Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gymnastics/Archive 1

Thoughts
A few things:
 * First, props to starting this, it's long overdue.
 * I object to including cheerleading in this, especially after looking at the many articles in the cheerleading category that are irrelevant to gymnastics, and more relevant to the sports project . I'm willing to look past that though, esp. since the creator appears to be a one.
 * I've removed Mass games from the project, as it is a performing-arts exhibition, and is way too much of a stretch to justify including in the gymnastics category. I'd like to try to stick with the fundamentals of the sport, and the articles directly related to it, as many need all the attention they can get before they're deleted. I also removed Equestrian vaulting, because it's already in the Equestrian project and, in all practicality, would detract from progress on gymnastics articles.
 * There are a lot of organizational inconsistencies, for example, the Artistic gymnastics category only lists a few athletes, mostly women. If we have other categories listing all gymnasts, why have it at all?
 * Also, why doesn't the Gymnast article exist in a list format/why isn't the title "List of gymnasts"? Doesn't this overlap with the one above?


 * The tone and the majority of pictures in the article portray gymnastics as a female sport for young children. Considering it's one of the most difficult sports, and men play a large role, I think we should try to get as many quality photos to include as possible. More of men (in the men's section) couldn't hut either.
 * That's all for now, feel free to respond, but let's work on getting a lot more users involved (hopefully some men as well), and improving the two main articles: Artistic gymnastics, and gymnastics. Thanks. DMCer (talk) 05:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd also like to say hello. You have some great ideas! I'm glad this project exists.


 * I agree that I don't think cheerleading should be included in this. At most, I think the scope of the project should be the disciplines recognized by the FIG, with artistic and rhythmic taking top priority.


 * We definitely need to work on getting photos. Most of the ones uploaded to articles here are deleted, and there really doesn't seem to be a way to get free use ones. How to deal with this...I do not know.


 * More fact checking/objectivity on gymnasts' pages. A number of the pages have statements such as "a lot of fans thought Gymnast X should have won the gold." I think talking about official score protests and reactions is fine (ie the 2004 incident where the crowd booed about Alexei Nemov's HB score for 15 minutes, or the cases where gymnasts have taken their medals off to protest) but some of the other remarks toe the line of POV. Getting references and footnotes for some articles would be swell too. DanielEng (talk) 05:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * First, If you don't think Cheerleading is relevant, go ahead and remove it. Its not a big deal.


 * Photos are an issue. I've searched commons, and found pretty much the same images, and nothing special. If anyone is going to a meet, take lots of pictures, I'm sure some of them will be okay.


 * There are several requested articles, if anyone has specific knowledge or just cares to try and tackle them, that would be great.

 Maddie talk 17:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Gymnast Infobox
Hello all. :) I have been bold and created an infobox for gymnastics biographical articles. I would appreciate any and all feedback on it, including changes and corrections. I took the basic fields from the FIG profiles and the one on the Nastia Liukin article, as well as pulling ones from other athlete infoboxes. I tried to be as thorough as possible, but I'm sure that I've left some things out. :) I have put together some samples of how the infobox currently looks at User:Kolindigo/Gymnastics Infobox Test.

I would like to start implementing the infobox on gymnastics biographies in about a week to give it time to settle in and get the kinks knocked out before the Olympics. Please come by, take a look, and make any changes you think would help. Kolindigo (talk) 05:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Kolindigo, I was just thinking of creating a gymnast infobox! I was looking at the infoboxes used for swimmers (see Michael Phelps for a sample), but yours looks very similar and great!  I especially like the show/collapse button for the medal record.


 * I'm sure there will be tweaks and additions, but I say we should start implementing these! Skeetidot (talk) 16:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, we should start to implement them. I'll try, but i might mess it up. :P  Maddie  talk 17:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The design is based on the swimmer infobox, which I think is a great design. :) I stole the code and tweaked it. Kolindigo (talk) 18:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This is an awesome infobox. I've already started adding it to articles; I'm trying to get to the most prominent gymnasts first and then work through the years. The two things I'd like to run by everyone:

--Height should be nixed from the infobox, simply because it changes. For Nadia, for instances, do we add her 1976 competition height or 1980? Et al. --For level, I'd suggest just "senior international" instead of "senior international elite" because elite is mostly a U.S. term. Senior International gets the idea across without that.

