Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gambling/Archive 1

Project existence and discussion
While discussion about individual articles is appropriate on the talk pages of those articles, sometimes multiple articles are involved or what is done on one article has style and consistency ramifications on others. This talk page can act as similar to the WikiProject Poker talk page where these sort of general style issues can be discussed. Most of the gambling articles deal with poker, so please use the Poker project talk page when that is more appropriate. The Gambling Project is intended to merely expand the great work already done in the poker area to the rest of the gambling articles of the Wikipedia. 2005 01:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Great idea, setting this up, 2005. I'm excited that we have a place to look at the "bigger picture".Rray 02:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Template for discussion pages
Now that it has been freed up, I created a project template, WikiProject Gambling, that can be added to all the gambling articles talk pages. I would suggest that it NOT be added to all the Poker articles, since those already have the Poker Project template, and all discussion about them would be more appropriately handled within the Poker Project. (I just used the graphic and text from the Poker project template, so maybe there could be a better graphic that someone more creative could make someday.) 2005 03:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Taking Gambling from a game to a business
There are a number of people over the years that have decided to take the games of chance offered by the casinos and attempt to make money from them rather than just play them for fun and the 'chance' to win. What is it that defines the change? What is it that makes it a business? What is going on in the mind of the person that makes this move? This is the question! -- User:Kendaniel

Possible tasks
I just wanted to throw out some ideas of some tasks that might be added to the tasks section of the project. Looking for feedback before actually adding them to the project page itself.


 * A series of articles describing each blackjack card counting system. (See Card counting.)
 * A series of articles describing each different video poker game. (See List of video poker games).
 * Expanding the list of articles about gambling websites to include the ones that aren't currently included.
 * A series of articles about the different slot machine games available from various manufacturers.

Looking forward to others' input. Rray 03:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * ALSO - I was thinking about a few other ideas - wanted to get some feedback from the rest of you.
 * I saw on this project that there was the Poker section. Isn't that already broken up into subsections? According to the variations in the poker article, it already lists Texas Hold-em, Omaha, as well as stud and draw.
 * Casinos: What about defunct casinos? There are probably hundreds of defunct casinos (shut down) that there is a lot of history that could be reported on/written about. In some articles there are brief references of this, but not a lot of actual articles on defunct casinos. If this sounds like a good idea - or someone has a strong objection to starting some stubs on this, please let me know. The reason why I thought of this, was in the article called List of casinos in Nevada - I was interested in working on creating new stubs for a few of those defunct West Wendover, Nevada casinos.Zul32 (talk) 14:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There is a much larger, more active Wikipedia poker project that you can feel free to join. That project covers all things poker.  This project covers the rest of the gambling articles in the Wikipedia.  As for defunct casino, we do have a category for those Defunct casinos.  So, other articles can be added of a similar nature, again as along as they cover a notable/verifiable casino business (and of course are not already covered by another article). Good luck editing. 2005 (talk) 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll certainly think about that poker project. The nice thing about creating articles about defunct casinos is that it's not "advertising" for them since obviously they are shut down. Where as I once tried to create an article for a casino located in San Juan, and it was immediately targeted for deletion because one of the editors thought that it was just advertising for the resort. I just got my first full article; ok, well it's a stub published A-1_Club and will be wroking on more defunct casinos located in West Wendover, Nevada as time permits. Check it out, and if anyone has additional input/content please feel free to contribute!Zul32 (talk) 19:28, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Inappropriate renaming
A proposal to stranglely rename the Category:Gaming companies has been made here. While it is obviously not well-conceived, please add your comments. 2005 23:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Some basic cleanup
I think the project needs to look into some basic cleanup. The lead article of gambling lacks references and appears to include incorrect characterization of industry related terms. We probably also need to split some of that article out to another article or add a section on the gaming industry which is what drives legal (and maybe the illegal business as well). Finally we need to look at the categories. Does anyone understand the purpose of Category:Gambling variants? This looks like a very badly named category. Even after reading the intro I don't understand. I think it is intended for types of games you can use to gamble, but I'm not sure. Vegaswikian 06:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I used Gambling variants because gambling games seemed redundant category-wise, and because nitpickers might say dead pool and lotteries were not "games". I'd be happy to rename it "Gambling games".  I find it hard to believe you can't understand the purpose though since it states it plainly, its for individual gambling games. The only issue I see about categorization is whether gambling regulation should be a subcat of gambling and society, but since it is more law than society I think it is better where it is.
 * I have it in my list of things to do to reference the gambling article, and a couple others, but I just haven't done it yet.
 * A gaming industry article definitely is a needed good idea. I've put that on my list of things now too, but I'd welcome it if you took a stab at writing one. To anticipate the pitchfork crowd though, what about a title... "Gaming_industry_(gambling)" or "Gaming_(gambling)_industry" or... 2005 08:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Gambling variants is a hard read Category:Gambling games makes more sense but is not without problems. Maybe Category:Gaming types or Category:Types of gaming could work. One solution for some of these would be to have a category for devices.  That could include slot machines and dice and a few other items.  Something like v with a subcat of Category:Gaming machines. I would like to see Category:Gambling regulation renamed to Category:Gaming regulation since this is generally about the legal oversight of the establishments and not really about gambling itself.  We really need to clear up what is labeled as gaming v gambling. Vegaswikian 09:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * We do have to anticpate the pitchfork crowd, but also have not be be clearly unclear... "types of gaming" is not right if you don't know it is purely a subcategory of gambling. Likewise "gaming types". Categories have to be able to stand on their own, and of course not get off-topic stuff put in them.  Gaming regulation would seem the only one that could stand on its own, most all others would need a (gambling) dab to make the category specific.  Things can be in more than one subcategory, so setting up another category (with subcategories) for devices would make sense, but that wouldn't impact how dice games would also be in a games subcategory. 2005 00:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, let me make a starting proposal. Rename Category:Gambling regulation to Category:Gaming regulation. This could be considered by some to be confusing, but the other types of games are not regulated.  If this is anticipated to be a problem we can use Category:Gaming regulation (casino) which is probably a better dab since the regulations usually apply to some type of casino, card room or sports book. Create Category:Gaming devices and Category:Gaming machines again dab with (casino) if we feel that is necessary.  Finally move Category:Gambling variants into Category:Casino games, I think this one works, but I really need to hear from you if this would work.  I guess if there are no objections, you can implement the suggestions that you support. Vegaswikian 00:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not the last one, because dead pool, lotteries and others are not casino games, and of course poker can be played in someone's house. Why not "gambling games"?  It may not be perfect, but it coveres everything and is clear enough. Also what is the distiction between "devices" and "machines"?  Why two categories?  I'm not saying I oppose that, only that I don't see a distinction... I'd just use the more broard term (devices I assume) and go with that. 2005 01:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not happy with Category:gambling games, but it is probably the best choice so far. As to your second question, dice are a device, a big wheel is a machine or a device, slots are machines.  But as I write this reply I could see how using only device might be a better choice for now.  Especially since two categories would be rather empty and device can really include both. Vegaswikian 02:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Going for a rename to gambling games and a new gambling devices works fine for me. 2005 07:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Gaming devices since the devices don't gamble. Vegaswikian 07:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

basic cleanup - part 2
Looks like the first set of category changes has been started. Given the discussions about naming in this area, I think the project really needs to define the terms used and the areas covered. Many individuals consider gaming and gambling as one in the same. Hence constructs like Category:Gambling companies which is not really desirable since this does not cover companies that gamble.

