Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Glaciers/Archive 1

Infobox
I think an infobox for glaciers would be a good idea. The box would need space for an a banner at top with perhaps a bluish color, an image, a image caption, the type of glacier, location, area, length, coordinates and anything else anyone can think of. It's not mandatory and there is no hurry, but it might add a nice touch.--MONGO 08:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that There is a very basic infobox for many Norwegian glaciers as shown at Okstindbreen, and there is a different infobox at Columbia Glacier, Alaska and at Taku Glacier. --MONGO 12:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

InfoBox Question
Hi MONGO, I was curious in the Glaciers Infobox under type if, for say a tidewater glacier, I should list the type as "tidewater glacier" or "valley glacier"? I think pretty much all tidewater glaciers are valley glaciers, but that's just me. Jarfingle 03:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * NSIDC states that a valley glacier is: a mountain glacier whose flow is confined by valley walls...and a tidewater glacier is: mountain glacier that terminates in the ocean...not sure if their definition is law or anything, but maybe that will help define it...maybe we need to bascially identify 4-6 or so major "types", explain them on the project page of the template page for the infobox and that way it will be easier for people to figure out. I'm not beholden to any wording or formatting about anything on this project, so if you think something needs to be fixed, never hesitate to do so...this project belongs to everyone. If you think something needs to be added to the infobox or anything else, go for it.--MONGO 04:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC
 * I would agree that zone of ablation should be ablation zone and we need an accumulation zone page. You create these and I will populate the two articles.  Tidewater seldom applies to non-valley glaciers but it does, so it is best to leave them separate.  It is similar to surging in that it can apply to a valley glacier but is more of a speicific conditions.  Similarly polar glaciers as compared to temperate glaciers, this distinguishes them by temperature.Peltoms 12:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking over lots of data, what I also find is that Ice caps not only include large areas on mountaintops, but is applied to areas such as the Greenland Ice Cap...which is pretty much the entire island. Icefields seem to include areas where there are numerous glaciers that are not even connected to each other. Hopefully we can get the spelling correct and use proper naming conventions.--MONGO 16:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, me again. 'Tidewater glacier' should very definitely be seperate from 'valley glacier'. A tidewater glacier is strongly influenced by tidal effects both in terms of it's dynamic behaviour and in terms of it's mechanical stability. In practical terms they also generate icebergs which is of more than passing interest to anyone passing by in a boat. Valley glaciers whilst being much more populous are also regarded as duller. It is not a good time to be an Alpine glacier as all those dudes in Alaska get all the press :-(

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sea ice & drift ice
Please voice your opinions about their merge proposal in Talk:Sea ice. `'mikkanarxi 02:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:49, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Infobox and Userbox
Hi folks, I decided to be bold and alter the look of the project page somewhat. I added the Template:Infobox WikiProject and I've also created a userbox for the project.

I hope these changes are OK with everyone. Thanks. --Seattle Skier 22:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks very good...thank you for the addition.--MONGO 04:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'll add it to the project page, if no one minds. ~ UBeR (talk)

Misfit streams
I have made some improvements to this article and wonder if it is now better than a stub-class article. This is the first time I've done this, so if someone else would like to have a look and see if I've got the right idea, that would be great. Thanks. Milton25 20:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I would prefer it to have at least three references or more data before it is considered a start level article. Otherwise, it looks good...nice picture too.--MONGO 04:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Why use Acres?

