Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Archive 3

Stubs and topics
I note that there are relatively few stub categories within the general Hawaii stub space. I'm thinking of creating a history related stub, as I think that might help to identify where some of the history buffs could help contribute. There's already categories for geography, politicians, and radio stations. Perhaps we could add a few more categories of stubs, just to help organize them a bit. (Better yet, let's all expand them...but one thing at a time, yes?) I'll create the history stub, once I recall how that works. I'm going to first use it as a section stub on the Kauai page, since it's history section is really just one paragraph. Feedback, as always, welcome. (By the way, would this be better placed here, or on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/General page?) Davidlwilliamson (talk) 08:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. IMO, the stub project should have been disbanded a long time ago, as the WikiProject assessment and category system have all but replaced it with "Stub-Class" categories.  I think you have made a good argument for beginning the process of splitting articles into work groups (also called "task forces"), in this case, a  Hawaii history work group.  This is easy to setup and makes a lot of sense.  IIRC, by modifying the project template to allow for this option, we can place the articles in both a WikiProject Hawaii history work group and a WikiProject History work group category.  Other projects can be added to the mix, such as the United States history work group.  This is ideal, and allows us to collaborate across projects by coordinating a separate collaboration/work group page.  Stub categories in the mainspace may have once been useful years ago, but at this point they are not very helpful.  The first step would be to create Category:WikiProject Hawaii task forces, and then add Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Hawaii history task force or something similar.  After we tag all of the articles with the history task force flag, we can create separate assessment statistics that lists the articles by quality and importance.  We can make a bot request to start us off, merely by tagging all articles within Hawaii history-related categories. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 08:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So many standards to choose from. :-) I went ahead and created the relevant stub category and template, and then discovered there's a procedure for such things, which I entirely violated.  I just finished proposing such a stub category, but you're arguments about the utility (or lack of) of stubs makes sense to me, and using the Wikiproject framework to help coordinate this sort of thing seems ideal.  So...I think we should get started on organizing the task force bits, and I'll go ask for speedy deletion of the cruft I created this evening.  (On a sad note, it's cold and rainy here in San José, which sucks compared to the beautiful weather I experienced this morning in Līhue.  Bummer.) Davidlwilliamson (talk) 08:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. One thing we have to do is get a rough estimate of how many history-related articles we are dealing with. I see 97 articles in Category:History of Hawaii and 11 subcategories.  These articles represent an informal criteria for inclusion, but I suggest you come up with a rough one based on what we already have, or a modification that you think works better.  Your criteria will then be used to sift through what we already have and to add new articles.  As for creating the task force, that's the easy part.  Do you have the time and the energy to take a leadership role here?  I can help set it up, but somebody is going to have to maintain it. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 08:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I might be up for that, as long as no one expects a lot of progress too quickly - my day job generally keeps me pretty busy. In terms of number of articles - the history category seems to have a nice start, but the individual island entries could certainly use some work and aren't in that category.  I suspect that something like 150-200 articles are history related in some way.  Hawaii seems to also be one of those places where history and geogrpahy are intimately related, so many geographical pages may be relevant to history, too, which may increase the total article count.  I'll make a point of thinking about inclusion criteria and see if I can some up with something useful.  Davidlwilliamson (talk) 09:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Great. Why don't you take some time to think about this? Check out Category:History_WikiProjects to see how some projects use task forces while others use separate WikiProjects.  My preference would be to start with a task force, and if you can recruit enough people and interest in improving articles, then split it off into its own project.  But please, make note of the inactive projects.  One reason for keeping this as a task force for the time being, is to prevent the project from collapsing. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 09:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Thrum's Hawaiian Annual
Okay, I finally wrote a stub for this, please help! Mahalo, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 07:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thomas George Thrum is still only a redirect to this page. We could use a bio. Viriditas (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Added new link to online copy of Thrum's hosted by UH. Viriditas (talk) 14:04, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Kanaka and Owyhee
Hi; not part of this WikiProject but I've worked on these two articles; I'm wondering if they should be part of your WP; Kanaka certainly I'd think, but in Owyhee's case it's to do with the legacy of Hawaiian workers/settlers in North America; it's currently a disambig but I think it shouldn't be, although it's still mostly only a list page, just one needing some discussion as to how the name came about. The particular Hawaiian the HBC mappers/explorers named the river for can probably be determined, by the way, from company logs; or the specific incident as to how it gots its name anyway.Skookum1 (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good catch. We need to decide what to do here.  Primary topic disambiguation, etc... Viriditas (talk) 16:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Help updating Portal:Hawaii
Actually, as long as we're on the subject of revitalization, I've taken over the maintenance tasks on P:HI. Most of this work involved creating templates to ensure consistent formatting throughout the portal, particularly on the pictures and "on this date" features.

I was hoping to have another couple of standardized items in place before asking for help, but now seems as good a time as any to expand the content. So, to that end, I'd be greatly appreciative if people could help flesh out the following areas:


 * Selected anniversaries (current month)
 * Selected biographies
 * Ōlelo
 * Quotes

The formatting has been set for the selected anniversaries, and the biography/Ōlelo/quotes content should be fairly self-explanatory. I think we're more or less all right on pictures and articles, although it never hurts to add any good content that you may know of.

Mahalo! -- jonny - m t  01:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you feel about going for a more tropical color and floral scheme? &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 10:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a good way to handle floating holidays like Malasada Day on the Selected anniversary page? &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 10:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually don't mind the current color scheme that much--it seems to be based on the Hawaiian flag--but if you want to try something out, feel free to go nuts! As far as floating holidays go, I don't think there's a good way to handle those using the magic word-based system that's currently in place, but I can check it out. -- jonny - m  t  08:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to see a more tropical/floral scheme. The page looks great, and I realize they are colors of the Hawaiian flag, but it has more of a British feel than a Hawaiian feel, imo.  If no one minds, I'd like to take a crack at it a few days yonder... : ) -- M P er el  23:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BE BOLD!!! I just thought this was a better start for the design, because I didn't like that ghastly black bordered box. No offense to anybody involved in creating that, of course... – The Obento   Musubi  ( Contributions ) 08:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration with the Hawaiian Wikipedia?
We should collaborate with the Hawaiian Wikipedia to improve the design of that encyclopedia, because I, for one, am not satisfied with the main page. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 04:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm up for giving the main page a facelift as well, but it's protected and there are no active administrators available. As far as I know, Singularity, haw:User:Kamehameha, and myself are the only active editors.  Kal  (talk) 05:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I must have not been logged in last time, because I can now edit the main page. Odd.  Kal  (talk) 01:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Small help needed maybe - words 'chiefess' and 'chiefly'
Was fixing spelling errors and came across article Kahikikala. It like several (~45) Hawaiian-topic articles use the word 'chiefess', and sometimes 'chiefly', in ways I now believe are unique or most closely associated with Hawaiian history. Among other places I looked up the word at Wiktionary but was dissatisfied with what I found there. I left comments to that affect on the wikt page's talk page, mentioning a nice reference for the unique usages. There is no article here at en:WP for the word, and I don't suppose there should be (entry should be expanded at wikt). Is there some page here which talks about Hawaiian terms, including 'chiefess' and 'chiefly'? Shenme (talk) 03:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