At any rate, it's really nice to see this Wikiproject active again. DanielEng (talk) 04:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think height might be more important for gymnasts who are currently competing and so have an "official height". When a gymnast is/was growing noticably during the height of her career, maybe it should be noted in the article and left blank in the infobox? Kolindigo (talk) 05:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And, if it's okay, I'd like to move the discussion on the music from my talk page. :) The FIG profile leaves room for more than one music choice. If there is more than one music selection, I think we should list all of them, and if there are specific years, then list them, too. But I don't know. Is music choice major enough that it should have its own table in the article? How often do gymansts change their music? If it's often enough, then I do think taking it out of the infobox would be good, because it would take up too much space. But if it's only one or two selections, then I think it would fit. Thoughts? Kolindigo (talk) 06:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries at all. :) Those are good points about the FIG profiles. These days it seems as though gymnasts change their FX every two years or so, but I think it's very variable with the gymnasts. On the one hand, we have gymnasts like Dina Kochetkova who kept the same music for years, but then what do we do with someone like Oksana Chusovitina, who has been in the sport for 20 years and has like 15 different pieces FX music?


 * An alternative I'd like to suggest is to expand on what is done in some gymnasts' articles and put the music in the skills section. If there's already a rundown of all the gymnasts' tumbling and floor skills, it seems as though mentioning the music would be a good idea there. Oksana C. above already has this in her article; Andreea Raducan is another who does. What do you think?DanielEng (talk) 15:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I like that idea of keeping the music in the same place as the floor skills. Or if there are a lot of music selections, maybe put it just below the skills section. Kolindigo (talk) 12:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me, and I've been applying it to any gymnastics-bio-stub that's missing a defaultsort and all the British gymnasts, too. Only comment I'd make is that it's not clear what all the fields are for (should the discipline be Artisitic/Trampolining/Rythmic/etc. as an example) -- Ratarsed (talk) 10:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Discipline parameter
I've opened a discussion on a possible enhancement to simplify/improve consistency of the "discipline" parameter over at Template talk:Infobox Gymnast Feel free to add your opinions and thoughts on this or other improvements -- ratarsed (talk) 11:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Terms glossary
Hey, all. I've created List of gymnastics terms. It's pretty bare bones right now. Please help fill it in. :) Kolindigo (talk) 15:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Great stuff. I've added a few terms here and there and will be returning. :) DanielEng (talk) 18:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

reporting for duty
I joined. I'm a male ex-gymnast.TCO (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I advise writing some sort of a general statement of what is wanted and getting some of the blogs (gymnast.com and gymnastics coaching and such) to do a news item. That will get you some helpers.TCO (talk) 00:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

--

Hello - I have just joined too - I'm quite well known on GymWorld & am a moderator there. I have just done some research on the GBR team to the Sydney Games - please see if it is ok. (?)

I was thinking about the photo issue and I think perhaps we should approach a photographer who might post a lot on a messageboard and see whether they would be prepared to allow us to use a photograph that they have taken ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heathcliffe (talk • contribs) 11:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC) --Heathcliffe (talk) 15:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

DanielEng just messaged me and suggest that I join. Never involved in gymnastics other than being a big fan and following closely since 1995. Done some work on it already on here, much of which I link to on my user page. Dunno about how much more I'll get done, but we'll see. If anybody has comments/criticism on my work or has suggestions about where to go from here (I have some ideas but they are awfully ambitious and I don't know how much of them I'll bear into fruition) please let me know. Cheers,   Miloluvr (talk) 08:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Pacific Rim Championships
I've started an article on PAC, since it seems to be the last major meet (besides Euros) without an article. I'm having a hard time scrounging up references thus far, so please come by, contribute, expand, etc. etc. :) DanielEng (talk) 04:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Importance scale
I'm initiating a discussion on the importance scale at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gymnastics/Assessment -- I guess it makes sense to come up with some guidelines before attacking the plethora of unassessed and untagged articles -- ratarsed (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar
This wikiproject has gotten much more active in the past several weeks. If someone is good at wiki-code and could make a better barnstar, that would be great.

