Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France/Paris/Archive 1

Arrondissements
Suggest categorising by arrondissements as the streets are being created - it's not much work at that stage and gives substantial added value eventually. Also fix on one provider for a satellite image - I used one in Rue de l'Abbaye but there may well be other and better (incidentally maybe that should be moved to meet proposed naming convention). FWIW: A fact from the article Rue de l'Abbaye, was recently featured in - so the contents of these articles will be of general interest. Dl yo ns 493  Ta lk   13:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I just had a look at the Rue de l'Abbaye article - quel travail! You again have a great point in there - transport - and I will add this to the front page "template" now. Thanks! ThePromenader 18:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That is a good question and point - the "arrondissement" categorising part. Normally it's not reccommended that an article be categorised at once in a category and sub-category... so would it be logical (and permitted) to, say, divide this between two sub-categories, say "Streets of Paris (by alphabetical order)" and "Streets of Paris (by arrondissement)"? Stickler. ThePromenader 16:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * This is actually a real head-scratcher. If we were to begin a Category:Streets and squares of Paris by arrondissement, how could the entries be listed in the correct order? Using the pipe trick, one could add the number of the arrondissment after the category and have the listing appear under the right arondissement - but for the order of the streets themselves within? I don't think it's possible to do a "two times" pipe trick. Looking into this. ThePromenader 09:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the only feasable way I could come up with is to name each street on the model: "Mouffetard (rue), (Paris, France)." This way you wouldn't need the pipe trick for the Category:Streets and squares of Paris and you could reserve it for Category:Streets and squares of Paris (by Arrondissement). This would work fine but I'm not so sure for the look of it all - two sets of brackets in the namespace? Has this been done before?


 * I see these as two possiblilities :
 * Mouffetard (rue), (Paris, France)
 * Mouffetard, rue, (Paris, France)


 * Yikes. Would love a second opinion. Consider this dipping a toe into the Wikipool before diving in. ThePromenader 23:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Having an article about Rue Mouffetard named anything other than Rue Mouffetard would be totally unintuitive and un-Wikipedia like. You do know that for categories, you can do Mouffetard right? Even if you can't get categories to look pretty, you can always format Stevage 23:47, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * (Slapping forehead) You know, sometimes I think way past the problem. One could put the rue Zidane (Paris) into and it would order AND alphabetize just fine. Thanks for bringing my attention back to that. ThePromenader 11:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Starting Line
It looks like this project is going to make it through consensus with an overwhelming "keep" (thanks!) so I'm looking forward to working on it soon. I wish it was possible to put some sort of "to do" street list talk subpage here but it seems that it would be detectable - instead I will be putting a copy on a sub-page of my user page - if you are also working on this project (thanks!) and would like a copy for yourself, please feel free to come and copy it for your own user page.

Personally I am looking forward to this, and I hope to be doing at least one or two streets a day. Thanks in advance to all participating : ) ThePromenader 21:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Update - It made it through deletion consensus just fine - thanks to all for the support! ThePromenader 18:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Naming
Suggest that you create aliases with some standard naming, but create main articles like your Rue Zidane or whatever whenever they don't conflict with other existing articles. I believe that's the general Wikipedia policy - you only put disambiguation things in brackets when there is something to disambiguate against. Also suggest that the disambig be just (Paris) rather than (Paris, France). Paris is the central meaning of Paris. Other WPs later on can have Johnson Street (Paris, Texas) or whatever if they really want.