 * "Chiefly" should be unproblematic: it's just a normal English word meaning "of or pertaining a chief or to to the office of chief", analogous to "presidential".
 * "Chiefess" seems weird to me. We don't use "authoress" or "aviatrix"; why not just use "chief" even when the chief is a woman? - Jmabel | Talk 18:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * To me it is the other way 'round. I find "Chiefly" strange, since it is a normal English adjective or adverb, not used as a title. I do not mind the word "Chiefess", since Hawaiian names can often be used for both sexes, and it helps me keep track of which one of the couple is the mother etc. I just created an article using the word in its title: Chiefess Kapiolani to distinguish from the Queen. There is a school in Hilo officially called "Chiefess Kapiolani". Some aricles just call them "Alii", but that is not an English word so should be used sparingly in my opinion, and gives no clue of sex either. For Wikpedia precedent, notice we talk about Louis XIV as "King Louis XIV of France", not "Le Roi Louis Quatorze". Sometimes they are "High Chief" too, but since a person's title can change through life (as the previous Alii Nui passes away, etc.) That is also problematic. Some articles also used "Chieftess" but those are mostly gone. The Alii article once said the title would be translated as "Lord" or "Lady" but I have never seen them used. "Noble" would be another reasonable term, since there was a "House of Nobles" for example in the Kingdom. Perhaps the "Alii" article could be expanded. As usual, sources would be nice! W Nowicki (talk) 17:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Akahi Nui
I'm way outside of my areas of expertise here and seeking help. Seems to me like the article Akahi Nui is hostile to its subject (which reminds me of an old joke: "But the King is not a 'subject'!"). I made a few edits to tone that down, but I don't know enough about the topic to do much more. For an example of an article bringing a much more neutral tone to a similar topic, see Quentin Kawānanakoa.

I left a note several days ago at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard‎ but it doesn't seem to have produced any response.

Any help would be appreciated. - Jmabel | Talk 18:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Reexamination of old disputes
At the urging of Viriditas, I've followed-up on a question posed in the first issue of the WPHawaii newsletter and reexamined some old disputes related to eight significant articles. I've put my comments below in the hopes of getting some wider feedback.


 * 1) Talk:Apology Resolution - Resolved with this edit; accepted as a resolution here.
 * 2) Talk:Evan Dobelle - Resolved with a semi-protect that was lifted here. User:FisherQueen's advice to properly source the claims was taken to heart, and it seems to be standing today.
 * 3) Talk:Hawaii - Don't see any indication that the dispute over okina and other diacritics is still ongoing, but I don't think this will ever be fully solved until MOS:HAWAII reaches a solid consensus.
 * 4) Talk:Kingdom of Hawaii/Archive 1 - Although the dispute is no longer ongoing in User:JereKrischel's absence, I don't think the NPOV issues are smoothed out enough in the section on the overthrow to warrant removing the tag. Specifically, a number of claims in the section are written for the other party in the dispute rather than for a general audience--claims are led with "Russ says" or "Kizner wrote" which, while not bad in and of itself, serves to place more of an emphasis on presenting specific, verifiable points of view about rather than creating a neutrally-toned encyclopedic overview.  I'd leave this one on for the time being.
 * 5) Talk:Legal status of Hawaii - Doesn't seem to be ongoing; the article has remained in place since the initial dispute.
 * 6) Talk:Liliuokalani/Archive 1 - Although the initial dispute seems to have more or less died down, it seems that some of the issues related to the overthrow are still percolating in this article. While it could probably do without the dispute tag, it might be a good idea to get some more eyeballs on it.
 * 7) Talk:Morgan Report - This one also seems more or less settled, and the POV tag has been removed.
 * 8) Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy - Although the original dispute has more or less died down, given the events of recent months I think more work is needed here to obtain a neutral balance.

Mahalo! -- jonny - m t  14:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Re 3: This is effectively resolved at the MOS, at least for the text, in favor of using diacritics. WP:UE says diacritics are neither encouraged nor discouraged, while WP:MOS cites the Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles) as a good example of diacritic guidelines, which would mean they should be used for all Hawaiian language words.  The remaining debate is with WP:NAME.  In this case, diacritics are expressly discouraged, but 1) they're already widely used, and 2) the Irish MOS uses them in titles.  Anybody who would like to weigh in on this, please do so on the, because I'd like to see the MOS finalized; I think doing so would prevent individual page disputes like those at Hawaii and Iao Valley from repeatedly breaking out.  Personally I prefer to leave them out because I dislike having garbage characters in the address bar, but I think it's far less important than the general usage issue.  KarlM (talk) 20:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Cities
Can someone please find for me, in the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a citation for local government format (i.e. counties have all the power, no cities except Honolulu) that's used in Hawaii? Nyttend (talk) 01:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't all that information online? Try here.  See also: archives.  Note, there's a phone number. Viriditas (talk) 02:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiian on Wikibooks
For those who want to learn the Hawaiian language, I've started a textbook at Wikibooks. It may take several months, but I'll try to finish it ASAP.  Singu larity  08:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Singularity! I'm very much looking forward to this! Here's an interwiki link: Hawaiian WikiBook. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 01:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How about linking to a new lesson or tip in every newsletter? A regular column would be nice, as long as it links to current Wikipedia articles. Viriditas (talk) 03:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Dole Plantation
I request a section be split from James Dole. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you clarify your request? Are you saying you want to get rid of the redirect and merge content into Dole Plantation? Viriditas (talk) 13:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, with the world's longest maze, it warrants its own page. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There's also some interesting free photos over on flickr. Viriditas (talk) 12:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

BYU-Hawaii
Hey! We at the BYU Wikiproject are working on this article and plan to have it at GA status by month's end. I was wondering if any of you lived on Oahu or in Laie and could upload some nice pictures of the campus for us. Any takers? I'd do it, but I'm kind of far away (Kansas). Wrad (talk) 03:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you also tried e-mailing dlfeedback AT lib.byu.edu and asking them to release either a free or copyright with permission photograph? They have more than 210 photographs online.   There's also an archives and special collections request page with a phone number at the bottom. Viriditas (talk) 11:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiian dry forest

 * Big gap in coverage, someone needs to write an article on Hawaiian dry forest. See Google Ling.Nut (WP:3IAR) 14:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This ecoregion has been listed on the project for years as needing creation under the standard name. See WikiProject_Hawaii/Article_requests if you want to help out or just place a new request. Viriditas (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I may work on some of those, but before I do, where did those "standard names" come from? Are they to make the names standard across Wikipedia?  In Hawaii the elevational terms are "montane" and "lowland", rather than "high" and "low" (the latter are ambiguous, as it could refer to the height of the plants).  I'm pretty sure those are in standard scientific usage across other regions as well.  KarlM (talk) 11:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * List of ecoregions in the United States (WWF) cites Terrestrial Ecoregions of North America: A Conservation Assessment (1999), ISBN 1559637226. Viriditas (talk) 12:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo request - Consulate-General of Japan in Honolulu
Hi! The Consulate-General of Japan in Honolulu is at 1742 Nuunanu Avenue - http://www.mofa.go.jp/Mofaj/annai/zaigai/list/n_ame/usa.html

