Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Furry/Archive 2

Request for comment: include "Furry Survey" as source?
There is a survey of the furry fandom called "Furry Survey" which is currently being discussed in Talk:Furry fandom. It has been determined that it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria as a reliable source, but we are discussing whether or not to use it anyway (with certain strict wording), invoking WP:IAR. If you could see the discussion and comment, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -kotra (talk) 23:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Ursa Major Awards
I was wanting to ask if the article on the Ursa Major Awards is a normal article of a list? ISD (talk) 14:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I still think it's an article with a list. If it were a list, the title would be "List of Ursa Major Awards", and there would still be an article at Ursa Major Awards. GreenReaper (talk) 23:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. I've now nominated the article for GA status. ISD (talk) 07:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Ursa Major Awards has been nominated for deletion. If you know of or can find some sources/references that are not primary and are not mainly furry or blogging sites, now would be a good time to add them. --mwalimu59 (talk) 14:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)


 * FYI, Ursa Major Awards has now been deleted. Out of curiosity I made a Google Scholar search and found this Czech E-zin that appears to summarise science fiction literature for 2007. I have accordingly updated List of webcomic awards using that Ezine as a cite. Also, Google news search returns three sources that, in my non-expert opinion, might be used for a paragraph about these awards in Anthropomorphism. -84user (talk) 14:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Rewards on Wikiproject Furry articles
To update the previous announcement: There's a total of $350 $300 left on the table - don't let it slip through your paws! GreenReaper (talk) 06:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Rewards are currently offered for bringing qualified articles within this WikiProject to the good or featured level.
 * Six good article rewards have been claimed, and four remain available. The featured article reward also remains.
 * Bunnies & Burrows is now officially a good article! (What the heck is this bounty thing anyway? Turlo Lomon (talk) 05:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Confirmed. This is something of a borderline case, and would probably not qualify for the featured article bounty, but I'm willing to allow it for the good article bounty as a) the artist was definitely a member of furry fandom, and b) the article is in a main section of furry fandom. On reviewing the history of the article, I can see there has been one major contributor and several minor but significant contributors. $5 will be offered to each of Webwarlock, Craw-daddy and Bilby, and $35 (plus any unclaimed funds) to Turlo Lomon. GreenReaper (talk) 09:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow - I was actually being kind of silly there. Um... could I pick a charity? Dumb Friend's League, animal shelter, or something equivalent? Turlo Lomon (talk) 14:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure - people actually do a similar thing for Wikimedia at the bounty board. Just pick out your preferred charity. GreenReaper (talk) 15:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Anything relating to animals is something I support - except for PETA. Even your local shelter would put a smile on my face. Turlo Lomon (talk) 16:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll give it to Rainbow Animal Assisted Therapy - they're the selected charity at Midwest FurFest this year. Chances are good that the convention will match the donation. GreenReaper (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Add my part of the bounty to the charity donation, please. Thanks!  --Craw-daddy &#124; T &#124; 14:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I checked out the website of that charity, GreenReaper, and that is the exact type I love to support. Excellent choice for FurFest to support (as well as anyone who loves animals). Turlo Lomon (talk) 17:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The funds were donated this weekend. Over $7500 was raised by furry fans, which was matched by the convention to make a $15,000 donation. GreenReaper (talk) 19:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Furry portal
I've started the furry portal, and I'm populating it with edited versions of our higher-quality articles (usually the lede text plus an image or two). Feel free to join in - just click the "more" links to get started. GreenReaper (talk) 07:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've created the "Did You Know?" section for the portal (something which I am used to doing on the comedy portal). If anyone knows of any more furry releated DYKs, let me know. ISD (talk) 07:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps some of the ones at WikiFur could be used if they pertain to "notable" topics. (Most do not - just goes to show how much Wikipedia leaves unsaid.) GreenReaper (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I've also added a list of comics to add to the "Selected comic" section. It is basically the four GA webcomics. ISD (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, we're kinda restricted by the number of high-quality articles. Don't think we should have anything less than B-class up there if at all possible. I've put up a request for assistance at the WikiFur LiveJournal. GreenReaper (talk) 21:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Category and footer box reorganization
I've created Category:Furry role-playing games and Category:Furry fandom people, primarily to try and reduce clutter in Category:Furry fandom. There's a few more things that could perhaps be split off into subcategories if there were more of them (e.g. Funday PawPet Show/Rapid T. Rabbit and Friends). I'm not entirely sure what to do with Furcadia and the MUCKs, which could in theory be classified as RPGs but are really a different kind of animal - "multiplayer online social spaces". I've also played with furry fandom to improve space usage. GreenReaper (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Furry comics template
I was wondering if Usagi Yojimbo should be added into the new furry comics template? ISD (talk) 07:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I would agree with this, because all of the characters appear to be anthropomorphic animals. As the TMNT episode mentions, it covers "an alternate earth where animals and not humans became the dominant species". I removed Sam & Max for the same reason. GreenReaper (talk) 07:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * Hmm. Well, this is interesting! Those stats are quite useful. Shows we need to look closer at articles like Usagi Yojimbo, Furcadia, Anthrocon and funny animal in the future - they're popular topics.