Beyond that I don't have much to contribute to this project, knowing absolutely nothing about Paris streets. Though I look forward to reading Rue Pierre Charonne (sp?), which is the location of the action in Renaud's song Les Charognards. Stevage 23:44, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll make a point of making that one one of the first then : ) Thanks for the input. ThePromenader 10:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I hadn't realised that everything within brackets in a namespace was taken for disambiguation. Reading up on that now. The bracket idea was there to waylay future conflicts rather than present disambiguations. To tell you the truth the idea came quite naturally when I thought to many towns in France - many of their streets share the same names. If you do a Google for "rue Gambetta" or "rue de Solférino" or (egads!) streets named for saints - with some you'll get every Francophone village on the planet. Wiki's still relatively small as far as non-Anglophone geographical locales are concerned, but imagine the future. Yet policy is policy - I think this is worth looking into on the concerned help pages. T HE P ROMENADER 22:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Streets and squares of Paris

Map Wonk!
I've been experimenting with the infobox a bit. The upper window will be a smallish plan of paris (I think) including the "bois" to each side... I'm still wondering whether the lower plan should be a "complete arrondissement" plan showing the street's location in it, or a "quarter" plan perhaps. If it's the former the highlighted street will be off-centre in the image, if it's the latter we won't be seeing too much of the quarter. The plan you see there is a portion of one of my own and is temporary - I have already asked another contributor for permission to use his. Still, nothing's final - perhaps no plan at all! That's where I am for now - still "dressing up" before setting out. If anyone has any suggestions, shoot! T HE P ROMENADER 19:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've come up with a bit of an idea that I will be working on today. Upper window: Plan of Paris with square indicating street's region of Paris. Lower window: The above square enlarged. Must find some plans.  T HE P ROMENADER  08:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm actually having a h*ll of a time with this. If every infobox has two plans, each with a box or line on it, we would have to upload 12.000 180px x (whatever)px images to wiki - and each image would have to be created by the contributor himself from a large original. This is impossible, and impossible to ask. Were it my own site, I would tell php to extract a square from an overall larger plan, mark it according to coordinates and generate a .png... but this is here.


 * All I can suggest for now is placing an arrondissement plan up top... looking into making a pre-prepared SVG with all "to highlight" streets pre-drawn on individual "layers" that can be activated or hidden by a contributor before the picture is published... will see.  T HE P ROMENADER  10:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Eureka! A "floating dot" concept: The top window would be an entire (but small and wide) plan of Paris, and the bottom window would be a plan of the street's arrondissement (doing a quarter plan would be way too complicated and heavy for Wiki). In each frame can be a small dot or cross that would be placed over the plan by x and y coordinates entered into the template window. This way we would only need twenty arrondissement plans (plus the Boulogne and Vincennes wood/parklands?), one small Paris plan and... two dots. Will try it out tonight if I can get the plans done.  T HE P ROMENADER  17:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds excellent - a lot of work for you, but the result will really add to the articles. Maybe we can port it across to fr.wiki (and bring some coals to Newcastle).   Dl yo ns 493   Ta lk  19:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The code's the easy part - I'm still working on the map. Trying to get the colors right for the infobox too...  T HE P ROMENADER  21:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Infobox Done
The infobox is looking pretty much as it's going to - for a while. I've never done anything more problematic in my my life - different browsers show different elements in different ways depending on their respective ways of interpreting CSS rules - normally there's workarounds ('hacks"), for the more buggy browsers, but this is Wiki so no can-do. What's more, no background images, no stylesheets, just inline "style" tags... in a word: "Aaaaargh!!!!" It's tested in IE Explorer for Mac and windows, Safari for Mac and Firefox on both Mac and Windows. Took me three hours in all to make.

I've found a map - still tweaking. Paris map up top, "Quartier" detail in the bottom for now. Will see if it works when I'm done...