It would be great if one took a photo of it and posted it at Diplomatic missions of Japan and at the consulate's page WhisperToMe (talk) 18:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Hawaii
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Mary Tiles
For some esoteric reasons I've just written the Mary Tiles bio. Perhaps someone can contribute a photograph? Also she seems to hold quite a few positions in commitees at U of Hawaii, if there's anything considered relevant, please add. --Pjacobi (talk) 12:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Project update
The main project page is really out of date and needs to be rewritten. If anyone has any ideas they would like to see implemented, add them here. Viriditas (talk) 08:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Laualoha
Ok, by request here are my thoughts: in order to be more inclusive, I would really like to see "Islands of Hawai'i" or something like that, rather than "U.S. State of Hawai'i", which seems a little limited. Also, while I honor and love Auntie Nona Beamer (I never heard her associated with the word until I read the page -- very interesting!), the word "Hawaiiana" has come to be seen as a little 1)dated, and 2)representative of an incomplete view of Hawai'i, as it is often associated with entities like Bishop Museum, which are generally viewed by Kanaka Maoli scholars as purporting viewpoints without a full understanding of their subject matter. Mahalo! -- Laualoha 10:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I sympathize with you, but the Bishop Museum has been nothing but a positive force for Hawaii and her people. We need more, not less of their work. Go ahead and make the changes that you want.  If someone doesn't like it, they will let you know. Viriditas (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting link supporting Laualoha's position: Viriditas (talk) 13:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I wonder how this critique will change given the new Hawaiian Hall that has a very fresh approach to the subject. Arjuna (talk) 10:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Theodore Calvin
Are fictional television characters like Theodore Calvin part of the scope of this project? Viriditas (talk) 13:58, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject invitation templates
I would like to start using a template like Invite User University of Florida for prospective members. To see what other projects are using, check out Category:WikiProject invitation templates. If there are any suggestions or comments about this proposal, please respond here. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 08:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a great idea :) &mdash;Kal (talk) 23:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you help? I'm really bogged down, from trying to improve Hokulea to writing the newsletter (Obento, where are you??) Viriditas (talk) 08:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I could help while running a one-man show at haw-wiki. Was there any specific template you thought of basing WP Hawaii's template on? &mdash;Kal (talk) 03:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, you've got quite the wit about you. Touche.  The best way you can help is with your input.  And, you know what?  Let's put a link to haw-wiki in there, too. :) Viriditas (talk) 08:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Any wit that may have slipped in was not intentional. :P Anyway, I'll try to take a look at some of the templates tomorrow and give some input. &mdash;Kal (talk) 08:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! I'd be glad to help. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 00:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm creating it now. It is at WikiProject Hawaii/Invite. I figured it would clutter up the template namespace, so I should just keep it within our Wikiproject. – Obento Musubi (C • G • S) 07:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, that looks great :) Very appealing to potential members. &mdash;Kal (talk) 21:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hawaii articles needing geographic coordinates
 articles in Category:Hawaii articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that Hawaii is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Father Damian
Father Damien is in need of in-line citations. Any help would be most welcome. -- Secisek (talk) 21:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In progress. I will be updating the bibliography after Friday, January 2, 2009.  I will also be helping to bring this article to GA status and encourage other to participate. Viriditas (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hiking trails
I have requested help over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Hiking_Trails. Please add any trails to Category:Hiking trails in Hawaii. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 02:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Francophone WikiProject Hawaii
I am pleased to announce that the French WikiProject Hawaii (called "Projet Hawaï" in French) has been launched. Please see this to join! All Francophones are wanted! So, if you speak French, please join us! We need help! Merci beaucoup ! obento musubi  10:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good work. I would like to know how we on the English Wikipedia can help facilitate the translation process. Viriditas (talk) 03:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Any Francophones who know English can informally translate, or we can collaborate with the translating team to formally translate from French to English by having outsiders translate the article impartially. If you create a page on the French Wikipedia, don't forget to add the template on the talk page, replacing XX with the class and importance, respectively. Thanks,  obento  musubi  08:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's probably obvious, but I recommend starting with the FA/GA articles on en. Viriditas (talk) 10:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea. There are currently two FA (in French AdQ, article de qualité) articles on the French Wikipedia that may contain information that could be added to WP Hawaii (Ukulélé and Mauna Loa). obento  musubi  04:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Milestone Announcements
I thought this WikiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 (t, c) 21:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Okina template discussion
Ongoing, needs technical input: Template_talk:Okina. Viriditas (talk) 01:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
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Workgroup?
I'm interested in creating a workgroup for Volcanism of Hawaii, based here. I'de like to tackle the topic, but I can't do it all by myself! So far this is only a proposal. Also going out to WP:VOLCANO. Cheers, ResMar 00:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Coordination and update needed. Viriditas (talk) 04:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Need help at Aloha Tower
The lede of Aloha Tower claims that it is a lighthouse. All evidence from NOAA and the USCG indicates that this isn't the case and probably never was the case. If someone can come up with a good cite, OK, but in the meantime I don't know that I can edit the lede to remove this without destroying it. As it is, it's rather puffy anyway. I'm also posting this at WP:NRHP. Mangoe (talk) 01:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


 * According to this historic lighthouse article it appears to have been designed to be an "observation tower with a beacon":
 * "An article in the May 30, 1926 edition of the Honolulu Advertiser provided a detailed description of the tower, including the following lines on its beacon. “On top of the tower the harbor light, which is now located on Sand Island, is to be installed, and the light on Sand Island done away with. The light will be known as Honolulu Light, and will be visible to ships at sea for many miles.'"


 * So, the intro appears to be somewhat accurate. We could add some of this to the article with cite for good measure. -- Travis Thurston  +  18:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * That's not the same thing as a lighthouse though. I think it would be more accurate to say that the light on the tower is used as a beacon by ships, than to say that the tower is a lighthouse.  The latter implies that it was designed for the purpose of housing the light, rather than that the light was put there because it's a tall building that happens to be near the ocean (which seems to be what happened).  KarlM (talk) 18:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * How about "The Aloha Tower is an observation building and monument considered to be one of the premier landmarks..." Its reference as a "guiding beacon" is stated in the second sentence. more ref material -- Travis Thurston  +  19:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've been pointed to some material that indicates that it did function as a lighthouse for a period. I think maybe the best approach might be a slight rewrite which makes it a bit clearer what the various functions were. We have a couple of other similar cases nationwide. Mangoe (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Assistance needed- Okina struck from Kapaau article
I am having a hard time explaining to a fellow about how okina is appropriate for references in to Kapaau in article Kapaau, Hawaii. The same guy seems to think that Census stats are more significant than its status as birthplace of Kamehameha. If anyone wants to straighten me out re Okina within articles on Hawaii places, or take a crack at persuading him, please see Talk:Kapaau, Hawaii. -J JMesserly (talk) 05:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Left my comment there. Not deriding anyone in particular at all, but the mindset of treating Hawaii English polished spelling as "foreign" spelling and not "correct" English strikes me as uptight arrogance from a grammatical ivory tower, divorced from the reality of valid regional variation of Standard English.  It becomes exhausting after so long. - Gilgamesh (talk) 07:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It will take time. To her dying day, my grandmother from texas pronounced it Hawaiya, no matter how many times we corrected her.  And what she did to spanish was much worse... I never understood why because she lived in a border town.  The parochialism is not limited of course.  Interestingly, the Russians don't have a letter for a soft h sound, but instead of substitutiting their hard H, they use G.  So Hollywood sounds like Goellywvood, and then there is Goenoelulu, Gahvai, and so on.  I'm not making this up.  Anyway, long term- in english, given the globalization of the language it makes sense to upgrade it at some point to add a few more glyphs, like the  gargly "h" sound the Jewish toast "lechaim"- it occurs in Russian and northern african languages.  It's shear conjecture and it may take several decades, but it makes sense. -J JMesserly (talk) 07:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Project layout and design
We don't need the header, the project name should appear first, not a flower, and there needs to be more information located towards the top rather than falling towards the bottom. Viriditas (talk) 10:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No offense, but your project page is a total mess. I endevoured to try and fix it in my sandbox, but it was uneedingly complex and unyeilding to no end...Res Mar 23:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems to be getting worse as the days go by. It needs a complete overhaul.  I can barely read anything and the image on top is driving me nuts. Viriditas (talk) 10:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Would like to see some suggestions on redoing the project page. Viriditas (talk) 04:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation
This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