I don't know what to write, I've never made one of these before. Maddie talk 00:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

We're famous!
And also probably in for a lot of vandalism on He Kexin and Jiang Yuyan, thanks to the New York Times. We should probably all keep a close eye on those articles as we get closer to the Olympics. Kolindigo (talk) 01:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw that! Very cool. I will put both of those pages on my watchlist. If the vandalism gets out of hand, I'll put in a request for page protection.DanielEng (talk) 03:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And another possible age discrepency to keep an eye on: Yang Yilin, according to the AP. And it seems like they sampled some of age controversies in gymnastics, too. ;) Kolindigo (talk) 15:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Added to the watchlist. It looks as though Sui Lu might be another one lurking, in that AP article, but for now she's an alternate. I'm really proud of all the work everyone here has been doing to keep all these articles reliable and neutral. :) DanielEng (talk) 02:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that another IOC/FIG investigation has again found the He Kexin et al innocent of the underage charge levied by blogger Mike Walker and USOC exec Jim Shurr, is it possible for their wiki pages to relfect some sort of prepondrance re their age, in accordance to BLP? I mean would you like to see your daughter/sister put thru the ringer like this? I hope they never will.
 * Bobby fletcher (talk) 23:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Blue link drive: 2008 Olympic medal contenders/medalists
Hello, all. I'm proposing a blue link drive for gymnasts who will be competing at the 2008 Olympics. We have six days until the Olympics, and I think we should do our best to create articles for medal contenders. Olympians are inherently notable for being Olympians, so ideally we should make articles for every gymnast at the games. But I think the medal contenders in individual events and the all-around and members of medal-contending teams should be the highest priority in article creation. This way, we can make sure the article has an infobox, basic information explaining notability, notable external links like to the FIG profile, and is in the correct categories. We don't want an Olympic medalist to get speedy-deleted for not asserting notability or the article being a blatant copyvio.

As for who are medal contenders, honestly, I think if the question even comes up if someone is or isn't a contender, then make the article. We only need stubs right now with the basic information. The articles can be expanded at any time, and I imagine that during the Olympics, there will be plenty of people working to improve the articles of the medalists.

The infobox is Template:Infobox Gymnast. Feel free to add necessary fields that don't exist yet, or just leave a note here or on the infobox talk page that certain fields are required. Probably the main notable link that every article should have is to the FIG profile. The template is. FIG profiles can easily be found by using the FIG athlete profile search page. I have had problems in the past getting the profile link to open from there, but if you mouse-over the link, you will see the full URL in the status bar, and so all you need to do is note the ID number and add it to the end of the basic FIG URL http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/events/athletes/bio.jsp?ID= to get the full link. Other notable links are sites like official sites and their Olympics profile from their NOC, if one exists.

Other important things are interwiki links and categories. A good way to find interwiki links is to use the interwiki links from the $country at 2008 Summer Olympics page to that country's language. Use the interwiki link from that page and look down to where the gymnastics pictogram is. Categories that should be used for bio aricles are, for example Category:Russian gymnasts. Once the Olympics begin, two other categories that should be added are Category:Gymnasts at the 2008 Summer Olympics and ], for example Category:Olympic gymnasts of Russia.

I don't have a full list in front of me right now with all the gymnasts who have been named to Olympic teams, but I imagine one exists somewhere. ;) I think the only full team (men and women) that has been blue-linked is the American one. I will try to blue-link the remaining Chinese redlinks today. For other high priority ones, maybe look through the 2007 World Artistic Gymnastics Championships and see who still needs to be bluelinked. We should also go through and do a basic cleanup on pages for medal contenders that have already been created, but need an infobox/external link cleanup/or even just a basic sentence stating their gymnastics accomplishments.