Geology Project
This project should be a part a bigger project dedicated to geology. Currenly all geology related articles, including volcano, earthquake, minerals, glaciers related articles are all over the places in don't have a common roof. If you are interested, please sign up to help establish the Geology Project. See WikiProject Council/Proposals. Solarapex 21:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that a Geology WikiProject would be very useful, but I don't think that this project needs to be part of a bigger project. I think it is doing quite well on its own, right?  I think that any potential new Geology WikiProject should concentrate on improving those areas and articles which are outside the scope of existing WikiProjects such as this one or WikiProject Volcanoes, including articles about non-glacial and non-volcanic geological features and rocks.  That would provide the maximum benefit without disrupting current projects, and interested editors could simply join both projects.
 * Please also realize that starting, setting up, and maintaining a productive WikiProject is a major effort, and it will take a large degree of long-term commitment and large amounts of time to make it a success. --Seattle Skier (talk) 22:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I do realize all this, this is why I'm looking for help. The ultimate goal of the Geology project would be to organize the existing geology articles, establish links with sister or daughter projects such as ones listed above. Keeping this the it is now is not an alternative. This is something that just needs be done now. Otherwise, as Wikipedia grows it'd be much more difficult task to sort and organize all these things, hence, more unlikely to be even started as such. It's already overdue. On the other note, this is not like starting a brand new project. Like I said, there are existing projects in other Wikipedias (e.g. Russian). They can be used as an examle. I did invite those people to participate, but the problem is they may not have good knowledge of English. Solarapex 23:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Water distribution inaccuracies
Water distribution on Earth, Fresh water, Antarctic ice sheet, all have contradictory to each other information on distribution of fresh water on Earth. I, personally, trust this source, which cites ''Gleick, P. H., 1996: Water resources. In Encyclopedia of Climate and Weather, ed. by S. H. Schneider, Oxford University Press, New York, vol. 2, pp.817-823''. (Igny 16:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC))

Naming clarification
Thanks for joining the project. I thought that there are enough articles on glaciers that a project was possible. Just to do some clarifications, I think an ice field and an ice cap are different things. Generally, an Ice cap is a body of ice that is larger than a Glacier, is more continuous, but is smaller than an Ice sheet. Modern ice sheets would include only Greenland and Antartica...but of course, much of Siberia, northern Europe and North America were also once under ice sheets. I think that ice cap is also used for larger mountain based areas of continuous ice. I may have to work on clarification of these major definition articles to clear up what they should say to differentiate themselves. An Ice field is more ambiguous...not sure what the differences between it is and the other definitions, but I'll try and figure it out. I think you probably alreay know all of this, so excuse me if I'm coming across as condescending. The Ice field and Ice cap definitions must be avaiable somewhere. I mean we have Columbia Icefield, Wapta Icefield, Waputik Icefield and we also have the Quelccaya Ice Cap...but they appear to be pretty much the same things...each has outflow, or outlet glaciers and are smaller than icesheets. I suppose how we spell the terms may matter too...I mean, is it Icefield; Ice field....Icecap; Ice Cap...you get the picture...there is much work to do. We'll have to work to standardize the naming based on some universally accepted style, that glaciologist also use to define the terms.

I also saw you suggested we change the name of the List of glaciers to something else, which may be fine but let me see if there is a better name then either of us has come up with. That list was started some time ago, so I'll try and ask those that worked on it earlier what their thoughts are.--MONGO 05:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. While I agree there's a clear-cut defintion between ice sheet and ice cap, it seems that ice field and ice cap are analgous (or, in the case of ice field]]) vague enough to combine into one article. It seems the heirarchy, in terms of size, of bodies of ice is:

What do you think? Jarfingle 15:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Ice sheet
 * 2) Ice cap/Ice field
 * 3) Glacier
 * Hi...thanks for responding...I was looking at NSIDC's website and on this page under "I" they are quite helpful in determining common terminology. I would agree with you that there is little if any difference between an icecap and an ice field aside from their definition that an icecap is "larger than and ice field but less than 50,000 km² (12 million acres)" I also clicked on the ice field link and it states that "icefield: a mass of glacier ice; similar to an ice cap, and usually smaller and lacking a dome-like shape; somewhat controlled by terrain". Like I said, and not being an expert myself, I would tend to agree that icecaps and ice fields are the same thing, but perhaps there is enough of a difference they do deserve to be classified differently. Now when I created the short article about the Quelccaya Ice Cap, I spelled Ice Cap in two words, but that website combines them...the don't combine icefield, instead keeping it as two words...whereby the three article also listed above have the wording icefield as one word...so my articles are backwards from their spellings.....so here's some google info to see what is the best used terminology:


 * "Columbia Icefield" 211,000 hits
 * "Columbia Ice Field" redirects me to Columbia Icefield
 * "Quelccaya Icecap" essentially redirects to "Quelccaya Ice Cap" as well...I dunno...I suppose any wording will do...but the NSIDC is usually a very informative source so I'm confused. Let me email User:Peltoms who is the glaciologist that was instrumental in helping us bring Retreat of glaciers since 1850 to FA level and see what he has to say on the matter...he may however be in in the field doing research so a response from him may be slow or we may not get one at all.--MONGO 16:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I think the generic ice field is supposed to be spelled as ice field, however, despite this, many official place names (see Juneau Icefield, Columbia Icefield) are officially named with no space. In fact, I think a majority of ice fields in context of official names are spelled without a space. I ran into a similar problem with LeConte. Supposed to be spelled with a space (see Joseph Le Conte), however many placenames (LeConte Glacier, LeConte Bay, M/V LeConte) are spelled without the space. &mdash; Jarfingle 16:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I see that when in a proper name,the words tend to be combined. I just emailed Peltoms, but he may or may not respond. It's probably trivial nothingness...but what you mentioned last on my talk page sounds like a good working standard. Maybe we can transpose this to the project talk page too? It's kind of empty over there. I also invited Peltoms to join the project.--MONGO 16:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * An ice cap is not just size it is an area in which the topography of the glacier controls flow, hence it tends to be on a relatively flat plateau or lowland. An icefield, I would use one word as has been noted, flow is controlled by the surrounding mountain topography.Peltoms 12:37, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * While I'm not officially listed as a participant, I have this talk page watchlisted and may check in from time to time... I think there is an important technical distinction between an ice cap and icefield (also note the one-word spelling).  The distinction relates to how topography influences flow of the ice.  An icefield is strongly influenced and constrained by the underlying bedrock topography, whereas an ice cap takes on more of a dome-like shape and looses the influence from the underlying topography.   I would need to consult some paper-based sources to come up with more of an explanation than this. -- Aude  ( talk   contribs ) 13:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, an icefield often have nunataks poking through the surface, whereas ice caps do not.  Possibly, we could use an article on glacier morphology that explains these differences and the various types of glaciers.  Then, perhaps articles such as ice cap can go in more depth, and list notable ice caps.  Same for icefields, and other types.  Sources I recommend drawing from for this include Glaciers and Glaciation by Douglas I. Benn, David J. A. Evans, and there's the more technical Physics of Glaciers by W. S. B. Paterson which is often cited in scholarly literature. -- Aude  ( talk   contribs ) 13:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Very good points and that is most helpful....I had forgotten about the nunatak being a methodology of distinction. My understanding is that ice caps were also more generally more likely to be mountain based and icefields less so. Good references too, so thanks for chiming in!--MONGO 14:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and created a stub, glacier morphology, which should go in more depth to the glacier types than in the main glacier article. Won't have much time to work on it in the next couple weeks, but may come back to it at a later time. Of course, anyone is welcome to work on it. In creating this stub, I noticed some other missing articles, such as ice calving.

The spelling difference (icefield vs. ice field) seems perhaps to be a regional thing, with Canadians using "icefield". (this also shows up in Benn and Evans book, though David Evans is Canadian). NASA, USGS, et al. also seem to prefer "icefield", as does Science (magazine). As such, "Southern Patagonia Icefield" for example turns up 433 google hits, where as "Southern Patagonia Ice Field" returns 44 (including Wikipedia). This difference also holds with Google Scholar. .

As for ice caps in mountainous terrain? Aside from the many red links, hope this helps clarify that "Ice caps" aren't necessarily specific to mountaineous terrain, but more to the contrary. -- Aude ( talk   contribs ) 15:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "Ice Cap" is commonly used with names in the Canadian Arctic islands (Baffin Island: Penny Ice Cap, Barnes Ice Cap, Devon Ice Cap, Ellesmere Island: Sydkap Ice Cap, Agassiz Ice Cap), though there are also some icefields (Prince of Wales Icefield, Manson Icefield). "Ice Cap" is also used with Quelccaya Ice Cap, and Vatnajökull (Iceland). There is a satellite image of Vatnajökull that provides a good example of an ice cap.
 * "Ice Cap" is not used in the Canadian Rockies, the British Columbia coast ranges, or Alaska, whereas "icefield" is. (Canadian Rockies: Columbia Icefield, Wapta Icefield, Waputik Icefield, Clemenceau Icefield, Coast ranges (British Columbia): Pemberton Icefield, Homathko Icefield, Monarch Icefield, Cambria Icefield, Alaska: Juneau Icefield, Stikine Icefield, Sargent Icefield, Harding Icefield, Bagley Icefield). "Icefield" is also used in the Andes (Argentina/Chile: Northern Patagonia Icefield, Southern Patagonian Ice Field). The photo in Juneau Icefield is a good contrast to Vatnajökull.