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Request
Would someone mind photographing the Hawaiian Airlines headquarters? They are at 3375 Koapaka Street, G-350, by Honolulu Airport. Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 21:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Kahoolawe "Target Isle": Proposed changes to the infobox

 * This discussion initially took place at Talk:Kahoolawe --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 13:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

An editor recently added a fact tag to the "Target Isle" name in the article. I am unclear as to why the tag was added, as this is an accepted, common name for the island, still in use by the media. While it is true that the island is no longer used for this purpose, the naming convention in the infobox is accurate. Viriditas (talk) 09:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am concerned that Wikipedia may play a role in conferring "official status" on a nickname. This is especially true when the nickname is listed in the infobox, rather than the text.  In some cases, (e.g., the Big Island), the nickname is clearly so predominant that WP is simply affirming what is already true.  But I am somewhat suspicious that every Hawaiian island has a nickname in its infobox.  Why must each island have a nickname?  Every  U.S. state has a nickname, but those are semi-official.  Is there some authority conferring at least semi-official status on one (and only one!) nickname for each Hawaiian island?  If not, then I contend that at least some of these nicknames should be taken out of the infoboxes.  --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 15:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I should add that the answer to my question may well be "yes". I don't know a great deal about Hawaii in particular; my concern is on general principle.  --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 15:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * BlueMoonlet, are you aware that in the United States, each state has a nickname? I'm assuming that you are.  You will also find it in the infobox on every article about a U.S. state.  Perhaps our Hawaiian Island infoboxes could use a similar format (smaller font) rather than the large font currently in use.  Would that begin to address your concern? Viriditas (talk) 16:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am aware of that, which is why I mentioned it in my last post above. As I said, those nicknames are semi-official.  Are you saying that the same is true of the nicknames for the Hawaiian islands?  If so, you should be able to provide a much stronger reference than some journalist saying it was once called that.  --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 00:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Let me see if I can address your concerns. You said that you were worried that Wikipedia was conferring some kind of official status on the nickname.  Can you tell me, on what evidence do you base these concerns? Viriditas (talk) 00:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is well known that the general public gives way too much credence to what is written in Wikipedia. If something is only partly true or even completely untrue, its credibility can be greatly enhanced in the public mind if it is listed as true on Wikipedia.  This enhances the importance of citing reliable sources for any piece of information that is significant and/or questionable.  --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 15:21, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Here's a reference from a 1966 book hosted by the State of Hawaii Department of Transportation, Airports Division. I'm still open to modifying the infobox or the article. However, the 1998 edition of the Atlas of Hawaii does not recognize the "Target Isle" as a name. For the encyclopedia's sake, I think it is safe to add formerly next to "Target Isle" until we have a better solution in place. My guess it that the nickname hasn't been current since 1993. Viriditas (talk) 00:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is much more the kind of reference I was looking for. The table below compares the nicknames in these two editions of the Atlas with the nicknames currently given on WP pages.  I think the 1998 atlas should be cited for the current nicknames of the five islands where they agree.  Perversely, the most popularly known nickname (the "Big Island") is not given in the 1998 atlas.  For Hawaii and Lanai, it appears that multiple nicknames are current, while we now seem to agree that Kahoolawe no longer has a nickname though its former nickname should probably be listed.  Given these ambiguities, it might be best to move these nicknames down to an entry in the infoboxes, rather than below the name.  Thoughts?  --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 15:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * {| class="wikitable" border="1"

! Island ! 1966 Atlas ! 1998 Atlas ! Wikipedia
 * Hawaii
 * Big Island
 * The Orchid Isle
 * The Big Island
 * Kahoolawe
 * Target Isle
 * none
 * The Target Isle
 * Kauai
 * Garden Isle
 * The Garden Isle
 * The Garden Isle
 * Lanai
 * none
 * The Private Isle
 * The Pineapple Isle or The Secluded Isle
 * Maui
 * Valley Isle
 * The Valley Isle
 * The Valley Isle
 * Molokai
 * Friendly Isle (formerly Lonely Isle)
 * The Friendly Isle
 * The Friendly Isle
 * Niihau
 * Island of Yesteryear
 * The Forbidden Isle
 * The Forbidden Isle
 * Oahu
 * none
 * The Gathering Place
 * The Gathering Place
 * }
 * The 1966 ref isn't to an atlas. It's just to a book on a historical aviation site maintained by the state.  I agree with redesigning the infobox template and moving the nicknames down.  I was planning to do it myself sometime ago, but got too busy with other things.  With your permission, I would like to move this entire discussion (copy and paste) to WT:HAWAII so that the project members understand what we are doing and can comment if they so desire. Viriditas (talk) 03:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be fine. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 13:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oahu
 * none
 * The Gathering Place
 * The Gathering Place
 * }
 * The 1966 ref isn't to an atlas. It's just to a book on a historical aviation site maintained by the state.  I agree with redesigning the infobox template and moving the nicknames down.  I was planning to do it myself sometime ago, but got too busy with other things.  With your permission, I would like to move this entire discussion (copy and paste) to WT:HAWAII so that the project members understand what we are doing and can comment if they so desire. Viriditas (talk) 03:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be fine. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 13:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be fine. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 13:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Discussion placed here for notification of impending changes to the infobox, and/or for continuing discussion on the subject. Viriditas (talk) 22:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Islands and counties
I was asked to come here and write something about the islands of Hawaii and the countries of Hawaii. I maintain that the US State of Hawaii is composed of the counties of Hawaii. Each county has a government and has elections. Each county consists of land, in this case, one or more islands or parts of islands. It is NOT the other way around: the state of Hawaii composed of islands, which are composed of counties. These islands do not have government and elections. This information can be found in the government of Hawaii and government of each county articles. We need not look elsewhere to 'prove' this. Hmains (talk) 01:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you provide some context? I can't quite tell what the dispute is here.  Politically, the state is divided into five counties (two of which consist of a single island); geographically, it's composed of islands.  Maui County consists of Maui, Lānai, and most of Molokai; Kauai County includes Niihau; and Kalawao County consists only of Kalaupapa and adjacent valleys.  KarlM (talk) 01:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I made the previous comment before viewing your talk page; now I see what the issue is. Frankly, as I see it, categories are a complete waste of time for everyone concerned.  I've never found them useful, in part because people make interminable numbers of levels (each of which often only has 10 or fewer articles).  And there are enough people who are so thoroughly obsessed with creating them that it's pointless to fight them, so I've given up.  If you want to make a grouping of articles useful, put it in a box at the bottom of the article (like the CDPs).  KarlM (talk) 01:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