We really need to define the project scope more clearly. Most people look at the name and think casinos and stuff like that. However it appears to cover the companies working in this area, the players, the types of games, lotteries, games played in non-regulated environments and probably a few others. I don't think that the project name needs to change. But some work needs to be done to clearly define the scope and to use the same terminology across the various articles. As a example, the main article is gambling which is basically the act. It does not really imply the businesses or the devices that are a part of the process which are not really covered anywhere.

What needs to be done with the lead article, gambling? Should it be split? Should it be expanded to include the companies and casinos? Should it cover gaming devices? Why does it cover Parimutuel betting in detail when there is already an article? Should it be a brief overview with a series of articles on the various aspects that are terms used in other articles? Vegaswikian 01:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I only have a minute now, but we should organize things sensibly, regardless of obtuse edits by others. Gaming companies provide gambling games to the public.  While the main gambling article in not good (it should most be just an idex page to other articles), the parimutuel example being obvious, we need to just build up the gaming aspect... if only so nonsense categories don't get made.  The first question I see is whether we should depopulate the inapproriately named category, and create one that is appropriate.  Besides that, "gaming" being subcategorized under gambling is okay because it can be subcategorized elsewhere.  We need to keep it clear that a gaming company isn't required for gambling (people can literally bet each other), and a company doesn't need to particpate in gambling to be in the business of gaming. Gaming and gambling are not the same, but they do overlap, so we shouldn't be shy that they do, while also we need to be sure that they are not used as synonyms. 2005 02:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, we need to 'organize things sensibly'. We should not jump to depopulate categories until there is a clear picture of how this part of the encyclopedia is to be dealt with.  The Category:Gambling variants case was one where the creator agreed that this should be changed.  However it does show that we are addressing the problems with the structure. I think working on the main article(s) and adjusting the category structure should come first. Then with a better picture we can move to rename if needed for any categories, but first create any new ones needed.  I think the rewrites will take a while as will the adjusting of the categories.  After I created Category:Gaming devices I discovered there there were quite a few missing so I did have to find articles to add to the category. I suspect that more are hiding out there.  Again doing this work will take time. As to the company issue. We probably need to decide if this could be better organized.  Does it make sense to put casino operators in the same category as slot manufactures?  Would it be better to have these as sub cats?  Again, this goes back to 'organize things sensibly' after discussion and planning, and then act.  Vegaswikian 07:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I've redone and de-crufted the main gambling article so that it is ordered logically and links to the main articles on the subtopics rather than just sort randomly expound on some but not others. I also made a paragraph distinction between gaming and gambling that should make things a bit clearer and allow some parallel structuring to be done in the future. (The one thing I left that is a bit odd is the associated word usage section although it strikes me as mega-trivia.) 2005 00:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks better. I did some minor word changes to continue the work. Is this article suppose to use British or American English?  My spell checker is picking on some British words. Don't know if they should be changed. Vegaswikian 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * We probably need to address wagering/staking/wagers at some point. It should be clear how these interrelate. I sometimes think that this article should be titled wagering.  Wager does show up a lot in the article text and in many of the articles. Vegaswikian 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Since this article isn't geo-local I suppose we are going to have a mix of US/UK phrasing, especially since casinos are more prevalent in the US and bokmakers more common in the UK. I suppose a few sentences clarifying many of these terms like bets, wagers, staking, bettors, punters all mean basically the same thing would be a good idea.  However the scope of the article is beyond just wagering, as in some of things the wager is the end (a sports bet) while in the others the wagers are merely pieces of a bigger thing (poker games). Also wagers don't have to have monetary gambling, like two mayors wagering on the Super Bowl victor, or the list of wagers thing I spun to its own article. 2005 04:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Redirects to the Gambling article
If you look at the redirects to Gambling, many with a number of links, they are not really addressed in the article and clearly lack bolded links early in the article. This list is:


 * Betting
 * Gambler and Gamblers
 * Gambling system (without any redirects but one that probably needs to point somewhere else)
 * Christian views of gambling (which probably needs to be deleted) (on RfD).
 * Bettor
 * Gamble
 * Gambeling
 * Bets
 * Wagering
 * Economic and social impacts of gambling
 * Even money