 * I'm thinking we might want to withdraw anthropomorphism, as it's really all over the place and nowhere near the quality that I'd expect in a "release" article. I'd like to add furry convention and fursuit, but they might be rejected over a lack of public interest. It would probably be best to concentrate our efforts on improving furry fandom before the final selection. What are your thoughts? GreenReaper (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed on concentrating on one article - it should have enough coverage of fursuits, etc to not need those entire articles. Bushytails (talk) 16:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I've asked, but we should proceed on the assumption that the request will be denied. On that note, furry fandom's GA review is about to fail. If anyone feels like addressing the issues raised before that happens . . . GreenReaper (talk) 22:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Where did you ask? Because I don't think SelectionBot's owner will be watching this page. -kotra (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I found it. -kotra (talk) 01:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like furry convention got in. I'm not sure if they selected a revision yet, but it couldn't hurt to improve that article as well. GreenReaper (talk) 10:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Wolfsbane
I know I'm missing something; but "Wolfsbane (comics)" should be added into the 'WikiProject Furry' database. Lots42 (talk) 08:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Is Wolfsbane directly related to the furry fandom? Just being a character that shapeshifts between human and wolf is not enough, in my opinion; it has to be either geared for furry fans or a large enough part of furry culture. In comparison, Werewolf doesn't fall under WP:FURRY's scope (though, contradictorily, Werecat is listed in WP:FURRY). -kotra (talk) 20:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not just between human and wolf, the character, AKA Rahne, can shift to any point in between the two. Half-human and half-wolf is pretty much a big part of the whole furry 'thing'. Lots42 (talk) 12:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Gah, this is a tough one. I think it is ultimately outside the project because Wolfsbane is really a human who can take the form of an animal, not an animal who has aspects of humanity. If we include this, we also have to include large numbers of fictonal lycanthropes, which have historically not been considered part of furry fandom but of therianthropy - notably, neither of these articles are within this project. It is a very fine hair to split, though. GreenReaper (talk) 17:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think this is an example of the difference between "anthropomorphic animal" and "zoomorphic human". Besides, this character is geared for mainstream comics fans (not furry fans), and as far as I know, she doesn't have a particularly strong following in the furry fandom. If we included everything somewhere in the continuum between animal and human, we would have to include obviously non-furry articles like Homo habilis or Sphinx. -kotra (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Newshounds GA review
The article for Newshounds is currently having a GA review. If the article is not improved soon, it will be delisted as a GA. ISD (talk) 11:48, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of furry conventions
Does anyone have time to help out with some of the issues raised here? The list is "good" but it still needs a fair bit of work on prose and formatting to reach "featured" level. GreenReaper (talk) 05:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The nomination failed, but we now have a much-improved list and some useful suggestions. GreenReaper (talk) 20:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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Laugh-Out-Loud Cats
An article covering a webcomic called Laugh-Out-Loud Cats has been made. However, I do not know it is meant to be furry or if it just uses anthropomorphic cats. Does anyone know? ISD (talk) 12:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There's a similar question for Dogs Playing Poker. GreenReaper (talk) 18:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I think that as you are head of this WikiProject, you should have the ultimate say. ISD (talk) 19:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure I could get away with that even at WikiFur. I think there are a few leaders here. :-)
 * It all comes back to what we want to cover. Is it necessary for a work to be intended for us? To have influenced our fandom? To be of interest to some fans? Or just for it to include anthropomorphic animals? There's no argument that both of these feature anthropomorphic animal characters, but then so do Animal Farm and Maus and we don't claim those, nor most cartoons that feature them in some way or another.
 * My personal feeling is these topics are better served by other groups of editors who have the interest and expertise to improve them. It's not that these articles aren't important, but we provide no real benefit to them. I've said a lot about this before. If others agree, it might be time to reduce our advertised project scope to disclaim such works. This would be a substantive change, but I believe it reflects the actual focus of this project. GreenReaper (talk) 22:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Raine Dog
Someone has made an article for the furry webcomic Raine Dog but it has been put up for deletion. ISD (talk) 08:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * As much as I'm usually an inclusionist, it doesn't seem ready to be its own article yet. Most of it could be merged into D. C. Simpson --Rat at WikiFur (talk) 09:08, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It probably should be. Maybe once it gets nominated for a Ursa Major Award it will be worthy. ISD (talk) 09:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Merged. GreenReaper (talk) 15:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Samuel Conway
I have nominated Samuel Conway for good article status. This article is almost entirely my own work, and as I believe it is very close to the GA standard, I do not intend to be giving out any bounties. I would, however, like to know if you think there are any barriers to making it A-class as well. Are any areas insufficiently covered, inside or out of the fandom? (See the general A-class criteria.) GreenReaper (talk) 07:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The article has now gained GA status, though not without a few changes owing to RP9's detailed review. I'd be glad to work on it further, but it would help to have some idea of what is missing or inadequately covered (other than the lack of a complete publication history) . Kage and I will both be at FCN in a fortnight; if we need to request he publish additional material for referencing, now's a good time to find out. GreenReaper (talk) 23:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Good topic
I've adjusted the project lede to reflect a narrower focus, and a larger long-term goal - to make furry fandom into a featured topic. This will not be an easy task and we are not likely to get there soon, but I think it's possible, and worth working towards.