List-Class Hawaii articles
Could someone go through Category:List-Class Hawaii articles and report back to the project on the best articles (most complete, ready or close to ready to be nominated for FL) they can find? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 09:08, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Image sorting needed on Commons
commons:Category:Hawaii needs sorters to go through each image and sort them into the appropriate categories. I'm currently working on just the Maui category, but we need lots of people to help complete the job for the other islands. Remember, many images aren't even found in the Hawaii categories, so if you focus on a specific area (Oahu for example) remember to also search for images outside the named categories. The advantage of sorting these images into the correct categories is that a Commonscat link can be added to each Wikipedia article, providing readers with a direct link to the topic-related images on Commons. Viriditas (talk) 03:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Family tree of Hawaiian monarchs
I've made a family tree of Hawaiian monarchs. It doesn't show much information, only how they are related to one another. If anyone could place it somewhere else and add links to it, that would be great.--Nathan M. Swan (talk) 20:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Good work, but it seems like Kaahumanu III is in a confusing place; the tree makes it look like she was the daughter of Kamehameha I, but according to her article she was his cousin, stepdaughter, and later wife; then later married Kamehameha II; and Lunalilo was her son by another marriage. Not sure how best to represent that on a tree!  Seems like it would be best to put her as cousin, but that might add too many branches.  KarlM (talk) 06:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * We could certainly use help on the monarch articles. It is a large effort. The problem is the graph is not even planar! For example, I am working on a Kepookalani article: he is the double great-grandfather of the Kalakauas, not single as you note. An obvous issue with your simplified chart is that it does not distinguish men from women, showing only one parent. Also it confuses blood relationships with hanai (adoption), or ah, I see it hides the several Kaahumanus with easter-egg links. W Nowicki (talk) 17:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


 * OK I published the Kepookalani article. You are missing the generation of Kamanawa II -> Kapaakea for male line, or Aikanaka for female line. And as as KarlM says, the relationship of Lunalilo also is a bit more distant by blood. Her mother was one of the consorts of Kamehameha I but she was not his daguhter. W Nowicki (talk) 19:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

A-Class review for USS Hawaii (CB-3) now open
A Military history WikiProject A-Class review for USS Hawaii (CB-3) is now open; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! — Ed   (talk  •  majestic titan)  01:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Category-Members of the Hawaii Territorial Legislature
It would be a good idea to create a category on the Members of the Hawaii Territorial Legislature. The present categories involving the Hawaii State Legislature relate to the legislature since Hawaii was admitted to the union. Using these categories for a member of the Hawaiian Territorial Legislature would be inaccurate. I know Arizona has a category involving concerning the members of the Arizona Territorial Legislature. Thank you-RFD (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Especially if you volunteer to put appropriate articles in the cat! Are there that many? You could make it a subcategory of Category:Members of the Hawaii Legislature perhaps. I have a similar problem with the Kingdom, right now they are just in a category Category:Hawaiian Kingdom politicians which might need refining. Similarly you could create a category "Hawaii Territory politicians" or something like that? Many overlap, e.g. territory and Kingdom, or territory and state, etc. W Nowicki (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I started a category for the Members of the Hawaii Territorial Legislature today. That will help. You still have the members of the Legislature of the Kingdom of Hawaii and the Republic of Hawaii to do-Thank you=RFD (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hanai template
I created a new template to list "Hanai" information in bioboxes. I noticed some had a paramter to the royalty infobox that was not used. I think it is important enough to put there. It probably begs for an article explaing more about hanai, and perhaps a list of notable ones. But one thing at a time. W Nowicki (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Topo maps do not work
At low resolutions they seem to find Oahu and Kauai, but the other islands nothing at all shows up for the "topo" views. For example, try 20.8°N, -156.33333°W with any of the topo choices and it is all blank. Does it work for anyone else? W Nowicki (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The trails.com one works for that link, but it uses Topozone which is now a pay site, so it only gives you one chance to see a small portion of the map. KarlM (talk) 05:15, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up: after finally getting ni touch with someone from topozone, I got them to fix their topo maps. At least more of them work now. At various resolutions parts still disappear, but for free they are a decent resource. W Nowicki (talk) 21:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
Okip  00:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Charles Djou's intention to run
I thought that Charales Djou announced his intention in March "2010" to seek the office that Abercrombie has vacaated Cdauer (talk) 20:37, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Annexation
It states the the annexation of Hawaii was a victory but it was not. There are no annexation documents ever found up to present day. The congress had to vote to annex Hawaii but they did not ever receive enough votes to ofically annex Hawaii and today remains as land occupied by the United States and is not owned by the United States, but by the people of Hawaii. It also states that there were no casualties and only one wounded in the overthrowing of the kingdom which is definetly not true. Many natives lives were lost which led to the Queen surrendering in an act for peace and not to continue the violence. [comment above was added by User talk:Chasekale 09:36, 28 April 2010]


 * The situation is more subtle than that. See Newlands Resolution for example. That article could defintely use more beefing up with inline citations. It does gloss over the distinction between a "treaty" and "resolution". Not sure about the "lives lost"? Perhaps you mean during the counter-revolutions? Please provide reliable verifiable sources of course. W Nowicki (talk) 23:14, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian Airlines headquarters
I found this on Google Maps - Is this the headquarters of Hawaiian Airlines? WhisperToMe (talk) 17:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Advanced Technology Solar Telescope
FYI, Advanced Technology Solar Telescope has been nominated for deletion. 76.66.193.224 (talk) 03:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That's absurd. It has received a massive amount of media coverage. Viriditas (talk) 04:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a guess-perhaps the reasoning is because the entire article is only one small paragraph - only three sentences. Looking at the history, no one has bothered to expand it in the four years it's been there.Maile66 (talk) 17:52, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Coat of Arms