Thoughts? Kolindigo (talk) 19:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a good idea. :) Both NBC and IG have the full rosters. The latter is here: . Unfortunately the FIG website seems to be wonky right now, because all the bios are turning up as dead links, but I also notice that they have a special website up for the Olympics. Hopefully it is just temporary but it'd definitely cutting down on available info. In the meantime I've been trying to make my way through the lists and make pages for as many of the gymnasts as I can who do have other info available online--help is needed, most definitely. :) DanielEng (talk) 06:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Portal
I've started a Portal:Gymnastics -- it'd be good to get it a bit more polished, so any feedback and contributions would be appreciated... -- ratarsed (talk) 21:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

What chance is there of an article about the perfect score?
As I am in discussion to move the article about the adult magazine titled Perfect 10 as the score I consider is far more notable, the trouble is that there are users who seem to object to the move, that is because there are no article about it, plus it is difficult to collect every perfect 10 scores there is on the web, as I am interested in a list of gymnasts who achieved that score, which is partly my reason for page move. Also in my opinion, the score is far more notable than both the magazine and the song of the same name.

Should the article about the magazine be moved, feel free to discuss it there and what chance is there about an article and list about the score. Jay Pegg (talk) 16:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea for a page! Maybe we can't (maybe we shouldn't?) get the main direct for Perfect 10 for this article, but we could always get a Perfect 10 (Gymnastics) direct which would register. There I go being naughty! Cheers,   Miloluvr (talk) 08:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I also think that it's a good idea. Currently I am working at a list of romanian artistic gymnasts who scored a perfect 10 (including the competition at which they received it).
 * What do you think about creating a banner (or an image) that could be added on the gymnast page that would suggest that the gymnast scored a perfect 10? And by clicking on the banner one is redirected to a page with a list of gymnasts who scored a perfect 10. (Unfortunately I don't have the skills to do it. )
 * I would also like to participate in the project. I'm working at the biographies of some gymnasts.   Lulubon (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC).

Helpers needed at high-profile articles
I know we all have a lot to do right now, but I'm putting out a call for helpers for our Chinese team articles--specifically He Kexin, Yang Yilin and Jiang Yuyuan, the girls accused of competing under falsified ages. There's been a lot of back-and-forth and POV editing at these articles. He Kexin qualified for IP protection because of all the vandalism but the other two are still getting a lot of hits from IP editors with an axe to grind on one side of the debate or the other. Anyway, please put these pages on your watchlist if you can--it's a lot better if we're all there, than if it's just me reverting all the POV constantly. They're neutral now and they should stay that way. Thanks! DanielEng (talk) 01:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I've given up. After being told that it's sufficient for an article to just mention somebody for it be used as source for cheating, and that my attempts to stick to BLP is actually edit-warring for the second time, I've decided to wash my hands of it all. I'm just going to watch these Olympics, or least just watch them until all the events I enjoy are over with. Kolindigo (talk) 21:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Jiang Yuyuan has now been taken to Administrators' noticeboard -- ratarsed (talk) 21:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank God. This thing needs far more help than one or two editors can give it. DanielEng (talk) 21:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It makes a change form an evening of catsorting ;) -- ratarsed (talk) 21:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