We need to keep these in mind while we decide how to restructure. The more digging, the more problems we seem to find. Vegaswikian 07:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair use template
Back in December I proposed a merger for three fair use templates, Template:Game-cover, Template:Boardgamecover, and Template:RPG-artwork. I made an effort to publicise the merge on the villiage pump and various places that deal with fair use templates. After a lot of support on tfd and a lack of opposition elsewhere I attempted the merge on January 15. Post-merge I've had two objections, one of which said that I "should have brought up the merge with the various projects that manage those covers" (which I thought I was doing when I informed WikiProject Fair use). The merge has been reverted by the person who said I should have brought up the merge in more places. So here we go... IF ANYONE FROM THIS PROJECT CARES ABOUT THIS MERGE PLEASE VISIT Template_talk:Game-cover AND JOIN IN DISCUSSION THERE. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk problem solving 20:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article Review for Blackjack
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What does "slot machine" exactly mean
Does a slot machine mean (1) any coin-operated gambling machine or (2) the specific type of a gambling machine where there are rotating reels and the winnings are paid according to matching symbols (that is, a fruit machine)? In particular, is it correct to categorize payazzo and pachinko in the "slot machines" category? At least the Slot Machine article names video poker as a type of a slot machine.86.115.21.76 11:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Notability criteria for a poker and blackjack player
Please see Articles for deletion/Monica Reeves. The issue is whether the article meets the criteria of WP:BIO. Monica Reeves is a poker player with a few decent tournament results but nothing outstanding. She also made the final table of a televised blackjack tournament (see Elimination Blackjack). --Mathew5000 00:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Question
Is this project still active? There seem to only be one editor active. Kariteh 08:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Scroll up. 2005 09:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "7 April 2007". Thanks. I take it the project is inactive (the project, not your individual contributions). Kariteh 10:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Casino
Can anyone see why Infobox Casino does not work for Cache Creek Casino Resort? Vegaswikian 05:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I just found the coding problem in the template. Vegaswikian 05:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Dice control article
I've asked an admin I know to weigh in also, but a new user insists on adding material to the Dice control article that isn't supported by the sources he's citing. {I don't think the information is even accurate, much less verifiable.) I'd appreciate it if some other editors interested in gambling articles here could weigh in at the talk page there. Rray 05:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Casino bonuses and Bonus hunting
I'm not convinced that we need or should have two separate articles on this subject. It seems to me like there is not a whole to say about Bonus hunting that couldn't and/or shouldn't be added to the Casino bonuses article. I'd be interested in others' thoughts about this though. Rray (talk) 20:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In fact, it occurs to me that Comps (casino) is basically on the same topic as the other two articles. Maybe combining all of these articles into a single Gambling incentives article would make more sense? Rray (talk) 03:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The comps article should stay since it is the primary term used. However that article needs a lot of work.  Bonus hunting probably fails WP:V and WP:RS. I'm not sure about casino bonuses, but it may have the same problems.  Since these two article are specifically about online casinos, maybe they should be combined or if there is not sufficient material after cleaning up to meet WP:V and WP:RS combined into the article on online casinos.  Vegaswikian (talk) 07:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Online casino is further redundancy. How about if we have a final goal of 1) making sure we keep Comps (casino), then 2) try merging all content from Bonus hunting and casino bonuses to Online casino with a slight rename of the section to "Bonuses and incentives".  if that section becomes too long, we could spilt it out to its own article, "Online gambling incentives" which would interlink with Comps (casino).  The Comps article should get a section saying "Online comps" which would be a one line link to either the online casino article section or the new article whichever it ends up being. 2005 (talk) 08:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I think bonus hunting and casino bonuses should be a separate single article, and online casinos should be a separate article. That article is a clusterfuck right now. GusChiggins21 (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If Casino bonuses is going to be recreated, it would need a new name since it was only about online casinos. Why not defer a decision on that and work on cleaning up Online casino? Vegaswikian (talk) 23:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. GusChiggins21 (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you think they should be separate articles, you should present your reasoning for that here, since the consensus was to merge the articles. Saying that the article about online casinos is a "clusterfuck" probably isn't reason enough to generate individual articles for the separate subjects. The main thing to keep in mind is that you have to demonstrate notability with references to reliable souces to include articles on these topics, and even then, if it's a content fork, it might still be more appropriate to include it within the main article. Rray (talk) 22:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think they should be separate articles because bonus whoring is a very particular subject. Few people who would be reading about online casinos would want an extremely detailed analysis of how to beat games by analyzing which games have low house advantages, calculating the EV with wagering requirements, how to amortize a sticky bonus and how using a sticky strategy on cashables to maximize EV, but the effect that this has on risk of ruin and.... all of that stuff is great for an article on bonus whoring, but not a general article on casinos. And poker bonuses simply don't belong in the online casino article. I think that the online casino article should focus on games offered, how to transfer money, maybe ethical problems, problems with blacklisted casinos, watchdogs (even though there aren't really any watchdogs), etc. GusChiggins21 (talk) 07:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * First, the situation we had was not good -- discussing bonuses in one place, and the practice of benefiting from bonuses in another. Now it is at least better tha they are together.  Perhaps that whole section should be taken out and made a separate article.  That would seem okay, but I'd suggest we tighten that section, and source the various "citation needed" things, and get that text stable for a couple days, then we could discuss whether to break it out and leave a "main article: bonus...." something to be decided ("Online casino bonuses" could cover both the existence of them and the hunting aspects.)  I did a bunch of sourcing and removing redundant parts earlier, but some more needs to be done.  So, I think now that it is together let's get it in good shape, then discuss whether to move it and if to move it what to name it. (I'll move the poker section in a minute with a pointer to the online poker article, and a pointer from there back to the casino bonus section.) 2005 (talk) 08:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The bonuses section of the online casinos article is a bit clustered, but the solution is not to move cluster elsewhere. That section should just be edited down and made consistent.  Bonuses and profiting from them is not the most important topic in the world, and we shouldn't get bogged down into too much detail about it.  We should just say online casinos offer these bonuses, and that while they are casino incentives, smart players can turn a profit from them. 2005 (talk) 00:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think the bonus section is bad, I just think it's too far off the main topic. GusChiggins21 (talk) 07:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Category:Gambling companies
There is a nomination to get Category:Gambling companies renamed to something closer to the normally used gaming companies. Participate if interested. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggested Category:Gaming companies (gambling) over "wagering" because the Luddite element that simply refuses to accept the societal norm should be more comfortable with it. It would be very good to get the current title changed since it is almost embarrasing to be associated with the Wikipedia when it does soemthing like this (without a clear consensus last time too). 2005 (talk) 09:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Are there any more opinions for or against? If there is support here I'd like to move forward with a proposed rename. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Casino stubs
Currently there are about 55 stubs in Category:Casino stubs. I think it would be nice to have some kind of an effort to reduce this number to improve the overall quality of casino related articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposal for new section: Gambling :: Simulation Software
In looking to post information about the Craps Simulation Software my company produces, I find no appropriate section for that. I do understand about Wikipedia not wanting to be an advertising list and want to abide by that idea. In my mind people looking in this section might have interest in a wide range of computer software for practicing or playing their favorite game at home. I believe such a list of Simulation Software would benefit both consumers and software producers.