Hi, 'icecap' tends to imply that the glacier is to some extent dome-shaped/convex. An 'icefield' (all one word), is an expanse of ice, normally at high elevation, that is essentially flat. At least that is my understanding. Icefields tend not to occur in Europe but besides the notable Alaskan cases you might also want to look up New Zealand's Garden of Eden and Garden of Allah icefields. Nunataks occur on icecaps too; for example several Icelandic icecaps, many Norwegian icecaps etc. Glaciologists often use the local terminology.130.237.175.198 12:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Microformats in Infobox
I've added an hcard microformat (per WP:UF) to Infobox Glacier. Changing the coordinates to use coord, instead of coor dm, as I've done on Columbia Glacier (Washington), will cause them to display in the title bar also (if the "display" property is set to "display=inline,title") and to appear as a geo microformat. Andy Mabbett 19:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Cirque and Corrie
Please see Talk:Cirque for this disputed merger. The way, the truth, and the light 15:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Redirect of Cirque glacier to Cirque
Cirque glacier is a distinct type of glacier, with each glacier type having an article. A cirque is a related, but separate thing (it's the landform type, which may or may not include a glacier. As such, I don't think a redirect is acceptable, but am open to discussion at Talk:Cirque glacier. --Aude (talk) 04:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Question regarding the infobox
A decent question regarding adding altitude parameters to the infobox for the highest and lowest points for each glacier has been made here. I think this is a good idea, so long as blank parameters continue to show up blank. I'd do this myself, but not sure how to adjust the template.--MONGO 06:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Any experts?
Hello. Are there any glaciologists or anyone with particular knowledge on the pleistocene glaciation? I would enjoy some help on one or two articles I'm trying to progress. Thanks. ~ UBeR 16:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Uber, User:Peltoms is a professional glaciologist...you can request assistance directly on his talkpage, but he is an infrequent participant at times due to his work. He was instrumental in bringing Retreat of glaciers since 1850 to FA status.--MONGO 16:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the information, MONGO. ~ UBeR 19:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Could someone look at Nisqually Glacier
I saw these changes which said that the Nisqually Glacier "is advancing at the rate of 18 feet per year". I found it incredible so I did a little reading. I didn't find any source describing such advancing but I found a few which described a thickening of 18 feet per year. They referenced the same abstract in the Washington Geology Journal. I added these detail to the article here. The abstract predicted that the glacier would begin advancing in this decade. This is the opposite of everything I have read about glaciers in Washington State. If you are familiar with recent writings on the Nisqually Glacier could you review the facts in the article. Thanks, PatLeahy (talk) 18:20, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Argentina-Perito Moreno-Glacier.jpg
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Organization of glaciation
Hey, guys. I was trying to organize the articles on Wikipedia that deal with historical glaciation into a list. You can see what I've got here. You can read more details and help expand at the subpage. Thanks for any help. ~ UBeR (talk) 23:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Hellloooooo
Hi, does anyone work with this project anymore? Anyway, I've got a rather ambitious project going at Quaternary glaciation. Check it out. This is a very important topic (our current ice age--what could be more relevant to this WikiProject?). Because of such an important topic, I would like to get this article to FA, or at least GA! But I can't do that without your help! A lot has already been done, but there's more work to do. Help me in getting this important article to FA status, will ya? ~ UBeR (talk) 01:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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Arctic Portal and WikiProject?
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List of icefields and glaciers in the Pacific Ranges
Or, though much larger List of icefields and glaciers in the Coast Mountains. But actually there are almost no named glaciers in the Kitimat Ranges so the only two subranges where such a list need apply, and because of the preponderance of icemasses in both cases, List of icefields and glaciers in the Boundary Ranges and its Pacific Ranges counterpart seem more suitable. I decided it was time to start a list, as I just created Pemberton Icefield and only one major icefield in the Pacific Ranges yet needs an article/stub, which I'll get to next (Monarch Icefield). The main icefields from north to south are: Various glaciers and smaller icefields have named articles already, some yet to be made are Ipsoot Glacier (usually called an icefield, but "Glacier" officially), Spearhead Glacier, Misty Icefield, Place Glacier, Overseer Icefield (according to bivouac.com part of the Pemberton Icefield, but by that logic the Compton Neve would be part of the Lillooet Icecap), the Powder Mountain Icefield (ditto).Skookum1 (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Monarch Icefield
 * Ha-Iltzuk Icefield ("Silverthrone Icefield" and "Klinaklini Icefield" in older times)
 * Waddington Range - not really an icefield, but a complex of glaicers
 * Homathko Icefield
 * Lillooet Icecap
 * Compton Neve
 * Pemberton Icefield