 * This is true. :) DanielEng (talk) 21:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Given the FIG investigation is complete, and they trust the Chinese sources (that they already had), should we now go by their dates? -- ratarsed (talk) 13:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Ratarsed, I hear you. Now that two investigations have concluded, both exhonorating the accused gymnasts - BLP should dictate conclusion by international body take prepondrance over media speculation based on a blog. Bobby fletcher (talk) 19:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Stub sorting
Given the vast number of articles tagged with gymnastics-bio-stub, I've wandered over to WikiProject Stub sorting and proposed splitting by discipline. Hopefully this might make it easier to break the work down on expanding these articles where appropriate. (Usual disclaimer applies -- If you think I've been too WP:BOLD then let me know :) -- ratarsed (talk) 12:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I made a stub on Peter Korman. (I think he deserves a page for medaling in 76 and then for his coaching.) I don't know how to rate the pages (is it ok, to rate my own page as a stub?)  Also, I think that some articles should basically stay "stub-sized". That article needs a little more detail on coaching career and a couple references and will be done.TCO (talk) 17:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Category sorting
What are people's feelings of recategorising (at the 'by country' level) to reflect their discipline? (So Rhythmic gymnasts of Russia, Artistic gymnasts of England, etc.) -- ratarsed (talk) 19:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I don't know. I worry it would be compartmentalizing too much. Right now, how do the WAG/MAG/RG categories look? If there are hundreds of articles in each, I might see categorizing further. Definitely. On a side note, thank you Ratarsed for all the work you do with the cats and articles. :) DanielEng (talk) 22:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The cats for artistic gymnasts/rhythmic gymnasts/trampolinists are sparse to say the least, as most of the general public seem to think gymnastics is just artistic gymnastics - I don't mind doing the categorisation; it can be quite therapeutic after a day in the office, I might be stubsorting the lot anyway, so I'll be passing, so to speak... Either by discipline or by country -- ratarsed (talk) 18:16, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've added infoboxes and cat sorted all those that were in and  as well as a bunch of others. Probably do some more over the next few days... -- ratarsed (talk) 20:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Gymnastics at the 1956 Summer Olympics
Hi, i came across the above article as part of WP:OLY however I unsure about the abbeviations used for the headings "WAG" and "MAG". My guess would be men's/women's all-round gymnastics but i'm not certain. Could someone from this project just take a quick look at it and change those two headings to their unabreviated forms (whatever they may be)? Cheers Basement12 (T.C) 20:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That'd be "Women's Artistic Gymnastics" and "Men's Artistic Gymnastics" respectively -- you may also see RG for Rhythmic Gymnastics or TRA for Trampolining (ACRO for Acrobatic Gymnastics and AER for Aerobic Gymnastics) -- All abbreviations from FIG -- ratarsed (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Acrobatic gymnastics
Is there anyone out there with sufficient knowledge of acrobatic gymnastics to improve our coverage? -- ratarsed (talk) 20:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Kip (Gymnastics)
I thought I would have a quick look at this but soon realised that I could add nothing since I understand Kip as a trampolining term. There is a disambiguation at Kip but Trampolining is now considered to be 'Trampoline Gymnastics' with Gymnastics the umbrella term. Should Kip (Gymnastics), then, either be renamed Kip (Artistic Gymnastics) or the disambiguation removed from Kip and the two Gymnastics interpretations of Kip both dealt with in the Kip (Gymnastics) article? DaveK@BTC (talk) 21:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My preference would be to split to "Kip (artistic gymnastics)" and "Kip (trampolining)", unless they are similar enough to have in a single article (I must admit I didn't advance that far when I was a trampolinist) -- ratarsed (talk) 13:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll do a small piece on Kip (Trampolining) and then edit the disambiguation page to link to it but am a bit of newby when it comes to renaming articles etc... Will somebody else take care of that? DaveK@BTC (talk) 14:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can do -- give me a shout when you're ready; if you aren't feeling adventurous enough yourself :) -- ratarsed (talk) 19:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Done Kip (trampolining) and edited disambiguation page. I'll probably try to do a diagram or something to illustrate later as well. DaveK@BTC (talk) 21:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

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Regarding fictional gymnasts
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Sakis Rouvas?
Hello, I feel that Sakis Rouvas is in too many irrelevant wikiprojects and I have identified yours as possibly being one. Could someone familiar with the scope of this project please read through the article and decide whether it fits or not? If it doesn't please remove the project banner. Thanks. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 20:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

CFD discussion of Category:Gymnasts by century and subcats
See Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 24. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

gymanstics is a sport with no mathematics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.149.243 (talk) 00:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Sports Notability
There is discussion ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:BIO debating possible changes to the WP:ATHLETE notability guideline. As a result, some have suggested using WP:NSPORT as an eventual replacement for WP:ATHLETE. Editing has begun at WP:NSPORT, please participate to help refine the notability guideline for the sports covered by this wikiproject. —Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 03:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD guidelines Gymnastics
Hello. I am just added gymnastics Notability guidelines to WP:NSPORT. Feel free to comment on them on the talk page. This may eventually become guideline, so this is very important (right now it is just an essay). MATThematical (talk) 21:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Portal Total category is up for deletion
Svick (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

someone update the Shawn page please?
It is protected...sigh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.145.33 (talk) 23:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dos Santos (floor)


The article Dos Santos (floor) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * a search for references found no published usage of this performer's name as maneuver. Fails WP:N and WP:V

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Outline of gymnastics
There is no Outline of gymnastics.