Request For Comments Mycrapsgame (talk) 23:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well for starters, you probably need to read WP:COI. Basically you should be avoiding articles about your company.  Vegaswikian (talk) 00:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposing a new Section that benefits both both consumers and software producers is good information, not Conflict of Interest. Mycrapsgame (talk) 15:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a conflict of interest to add information to benefit a product your company sells. Proposing something is fine.  However, this is an encyclopedia, not a consumer product guide.  Even if we say simulation software exists, we aren't here to list the different brands or products. 2005 (talk) 22:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The hypocracy of this argument is that no mention of any company with a product or service should be listed. That's not good information,its just the arrogance of the self appointed editors. We see a "Category:Gambling companies" section as evidence of this hypocracy. Mycrapsgame (talk) 15:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you read WP:COI and how it advises you to avoid editing certain articles? If a sourced section on this topic appeared, from an editor with no conflict then it would probably be acceptable.  However I would ask, would this be better in an article on simulation software with a link from here? Vegaswikian (talk) 17:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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Can I be of some assistance?
Found the project when trying to clean up a betting article, '2005' reorganised it for me & added the wikiproject bit to the discussion page. Have worked in the industry in Britain in the past, so know a bit about a few of the companies & most of the terms etc, i am fairly keen & my wiki knowledge is gradually growing now I've bothered to register. let me know, cheers Stephenjwz (talk) 00:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of the articles more totally Brit-focused could use some help for sure. There do seem to be several overlapping Tote articles that I personally can can't see why they are different. 2005 (talk) 03:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've started to have a bash at the tote's article, lots of 'facts' in there so it'll take a while to sift through what can be cited/kept. I'll chip away at it and the other couple of pages I've added to. Cheers Stephenjwz (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Matt signing in, just thought I'd give a quick intro. I'm originally from the UK but currently living in the US. I have a keen interest in sports betting, particularly horse racing, have good knowledge of the bookmaker/bet exchange industry, and fancy myself a decent poker player. I'll be chipping away at some of the pages that need improvement or some extra meat added to them...I hope others can find time to do the same! Mandermagic (talk) 08:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the project is small and some of have many interests, so any help is good. One point I'll make.  Please add plenty of citations.  These will be needed for the articles to move up the quality scale.  I suggest using cite web and cite news or the related ones as needed. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Casino naming structure?
I'm curious about the naming structure for casino articles where the same physical location is taken over by another (e.g., Golden Nugget Atlantic City becoming the Atlantic City Hilton). In most cases involving a physical structure, e.g., ships, buildings, theatres, airports, sports venues, we use the current name and then describe its past. However in the casino articles each iteration of the same building gets a separate article. My knee jerk reaction is that we should follow conventional naming structures and just have one article per physical location. Thanks. Americasroof (talk) 20:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That brings up a good question that I have - for each article about a casino should the article title itself have for example the word "casino" at the end of it? For example, the section right below this is Harrah's Cherokee should it be called that, or should it be called "Harrah's Cherokee Casino"? Is there a standard that's been set? If so, where is that documented? Some places are called casino, others are called resort, others are called "Hotel and Casino". Hmmmm Zul32 (talk) 19:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Generally I'd say name it whatever is on their website. If it is defunct, name it whatever the best reference you have calls it. 2005 (talk) 22:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that each iteration of ownership get a new article. I know of some cases where this was done for Binions, but that is the exception rather then the rule.  The MGM before the fire is another.  Generally if the building is torn down we tend to keep the history in the old article. But when the name changes like the Aladdin, the article also changes name.  As to the source for the name, when there are questions, I use the name on the address to contact the casino or the name on SEC filings. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Harrah's Cherokee
I just tagged the article with your project.  APK  thinks he's ready for his closeup  23:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Future Projects
Something that got my attention today is the weird hodgepodge of bookmakers and bet exchanges that are on Wikipedia. There's tiny bookmakers like Goldbet and Bet24 but not the industry leader (at least for US sports) Pinnacle Sports. Notable bookies The Greek and Bluesquare are also missing. Similarly, there's no iBetX or WBX, but there's the relatively illiquid exchange Betsson and the (currently) non-commercial spin-off Hubdub. I guess this is because most articles in this industry are started by the companies themselves, so there's no real overall plan/direction. I'm going to work on articles for some of the bigger players, as well as try to clean up the existing messy articles over the coming months as time permits. If anyone would like to help me, please let me know! Mandermagic (talk) 08:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea. It is pretty random.  Two things to remember is the criteria for an article is mostly based on notability which means coverage in reliable independent sources.  So, sometimes a company might genuinely deserve an article more than another, but the guideline won't allow that because the more impartant company doesn't have the independant coverage needed.  So article should be made only when there are independent sources.  Second thing, there should only be one article per parent company... like Party Gaming has an article that mentions Party Bets.  There should not be an article about Party Bets. 2005 (talk) 09:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I took some time and tried to incorporate as much in the Pinnacle Sports article as I could find. I searched long and hard for sources/information on the company (such as number of employees, board members, revenues, etc) and came up with virtually nothing, so if anyone comes across that info, it should be added. Furthermore, the article could use some balance, meaning past controversies, criticisms etc. If anyone happens to run into that info, it should be added too. I'll end up working on some other pages that are currently not on Wiki in the near future.  Mandermagic (talk) 01:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just added an article for WBX, please help to build it if you can. Next on my to-do list are [Gamcare] and [IBAS], two strangely absent yet significant gambling organisations/bodies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandermagic (talk • contribs) 13:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have launched the GamCare article. If there is any additional information to add, please include it. Next I will work on the other gambling body missing, IBAS. Mandermagic (talk) 10:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The IBAS article is up. If anyone feels there is something to add, by all means, please do. I will continue to work on other gambling articles missing in the coming days, as time permits. Mandermagic (talk) 06:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Members?
Can anyone become a member of this project? I'm somewhat new to contributing to wiki world, and would like to help with adding articles about casinos (specifically in West Wendover, NV. Please let me know. Thanks,Zul32 (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, anyone can be a member... and feel free to add articles, assuming they are about notable/verifiable subjects. Articles about casinos likely will always be notable/verifiable. 2005 (talk) 21:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

