Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Freemasonry/citation

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Citation & List pages

 * 1) A page/list of Freemasons
 * 2) A page created for verification of said Freemasons on wikipedia
 * A Catagory, w/many subcats, for Freemasons
 * 1) freemasons
 * 2) freemasons by nation
 * 3) american freemasons
 * 4) australian freemasons
 * 5) austrian freemasons
 * 6) belgian freemasons
 * 7) british freemasons
 * 8) bulgarian freemasons
 * 9) canadian freemasons
 * 10) chilean freemasons
 * 11) chinese freemasons
 * 12) colombian freemasons
 * 13) cuban freemasons
 * 14) czech freemasons
 * 15) dutch freemasons
 * 16) english freemasons
 * 17) finnish freemasons
 * 18) french freemasons
 * 19) gabonese freemasons
 * 20) german freemasons
 * 21) greek freemasons
 * 22) guyanese freemasons
 * 23) hong kong freemasons
 * 24) icelandic freemasons
 * 25) indian freemasons
 * 26) indian freemasons
 * 27) irish freemasons
 * 28) italian freemasons
 * 29) japanese freemasons
 * 30) mexican freemasons
 * 31) northern irish freemasons
 * 32) norwegian freemasons
 * 33) philippine freemasons
 * 34) polish freemasons
 * 35) portuguese freemasons
 * 36) scottish freemasons
 * 37) slovenian freemasons
 * 38) south african freemasons
 * 39) spanish freemasons
 * 40) swedish freemasons
 * 41) swiss freemasons
 * 42) turkish freemasons
 * 43) ukrainian freemasons
 * 44) welsh freemasons
 * 45) shriners
 * 46) canadian shriners
 * 47) masonic knights templar
 * 48) scottish rite freemasons
 * 49) List of Grand Masters of the Grand Lodge of Scotland
 * 50) Other Masonic members:
 * 51) Rite of Memphis members & GM's

Solve:
If no data, sometimes enter "unknown" or somesuch Grye 04:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There's details, like adding space for other Lodge affiliations, PM dates, KT. SR, Shriners, degrees & affiliations, etc, but I'm learning by destruction here... Grye 04:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

original statement

 * I've worked, I think alot, on this subject in the past. I've recently noticed that a LOT of people listed don't have verification (nothing new), & a lot of the people listed w/ & w/o verification, aren't cat'd on their page. It's nearly a moot point, since most anyone could put anything down, & unless someone cares enough, and then actually checks w/ the Lodge, it's by an honor-system, which... is what it is.

But. the (hopefully not just my) issue is, the multitude of pages listing Freemasons, shown above, & the problems which arise.

The verification page needs to be more integral to the listing [article &/or catagory(ies)] page(s). I am willing to do a lot of this work, but need concensus on the structure. The current system (listing at Freemasons article, w/ a trusted to be citation in the citation article) has proven itself ineffectual for quite some time now.


 * Should Verification Citations be at:
 * The discussion pages of the catagories the article sends to?
 * i.e. for Buzz Aldrin, "Category talk-American Freemasons"?
 * The main discussion page for Category-Freemasons by nation (would become huge)

A primary problem is that the catagory should not be placeable w/o citation, & chasing down citations will get very tedious very fast w/o a central, &/or logical, location (& will so, even then!).

It's actually an interesting note on a possible problem of Wikipedia: a Catagory inclusion is actual encyclopedic content, but without a system for citation! Humph...

Maybe also, a (an automated) notation added that a person who has had a Freemason catagory added to their page is in fact cited/cerified?

Or, ideally, if possible (?), the addition of a "...Freemason" catagory goes to another page, until approved as verified, & that verification listed somwhat as it is on the now existing page but now on the Freemason-country discussion page, then the person is listed on the catagory article page? That would actually be pretty good, but couldn't be up to one person...

I don't know, that's why I'm asking, but something should really be sorted out, because the current system isn't working, & as the articles & their catagories become more compex, so does the problem.

Grye 07:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 *  Move Cites to article's talk page? 

What about simply adding a citation to the Person's (Article's) talk page? It would not allow for inclusion of Freemasons without an article, & would probably cause the removal of the Talk:List of Freemasons/citation & Talk:List of Freemasons pages, as they'd be redundant, & after removal of people with this info in their article, the list would become a stub.

Also, the "American Freemason" (etc) tag at the bottom can be quickly authenticated by going to the talk page of the same article (not the other 2 vague pages listed above), as it can from the page, follow the links to the person's article > the talk page, & thus the citation.

further, citation would not be needed here: Category talk:American Freemasons

I don't know if the talk page is an appropriate place, Vs. the main article page. Any thoughts?

Grye 00:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)