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Here's the outline they created: Outline of birds.

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Cheerleading
I think that Cheerleading should have its own WikiProject, instead of being part of WikiProject:Gymnastics. Would anyone be willing to create a new wikiproject? --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 20:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Is this project alive? Helloooooo!
Who is actively editing gymnastics articles. Or has in the past? I'm doing some and want to compare notes, exchange advice, coordinate, etc. TCO (talk) 06:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Drafting new page for Amanar named vault
I'm workin up a draft article on the element, the Amanar, in my sandbox: User:TCO/Sandbox/Amanar. Appreciate any advice as I draft it. Please don't edit, but comment on article's talk page or here. Once I get it to a decent state, of course, will throw it in main space.

Few random questions:

1. Anyone know the story and/or have source for Shewfelt's first completions of the 2.5? Did he do it first?

2. RS for Amanar performing the 2.5? I guess FIG would work as a source for the naming credit, but looking for a source for the performance at 2000 Olys.

3. RS for the Nabieva downgrade and protest at 2010 WC.

TCO (talk)


 * In mainspace now.TCO (talk) 12:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

New template Template:Student athlete
Feel free to help fill in Template:Student athlete by adding new articles or creating articles for redlinks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:58, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Your opinions and advice
A recently discussion WikiProject Council/Proposals/Women's Sport. Your opinions and your advice are welcome. --Geneviève (talk) 22:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Gymnastics will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in gymnastics. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:United States gymnastics Olympics squad navigational boxes
Category:United States gymnastics Olympics squad navigational boxes needs help filling in the templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:09, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. I apologize if people in this project think the templates should be separated by sex like the basketball ones are.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Input on vault articles requested.
See: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics 84.203.38.241 (talk) 01:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

1-2
1-2 has been prodded for deletion by someone. -- 70.24.247.242 (talk) 04:27, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople
An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:39, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Varsity merger
Varsity Brands and Varsity Spirit are both about the same company and should be merged. ITasteLikePaint (talk) 18:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it really? Or is Varsity Spirit just one of the many subsidiaries of Varsity Brands? It's easy to get lost in the sea of corps within that conglomerate. Worth investigating. --MusicaleCA (talk) 11:40, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Varsity Spirit is a division of Varsity Brands Inc. (or at least was, in 2001, when Varsity Brands, Inc. got their present name and headquarters. See Memphis Business Journal )  All of VS's pointers go the VBI's website, their logo is the same, etc. The articles should definitely be merged. --gejyspa (talk) 14:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:Articles for deletion/Mykayla Skinner
I think you guys might be interested in participating in WP:Articles for deletion/Mykayla Skinner, since people are debating over the restrictiveness of WP:NGYMNASTICS.  Zappa  O  Mati   17:45, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration
This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  18:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Stub tag wording
"This biographical article related to a United States artistic gymnastics is a stub"??? The wording of US-artistic-gymnastics-bio-stub needs attention, and perhaps it's one of a pattern of similar stub tags? Pam D  08:44, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

List of Gymnasts
There is a proposal at Talk:List_of_gymnasts which you are invited to consider and comment upon. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 07:36, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject banner at Talk:Irina Belova (athlete)
I noticed this WikiProject has marked Irina Belova (athlete) as being within its scope. I suspect that banner was actually intended for Irina Olegovna Belova and would move it there, but I'm hesitant to move the talk page banner of another WikiProject. Sideways713 (talk) 13:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

New subheading in gymnast infobox
Please see Template talk:Infobox gymnast, where comments are invited. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Refactoring of List of gymnastics competitions
Interested parties, please see Talk:List of gymnastics competitions and comment, as necessary. - dcljr (talk) 01:30, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lindenwood University Women's Gymnastics
Dear gymnasts: I can't tell from reading WP:ATHLETE whether this is a notable gymnastics team. Maybe someone here knows. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:41, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