CasaBlanca Resort AfD discussion
The article on the CasaBlanca Resort has been nominated for deletion. If you wish to comment please do so. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Current West Wendover, NV casinos now created
I've finally managed to create stubs of all these. Some have had a few references added to them, and even after much surfing of the internet for related articles, it's still difficult to find some choice references. Feel free to check these out. You can start by going to one of them here: Montego_Bay_Resort and I've added a nice West Wendover, NV casinos navigation at the bottom that lists both the current, and the defunct casinos. I've also heard that there used to be a Nevada Club there? Anyone hear about that one?Zul32 (talk) 19:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't know if it affects anything, but the AfD above can affect these new articles. The proposal to delete, that article with more references still does not have a consensus to keep.  So some may follow up if that article is deleted with AfDs on casino articles that are stubs.  As I will note when I express my opinion at that discussion, it is truly difficult to find proper sources when you get 300,000+ hits with google.Vegaswikian (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. It's sometimes difficult to weed-out the websites that are history/facts with the ones that are just a bunch of advertising. Zul32 (talk) 14:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Coming to the above AFD late, that casino and article clearly meet the keep criteria. In this case it's more difficult, but going into the future, finding good references is better than being a completist.  If some casinos don't have a single really solid source, I don't think we should create an article... largely because it is a very rare casino that would not deserve an article.  It would be a shame to invite a lot of frivilous AFDs for stuff that doesn't merit to be deleted. I'm not sure I'm making the point very well, but it's better to do it right than to be complete.  More articles can be added in the future. 2005 (talk) 22:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I felt that the initial article has the references to establish notability. BUt I guess you may always find someone who thinks otherwise. Now to decide when to split out Black Gaming. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Standardizing our assessments
I have a couple of thoughts that I wish to encourage some talk/comments on:
 * Quality : I happen to notice that the MGM_Grand_Las_Vegas received an assessment of "C" class rating on the other hand please take a look at the Casino_Niagara article. I've found that it has no references, the infobox has the logo only displayed (it appears that the facts & figures section could have been incorporated some of this content into the infobox), and has very little content. With that being said - this article was assessed with "B" class. Don't misunderstand what I'm trying to point out here, I'm not canvasing (at all). So, where are the standards? I'm no expert on assessing articles for this project, but I'd guess that the Casino Niagara should be reclassified as "start" on the quality scale, and possibly upgrade the MGM up to a "B" article. I'm not trying to single out these two casinos, I just need to point out that this project needs further clarification and possibly review of what assessments are assigned to articles that encompass the WikiProject_Gambling
 * Importance : Is there a general 'guideline' for what articles should have a higher importance than others? Do we have examples? For example, is an article about a small-town casino a lower importance than say a casino on the Vegas-strip? I would think the answer to that would be "yes" and furthermore would directly tie in with it's notability. If the group can setup some sort of list of standards for everyone to follow on both quality and importance, that would be appreciated. If there already is a list/example/template of this somewhere, please direct me to this. ThanksZul32 (talk) 14:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Nevada assessments are probably reasonably accurate. They are not perfect, but they should be close.  Generalized assessment criteria are listed here.  The Nevada project's criteria are listed here and the template includes the individual B class criteria.  So, you should not be able to rate a Nevada article as B class unless you actually say that each and every one of the B class criteria has been meet. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll try to update the assessment template to include the B class criteria check list. That will make it less likely to see articles incorrectly labeled at B class. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK template updated and I reviewed several of the assessed categories. This resulted in a bunch of assessment changes.  I'll try and work down the queue as I have time.  Also the documentation for the project template needs some work. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I finished assessing all of the articles that did not have an assessment. I think that we are in good shape and that any errors will be small and corrected over time. It would be nice if someone could review the start class assessments. I feel that some of these really should be rated as a C. However, I was not up to that much reading while doing 600 or so articles. I also decided that redirects would not be a part of the project. I don't think that will be an issue. Next I'm going to see if the poker editors want to be a sub project and do that cleanup if they agree. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles needing work
Please check Category:Gambling articles needing attention. While I'm trying to get all of the articles assessed, I running into a few that probably should be merged or have other issues. It would be nice to have some other editors look at these and merge or take other action. I'm trying to not get distracted by other stuff while doing the assessment. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Great idea. Thanks. 2005 (talk) 22:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Vegaswikian, I think a number of articles in Category:Bookmakers need serious attention, some of them possibly deletion. I've been chipping away at a few of them as time permits. Hazir (talk) 03:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been busy trying to assess all of the gambling related articles. I still have at least 500 to go.  After that I hope to take some time off, so I'm not looking for more work and bookmaking is not an area I'm interested in.  BTW, it would be nice for someone to look at all of the start rated articles.  I suspect that since these were rated on a quick look, there may be some C class articles in there.  Also a few articles need infoboxes.  Note how I modified your link above. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

A-1_Club article has been slated as Afd
The A-1 Club casino although is quite lacking in content needs some work. This is one of the defunct casinos. I wasn't sure how/where to start a discussion page about it other than make an entry in the discussion page of the article itself? If anyone from the group is able to do some research and find some sources to help make it more noteworthy, that would be appreciated. Can we convince them/they to not delete the article and just give it more time to allow for additional work to be done to it? Can this also be part of the Project Nevada? Zul32 (talk) 20:10, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Zul32 - there's no problem with you drawing our attention to an AfD and stating your opinion but please let us make up our own minds. Hazir (talk) 21:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Just so you know, it was tagged with a "prod", not an "afd". An afd leads to a discussion where people offer opinions on whether to delete an article, and a deletion only occurs when there is a consensus for one.  A prod is more passive.  If no one objects to the deletion within five days (I think) the article could be deleted.  So all it takes is one editor to besides the creator to remove the tag.  The page creator can add the "hangon" tag to ask for more time to improve the article, but the creator should not simply remove the prod tag.  I removed the prod tag in this case.  One more source about the Casino would be nice though. 2005 (talk) 00:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Vegaswikian made a good point that finding online sources to something that was closed 42 years ago does present a challenge. I'll see if I can find a few more sources. Oh, and speaking of that - Can a person take an old newspaper clipping/article and scan it, and then upload it somewhere here (wikimedia or something) to make that a reference rather than a website? As you can tell I'm just trying to help, I haven't done much of this. Zul32 (talk) 16:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably not. The paper is copyrighted so an upload would like not be allowed.  However use the cite news template and fill in all of the details about the printed version and it will be OK.  The fact that it is not online does not invalidate the reference. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As Vegaswikian said offline references are just fine. Enter the info from the news clipping and that's all you need to do. 2005 (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Added some procedure stuff at Bookmaker
Hi there,

I expanded some of the "operational procedures" section at Bookmaker, in the hope of making it more interesting and complete. The article (which was but is now ) at Mathematics of bookmaking is somewhat useful but way to complicated probably for most people who just want to know how a bookmaker actually makes a book. (Of course it is all done by computer now, even on-course, but taking people through how to do it longhand is a good way to explain it.) Although not perfect, I like this description quite well, as it contains absolutely no maths. However, I wonder if it would be better placed in another article? Any opinions, I should be glad to hear them.

Please excuse me for posting here rather than on the article's own talk page, but since I am not entirely sure it is suited on that page (nor how much its talk page is read) I thought perhaps I would get more response here.

To give a little background, my granddad was a bookie's runner and tic-tac. I am a computer programmer cum mathematician and am hoping to be a maths teacher; it is exactly examples like bookmaking I want to introduce into classes on probability rather than the dry stuff at Mathematics of bookmaking. Very important that article is too, but actually to get children to take an interest, run a horse race and then they will grab the concept of probabilities much much better. So, to have general purpose explanations like this I think is good.

I have also done some general clean-up at a few other gambling related articles: Tote betting and The Tote and I think a couple of others on the way, but this was just wikignoming, on the whole.

Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 16:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you probably need to reverse what you are doing. When writing articles we need to avoid making a content fork.  A concept should be explained in one main place, and then when the content is used in other articles the same content as in the main article should be repeated.  Something should not be explained in a different way.  Mathematics of bookmaking should only be covered in that article (explained both technically and less technically is fine), and so then anywhere else the math of bookmaking is discussed, the text can be pulled from the main article.  I'm not very familiar with bookmaking myself, but it sounds like you should move the text you added to the Mathematics of bookmaking article, put three sentences or so in th regular bookmaking article, then point to the main Mathematics of bookmaking. 2005 (talk) 22:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Simon, I just had a read through your edits. I think the procedures section is now unnecessarily complicated. The paragraphs about making a book by using a spreadsheet etc. should be summarised in one sentence (as was once the case) and the detail added to the Mathematics of bookmaking. The article also goes from talking about horse racing to point spreads, which is fairly confusing. Hazir (talk) 22:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Article alerts now implemented
Article alerts are now available on the project page. This automatically list project pages flagged for a number of actions. It would be good if the project members viewed this section occasionally. Here is the direct link to the section. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. 2005 (talk) 00:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I just updated the link so that you will be notified when the page is updated if it is on your watch list. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Traffic reports
I have requested that a list of traffic per article be generated. This list could be used to identify the popular articles and to maybe concentrate improvement work on those articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:32, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Paddy Power 'novelty' spam
Hi all, I would appreciate if someone would take a look at the "novelty betting" section of the Paddy Power article. I am tempted to delete most of it and leave only a few lines mentioning that Paddy Power are well known for creating controversial betting markets as PR stunts (perhaps list a couple of events and include one or two references). Otherwise I'm afraid that the section will continue to be used as a promotional space and just get bigger and bigger with time. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Hazir (talk) 06:58, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. I trimmed it down.  That stuff can get out of hand with trivia.  The Goldenpalace.com article has similar issues. 2005 (talk) 09:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Sports betting glossary spam
An author keeps adding his "free tips" affiliate portal to the sports betting article. I might have exceeded the 3 revert rule by accident as the spam has been posted anonymously on occasion. Can someone please take a look at this? I note also the same author created a list of sports betting terms which is a copy/paste job from his portal. Regards, Hazir (talk) 22:05, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