T HE P ROMENADER 23:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * FWIW I'm working on an 'infobox generator' that should make the 'data' part of an article simpler.   T HE P ROMENADER  22:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Good job. I updated the infobox template so as to get rid of the french words, and edited the pages where the template appears (Project page and Rue Mouffetard so far). I might take some time to update the street entries on wikipedia with the Infobox, but I would like confirmation that this is more or less final, as I just popped on the project page. Equendil 16:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks a lot. Unfortunately you didn't update all the articles this infobox appears in, so now none of them have any maps and are missing details. It would be easier for me simply revert your changes to set things right again, but I'll make a list of what they were and set all the articles right again. Thank heavens the project hasn't moved too far ahead : )  T HE P ROMENADER  18:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Doh! I used the search feature on wikipedia as I wanted to know which pages were using the infobox, and it only returned a couple. I guess it wasn't the right way to find the pages :S Anyway, if you give me a little time, I might be able to fix the whole thing. Equendil 18:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I see you were editing the pages at the same time, I think all are done now ? I'll work on pages that lack the infobox if it's alright with you ? Equendil 18:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Already done, sir. Beat me to one though : ) The best way to find 'what links here' on any template is the... 'what links here' button in the lefthand column on that page. Thanks for your interest. Interested in Paris?  T HE P ROMENADER  18:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * By all means, please do, and thanks! Do let me know if you have any problems with that 'infobox data generator' - I haven't tried it in a while. Cheers!  T HE P ROMENADER  18:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I figured out the "what links here" now, I should have known better though. Anyway, I'm french and live in Paris, so I thought this was interesting. I'll fool around with that generator and update the entries that lack the infobox. Equendil 18:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Links don't look good on captions, as seen here : Place du Colonel Fabien for instance, blue on blue makes them hard to read. Not sure what should be done about that though. Equendil 00:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Damn, you're right. May have to make some sort of special 'a:hover' class for the infobox alone? I'll give it some thought...  T HE P ROMENADER  00:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation
Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Tito xd (?!? - help us) 18:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Map for the Plot of the Rue Saint-Nicaise
Hi - I am currently working on an article about the Plot of the Rue Saint-Nicaise, an 1800 assassination attempt on Napoleon. I would like to illustrate the article with a map and am currently using Image:Paris 2nd.png, the map of the 2nd arrondissement. It is really too small even when you click on the thumbnail to enlarge the street names are barely legible. The plot extends beyond the boundaries of the 2nd towards Saint-Lazare, etc. I understand that some members of this project have been producing maps and wondered if they could help.

The streets involved are
 * Rue Paradis, near Saint-Lazare
 * place du Carrousel ...
 * Rue Saint-Nicaise ...
 * Tuileries Palace ...
 * Rue du Faubourg Saint Honoré, where Napoleon had massacred the royalist rebels in 1795, “more or less abreast of what is now the Place du Théâtre Français.
 * The Rue de la Loi, (today the Rue de Richelieu), which led to the opera, was almost a continuation of it.”

thus, in the immediate vicintity of the explosion: ''Rue St.-Nicaise, toward the Rue St.-Honoré, some 20 meters from the Place du Carrousel ... One [plotter] would stand watch before the Hôtel de Longueville, at the far side of the square. Thus he would see the carriage [of Bonaparte] when it left the Tuileries'' ...

When preparing the bomb, the plotters drove the cart to the Porte Saint-Denis, on the northern outskirts of Paris.

The article needs a lot of work to improve clarity, but I am sure a map would assist understanding the description. Thanks--A Y  Arktos 19:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 17:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject France
Suggestions/remarks are requested how best we can integrate WikiProject Paris Streets into WikiProject France. Kindly answer on the WikiProject France talk page. STTW (talk)  19:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Name changes
What will the procedure on street-name changes be?

As an example - in the area in front of Notre Dame Cathedral there is a street named after John/Jean Paul II, which is obviously a recent naming: atlases/street maps of even recent vintage will show the old name - and there are likely to be thousands of other cases, some more significant than others.