I am confused as to why the coat of arms is not accurate. The Hawaiian warriors are depicted as cuacasion and the Kingly robes are missing to seemingly match the state seal (in my opinion...but who knows). Clearly the actual coat of arms as designed for the kingdom and placed all over the islands is not being ignored here is it? Can anyone help me out here?--Amadscientist (talk) 01:29, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe you're looking at a fake. Hawaii Coat of Arms Maile66 (talk) 01:39, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is fake. The artwork the wikipedia article is using is wrong. That was my point. My link was to the proper and correct coat of arms. The same one you provided. My wording and link may have been badly worded. Here is the art work the current coat of arms is incorrectly derived from. --Amadscientist (talk) 01:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This talk page does not seem too active. Maybe you might want to take this up directly with a designated Administrator listed on WikiProject Hawaii/Participants  And when you do, it will be helpful if you insert the link of the Wikipedia page where this fake is located.
 * --Maile66 (talk) 01:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow....this incorrect coat of Arms appears to be linked directly to so many pages, listing one is not even neccesary. Also It is not needed to take this to an administrator. This is a simple matter to correct but will require a little looking to see where it may be properly used. This may be a simple matter of the incorrect image being used only because of the nice SVG. File. I am able to modify the SVG and have illustrated a coat of arms for another article from a different nation in SVG format. What I will do to start is look and see if the correct symbol is already on Wikimedia. If not I will create it and upload it to commons. Then, on an individual basis members here and in other projects or even individual editors will have the tools to work with. No rush, but it is something that needs to be addressed. Also, since the coat of Arms has been altered a number of times and the Kingdoms have differed in the long history of the nation....it may require a splitting of articles to indicate the seperate Kingdoms attributed to the different reigns and why and how they were seperate.--Amadscientist (talk) 02:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on. Not sure what you mean by "fake" though? It is clearly a modern artist's reproduction, not provided by an official government nor a photo of a real historic coat of arms. The idea of an SVG file is that it scales down nicely (as well as up), so naturally has less detail than a photo would. Now if those 19th-century officials would jhave just used SVG for their emblems then we would be all set. :-) But now that you mention it, the caucasian features (and red beards?) are quite embarassing and do need to be fixed. And the text in the Seal of Hawaii of course needs to be fixed since it is not the 1843-era design that is being described. Looks like it is based on the ʻIolani Palace gates, e.g. File:Hawaiian Coat of Arms at Iolani Palace.jpg.

I would vote for first having one good coat of arms to replace this one (probably based on the Kalakaua version which is best known), which would give a unifying look and feel. Then perhaps in an article discuss how it changed through the various reigns. And while you are at it, we have been talking about how confusing it is to have the same flag for the Kingdom as well as Territory and State used in the nav boxes. A "royal standard" type of image (e.g. a coat of arms, perhaps simplified in a flag-like aspect ratio) would work better to clearly illustrate the transition from Kingdom. And then another one for ancient Hawaii, e.g. just the crossed spears in the middle with green background or somesuch? W Nowicki (talk) 17:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I took the liberty of just adjusting the skin and hair colors to look less European. There are other issues too, like the Kapu sticks seem to be flowers, and the staff like a spear, in addition to the issues you point out. I am not an artist so hope someone else can do the hard work. W Nowicki (talk) 20:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * First, thank you very much for the work. It is appreciated. "Fake" was used by another member that perhaps I had been looking at a "Fake" due the badly worded post I left. The "fake" I saw was the incorrectly illustrated coat of arms. The reason I would justify the very extreme description is that with the use her on wikipedia it is creating a "fake" search return....or incorrect. This is not an accusation that anyone did anything on purpose. LOL. No, simply that the various versions of the coat of arms and what few good images that may have been available when the image was first created probably contributed to the confusion. Not to mention the physical description in many references do not mention the robes but do go into great detail about the history of the emblem and all of it's meaning. Such as the two "Chiefs" that I believe were historical figures in Hawaiian history. Twins Kona Chiefs who had assisted Kamehameha I. Kame'eiamoku and Kamanawa.--Amadscientist (talk) 01:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Longest Name in the World
I google the longest name in the world and discovered that there was a boy in Hawaii named Kananinoheaokuuhomeopuukaimanaalohilo, but I think Kualiilanipipililanioakaiakunuiakealuanuuokuiialiiikahalau is a longer name. I was wondering what is the meaning of the latter one and also is that actually an even longer Hawaiian name?--Queen Elizabeth II&#39;s Little Spy (talk) 23:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Hawaiian Dictionaries
Started the template for easy linking to http://wehewehe.org. --ThT (talk) 07:59, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * This was a very good idea. I have an expanded version of the template that handles a couple other databases I use for sources and gives full citations with links to authors and publishers. Unless anyone objects, I propose to merge in soon. We can always tweak it later. One question is if it should really follow English language convention and use lower case for the second word, i.e. "Hawaiian dictionaries" or leave upper case since it is a "title" of a book? W Nowicki (talk) 19:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


 * has been updated, and then I added some more tweaks and added much to the documentation. Time for more people to review, and please do give it a try. W Nowicki (talk) 21:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Hawaiian petroglyphs, which ancient Hawaiians did leave
Aloha, howzit? I've been looking for an article on the Hawaiian glyphs, like you see honu the turtle and triangular anthropomorphic glyph which decorate everything from jewelry to coffee mugs nowadays. I can't find anything, and there should be. I have tried everything under Hawaiian language I can find, does it have a peculiar name, am I missing it? I mean like the Rapa Nui Rongorongo script and so on. Help? Mahalo nui loa, Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * They are generally modern trademarks. Nobody has discovered a writing system for the ancient Hawaiian language (yet?). Many of the tourist logos are meant to look like petroglyphs, which ancient Hawaiians did leave. Their exact symbolism is being debated. Alas, much lost to history. American missionaries invented a writing system using a subset of the Latin alphabet plus two diacritical marks. That is why we should use the marks in the English Wikipedia: they are meant for English speakers. W Nowicki (talk) 16:16, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I got it, my father is a McKinley grad, I've been up on the language since I was little, and I didn't mention the diacritical marks (but thank you). I was really asking if we have an article on the glyphs here, and if not, let's jumpstart one.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I am stil not clear exactly what article you are proposing. Like any other, you need to have reliable third party sources. Just talking about your own observations will lead to deletion. Trademarks would run into copyright issues I would think. There is List of Hawaii state symbols which by its name implies only those endorsed officially by the government entity. The "Live Aloha" program might have some sources. Something like "Petroglyphs of Hawaii" would probably have some reliable sources, and be good, or start with some of the NRHP sites with petroglyphs. But something like "Logos on Hawaii tourist souvenirs" would be harder to justify. W Nowicki (talk) 22:32, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * petroglyphs, which ancient Hawaiians did leave, as you said. Not the logos, though that may turn into a pesky "in popular culture" section.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:29, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Mauna Kea
I've been working hard on Mauna Kea for about a week now, and I've filled out the majority of the article ('xcept Summit observatories). However, I'm seeking confirmation here that I didn't miss anything. Res Mar 02:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Butterflies and Moths of Hawaii
FYI, I have made the page List of Lepidoptera of Hawaii and most of the species. There are some species left to do, but most have an article. I would like to get it qualified for DYK, if someone is interested, the list needs some refs to qualify. I'm not very good at reffing, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks Ruigeroeland (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, looks like you put in some good work on this. However, to qualify as DYK you also need 1500 characters of prose; the list entries do not count. As for references, listing the ones you actually used would be a good start. Or have you memorized this list? Aloha W Nowicki (talk) 16:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, 1500 would be hard, I will have a look at it later. Maybe I can pull some refs from the text I would need to add, because this whole list comes from two sources only, listed at the bottom with the external links. Anyway, thanks for your reply! Ruigeroeland (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Hawaii articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Hawaiian native mortality rate article
Hi! I found: This is actually about mortality rates of Pacific Islanders and Native Hawaiians... WhisperToMe (talk) 07:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Park, Alice. "Paradise Paradox: Why Life in Hawaii Leads to Early Death." TIME. September 22, 2010.

