Wikipedia talk:WikiProject French communes/Archive 4

Navigation templates for french municipalities
Hi everybody. I'm proud to advise you that i've created, on it.wp, the 1st nav template (Alpes Maritimes) for french municipalities (by departments): it:Template:Dipartimento Alpi Marittime.

I hope it could be useful for the navigators in these version ;-)

By now (18-1-2008), there are 11 templates.


 * 🇮🇹 Here the section section of project in italian / and the category with templates


 * 🇫🇷 Here the discussion in french


 * 🇩🇪 Here the discussion in german


 * 🇳🇱 Here the discussion in dutch

The Wikipedia Signpost
Bonjour à tous. I remarked here on the tip line for The Wikipedia Signpost about the large number of new articles being created by your project. (The Wikipedia Signpost, if you don't know, is a weekly internal newspaper about happenings in Wikipedia.) I remarked on it because I thought this growth in articles might be of interest to other Wikipedians. I don't know whether they will include this as a news item, but if they do, I think some statistics would be of interest. Does anyone know how many articles have been created as a result of this project? (I think a reasonable estimate would be fine.)--86.149.49.27 (talk) 10:19, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've hand-crafted copies of 400+ Communes of the Somme department and 100+ Communes of the Pas-de-Calais department from Fr:wiki in the past 3 months or so. Dickie (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Project banner question
Wouldn't it be just as functional to use the WikiProject France banner and maybe create a "drop-down" box for the French communes Project, like is done on the Talk:Sydney page for WikiProject Sydney? That way, both projects would be informed of the articles. John Carter (talk) 19:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

It would be much better to use a kind of thing rather than a seperate banner I think  ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦       $1,000,000? 16:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Communes being a part of WP:FR, so a separate banner is not needed. Something on the lines of a workgroup as in WP:GER or WP:IND could be used. --STTW (talk)  19:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Sainte-Marie-sur-Mer
Hi, I would appreciate if someone could check this over for language, thanks. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 00:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The language seems fine - but I'd anglisize the 'Évolution démographique' to :'Population movement' & 'Census count starting from 1962 : Population without double counting' and add another heading: <==Notes==>

See example at Méricourt-sur-Somme  Cheers Dickie (talk) 09:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is based on the equivalent article from the French Wikipedia, consulted on March 6th 2008.
 * Thanks! Edits made as you suggested- maybe I'll have a\ go at the Pays de Retz article over the weekend. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel (talk) 00:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Navigation templates
I saw a post above, but I don't know if any are created in English yet. I created one: Template:Ain communes. Any help would be appreciated --  jj137   (talk)  17:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All of them up to Crottet are done --  jj137   (talk)  03:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your work, but I do not see the benefit of such templates. I think they're redundant with existing lists and categories, and they're simply too big.
 * What about templates with less communes, limited to a smaller area? Korg (talk) 23:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think they can be effective for easier navigation. If there was a way to make them with a smaller area, that would be great.   jj137   (talk)  02:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Maybe by arrondissement? Markussep Talk 11:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I've just about completed a database on my PC of communes etc and will be able to generate these templates very quickly and then upload them. I'm happy for people to suggest the actual contents of each template. My thoughts initially were to create one template for each department showing all the communes, as above with Template:Ain communes. Creating one template for each arrondissement, say, would make them smaller, but a lot more numerous and possibly more time-consuming to maintain. Are they redundant? No, I don't think so. Being able to easily navigate directly from one commune to another (in the same department) is better than having to go via an intermediate list. Kiwipete (talk) 10:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have now completed the database of communes and created a few templates (Template:Côtes-d'Armor communes, Template:Creuse communes and Template:Dordogne communes) to see what they look like. I'd like some feedback on content etc before progressing further.  Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 10:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, I'm not quite there, yet. I still have to check for disambiguated commune names.  Meanwhile, User:Formerly the IP-Address 24.22.227.53 has been working on a format at Template:Vienne communes and I will base my work on that.  Kiwipete (talk) 03:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I have completed all navigation templates for communes in each department. I have chosen a simple list layout. My reason for this is that the purpose of the templates is to allow for easy navigation between articles with a common subject (in this case, the department they belong to). It has been pointed out on my talk page that some of these templates are rather large. I am happy to also create commune templates at the canton and arondissement levels. Kiwipete (talk) 02:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Number of communes
As we are getting very close to the 100% mark for the existing commune articles, I am still wondering what is the exact number of communes in France to date. The French and English Wikipedia articles do not agree on this point: 36 782 vs. 36,780. In any case, thanks to the article creators: you have done a great job! olivier (talk) 14:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The difference is in the 214 overseas communes in the French wiki and 212 in the English version - but which are the 2 new/extra ones ????? ;-) Dickie (talk) 19:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Assessment
There's two things we need to sort out. Adding the WikiProject French communes work group to the main france template so all of the articles can be tagged as part of the french communes group and creating some sort of register to assess which communes have got infoboxes. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦      $1,000,000? 11:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I have just made a basic manual for the infobox template, see Template:French commune/doc. IMO the minimum contents requirements for the infobox are department, arrondissement, canton, coordinates, map (if the right coordinates are given, the map is created by the infobox) and population. We can use the WikiProject French communes/Status page for progress, if everyone checks every department alphabetically, we could write "checked until Foissiat" in the last column of "Ain" for instance. The overseas communes require some extra attention, maybe from someone who likes to draw maps. If the population number is missing, and French wikipedia doesn't have it either: check INSEE! Markussep Talk 20:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You may also use this link to get the official population: 1999 census
 * Though the official pop. is the 1999 census, more recent results are there: < 10,000 ant there large towns — M-le-mot-dit (T) 22:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Communes (and more) of the Somme
The Somme is finished as far as I’m concerned. In the past 4 months or so, I’ve updated the 4-line stubs of 760 of the 782 communes, created all 46 cantons and all 31 communautés, (not to mention tweaking the 4 arrondissements) by grabbing stuff from the French articles, placing them on the map, on a road and sometimes a river, checking co-ords, finding recent demography etc etc. As examples, check out Tertry, Somme, Canton of Crécy-en-Ponthieu and Communauté de communes du Val de Noye. There’s been a natural progression of improvements along the way as I’ve heeded the advice of other members of the project. Some earlier commune pages may have to be revisited – but not by me – I’m of to the Pas-de-Calais ! Dickie (talk) 10:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 894 communes of the Pas de Calais completed by Nov 2008, all 745 communes of Seine-Maritime by Jan 2009. 2,420 in total (and not just infoboxes either ! )
 * Why did I choose 3 of the 4 biggest departments of France to do ???. The last one was Étoutteville, I think I'll give it all a rest for a while. Dickie (talk) 09:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