As a stepping stone, what might furry fandom look like as a good topic? In practice, it might make sense for it to be split into two:

Is there anything missing? I'm thinking that most people, companies and publications of relevance can be covered within the history and list of comics, rather than a separate list. The history and convention areas obviously needs a lot of work - history doesn't exist, conventions aren't close to being GAs (all but AC are start-class) - but at least they have some chance of being verifiable. GreenReaper (talk) 18:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Furry comics and webcomics? Kevin and Kell, Ozy and Millie and Jack (webcomic) are all GAs, and Newshounds used to be one. I'm hoping to get Kevin and Kell up to FA. Also, there is the Ursa Major Awards which I plan to put for FL once this year's winners have been announced. ISD (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The issue with furry comics is that topics have to be comprehensive (you can't cherry-pick articles), and - except in unusual circumstances - every item of a good topic has to be a good article. I just don't see that happening with such an open-ended topic. That is why I think we should focus on making List of furry comics into a featured list, containing the most notable and verifiable details from each comic article. According to the overview criteria, we can then say "well, furry fandom is an overview topic - furry comics would be another whole subtopic." Obviously, to make the list featured, it will have to have a good deal of high-quality information, which will ideally come from good comic articles. GreenReaper (talk) 19:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * With the above in mind, I've added list of furry comics and list of furry role-playing games to the furry reward board entry. GreenReaper (talk) 19:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Scope
Hi peeps, a long time ago I wanted to ask about whether the project was interested in having its template added to certain video games (games = what I'm about), but was extremely unsure (and still am) about what qualified as a relevant article. At that time there seemed to be something of a scuffle about scope on the project's talk page, so I shied away from asking. The specific game I was going to ask about then was Skyrates, which at that time didn't have an article. Now, I just found the article by chance and noticed that a couple of weeks ago members here were actually putting the furry project's tag back after it was removed, which came as a surprise.

Could I ask:
 * Is this discussion welcome? I don't want open a can of worms.
 * If it is, is there an at least vague set of criteria I could use to decide whether an article is suitable for tagging?
 * Would it be OK to bring a few examples of varying relevance to see what's desirable?

