
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Charles IX of France that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Creation of a Departments Task Force
The 'Politics' section, even other parts, of most departments is still outdated or unreferenced. Many still use general council instead of departmental council and the data is from the 2015 elections (and there are articles on 'President of General Council of [department]' for some reason).

There are near 100 departments and 100 departmental councils, and the next elections are in 2027. So I want to propose the creation of a group which can update these articles and also other articles mentioning the council. Thank you! Excellenc1 (talk) 13:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Francophone Women★ Writers Fortnight 2024
Bonjour! Members of this WikiProject may be interested in participating in an online edit-a-thon running from 16 to 31 March.

The WikiWomen's User Group is supporting the work of French project Les sans pagEs to celebrate women★ Francophone writers. The aim of this fortnight-long edit-a-thon is to showcase the diversity of French-speaking women and non-binary writers from all over the world.

More information, including how to sign up and participate, is available at Francophone Women Writers Fortnight 2024. The page includes suggested lists of articles to work on. You can contribute as much or as little as you like, and do not have to have level of editing experience or be any gender or French-speaking. All are welcome, and please let me know if you have any questions :)

Merci beaucoup! Chocmilk03 (talk) 23:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)