Page cleanup
I am going to undertake cleaning up and code-ifying the front project page. Let's all admit it, it was a horrible mess =). I've only completed the front part at this point; more to come. Cheers, Res Mar 02:42, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Great idea long over due.Moxy (talk) 02:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Map on main Hawaii article
Some time ago a fellow editor made a big improvement in changing the map on the Alaska article from an inset to one that shows Alaska's position in North America. Even though I suggested it, he did not change the one for Hawaii. If I had the expertise I would do it, but I don't. Maybe it can't be done? Here's the suggestion: why not change the map of Hawaii--the cream and red one at the upper right-hand side of the article that has Hawaii in the middle of Mexico--to one that shows Hawaii out in the Pacific, with the Pacific rim nations and states showing. --Yopienso (talk) 04:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'll replace it with File:Hawaii Islands.PNG. Viriditas (talk) 08:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I tried, but Infobox U.S. state won't accept an imagewidth parameter. Looks like I'll have to shrink the image and upload a copy first. Viriditas (talk) 08:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, yay! Thanks for your efforts. Here's the diff from Alaska. All the states I checked have the same cream and red map, so the page may be set to accept only some variation of that? (I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about! It's astounding that I figured out how to edit text.) User:Weetoddid is still active if you care to confer with him. --Yopienso (talk) 20:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the image width that's the problem. If you like Hawaii Islands.PNG as a replacement, it only needs to be shrunk to the same approximate width as the Alaska image, and it should be good to go.  But to do that, you have to upload a new version under a new name. Viriditas (talk) 22:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Alas! I don't know what .PNG means and I don't know how to shrink anything but expensive wool sweaters. :P --Yopienso (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ . No sweaters were harmed. : ) Viriditas (talk) 09:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Reverted my own change. Scaled image looks like yuck. Viriditas (talk) 09:59, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying! Maybe that's why Weetoddid didn't change it. --Yopienso (talk) 15:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Neal and Lucy Thurston Blaisdell
Updating the page for Neal Blaisdell. Scant information seems to be available online. So far, I find no online obituary on Neal Blaisdell, or anything to verify his accomplishments.

Pre-existing information on Mayor Blaisdell's Wiki page states he had a hall named after him at Punahou School. I am, at this point, unable to verify that. On Punahou's official web site, I do find a page on the Mayor's daughter Marilyn Blaisdell.

I am particularly interested to find if his wife, Lucy Thurston, was a direct descendant of Hawaii missionaries Asa and Lucy Goodale Thurston.

Does anyone have any verifiable information to share on the Blaisdell page?


 * Maile66 (talk) 16:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I added the link to his notable Hawaiian ancestor. Of course web searches turn up the sports venue, so you need to filter those out. People in this era are a bit hard: few current online sources, and not old enough to have off-copyright books. The family web site published a paragraph that I might add: http://www.blaisdell.org/BFNAFamousBlaisdellsNealS.Blaisdell7-27-2007.doc.pdf and see if I can at least tie the families together. W Nowicki (talk) 18:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I have noticed that when it comes to Hawaii, online resources are not as readily available as other geographical areas.  I think part of what hinders a search is the merger of the Star-Bulletin and Advertiser, and the archives are not as easily accessed anymore.  Along with the web itself,  I had done searches on Google Books and Google News Archive - both are usually a bounty of ancient information.  Like you say, Blaisdell Center is what shows up.  As far as you know, is Lucy Thurston Blaisdell still alive?  Maile66 (talk) 18:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that these are not "ancient" people, so what I was trying to say is that the google books out of copyright from before 1923 are too early, and Internet-era sources are too late. I doubt Lucy is alive since according to "Men and women of Hawaii: Volume 9" snippet view on Google books, she was born in 1903 so would be 107 by now. It says her father was a Charles Henry Thurston, so not sure how he would connect to the other ones. I removed the stuff about a hall at Punahou, because it looks like it was being confused with the center where Punahou holds their graduation and some sporting events. Also added a few more sources that might help. Continue discussion on Talk:Neal Blaisdell W Nowicki (talk) 00:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Project pages need work
Some ideas:


 * It's no longer clear whether or not the Northwestern Hawaiian Islands task force is still active. I don't think that a separate work-group for such a small area is really required, anyway.
 * WikiProject Hawaii/Assessment: The yellow box is super ugly =|
 * Manual of Style (Hawaii-related articles) needs a copyedit, apparently.
 * Ce'd. Hope it helps. Res Mar 02:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * There is overlap between Article requests and "General".
 * General was deleted, so complete. Viriditas (talk) 01:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Hawaii/New articles - stale, again should also be merged into Article requests.
 * Recommend striking this entry. New articles subpage is current with results provided by AlexNewArtBot. Viriditas (talk) 09:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've stricken this entry as it is current (updated by a bot) and has nothing to do with article requests. New page patrol needs editors to review articles listed here on a weekly or daily basis and to assess as needed.  I can help, but other editors should check this page daily if they have time. Viriditas (talk) 01:50, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Hawaii/Almanac - whould this not be better as a separate "Outline of Hawaii" article?
 * WikiProject Hawaii/Trivia - erm...maybe this should be posted onto the talk page instead? Kinda off topic.
 * B-Class, FA-Class, NA-Class, etc. - what is this
 * Hawaii recent changes - last update was 2009.
 * In progress. Will strike when I'm done. Also need to add the recent changes feed to the bottom of the project page for easy viewing. Viriditas (talk) 01:51, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Watchlist update complete. Viriditas (talk) 23:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Geneology - almost certainly better as an article!
 * Possibly, but this page is intended for use as a resource, along with a list of references, image help, etc. Viriditas (talk) 01:52, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Hawaii/Infoboxes - needs integration on the main page.
 * List...categories - much better on the Portal.
 * Possibly, I'll take a look, but again, this was intended as a resource page. If it duplicates the portal, then I agree we can delete it. Viriditas (talk) 01:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Distribution, News Bureau - put them together I think. Newsletter is at this point safely historical.
 * WikiProject Hawaii/Sandbox - basically a copy of the old page.
 * WikiProject Hawaii/left panel, wow this looks old.
 * Bibliography - needs to get linked from the main page.
 * Awards - does not need to be a separate page.
 * Yes, it could appear on just the outreach page. Is that what you mean? Viriditas (talk) 01:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Hawaii/Unreferenced BLPs - needs to be linked from the main page.
 * WikiProject Hawaii/Departments - never even used.
 * Outline - should be a wiki article. See above also.
 * Circulation list - no longer needed.
 * It's needed if AWB or a bot is going to deliver a newsletter again, so no need to delete. Viriditas (talk) 01:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Right Panel, WikiProject Hawaii/footer - no longer in use.