It is best to decide upon this before the project gets significantly under way. Jackiespeel 15:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Use the new name followed the old between parenthesis (for now), followed by ", Paris" - this would be the best way of going about it for the time being I think. Cheers. THE PROMENADER  02:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this needs to become the Paris taskforce. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. I moved the page to Paris, updated the main page "Taskforce List", and put an underconstruction tag on this page. Also, I edited the template source of the project banner in my userspace in order that the articles can now be tagged as part of the taskforce. Like this:

(this isn't the real template, it's just the draft in my userspace) 16:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

For the Tokyo taskforce Category:WikiProject_Japan_Tokyo_taskforce lists articles in its space, but I don't think the Paris taskforce has one yet. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't figure out how the template code works that adds the article to the category. But...I'm working on it :) Lazulilasher (talk) 01:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Continued interest
Hi, I've just been reviewing the changes to the Paris articles. You may have noticed that I've been away for a while - first, to give others a chance to improve articles, then because of a period of (still ongoing) overwork - but I'd just like to assure you all of my continued interest and participation. I'll be reorganising my time between 'work' and 'liesure' from early next year, and Wiki will be a part of the latter.

Can I also call your attention to Portal:Paris? This also can use all the improvement and participation it can get. Cheers, THE PROMENADER  08:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to see someone pop up over here ;) I, as well, have been away for awhile. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Roads
The World Roads Portal is at Peer Review, if any editors know of any articles, images, news items or DYKs which could be added to the Portal, please add them directly to the portal or contact ....SriMesh |  talk  00:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Photograph request - Air France HQ
Hi! Would someone like to photograph the headquarters of Air France, by CDG Airport at 45, rue de Paris 95 747 Roissy CDG Cedex? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The request has been fulfilled. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Scope
Does this project cover communes surrounding Paris? Or does this only cover the Paris city limits? I think it ought to cover the communes in the entire Paris Metro area. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would consider the Metropolitan Paris? --Anneyh (talk) 18:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I will add the taskforce link to the talk pages of all of the communes within metropolitan Paris. Tremblay-en-France was one of the first, as it has the AF headquarters. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:14, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Societe Generale
I am confused about where the headquarters are. Some sources said that they moved to the Tours Société Générale, but the website continues to list the Paris address as its main office. Where are the executive offices of Societe Generale? WhisperToMe (talk) 06:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aY1GmyC9KlL4&refer=home says that the bank is headquartered out of La Defense, but the website of Societe Generale lists Paris as the head office WhisperToMe (talk) 06:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.amf-france.org/DocDoif/cpf/2006/2006-02911401.PDF says on page 29/55 that the paying agent is based out of Paris while the calculation agent is based out of La Defense. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The official "siege social" address is one of the legal mention in French webiste:
 * http://www.sg-securities.fr/SGSS/EN/mentionslegales
 * Registered Office : 29 boulevard Haussmann 75009 Paris (Siège Social)
 * Headquarter doesn't look like legally binding. It's probably correct that Societe Generale traders HQ is in La Defense. It is difficult (and expensive) to expand in Paris for companies, and there may be some tax reasons to keep the registered office in Paris. --Anneyh (talk) 17:46, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Yeah, that's probably also why Air France moved. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Paris transportation template
I'm considering taking over the templates from WPFR. The inventory of lines is at the bottom of the articles and the Transilien lines are named with letters instaed of juswt the Paris main station they are associated with. Any opinion/advise welcome! --Anneyh (talk) 07:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you want to do that it would be fine by me; although, I do not speak for the project as a whole. In my opinion, its superior to have anyone working on it. Sometimes when I work on a template, I make up a draft copy in userspace and post a note on the attached project in order that I get more commentary. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:41, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, I gave it a try: see Test page and proposal for WPEN template. The idea is that the inventory of all public transports would be a navbox on the bottom of network and line articles, and to use the infobox as real information on the article (as it is already done in WPFR). --Anneyh (talk) 19:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Paris area photo requests
Here are some more photo requests:
 * SNCF head office - Paris - Uploaded on French Wikipedia, but I need sources to justify inclusion on the English Wikipedia
 * Corsairfly head office - Rungis
 * Accor head office - Courcouronnes
 * PSA Peugeot Citroën head office - Paris
 * Citroën head office - Saint-Ouen
 * Assuming the buildings are new, the images should be uploaded directly on EN
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 01:36, 3 November 2009 (UTC)