Thanks. I'm really not wanting to cause problems, so if this is an unwanted discussion then please say so. Someoneanother 01:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Discussion is cool. I think there are several types of games to consider . ..
 * Games that have clearly influenced or are directly influenced by furry fandom (Furcadia, Inherit the Earth): Included.
 * Games that include anthropomorphic animal characters in a mature, developed environment (Skyrates): Debatable.
 * Games that merely include cartoon anthropomorphic animals, especially "kids games" (Reader Rabbit, Sonic the Hedgehog): Not sufficiently relevant.
 * As the discussion above suggests, over time this project has become more clearly defined around the fandom itself rather than the generic topic of anthropomorphic animals, and so the default would be to not include the ones in the middle. Frankly, stuff like Donald Duck doesn't need our help, but Rowrbrazzle does. So the question to ask is "can members of this project really add anything that the average Wikipedian could not?", and perhaps also "would we care that much if the article disappeared?"
 * As for Skyrates, the furry fandom template was actually removed without comment by an anonymous editor and then re-removed by them with the comment It should be removed. Please discuss it first if you'd like it to be added. - then we tried to, but they didn't show up. Personally I know one other person in the fandom who plays it, and obviously the characters are anthropomorphic animals, but as far as I know it's not really "a part" of the fandom in any meaningful sense. It's just a game some fans have been attracted to because of these characters. GreenReaper (talk) 02:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Going by the above, it's very unlikely that I'll find additional candidates, but if I do then they'll be brought here first. Cheers. Someoneanother 18:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * On the topic of this WikiProject's scope, there is a manga series called Free Collars Kingdom in which the main characters are anthropomorphic cats. I am not sure whether it falls under our WikiProject or just the anime/manga one. The article is currently a GAC. ISD (talk) 07:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My opinion, not sufficiently related, doesn't need our help. --Rat at WikiFur (talk) 07:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, just wanted to check. Cheers Rat. ISD (talk) 08:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Kyell Gold at DYK
Thanks to ISD's self-nom, the above article has been selected for WP:DYK? and is likely to be shown within the next day. If you see a way to improve the article, now would be a good time. Sofawolf Press might also be worth creating, as it is linked from Ironclaw and Samuel Conway as well as the above article. GreenReaper (talk) 19:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Refocussing on traffic
I'm not sure if anyone else actually uses importance, but I did a little re-rating last night, based mostly on the popularity statistics. I think 500 pageviews a month is a reasonable requirement for most articles of Mid importance (though I spared Rowrbrazzle), and 1500-2500 for High. Nothing comes close to furry fandom for traffic, of course, but some topics (including some people) appear to be fairly common search terms. GreenReaper (talk) 02:50, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

T.H.E. Fox
I was very disappointed to find that the T.H.E. Fox article was deleted. I think is presents one of the biggest problems with verifiability and notability with Wikipedia. That is how do you verify or assert the notability of something in a time before digital archives were kept and readily available, allowing for rather obscure information to be verifiable.

According to the bio in the GEnie Commodore File Library, T.H.E. Fox has been mentioned in RUN magazine,.INFO magazine and TC-128/64 Magazine. Also an editorial cartoon was put in The San Bernardino Sun, although I an not sure whether this was the actual T.H.E. Fox comic. I would think if archives of these magazines could be found that would be enough? Incidentally, the San Bernardino Sun only seems to have archives back to 1998, well after the cartoon was put in.

As far as whether it was the first Internet comic (or webcomic if you consider it a misnomer for any Internet comic). This is the best I could find.