2009 World Series of Poker Template?
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Afd under scope of Project
WP:Articles_for_deletion/Casinoeuro is up for deletion. 2005 (talk) 01:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Gambling in Oregon
Gambling in Oregon is the current collaboration of the week for WikiProject Oregon, so feel free to contribute to the article if you are interested. WikiProject Gambling members may know some history and insight that could improve the article. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Ranking by revenue
I undid an edit to Circus Circus Reno, that listed it as the 4th largest in terms of revenue. Revenue can swing in these smaller districts, downtown being used in this case. It is simply a maintenance nightmare in my opinion. Does anyone else agree. I suspect that similar changes may have been added to other articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SitNGo Wizard
Feel free to comment at Articles for deletion/SitNGo Wizard.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That is one of 4 current nominations. See the list of nominations if you are interested.  The list can be watch listed if you want to keep informed. This works only if the articles are included with the project template on the talk page. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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Trying to head-off edit warring
I could use some un-biased editors to have a look at SitNGo Wizard, Poker and Stud poker. User:TonyTheTiger has been warned on the AfD page to disengage from editing the article do to his WP:COI as he was compensated to create the article. There appears to be consensus on that page that the article reads like an advertisement and that it should be deleted - yet TonyTheTiger is making no efforts to improve the article, instead he is reverting all of the good faith edits of other editors over and over and removing tags such as the 'issues' tag while making other edits (and not noting tag removal). He has also been warned not to revert the edits of other editors on that article until the AfD is completed, yet he continues to do so. Unfortunately it appears at this point as if me and him are the only two editors who care enough to make content changes and I do not want to engage in an edit war - so I would appreciate if one or more editors can have a look at [this version] that I would like preserved and the current version TonyTheTiger is insisting upon and decided which is better - or make changes of your own.

Regarding Poker and Stud poker a self-published blog is being used as a citation and I removed it. User:2005 instantly reverted my edits, as User:2005 does with the majority of my edits despite being warned to disengage from edit warring with me. I have just reverted the changes back but I am certain User:2005 will simply change my edits back again with a snide remark immediately. I do not want to take part in an edit war so I would like a ruling from another editor or editors on whether this should be included.

I am not canvassing, I am asking for people to objectively analyze these two articles. Whether you agree with User:2005, User:TonyTheTiger or myself is fine - I just want an outside opinion to avoid an edit war. Thank you DegenFarang (talk) 07:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you need to read WP:AGF. Many users have a series of related articles on their watch list and if you edit a few of those in a way that they consider inappropriate, you are going to be reverted.  This is not wikistalking.  It is part of the normal edit disagreements that happen.  As to citations, is there any policy that says all citations need to meet WP:RS?  Vegaswikian (talk) 20:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment on Biographies of living people
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Betfair and betting exchange articles under siege
An [anon user] is hammering these articles with conspiracy-like OR. I did some Googling and found [this] Tweet. It looks likely that he/she will not stop unless blocked. Hazir (talk) 15:54, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Both articles are protected for a week. Please let me know it the IP moves to other articles, in which case the IP will be blocked.  Also let me know if the vandalism continues after the block ends. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Vegaswikian, the Betfair article (and perhaps preemptively the betting exchange article) require protection again. Hazir (talk) 08:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, the vandal is back again, adding the usual unsourced material to the betting exchange article. Hazir (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Betting exchange is blocked since I think a line was crossed there but not Betfair. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:34, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice the personal comments when I reverted the paragraph. Cheers anyway. Hazir (talk) 19:10, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
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pushpin_map
Infobox casino was updated to add this. I have several issues with this. One being that when used it will produce a significant increase in the size of the infobox. It will simply be too long. Second, there are a different set of coordinates provided. Also, it only functions as WP:TRAVEL information by showing the location on a street map. That is in my opinion not encyclopedic information. I think the use of this should be disabled. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Changes to Cards required by WP:ACCESS
Per Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(accessibility), it has been suggested Cards be changed to User:Chzz/cardtest (with thanks to User:Chzz] for the mock up). However we both feel the icons may be a bit blurry. What do you all think ? Gnevin (talk) 07:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

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Glossary of blackjack terms
FYI, Glossary of blackjack terms has been prodded for deletion. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 06:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing
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William Hill Sports Book of the Year
Hi all, just drawing your attention to [this] discussion that I started. I feel this article has slipped under the radar for a while. Good to see some familiar faces still floating around and contributing to this project! Regards Hazir (talk) 20:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you meant Talk:William Hill Sports Book of the Year... ;). 2005 (talk) 01:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

re:Video Lottery Terminal - 'Canada', pg 3
Hello, I hope I understand the rules of this talk correctly as this is my first time. I'm curious as to where the "93%" payout referred to in Saskatchewan is referenced from. I'd like to know if that's true.

As an alternative I found the official provincial regulatory document "The Saskatchewan Gaming Corporation Casino Regulations 2002", copyright 2008, which states in section 6(1)Slot machine pay out, "The corporation shall ensure that each slot machine pays out a mathematically demonstrable pay out percentage of not less than 85% of all amounts bet on that machine."