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Are maps to be considered primary or secondary sources?
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Coordinates format
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Glaciers and Ice Streams
There are some major problems with lists of Antarctic glaciers and ice streams. I have added a few things called ice streams to the List_of_glaciers and a few things called glaciers to the list of ice streams. I did this when editing the page on Pine Island Glacier (Which is the biggest of the West Antarctic Ice Streams). These things cannot be separated by their names, it is just not correct to do it that way. We might as well have separate lists of ice streams or glaciers depending on whether they start with the letter A-R or S-Z. As you can see having one of the largest ice streams in the world defined as a glacier and not an ice stream just because of its name is not helpful. I could spend some time tidying this up if requested but it is difficult to get good comprehensive references so may take some time.

Polargeo (talk) 11:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

List of glaciers
I have proposed a split of List of glaciers. See Talk:List of glaciers. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 12:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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Jakobshavn
Please take time to have a look at Jakobshavn Isbræ someone is trying to rename it by its Greenlandic name Sermeq Kujalleq. Wikipedia guidelines say "If a native name has a common English-language equivalent, the English version takes precedence." Even worse it may end up being named Illulisat Glacier, a name which is not generally used for the glacier at all. Polargeo (talk) 07:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the issue has been resolved for the time being. Thanks to peltoms and NJGW for having a look at the article. I think the work done on Jakobshavn Isbræ during this debate probably raises it to a B rating. I'll have a think, but go and have a look and see what you think. Polargeo (talk) 17:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Ice calving
Hi foks. I just created Ice calving. If anyone has time to give it a look-over, that would be great. I was slightly toasted when I made it and I'm sure it's full of errors. I searched the topic on Wiki first, but am not sure if there isn't already an article that covers this. If you know, please advise. Finally, there are about 300 articles that refer to 'calving' (excluding helping out pregnant cows). If you would be so kind and have a few minutes, linking a few here and there would be very helpful. Thanks all. Oh yeah, I didn't add anything about global warming in the article. Please feel free.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Good work creating this. I was always unsatisfied linking to a disambig page but couldn't be bothered to sort it out! Please don't put anything about global warming into the article, there are plenty of people doing that around here and the article really doesn't need it. Polargeo (talk) 11:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you kindly. I was kind of joking about the global warming thing. Unless it becomes part of the forthcoming calving law I can't see a place for it. Also, I think I got most of the links for calving, calve, and calved. There were probably only about 60. Cheers!--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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New proposed infobox
I thought it would be good to add some new features to the glacier infobox (similar to the new mountain infobox). I have a new proposed glacier infobox, whose code is at Infobox glacier/sandbox, and you can see testcases at Infobox glacier/testcases. The top test case is trying to reproduce the existing infobox using the core infobox template. The bottom test case shows off the new features: new parameters include
 * other_name (optional second name)
 * image_size
 * image_alt
 * using a map with a marker automatically placed
 * many adjustable map parameters (including map_size and map_caption)
 * reference for coordinates
 * filling in map_caption with location field