L'Abergement-Clémenciat
I recently left a note on the talk page of this article about the Italian wiki's good article on this commune. - Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 15:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Good article? The only thing it has more than the English stub article is a graph with historic population figures. Markussep Talk 16:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Better to copy the French one - and use quid.fr and some geog.location info! Dickie (talk) 17:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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How many left?
And/or/do we have a list of that? gren グレン 03:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the infoboxes? See WikiProject French communes/Status. Markussep Talk 08:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually meant articles to be created... but, from your reply I gather they all have been. That's good news :) gren グレン 10:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

LesCommunes.com
This website, http://www.lescommunes.com/index.en.html, has commune data in French, English, German, and Spanish. - Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 13:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Is this a suitably reliable source? I found it weird that it says this commune has 0 population and has always had 0... gren グレン 04:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The commune you referenced is actually part of the commune of Wissembourg. - Presidentman (talk) Random Picture of the Day 15:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Navigation templates revisited
Is anyone still working on these?  jj137  ( talk )  16:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about the templates for communes in each department? If so, they are done.  See, for example, Template:Ain communes.  I have also started adding them to the commune articles.  Kiwipete (talk) 08:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, yeah, I created that one. ;) But yes, that's what I meant, I wasn't sure how far people had gotten with creating them/adding them to articles.   jj137   ( talk )  00:06, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

STTWbot
Hi ! STTWbot does WP:FR tagging to France related talk pages. If needed it could do WP:FRCOM tagging, do let me know if help here is needed? --STTW (talk)  18:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Does/could your bot add this banner ?
 * If so, then for all communes, cantons and intercommunautés that are stubs, where no talk page exists, it would be very useful (it'll save me having to add it each time) Dickie (talk) 08:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

A note to everyone
WikiProject France tags should not be replaced with WP:FRCOM tags, as they are two separate projects and both tags should be on all commune pages. Just letting everyone know this.  jj137  ( talk )  23:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Templates updated
I updated the WP:FR template to now include a |commune=yes parameter, so as long as the change stays, the WP:FRCOM template is deprecated. (See the full explanation/conversation here.) Thanks.  jj137  ( talk )  20:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)