Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guitarists/Archive 5

ESP Guitars
Most of the ESP Guitars pages for individual makes of guitars have been proposed for deletion. See Category:Proposed_deletion_as_of_30_July_2009. Fences &amp;  Windows  00:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Likely no debate over that. They were all quite bleak. The Real Libs-speak politely 15:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Bad linking practices: infoboxes and common terms
I'm sure it's no secret that popular music articles, many of which contain references to guitars, are badly overlinked. Common term and generalised linking is now not the normal practice, and need specific rationale. This includes the linking of the general common terms such as "guitar", "singer", "songwriter", "author", "poet", "activist", whether in main text or the infobox.

Unfortunately, User:Wether B, a member of this Wikiproject, has been reverting my link audits WRT infoboxes. The reasons given have ranged from:
 * "that's the way it's done everywhere" (I note that bad grammar can be found everywhere);
 * "saves linking in the main text if it's linked in the infobox" (if it's not good link in the main text, why in the infobox?); and
 * "we don't want to have to change hundreds of thousand of articles" (so nothing can ever change on a wiki, even through gradualist gnoming?)

There is also a sense that infoboxes should be carpeted blue for aesthetic reasons: the last is clearly an abuse of wikilinking, which loses its effect if every word is blue. Infoboxes are, in any case, a mixture of black and blue, and always will be. The question becomes to what extent the useful links should stand out rather than being swamped.

A related issue is the style-guide rule discouraging adjacent links, and encouraging specific linking. "Guitar" would be much better unlinked at the top, and if the artist played a certain type of guitar, Guitar is the better target, in the appropriate section. This is what would help the readers, not a formulaic carpet-bombing of infoboxes with double square brackets. Times have changed.

Apart from going against WP:LINK, this practice is diluting the many important, valuable links in popular culture articles. I ask that Wether B cease and desist from apparently stalking (?) me and reverting the infobox parts of link audits. Tony  (talk)  02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't know that link violations like those were so prevalent on wikipedia. I'm sorry to hear about that. I wish the best of luck to you while dealing with this. Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  03:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * User Wether B is absolutely correct on this right now. There has been no discussion put forth (as suggested to Tony1) at the musician project over whether to change the formatting of the infobox and not link and of the words included in the box. This project page is not the place to bring up that proposal. The Musician project page is the place to bring the discussion. Aussie Ausborn (talk) 03:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Further to that. If you refer to Template:Infobox musical artist you will see that Wether B is following the layout for the infobox field as given by the WP:MUSICIAN infobox rules page. Aussie Ausborn (talk) 03:20, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Can someone explain how those links are "helpful"? Just because it is the "done thing" doesn't mean it is right. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Ausborn, they are examples only, and do not have the status of a Manual of Style. As well as raising the matter at WikiProject Musicians and WikiProject Popular Culture, I have proposed at Template talk:Infobox musical artist that the examples be updated. But again, examples are just that: a subset of possibilities. We need to bring the discussion forward to the substantive issues of (1) compliance with WP:LINKING, and (2) optimising the wikilinking system for our readers. Tony   (talk)  04:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comparing the work it would take to remove a few blue links that aren't hurting anything and the work needed to do something important like revert vandals or add references the vandal reverts and referencing would be a much better contribution to Wikipedia. I don't think it is worth a special edit just remove a blue link. For most of the fields in question it is only 2 words. It would be an edit that a BOT should do. If it can be automated then that would be the best solution. But for an individual editor to attempt to go through and do them all would be very time consuming. It would build up the user's edit count but it wouldn't be anything the benefits Wikipedia to a great extent. I agree with the earlier point that deciding between what words are common and what words aren't is a pov edit so if it is going to be done to one blue link it must be done to all of them. And can a BOT distinguish a piped link and remove the brackets and the piped section properly. All record labels are piped links. If we remove all the blue links all of these piped label links could cause a snag. Fair Deal (talk) 17:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No one is proposing a mega-scale working bee to remove just a few links, as you appear to assume. What is at issue is that when an article is audited for linking, regular editors do not become upset that the removal of a few links in the infobox is somehow a breach of rules. On the contrary, it is a compliance with the style guides. Tony   (talk)  03:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Fender Telecasters and Stratocasters
I've created a couple of navboxes and categories - Category:Fender Stratocasters and Category:Fender Telecasters, Template:Fender Stratocaster, Template:Fender Telecaster and Template:Fender guitars. Seemed like a good idea at the time. -- Bobyllib (talk) 00:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it was a good idea for you to do that as well. Kudos. Backtable Speak to Me  about what I have done  02:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The notification wasn't so much seeking kudos as seeking input from others - went a bit hyper on the creating front, then realised I don't really know enough about Fenders to do it entirely on my own, and remembered there was a wikiproject for that sort of thing... -- Bobyllib (talk) 13:08, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Bob Marley GAR notification
Bob Marley has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. The Real Libs-speak politely 13:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Project Refresh
Hey everyone -- I'm going to be active again and I'd like to get this project cleaned up and organized. Is anyone interested in helping? To start, we need to
 * Clean out stale entries in the Open Tasks template here. If something has been lingering in there for months or years unaddressed, or it has been addressed, let's get it out.
 * Volunteer:


 * Clean out Peer Review and Article requests, removing old requests and copying newer requests in the Open Tasks.
 * Volunteer:


 * Look at Category:Guitarists articles needing attention to see if those articles even belong in that category.
 * Volunteer:


 * Clean out the Member list, removing Inactive members so we can send out a fresh newsletter to active members.
 * Volunteer:


 * Have an assessment drive to clean out Category:Unassessed guitarist articles.
 * Volunteer:

Anyone want to volunteer to take on any of these tasks? I will put my name by the first one. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk  15:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Help requested at Jon Butcher
Hello, recently a conflict of interest notice was posted regarding the Jon Butcher article. It was determined that the article was being edited by either Jon or someone close to him. On the talk page, Jon himself stated that it was a "friend and associate" of his that had made the edits. Later, on his own talk page Jon asked me for help developing the article. He is certainly a notable person, but his article is in bad shape and I wanted to see if anyone here would be willing to help clean it up. Thank you. --  At am a  頭 00:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Does he seem receptive to it being edited? Obviously the tone needs work, but at a quick glance, some stuff will probably need to be pulled out. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk  03:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only is he receptive, he offered to give me music if I helped fix the article (which I'm not interested in by the way). Here is what he said on his talk page:
 * "In any case I am quite prepared to either start over from scratch [with your desperately needed assistance] OR simply re-craft what's already there into 'Wikik-spec', again with your explicit guidance. My only interest was and is one of accuracy and thoroughness. Though much of my history is Google-able I do consider myself a forthright and reliable source where factual data is concerned. If the text that's there is too worthy i'm certain your guiding hand would make the difference in short order." --  At am a  頭 18:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Buckethead Task Force
I can't make heads or tails of this group that appeared and added things to all of our templates. It looks like a handful of editors working on these articles, but most of them seemed to have retired or been banned. Does anyone object to removing this group from all of the general Guitarist templates and lists? --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk  17:25, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a quick comment. I had the Buckethead pages on my watchlist and saw the {historical} tag added to them. I have no issues with that. I was invited to join that project. But I opted to be an honoured guest and offered some vandal hunting skills to the regular members. I think the task force was set up by User:HexaChord because the artist is quite prolific in his recorded output (27 albums in one year alone, I think) and HexaChord just wanted to get a few people together to help keep track of all those albums to make sure the quality was maintained and that there was consistency among all the album pages. Like most projects or task forces it started off with a lot a dedicated work. But after the initial jumpstart all interest died off. I am sure any Buckethead fan would probably have all his pages on their watchlists regardless of whether there was a task force or not. As for HexaChord, he eventually let the more frustrating aspects of Wikipedia get to him. He purposely sabotaged himself by vandalising and creating obvious sockpuppet accounts to cause mayhem on a few pages. He was indefinitely blocked. Which is a shame because he was a very good editor and had over 29000 edits to his name before he went off his nut. The Buckethead task force can now sleep peacefully. Hope that helps. The Real Libs-speak politely 18:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That is indeed unfortunate. I always like to see someone enthusiastically pursuing their favorite subject material. Rather than deleting/removing it, I'm going to leave it marked inactive for a while in case anyone steps up and wants to take it over. No harm in that. Thanks for the feedback Libs. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk  18:51, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Assessment
Well, I've plugged away a couple of nights this week and dropped the list from 490 down to 190. If I get back before the weekend I will try and clean-up the rest. Cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 00:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Uncategorized list is now down to zero. I will talk time next login session to review some of the A, B, C and GA rated articles to make sure they conform with their rating. Cheers and take care! Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 20:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome news! I am just back from a week-long trip and getting back into the swing of things. A lot of articles seem to be unwatched and a lot of babysitting is needed as always. --<b style="color:#6666FF;">Spike Wilbury</b> <b style="color:#000000;">♫</b> talk  17:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Removal of reviews from the album infobox
This is a notification of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums regarding the removal of reviews from the album infobox. The discussion has reached consensus to remove the reviews, though is still accepting further input into the matter. We are especially requiring more discussion on what steps to take next. Your input would be appreciated on what is a matter that will affect a lot of music articles. kiac. ( talk - contrib ) 09:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