As a resident of Saskatchewan, a gamer,and a student, thankyou for your consideration. Steve - Feb.02/2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.233.8.109 (talk) 06:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Mahjong
Template:Mahjong has been nominated for deletion. 64.229.100.153 (talk) 05:08, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Shuffle Master Products
We'll be starting to add and update Shuffle Master's products and games on Wikipedia. Currently, Three Card Poker, Let It Ride, and Casino War have pages. Let It Ride and Casino War have pretty decent content, but the Three Card Poker page contains some information that doesn't need to be there. In addition to these three titles, Mississippi Stud and Ultimate Texas Hold'em will be added in the near future with more titles to follow. Our goal is to have all of our product pages contain the rules of the game, a little history, odds, and maybe some strategy. Shufflemaster (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a product catalog, and product pages will be deleted as spam. Additionally you should read the Wikipedia's conflict of interest page. 2005 (talk) 22:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually the main discussion has moved to the users talk page. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Moneyline - definition
Hello, I am interested in clarifying the definition of the term 'moneyline'. From what I understand there are two definitions:-

1) Odds (price) format: The moneyline price format is simply the US price format.      If decimalOdds < 2 then  USOdds = 100 / (1 - decimalOdds)         else if decimalOdds = 2 then  USOdds = "EVENS"                   else if decimalOdds > 2 then  USOdds = 100  * (decimalOdds - 1)                 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_betting

2) Handicap value: Moneyline also means the zero handicap (aka 'scratch'). e.g. in ice-hockey the value of a handicap ('quote') is known as the 'puck line'. And a 'puck line' of zero is the moneyline. http://www.docsports.com/nhl-puck-line.html http://sportsgambling.about.com/od/pr/g/puckline.htm Do other contributors concur? If so, should we edit the wiki pages to disambiguate these definitions? Regards, Adrian Count ludwig (talk) 18:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Tote board / Automatic totalisator
I have come across a pair of articles (out of my expertise) that look like they could be merged. They are Tote board and Automatic totalisator. Comments? Chris857 (talk) 00:48, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems like a good idea to merge them, and any other similar ones. 2005 (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Lottery Infobox
I have added an infobox to the article National Lottery (United Kingdom) and I was wanting opinions on it for use on other lottery articles C. 22468 (talk) 20:43, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

2011 World Series of Poker Europe main event
Why is the 2011 World Series of Poker Europe main event 8-handed?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month for December 2011: Pachinko
The article Pachinko badly needs work, especially sourcing. Since it is based on the ja.wiki version of the article, and most of the sources will be in Japanese, it could obviously use some help from someone who knows the language. Basically, the article has a lot of information, but virtually none of it is sourced. It has some suspect "information" in it (I removed most of the blatant WP:NOR and WP:NOT violations), and it is also missing historical information prior to around 1920. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 09:29, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Remember that you can add this to WikiProject Gambling/Things you can do for better visibility. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Notable performers
At least one editor is adding lists of notable performers to many casino articles. I have been formatting the lists so that they are multiple columns. However it is not clear to me that these are notable, encyclopedic or otherwise belong in the article based on Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Comments? Vegaswikian (talk) 17:39, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Notable performers in the Wayne Newton/Celine Dion sense? I don't find that very notable, except in the Penn and Teller Theater sense where a performer is at a casino for years, or is their home base.  Just because somebody sang somewhere once on the other hand is trivial. 2005 (talk) 18:10, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I forgot to leave a link. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow, huge laundy lists like that are terrible. I'd say remove the whole thing.  2005 (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed that these lists are not adding value to the articles. If other editors could come along later and flesh them out with prose and winnow them down to those performers that were significant in the casino's history, then I would say leave them in. But given the lack of sources and sheer volume of the lists, I don't see that ever happening. Toohool (talk) 19:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

SBOBET
Hi guys, there is a persistent spammer on this article. It looks as though he/she keeps replacing the official SBOBET URL with a .TH domain (I doubt this is a true regional version of SBOBET as online gambling is strictly forbidden in Thailand). Regards Hazir (talk) 20:12, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you warned the editor using uw-vandal1 and the rest of the series? That should be the first step. If they keep it up, and you get to the final notice, an admin can issue the block. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Rosecroft Raceway/archive1
Hello, everyone:

I have nominated Rosecroft Raceway, a harness racing track in Maryland, for a featured article. However, there has not been many comments, and it would be greatly appreciated if anyone could take a took at it. Thank you to everyone in advance! —Michael Jester (talk &#183; contribs) 22:36, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carmen Media
Another editor has nominated Carmen Media for deletion. You may want to participate in the discussion at Articles for deletion/Carmen Media. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:55, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

List of casinos in the United States
I have made a proposal to expand the list of casinos in the United States with a new column including information about who operates each casino. If you're interested in joining the discussion, you can find it at the list's talk page. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 06:40, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Vega casino images
have been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:54, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Problem gambling links?
Pinging the project per edits to horse racing: Is problem gambling linked in the see also section of every single gambling article? Is this something the project feels is needed? I have a user wanting to add that link to the horse racing article, but I am not certain it is appropriate and have suggested we consult with this project. Open to comments. Montanabw (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally, see also sections are often contaminated by excessive and unnecessary links. Problem gambling would make sense as a link in the highest level gaming articles.  That link, see also section or otherwise, is not required in most of the other articles.  Maybe if there is something notable with several references, but otherwise it probably should not be added. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. 2005 (talk) 22:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Where would you folks put horse racing then? See  and . Feel free to comment at the article if you want to. I guess I'm neutral on the issue, but leaning toward leaving it out.  Montanabw (talk)  23:14, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Not included since the article does not add anything to the topic horse racing. Vegaswikian (talk) 15:43, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The editor is now adding the problem gambling link to any articles that have gambling in the name, including those with an entire problem gambling section and existing link to the main problem gambling article. I'm taking them out, but this is looking like an editor's fetish now. 2005 (talk) 20:00, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, take a look at Talk:Horse racing, I moved the conversation he started on my talk page there. I used an analogy to alcoholism in articles about wine or linking to diabetes in articles about candy, but to no avail; guess he won't drop the stick. Ping me if you need help, I'm in agreement with your position on this.  Montanabw (talk)  22:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, i feel sorry for not reaching earlier to this project talk, but anyone could have leave me a message on my talk, nobody did.. First of all, i would like to reconsider the deletion of the category Problem gambling. 2nd, i haven´t been adding randomly Problem gambling to any gambling related article, but the ones related to gambling and money, and correct me if i´m wrong, Casino, Horse racing and Slot machines, are some of the main gambling activities and i thought of starting from the top to the bottom. I´m also a bit surprised from the negative reaction, i would have thought of some help, but i´m founding a lot of resistance, and i guessed pretty natural to talk in Wikipedia about the diseases related to gambling, i´m actually doing it because i was told from several people about it, the surprising lack of visibility of Ludomania in the articles.--Euroescritor (talk) 18:19, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Euroescritor, I told you to take it to the wikiproject in question. When you didn't, I did. Read the excellent advice given you above for a solution. Mass linking in a see also is not the way to handle this. No one is preventing well-written, sourced discussion of gambling addiction in relevant articles with material specific to that form of gambling.  Montanabw (talk)  18:33, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Montanabw, you suggested me to tak the disccusion to the article´s talk page after i asked you about your undos, so i did, and i thought we were working it out, but i wasn´t aware of this particular board--Euroescritor (talk) 19:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I meant to go here. I didn't feel comfortable discussing at my talk page nor at the horse racing article because I suspect it is a project-wide issue. Now we're here and you can discuss it with others.   Montanabw (talk)  05:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Gambling
I just started it and it could use a bit of help. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:54, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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Louisiana Lottery Corporation
This article, Louisiana Lottery Corporation, is a mess, are we supposed to be a guide on how to cash in lottery tickets? -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 21:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Oswald Jacoby
I don't see how much talk-page bannering of biographies you prefer.