I will try to track down these mentions in the various magazines and the editorial, any other info about the comic or help would be appreciated. RP9 (talk) 09:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It is unfortunate that this kind of thing is passed by on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, relatively few people seem to have known of it at the time it was published, and it's not had enough attention to be a topic of historical study. You're welcome to expand WikiFur's version until sufficient sources are found. If you want a copy of the images converted to a more modern format, see the links there. I had planned to write more myself at the time the Wikipedia article was deleted, but my browser crashed. :-/ GreenReaper (talk) 19:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you think the mentions in these magazines if verifiable would be enough to pass notability? It seems they were popular and in wide circulation at the time. Also is the source I linked useful? RP9 (talk) 10:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The trouble is the bio itself is not necessarily a reliable source. The sources it suggests exists probably would be (it would be "republication in a notable work") but we would need to know enough to give a proper reference for it. Oddly it was not mentioned in this interview. The other source linked . . . I honestly don't know. But it's a lot better than nothing, and provides a source other than Wikipedia. GreenReaper (talk) 17:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * RUN magazine and .INFO magazine seem to be archived in *gasp* physical libraries, but I can not find anything on TC-128/64. Of course going to a library and searching through hundreds of pages of old computer magazines might make one seem up to no good. RP9 (talk) 18:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I managed to get my hands on digitally scanned copies of both .info and RUN. (I am calling Fair Use on this one) I do not think there is any hope for TC-128/64, that and I am tired of searching for it. Because these are scanned I am not afforded the luxury of full text search. So, manually searching through 143 issues it is! (49 for .info and 94 for RUN) I will see what I can find tomorrow I suppose. RP9 (talk) 03:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nice work! Maybe there is some free OCR software that would help? Although I guess it probably wouldn't do much for comics. GreenReaper (talk) 06:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I tried 6 different OCR programs with no luck. None of them seem accurate enough to be helpful. So far I have gone through 47 issues and still looking. RP9 (talk) 18:22, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ha! I found the first one! (The RUN one) It is part of an article called Pixel Perfection reviewing various popular "computer artists" at the time. I love the way it starts out "QuantumLink fans are also sure to recognize Joe Ekaitis's work." ...and they said it wasn't notable. It then goes on to say "Ekaitis is best known for his cartoons featuring The Fox." This took a lot longer than I thought it would plus I've been out for a bit so I did not get around to .info yet. I will try to see if I can find it now. RP9 (talk) 00:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Found the one in .info finally. It is part of a column called Public Domain mentioning uploads of interest on Quantumlink, American Peoplelink, and other similar services. Here is a part of it: "Each week Joe creates a single comic using a combination of computer drawing programs. The BEST OF FOX file contains 10 of Joe's best, along with the dkslide viewer program."

Although it uses Java (witch I don't have), you can go here to see the RUN one. (Remember to skip to the next page to see the rest of the description of the article.) RP9 (talk) 21:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Draft
I have created a draft here to look over any considerations before starting a deletion review. Everyone is welcome to edit it and please leave any input on the talk page there. RP9 (talk) 03:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The modified draft has been published, and I have submitted it to Did you know?. GreenReaper (talk) 01:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * After a little back and forth, the DYK submission has been queued and will be published tomorrow morning. GreenReaper (talk) 17:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yayyy! I feel accomplished now. :-) All I need to do now is get T.H.E. Fox listed in Guinness World Records. RP9 (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK
Because I was curious (and bored), I decided to investigate the impact that the DYK had. Surprisingly, it got over 2000 views. But perhaps more interestingly, it got the most traffic, being nearly twice as high as the second highest hook.

Looking at hooks for other times does not seem to indicate that placement has any substantial effect. However, T.H.E. Fox article unlike with the other hooks, had a considerable traffic spike beforehand, in fact right after I created it. But, that was probably GreenReaper's fault. :P

Despite what you may expect, the late morning (in the US), which is when T.H.E. Fox was up, actually had the most DYK hits over all the hooks for each time.

This distribution is not at all consistent with the 30th where the late night (or the very early morning of the 30th) is the highest, the morning is the lowest and the rest is evenly spread throughout the rest of the day. However the previous Friday (the 24th) is roughly consistent, suggesting that is a pattern specific to Fridays.

This all makes me wonder why T.H.E. Fox in particular, was so popular among the DYKs? Although, out of around 2300 people, nobody edited the article. Maybe this just means no one knows what T.H.E. Fox is and thus would have nothing to contribute. Of course, that would also mean they would have learned something new. That I suppose is a good thing. RP9 (talk) 22:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting statistics! Bear in mind that I did pimp the DYK entry on the WikiFur LiveJournal - but still, that should only be a few hundred visitors, unless they told anyone. Maybe people just like comics? GreenReaper (talk) 01:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Fur-Piled
A recently created article about the webcomic strip Fur-Piled is currently up for deletion. Please share your views on whether it should stay or go on the website. ISD (talk) 08:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Furry lifestyler
An anon recreated furry lifestyler, which was merged into furry fandom back in 2007. Think we have enough material to make a solid separate article? GreenReaper (talk) 04:26, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

The Suburban Jungle
The Suburban Jungle has been nominated for deletion. ISD (talk) 14:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling this was going to happen. But hey, if they want to throw away perfectly good character and plot summaries, I know somewhere they'd be welcome. GreenReaper (talk) 08:23, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thomas K. Dye deletion
The article for Thomas K. Dye is up for deletion. ISD (talk) 07:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Many are. See here. GreenReaper (talk) 09:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There is further discussion of this topic at the nominator's talk page. GreenReaper (talk) 15:18, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