Suggestions and code edits welcome. If there is a consensus, we can copy the sandbox over to the main infobox, and I'll update the documentation. —hike395 (talk) 05:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ --- No comments after a week, so I went ahead and updated the infobox —hike395 (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I modified Hike395's version slightly. Same parameters etc. Mostly just got obsessive on it. I did add two alternative parameters. I added photo_width and map_width since it is the width of the images that is being specified. – droll   &#91;chat&#93;  21:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

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Ice XI
According to Ice article, Ice XI is found naturally occurring in Antarctica, yet, this form of ice does not have an article. It seems that it is a rather important form of ice, and should have an article, as the other three naturally occurring forms (on Earth) have articles (amorphous ice, Ice Ic, Ice Ih). 65.94.45.160 (talk) 12:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
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Ablation textures
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Glaciers of Georgia
Hi Materialscientist

Yeterday I corect some your article about Glaciers of Georgia, I didn't know about this "talk page" otherwise I send you a message here I Apologize for rough intervening.

I am Levan Tielidze, Glaciologist, from Georgia (Caucasus Region). I want to tell you that, this information which you have, about "Glaciers of Georgia", is very old. We have new research and new statistic about "Glaciers of Georgia". Also few month ago published my new monograph "Glaciers of Georgia" I am sending you some new information and if you not will be against we can change this old information.

For more information about our research you can see this links:

https://glaciologygeorgia.wordpress.com/people/

http://geography.tsu.ge/index.php?id=255&lang=eng

http://rp.tsu.ge/index.php?option=com_tsulib&view=perscv&Itemid=110&id=7007350&lang=en-GB

https://www.academia.edu/9286327/Glaciers_of_Georgia-_The_New_Monograph

And its new text:

The spatial distribution of contemporary glaciers in the territory of Georgia is stipulated by the peculiarities of atmospheric processes, morphological-morphometric conditions of the relief and their interaction. Main centers of glaciation are related to the elevated Greater Caucasus watershed range and Kazbegi massif. Individual centers can be found in the Greater Caucasus branch ranges: Bzipi, Kodori, Samegrelo, Svaneti, Lechkhumi, Pirikita, etc. According to the data of 2015 there are 637 glaciers in Georgia with a total area of 355.80 sq. km. Contemporary glaciers are mainly concentrated in the Enguri, Rioni, Kodori and Tergi River basins, where there are the peaks of 4500 m and higher. 89.32% of the amount and 97.15% of the area of glaciers of Georgia are located in these basins. Contemporary glaciers are unevenly distributed between the different river basins. Here the leading place belongs to the Enguri River basin; 42.22% of the total number of the glaciers of Georgia is the share of it, as well as 62.78% of the total area of the glaciers of Georgia is a share of the Enguri River basin. Except the Enguri River basin the shares of the other river basins in the total number of the glaciers of Georgia are distributed as follows: the Kodori River basin – 22.76 %; the Rioni River basin – 15.22 %; the Tergi River basin - 9.10 %; the Pirikita Alazani River basin – 3.19 %; the Bzipi River basin – 2.82 %; the Liakhvi River basin – 1.56 % and the Khobistskali River basin – 1.41 %. As for the basins of the rivers of Arghuni, Asa, Aragvi and Kelasuri, their joint share is 1.72% of the total number of the glaciers of Georgia. Except the Enguri River basin the shares of the other river basins in the total area of the glaciers of Georgia are distributed as follows: the Rioni River basin – 13.11 %; the Kodori River basin – 11.25 %; the Tergi River basin – 9.99 %; the Bzipi River basin – 1.12 %; the Pirikita Alazani River basin – 0.68 %. As for the basins of the rivers of Liakhvi, Asa, Khobistskali, Arghuni, Aragvi and Kelasuri, their joint share is 1.07 % of the total area of the glaciers of Georgia. Great Georgian scientist Vakhushti Bagrationi gives the first scientific information on the glaciers of Georgia in the beginning of the 18th century. [“There are big mountains, which have the Caucasus to the North from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea, the height of which is of one day walking and the highest of it is permanently frosty, the length of the ice is of k-l arm, and in summer it breaks and, if a man stays there, he cannot endure the cold even for a little time; and under it the rivers flow, and the ice is green and red, as  a rock due to its age”]. After almost hundred years the foreign scientists began to describe the glaciers of Georgia. Information about the glaciers of Georgia can be found in the works of G. Abikh (1865), G. Radde (1873), N. Dinik (1884), I. Rashevskii (1904), etc. This information is related to the individual glaciers and mostly is of descriptive nature. However, their findings greatly assist us in determining the dynamics of the individual glaciers. In the years of 1880-1910 the topographical surveying of the Greater Caucasus was carried out. On the basis of the created maps K. I. Podozerskiy (1911) compiled the first detailed catalogue of the glaciers, which still has not lost its importance, but it must be mentioned, that the errors were made during its compilation. A. L. Reinhardt (1916, 1917) noted these errors further, who compiled the new catalogue for many glacial basins of the investigated region and defined the location of the snow line. The research conducted by A. Reinhardt is of high quality and more reliable by its scientific value in comparison with its previous researchers. Interesting researches were conducted by F. Rutkovskaia (1936) in connection with the 2nd International Polar Year. In 1932-1933 the glaciations of the Enguri River was studied and the dynamics (in the one-year period) of the individual glaciers were identified. In 1959 P. A. Ivankov gave us the total number and area of glaciers of the study area based on the new topographic maps and the aeroimages of 1946. In the same year P. Kovalev (1961) described in details the glaciers and carried out their labeling. Much work has been conducted by D. Tsereteli for the study of the glaciers of Georgia, who in 1937 together with Al. Aslanikashvili surveyed several glaciers and in 1963 gave us the dynamics of the glaciers during the period of 1937-1960. Particularly should be mentioned the great and versatile work, which was done by the Glaciological Laboratory of Vakhushti Bagrationi Institute of Geography, the multiannual work of which is summarized in the 1975 year’s edition of the Catalogue of Glaciers, as well as by the Hydrographical Division of the Hydro-Meteorological Department, which published the work about the Glaciers of the Greater Caucasus (Editors: V. Tsomaia and E. Drobishev, 1970). It should be also noted the many years research of various glaciers in the major river basins by R. Gobejishvili. It can be considered his honor that after the 1990s the glaciological studies have not been stopped in Georgia. L. Maruashvili, D. Ukleba. T. Kikalishvili, G. Kurdghelaidze, D. Tabidze, R. Khazaradze, O. Nikolaishvili, V. Tsomaia, O. Drobishevi, R. Shengelia, R. Gobejishvili, K. Mgeladze, T. Lashkhi, Sh. Inashvili, N. Golodovskaia, L. Serebryannii, A. Orlov, O. Nadirashvili, N. Zakarashvili, A. Rekhviashvili, O. Samadbegishvili and others studied the glaciers of Georgia according to the river basins. Glacial-geomorphological works were being carried out from 1968 (R. Gobejishvili). The largest glaciers of the different river basins were surveyed by the photo-theodolite method, such as: Zopkhito-Laboda, Kirtisho, Brili, Chasakhtomi, Edena, Khvargula, Boko, Buba, Tbilisa, Adishi, Chalaati, Dolra, Kvishi, Ladevali, Shkhara, Namkvani, Koruldashi, Marukhi, Klichi and the cirque type glaciers of the Klichi basin. Today in Georgia the Vakhushti Bagrationi Institute of Geography is the only facility, which scientifically researchs the Caucasus glaciers. Glaciology group, led by Levan Tielidze every year conducts Glaciological expeditions to the Caucasus glaciers  in different river basins of.