WP 1.0 bot announcement
This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 03:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Request for comment on Biographies of living people
Hello Wikiproject! Currently there is a discussion which will decide whether wikipedia will delete 49,000 articles about a living person without references, here:

Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Since biographies of living people covers so many topics, many wikiproject topics will be effected.

The two opposing positions which have the most support is:
 * 1) supports the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, User:Jehochman
 * 2) opposes the deletion of unreferenced articles about a living person, except in limited circumstances, User:Collect

Comments are welcome. Keep in mind that by default, editor's comments are hidden. Simply press edit next to the section to add your comment.

Please keep in mind that at this point, it seems that editors support deleting unreferenced BLP articles if they are not sourced, so your project may want to source these articles as soon as possible. See the next, message, which may help.

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 * List of cleanup articles for your project

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 * Moving unreferenced blp articles to a special "incubation pages"

If you are interested in watchlisting all of the unreferenced articles once you install Cleanup_listings, contact me, User talk:Ikip
 * Watchlisting all unreferenced articles

Ikip 05:16, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Sakis Rouvas?
Hello, I feel that Sakis Rouvas is in too many irrelevant wikiprojects and I have identified yours as possibly being one. Could someone familiar with the scope of this project please read through the article and decide whether it fits or not? If it doesn't please remove the project banner. Thanks. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 20:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Whether or not he is a guitarist, that probably isn't the most notable aspect of him. I wouldn't mind him being deleted from the wikiproject, along with a few others. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 03:13, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Jeff Hanneman
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Jeff Hanneman/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
Okip  00:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

You have a new article within your wikiproject...
Desiree Bassett. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 07:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons update
The WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons (UBLPs) aims to reduce the number of unreferenced biographical articles to under 30,000 by June 1, primarily by enabling WikiProjects to easily identify UBLP articles in their project's scope. There were over 52,000 unreferenced BLPs in January 2010 and this has been reduced to 32,665 as of May 16. A bot is now running daily to compile a list of all articles that are in both Category:All unreferenced BLPs and have been tagged by a WikiProject. Note that the bot does NOT place unreferenced tags or assign articles to projects - this has been done by others previously - it just compiles a list.

Your Project's list can be found at WikiProject Guitarists/Unreferenced BLPs. As of May 17 you have approximately 73 articles to be referenced, a 15.1% reduction from last week. Great work! The list of all other WikiProject UBLPs can be found at WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons/WikiProjects.

Your assistance in reviewing and referencing these articles is greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, please don't hestitate to ask either at WT:URBLP or at my talk page. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 18:11, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to help out
I want to help with this project, can anyone give me an idea as to where I should start/how to get involved? SwampAshSpecial (talk) 19:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes! The articles listed at WikiProject Guitarists/Unreferenced BLPs need references added to them. If you have any questions see WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons or feel free to drop me a line. J04n(talk page) 19:48, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Afd nomination of Eva Fampas

 * Articles for deletion/Eva Fampas

The article seems to make claims of notability but has been challenged as unreferenced since October 2007, and I can't find any reliable coverage. Happy to withdraw nomination if anyone else can. --Deskford (talk) 10:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)--Deskford (talk) 10:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)