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monofur deletion
The article for monofur is up for deletion.GJo (talk) 19:34, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As is Rainfurrest, which was recently created. GreenReaper (talk) 22:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Zoo Code deletion discussion
See Articles_for_deletion/Zoo_Code --Enric Naval (talk) 20:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Better Days
I started a new article on the webcomic Better Days. I intend to work on it some more when I have the time, but I am very busy. Could someone who is more knowledgeable than me about this comic and its author do some work on the article? (Sugar Bear (talk) 21:25, 19 March 2010 (UTC))
 * The article has almost 200 deleted revisions. See Articles for deletion/Better Days (webcomic) Raul654 (talk) 21:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps those who can see such revisions could tell us whether the current article is any better than the one which was deleted. :-)
 * Sugar Bear has done a good job starting this, but I'm still not convinced by the references available. About the only thing there that is remotely qualified as a reliable source is the Webcomic Overlook, and that:
 * is a blog
 * spent quarter of the article complaining about furry fandom (the Wikipedia article)
 * gave the comic 1 out of 5
 * The strip is worth talking about (TVTropes does so in excruciating detail), but I don't think a good article can be constructed within Wikipedia's requirements. GreenReaper (talk) 05:40, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think the most significant thing about my take on the comic is that I found sources identifying the website as being highly-visited and much-subscribed, which should assert notability better than previous unsourced attempts. Will continue to work on this article. (Sugar Bear (talk) 19:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC))

Here is the text of the article at the time it was deleted. Raul654 (talk) 15:45, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Raul. GreenReaper (talk) 18:58, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Furry fandom book
Hi folks (furry or not) &mdash; I went ahead and started a book on furry fandom. Check it out and improve it here; I posted a few ideas on its talk page, too. :) -- Schneelocke (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this is a neat idea; even if nobody buys one, it highlights the gaps in our coverage. GreenReaper (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Twokinds, Freefall and Ozy and Millie at AfD
Twokinds is up for deletion. GreenReaper (talk) 23:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * . . . as is Freefall. GreenReaper (talk) 05:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * . . . and Ozy and Millie (I think a certain otter is biting off more than they can chew there). GreenReaper (talk) 05:46, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * . . . and The Adventures of Captain Jack. GreenReaper (talk) 17:45, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * . . . and El Goonish Shive. GreenReaper (talk) 00:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * . . . and Jack. GreenReaper (talk) 04:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Omaha the Cat Dancer
Can anyone expand the Overview and Plot sections and clean up the Characters section? So far, only the first three issues of the comic book is discussed. For an example of how the article should be structured, see Krazy Kat, which is a featured comics article. (Sugar Bear (talk) 22:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC))

Userbox
If anyone would like to use it, here you go. (Credit for it goes to Exsiiron.)

Silver seren C 21:46, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


 * There is already this one:

mwalimu59 (talk) 01:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know. But I didn't like the bright colors, so... Silver  seren C 01:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Popular pages
I saw WikiProject Video games/Popular pages and I figured this information might be useful (or at least interesting) for WikiProject Furry, so I put in a request for our own version, to run monthly. Traffic is not the only criteria for importance, but the Version 1.0 bot data was very useful for this purpose. GreenReaper (talk) 00:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Lackadaisy
FYI, the Lackadaisy article is undergoing a deletion discussion. --Elonka 17:18, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Furry articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the Furry articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (&diams;) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as One Laptop per Child and Wikipedia for Schools to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with your WikiProject's feedback!

For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 23:02, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The situation here is basically the same as last time, and my response was the same. As always, the list of all articles makes for interesting reading. GreenReaper (talk) 22:15, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Pageview stats
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Furry to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at WikiProject Furry/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 01:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Lackadaisy's gone again
I swear, it seems like there's some campaign going on or something. Anyways, what do you think, should we take this AfD to Deletion Review? It seems a bit thin to me to have been an outright delete. And, question, but is there some sort of rule about the same nominator renominating an article that was kept in the previous discussion? Just wondering. Silver seren C 09:35, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The Mouse Problem
For those interest an article about The Mouse Problem sketch from Monty Python's Flying Circus has just been created and makes reference to the furry fandom. ISD (talk) 15:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

"Mongrels" for GA
In case anyone is interested I have just nominated the article for Mongrels for GA. If anyone here wants to review it please do. ISD (talk) 09:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Mongrels has been promoted to GA. ISD (talk) 10:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Congrats! GreenReaper (talk) 19:48, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Faux Pas AfD
Faux Pas is up for deletion. Not sure what to say here, since the general feeling appears to be that the Ursa Major is insufficient to gauge notability. GreenReaper (talk) 03:33, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Shanda the Panda
Got deleted some time back, but here at least is one source:

Rich Farmbrough, 17:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC).