Note, we say this concerning Oswald Jacoby, one of our.
 * A poker player and author on the subject, Jacoby was convicted of a gambling charge in 1944 while in the navy but acquitted of a charge of conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.
 * [ref>"Oswald Jacoby's Court Martial". Myron L. Gordon. Unknown origin. Copy at Bridge Ace (bridgeace.com). Retrieved 2014-05-15. Copy at Better Bridge.

(copy-paste except tweaks to format this indented display) --P64 (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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New lottery infobox
I have just created Infobox lottery. It's in use on National Lottery (Ireland), for example. Please deploy it as you see fit. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

American mahjong listed at Requested moves
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"Hockey pool"
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Gambling in Cuba
There appears to be no article for Gambling in Cuba, yet we have many articles like Gambling in the United States, Gambling in Mexico, etc. Here's an interesting article we could use as a reference.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Seeking feedback on draft article for James F. Allen
Hello, project members. Since editors here may be more familiar with industry leaders, I'm hoping I can get some additional feedback on a draft I recently submitted to AfC. Full disclosure: This draft article for James F. Allen, who serves as chairman of Hard Rock International and CEO of Seminole Gaming and has led the Seminole Tribe of Florida's gaming operations since 2001, was written on his behalf and as part of my work with Beutler Ink.

The draft was declined by User:SwisterTwister for being "Too suggestive of an advertised business profile for clients, notability cannot be inherited from others and the sources are largely consisting of simple announcements, local business journals, notices and similar." I posted a reply on the draft's talk page, and received a response in the form of an additional AfC comment that said the sources were "not significant weight-ful of notability, including because they include local business publications and similar". I'm not entirely sure what this means because I thought the sources used are considered major publications (for example, Forbes and The Press of Atlantic City); it would be helpful to get editors from here to take a look and point me in the right direction, or help confirm notability. My goal remains to have the draft deemed accurate and neutral, and moved into the main space.

I appreciate the AfC process and SwisterTwister's review of the draft, but this process has not really provided specific ways to improve the draft, so I'm casting a wider net and reaching out to people who may be 'watchlisting' this page for additional input. I've posted similar requests for feedback at WikiProject Biography, and on the Hard Rock Cafe and Seminole Tribe of Florida talk pages, but so far no one has responded. Is there anyone who is willing to review this draft and provide additional feedback? Thanks in advance for any help. Inkian Jason (talk) 17:45, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I am marking this section as 'resolved' since the article has been moved into the main space. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 19:41, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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"Professional gambling"
I don't think Professional gambling should redirect to Advantage gambling, since professional gamblers exist, and its a different topic from that covered at "advantage gambling". This needs an article or should be a redlink -- 65.94.169.56 (talk) 02:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

BetStars - new page
Hi WikiProject Gambling,

I would like to instate a new page for BetStars, which is the sports betting brand of The Stars Group, ultimate owners of PokerStars, Full Tilt and other brands. I would like to propose copy which is based on the Group's annual information form, which necessarily does not contain any ambiguity or sales material. I am, however, reluctant to create the page myself because I am employed by the Group and am conscious of a conflict of interest.

Information from the annual information form can be found here, on page 6:

https://s1.rationalcdn.com/vendors/stars-group/documents/financial-information/amaya-2016-annual-information-form-March-22-2017.pdf

I would be quite happy to suggest the content myself, or help with any requests for relevant information you might have.

Thanks,

Willswoodbines — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willswoodbines (talk • contribs) 14:51, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Wiki articles are based primarily on coverage in third-party reliable sources, rather than information directly from the primary source. You probably should read here, WP:COI, and then find a more general wiki talk page to ask about a good way forward. 2005 (talk) 01:35, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

ASTERIG
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Gambling in Puerto Rico
Any thoughts on adding article on Gambling in Puerto Rico? It is legal and part of the tourism industry on the island. Thanks.-- Surv1v4l1st ▌Talk 23:43, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * For sure, there should be plenty of sources available to support such an article. Toohool (talk) 00:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Gambling Portal?
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Nomination of Portal:Las Vegas for deletion
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Infobox Backlog
Greetings

I have been working my way through cleaning up the backlog of articles requiring an infobox. I've gotten it from 400 down to just about 200 because most of the instances of WP:Gambling had the needs infobox parameter set to yes. All I did was for the first round just checked if an infobox was present or not. Now I will go through to to further make sure that the article still needs an infobox (Some may have been lists etc) Its considered a backlog if the count is over 100 articles. I may be able to clear the backlog out over the next few days so if anyone wants to start the actual creation of info boxes go and have at it. I'm more of an administrative cleaning things up type of person! Thx Rob110178 (talk) 20:36, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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Minnesota State Lottery
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Help with updates for James F. Allen article
Hello! Gary here, hoping to submit a few updates for the James F. Allen (chairman of Hard Rock International; CEO of Seminole Gaming) article, as I've disclosed on the article's talk page. I managed to submit a couple requests successfully in December, but so far no editors have replied to my most recent one. Are any project members available to take a look? Thanks for any help! GaryBitner (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

How to edit?
In the article National Lottery (Ireland) the infobox states that the first draw was 1986. This is incorrect and yet I can't figure out how to change it. The correct year is 1988. Jonjoe3 (talk) 11:42, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

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Looking for reviewers for GGPoker draft page
Hi, I submitted a draft article for GGPoker at Articles for Creation earlier this month and I'm hoping to find editors familiar with online gambling articles here on Wikipedia who can give some objective feedback. The draft was declined and I've since made some edits based on the feedback I received, so I'd like to find someone to look over the draft before I resubmit. Would anyone here be willing to do that? I have a financial conflict of interest (I'm an employee of NSUSLab, GGPoker's platform developer), which is why I submitted the draft via AfC and am looking for impartial reviewers. There hasn't been much recent discussion here, but I looked through the participants and saw User:Rray, User:The Gnome and User:Coolguy22468 were active. Are any of you open to looking at the draft? Thanks! Chris H (GGPoker) (talk) 06:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft for new article
Hi there! The company I am currently working for was aware that I am a Wikipedia editor and asked me to create a Wikipedia article for them. Of course I explained the WP:COI and WP:ABOUTME, but I figured I could create a draft as best as I can and hand it over here. This subject is quite outside of my usual fare, so having another person look at my draft would be a good idea either way. Could someone here look at the draft I created and see if it is suited for mainspace? User:Maplestrip/One Casino. Thank you very much either way! ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 09:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * A year later, I have submitted the article for review again. The subject has received much more reception since it came live in the Netherlands again, so I'm hoping it might meet GNG. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 15:13, 18 January 2023 (UTC)