FIG website
FIG is apparently in the process of redesigning their website. Sometime between Dec 20 and Dec 31, the URL http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/ started redirecting to http://www.fedintgym.com/site/ (which, based on a blurb at the shorter http://www.fedintgym.com/, seems to be their special-purpose server for obtaining press credentials), and links to pages within their site (e.g., their "calendar" of events) stopped working. This means almost all the links to their site that we have in our articles here at WP are now broken (example). A blurb at the new URL mentions "temporary webpages" and "Thanks for your patience", which I assume means the old URL (still visible in their logo, even at the new homepage) will work again soon. I don't understand why they had to redirect their URL in the meantime — or why it's taking so long since they did that. I just hope we won't have to "manually" update all our links to FIG's website. That would be very annoying (unless, of course, they switch to a much more user-friendly [that is to say, "template-friendly"] URL format — that would actually make it worth it). - dcljr (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Template: Footer USA Gymnastics 2000 Summer Olympics
Hello gymnastics experts! This page was created in Afc, but never submitted to be added to the encyclopedia. Is it useful? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 15:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Gymnastics At Wikimania 2014
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Leaflet For Wikiproject Gymnastics At Wikimania 2014 (updated version)
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Photos of Acrobatic Gymnastics
Hello,

I went to the 2014 Acrobatic Gymnastics World Championships as a photographer. I've started to upload pictures of the senior event on Commons. Pyb (talk) 10:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:Gymnastics articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 05:32, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comment
There is a Request for Comment about "Chronological Summaries of the Olympics" and you're invited! Becky Sayles (talk) 07:35, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


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Recent changes to the graphics for Template: Medal
There is a template talk page discussion regarding the graphics used for medalists in infobox medals tables occurring at Template talk:Medal. As this discussion is within the scope of WP:Gymnastics, you are invited to make your comments on the recent graphics changes there. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Gymnastics layout
User talk:ThiagoSimoes have edited several articles, deleting information about what he calls: minor competitions. Can someone just edit every article like he wants, just that way? Do you think that is a good idea, not a proposal, because he is already editing the articles like he wants, but should we just let him do what he wants as he wants? --Osplace 21:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not some random user who is doing "what I want as I want". If you care to look at my list of contributions, you will see that I have created 30 pages about gymnastics topics and I have edited hundreds of other pages. I was advised by User talk: MATThematical to come here and look for help in order to edit pages from here on, so I can assure you that future edits will be made only if there is consensus on the subject.
 * Thank you. We should try to work on WP:NGYMNASTICS and the layout. --Osplace 00:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That would be great. There is a lot of work to be done and it would be great to hear from people about what they think could be the best solutions for the problems that as of now are unaccounted for. ThiagoSimoes (talk) 00:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Daria Spiridinova
Hello, gymnastic experts. Is this a notable gymnast, and should the page be kept and improved instead of being deleted as a stale draft? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 15:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I see her article was made back in April 2014. Did someone try to delete it? IMO anyone who has won a medal at worlds or Europeans (or Asian Games, Pan Ams etc) automatically meets the criteria for notability. IMO anyone who has competed at worlds for basically the top 24 teams deserves a profile, because they also typically have other decent international results. Wikimandia (talk) 01:27, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems that her name was spelled differently in this draft, which is why I didn't notice the mainspace article. All is well.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Gymnastics organizational structure?
Does this page have an official 'organizational structure', per say, where we have like an administrator and have individual roles etc? I feel that we are all trying to do everything and clashing with one another. Just a thought. Theworldgymnast1 17:31 April 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, there is not. This WikiProject is semi-active. A reboot is required. Sign up is also open. Fresh ideas are welcome. Osplace 20:05, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please ping me if someone gets that re-started; I am not primarily a gymnastics editor, but I do try to tend all Florida Gators articles, including those related to the Gators gymnastics program and its coaches. I'm also willing to help with articles for Alabama and Georgia (and their coaches).  You could make me the WikiProject's first "associate member."    Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:32, 4 May 2015 (UTC)