Proposed deletion of Gallery (APA/'zine)


The article Gallery (APA/'zine) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Not notable, no sources found.

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 * This was proposed for deletion by User:TenPoundHammer. I intend to merge its contents into the WikiFur article as I could not find third-party sources to justify its presence here, despite its longevity, but if anyone else wants to give it a go . . . GreenReaper (talk) 06:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of APA/'zine


The article APA/'zine has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Unreferenced neologism not in general use even within its fandom

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 * Added by me; even if the above survived, this term can't justify an article of its own - it is merely the combination of two terms, and was never widely used. GreenReaper (talk) 06:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

AfD: List of furry conventions
List of furry conventions has been proposed for deletion. GreenReaper (talk) 23:33, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

User:TenPoundHammer and Furry Webcomic Deletions
This user has already managed to get both Last Res0rt and The Whiteboard deleted in the past week, and is now trying to get Jack (webcomic) deleted in spite of it being a GA, AGAIN, due to claims that WCCA and Ursa Major Awards provide no notability whatsoever. ANY help I could get in Jack's AfD would be appreciated, and maybe some deletion reviews while we're at it. Veled (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * In addition, this user just replaced David Hopkins (comics) with a redirect to the article he seeks to delete, without merging any content into the article. GreenReaper (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Endtown has also been nominated for deletion. Jeck barely survived its nomination and its good article status is being reassessed (which is fair enough; it is easy to quibble over what is good enoguh). GreenReaper (talk) 00:20, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Furry emblem RfC
hello. Green Reaper advised me to mention the ongoing RfC about the emblem used on this wikiproject, which is identical to the wikifur logo, and promotes wikifur imo. wikipedia is supposed to be neutral and not promotional and denying that this logo plastered all over one of the most visited sites in the world promotes wikifur is to deny reality. since GR owns/runs wikifur, this will also be brought up at WP:COI per Conti. the ongoing RfC is here. -badmachine 16:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

No list of furry books?
Can it be that despite there being tons of book-lists here on Wikipedia, there is actually none about novels featuring anthropomorphic animals? Did I miss it, or is it indeed missing? Or has there been one and did not survive an AfD? Just asking, because if it is not and has never been, I may take the task upon myself to cast it into existence. (Lord Gøn (talk) 23:05, 15 September 2012 (UTC))
 * As far as I know, we've never had one. Bear in mind that calling a book like Watership Down "furry" just because it features anthropomorphic animals is original research; it is only in the last few years that furry publishers (and some non-furry ones) have been using the term. There is Category:Literature featuring anthropomorphic characters. GreenReaper (talk) 06:38, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe I should note that I am using the term "furry" pretty loosely here, in the sense of a shorter synonym of "anthropomorphic animal", which is rather tedious to write out due to its length. Anyway, I don't intend to use the word "furry" in the list at all, so I may have a good chance to circumvent any issues concerning OR. The category mentioned is certainly helpful, albeit incomplete, and much broader in its scope, so in all probability I will go ahead with the project (ok, you may call that a lie, since I am already going ahead with it, thinking that the lack of such a list is an informational hole rivaling the extent of Ginnungagap). (Lord Gøn (talk) 13:46, 16 September 2012 (UTC))

Last Res0rt back, 2nd AfD ongoing
Last Res0rt has been restored after the nominator found another source, and immediately renominated for deletion. Anyone able to help out with improving the article, or know of any more sources? GreenReaper (talk) 23:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC
 * Those interested in suitable levels of can-kicking can go to the DRV for Last Res0rt (it was speedy deleted, DESPITE the second AfD being ongoing) and pitch in. For the record, I recognize that new sources have not materialized, but I would rather it be put in the Article Incubator, where it continue to be edited by WikiProject Furry while I try to go, ah... "find" a few new sources. The only major interview that's occured since the article's previous deletion is this podcast, which may be useful but I suspect falls far below the standards of "notable" sources for the purposes of defense against an AfD. Veled (talk) 15:10, 16 January 2013 (UTC)