Reference: Levan Tielidze - "Glaciers of Georgia" 2014. Monograph. 254 p. Publishing house "Color". Tbilisi

If you have some question please send me on this email: levan.tielidze@tsu.ge I hope everything will be fine Regards Levan Tielidze Ivane Javakhishvili Tbilisi State University Vakhushti Bagrationi Institute of Geography Department of Geomorphology Glaciology Group — Preceding unsigned comment added by Levani.tielidze (talk • contribs) 02:19, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * (above message appears to address you but you weren't linked/pinged). &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 22:48, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

List of glaciers in Greenland
I'd like to improve List of glaciers in Greenland. I'm looking for some source that has a list of Greenland's biggest glaciers and their coords. Can anyone help? Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:39, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A cursory glance and found the following [pubs.usgs.gov/pp/p1386c/p1386c.pdf]. Will look around for more as that one is 20 years old. Sometimes if we know the names we can query that alone as usually surveys of current conditions are limited to just a handful of glaciers at a time. The remoteness and difficult access has made research of these glaciers much less expansive than in more accessible regions. A worthwhile endeavor for you I might think.--MONGO 09:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * MONGO! You are a good digger! I found that too and converted the pdf to png for upload but the quality was too bad. I'm starting to reconsider the project because the images at commons are not quite abundant enough. There are few images of glacier that don't already have articles. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:43, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well..Will look around for more...might be awhile.--MONGO 00:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean lists with coords or photos of glaciers? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:13, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm limited to a degree by whatever I can scope out on the web. Google Scholar likely has some more updates as far as information. I cheated on some articles I wrote on glaciers outside the U.S. by using Google earth to place coordinates. Outside of Europe and North America or possibly Antarctic regions it seems  coordinates are hard to come by any other way.  Give me a couple days and I'll post here or the List talkpage.--MONGO 02:31, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thank you kindly. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Seeking glacial ice advice
I was recently in Antarctica and photographed this piece of ice. It was explained to me that it was created in a high-density environment and may be quite "old", based on the details of the ridges (at 100% magnification) and the clarity. It was recently suggested by a WP editor that it may be glacial blue ice. Can anyone offer any additional information? Many thanks in advance.--Godot13 (talk) 20:15, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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I'm attempting to expand category tree integration on Commons of categories for Alaska glaciers. The category https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Foster_Glacier_(Alaska) was created in June 2018 and I found no clear information as to its exact location. The content in that category consists of several photos taken in the late 1890s by Eric A. Hegg describing the glacier as being near Skagway. The article Taku Glacier says that it was known as Foster Glacier at the time. A search at USGS also turned up a Foster Glacier in the Yukon alongside the watershed of the Donjek River. Given the uncertainty about the Canada-U.S. border at the time and the ongoing Klondike Gold Rush, it's anyone's guess as to which of the two glaciers it really is. Any help is straightening this out would be appreciated. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 11:44, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Taking a stab at this: I know there is a Mount Foster north of Skagway. I believe a portion of the northern slope of the mountain is currently in Canada while the peak and the southern slope and most of the east and west slope is located in Alaska. You are correct in that the area in question has been officially and unofficially switched between countries several times. I'll try to reach out to those I know in the area and see if anything rings true with them but I'm willing to bet it has something to do with a glacier in the vicinity of this mountain that is no longer recognized due to its extreme location. -- A Rose Wolf ( Talk ) 15:56, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

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Cirque
This article has me scratching my head for a couple of reasons. What's the scope of the article, the glacial landform, or the French term? And is it a "vital" article, or a "low-importance" one -- or somehow both? Thanks in advance for any assistance. 109.255.211.6 (talk) 15:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It should be about the landform. It is a low "importance" article according to several projects but for Wikipedia in general a level-5 vital article in Science, Earth science.--MONGO (talk) 20:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That was my view on the scope, though I was rather hoping for input at (or indeed in) the article rather than just a binary flag here. Albeit I neglected to say so in terms.
 * On the low-importance vitalness, you're restating the status quo, without really explaining it, I think. Just a difference of opinion between the WPJs and WPiG?  A case of falling between three stools?  109.255.211.6 (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The cirque article is clearly about the glacial landform. Volcanoguy 18:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Level-5 vital is not really vital at all, but it might have been more than low-importance for some project. Normally if I myself have heard of a topic from outside my research it should at least be a mid importance, as there are millions of topics that I have never heard of before. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:16, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

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