I've marked several minimal, unused pages for deletion as well. Wow, what a mess. Res Mar 23:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I was not sure of the history on many of those, but would certainly support a leaner set of pages that is more up to date. There already are articles on Outline of Hawaii and Index of Hawaii-related articles so the Outline and Trivia pages should just be deleted. Trivia seems to be unsourced from five years ago, so would need sourcing to go in today. Related is the Portal:Hawaii, which is also a bit out of date. For example, a while back I changed the portal to have only one list of DYKs in Portal:Hawaii/Did you know, not updated in six months, but there is another list here that is even more out of date. Maybe the list here should just be a link to that one, or transclusion in a scroll box or something. It is certainly misleading to talk about an assessment "department" since there are only a handful of editors on the project. I would call it an "assessment guideline" or something like that. W Nowicki (talk) 18:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not a nomination or anything, so do feel free to strike things as you go. I certainly am too lazy to check back myself :) <b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 22:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * W Nowicki, your support is encouraging, but we need people to do the work. For example, since you enjoy DYK, maybe you could help monitor the new page bot feed and the assessment queue, and help identify Hawaii- related articles that would make good DYKs, and teach other editors how to do it. We currently have a backlog on both fronts. As for the name, it is not misleading. It's the standard name used by WikiProjects to provide a noticeboard where article assessment guidelines are located and where editors can go to request assessment.  However, unless people are actively using these things, then you have a queue of articles building up needing assessment (new and tagged as unassessed) as we have now. We simply don't have the numbers to sustain a project, or enough editors willing to improve the set of articles that we have. DYK's are a great way to increase visibility, and to attract more editors, and are a good way to encourage stub expansion, but we have a core set of articles that need more attention, and they are anywhere from Start to B-Class, and probably not eligible for DYK due to their length.  Right now, we need work on several fronts, including a resolution to the okina style guideline and a review of all the unresolved tasks on this page.  Viriditas (talk) 22:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So, whose going to be working on this? <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 20:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We should sign off on them as we go. I'll start with my sig. Viriditas (talk) 01:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Image requests
Here is a proposed addition to the WikiProject Hawaii image request page: "In addition to requesting on here, elsewhere on the English Wikipedia, and on the Wikimedia Commons (Commons:Commons:Picture_requests/Requests/Asia), please also request one on the Japanese Wikipedia; because many Japanese are tourists in Hawaii, it may help to duplicate your request on the Japanese Wikipedia. If you know Japanese, state your request at ja:Wikipedia:画像提供依頼. If you do not know Japanese, state your request at ja:Wikipedia:Chatsubo and ask the participants for help on adding it to the Japanese Wikipedia's image request page. Members will help you with your requests."vv

WhisperToMe (talk) 07:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there an image request page? The "requests" link goes to a page with only article requests; there's a category for image requests but no page.  KarlM (talk) 09:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Hawaii has the link "Requests—Article and image requests." under departments. There, it links to WikiProject Hawaii/Article requests - There's also an outstanding photo request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii under "Project tasks." WhisperToMe (talk) 09:43, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Why don't set up something like this instead? Find good government and private copyleft/PD sites, make a list of ones to check, work this into a real section. I absolutely hate cluttered pages. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 14:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! I'm happy to set a separate page like that. Here's a draft at User:WhisperToMe/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Hawaii/Images WhisperToMe (talk) 18:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But those are all volcanics sites =) <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 05:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed ones that have no Hawaii related content. However, I agree that it is kind of volcano heavy. :) We need some more comprehensive links and/or links that have to do with Hawaii.
 * Lemme see if I can find any other repositories.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 07:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems somewhat difficult to find large expansive PD photo collections of Hawaii.
 * Of the photo links, which ones should be kept? Which ones should not be?
 * And should I move the page from my user space to the Wikipedia space?
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 23:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have hawaii.gov? <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 02:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, does it have a public domain photo collection? If it does, I would be happy to include it.
 * Most states copyright the contents of their websites, while the federal government does not.
 * For instance http://www.ehawaii.gov/dakine/docs/terms.html says:
 * "Duplication or use of any content from this WEB SITE for commercial purposes or in any manner likely to give the impression of official approval by the State of Hawai`i is prohibited. The WEB SITE Copyright © 1995-2010 State of Hawai`i."
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 02:57, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is why it's a pain in the ass so often. I like the "image exchange" idea, because with state projects, if you click around and contact the right members, they might just have photos they can put up. With more topical projects, it's decidedly harder. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 02:29, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have an idea - I'll add another entry to the "Requests" page: "In addition, look through Category:Wikipedians in Hawaii and perhaps individually contact some editors who live on the island where your request is, and see if they are willing to photograph it" WhisperToMe (talk) 11:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I moved the draft to WikiProject Hawaii/Images WhisperToMe (talk) 03:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Kama'aina
I found Kama'aina - If you guys don't think that it can be expanded into a real article, then it should be moved to the Wiktionary. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a Hawaiian phrase. I'm not decided on this one (or even qualified to decide =) ) <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 02:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * User:MelanieN beefed up the article, so it's no longer a dicdef. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to help with WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 20:24, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

A consideration for cross project consolidation of talk page templates
I have started a conversation here about the possibility of combining some of the United States related WikiProject Banners into WikiProject United States. If you have any comments, questions or suggestions please take a moment and let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 05:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Posted a reply there. KarlM (talk) 20:45, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you I just responded. --Kumioko (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Requested Articles Sinclairs Niihau
On the page listing WikiProject_Hawaii/Article requests, I notice a requested article for "Elizabeth McHutcheson Sinclair" On the Niihau page, it's spelled "McHutchison", including in the family tree template. In researching for possibly creating the requested page, I find it spelled both ways. Please advise which spelling is correct. Maile66 (talk) 19:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a good question. You (or anyone else) are welcome to use the content and references located at User:Viriditas/Elizabeth McHutcheson Sinclair for guidance.  FYI...I could use some help uploading her photograph.  The only reason I didn't do it, was because I couldn't verify the provenance of the photograph.  I discussed this some time ago at Media copyright questions/Archive/2008/May so there is more information on the topic if anyone is interested. Viriditas (talk) 03:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The link you had to the photo is now a dead link. I did find this Eliz-Sinclair Family album, which appears to be part of an online album of Sinclair family photos.Maile66 (talk) 16:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Also look at the Aubrey Robinson page of course. I found both spellings, and the convention is to not decide which one is "correct" (unless there is a consensus, see Wilder article below) but mention both in the body. I would say title the article something like Elizabeth Sinclair or even Liza Sinclair if that is the most common name in reliable sources. Ithink she was not as notable before getting married, so change the name in the template too if it makes sense. W Nowicki (talk) 02:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Puʻuhonua o Hōnaunau National Historical Park
see Requested move. --ThT (talk) 23:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

misspelled article name
Samuel G. Wilder's middle name was Gardner, not Garner, therefore the article Samuel Garner Wilder is named improperly. Reference #2 (The Hawaiian Gazette: p. 6. July 31, 1888) plainly reads "The Honorable Samuel Gardner Wilder died Saturday morning, July 28th..." Patsobest (talk) 06:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, you are right. Not only that one but most of the other sources use the Gardner spelling. I found one or two dropping the "d" but went ahead and moved the article since those seem less reliable. Of course it needed to be spelled consistently in the body too. And the other articles that refer to him. No wonder he usually went by the middle initial—in hindsight, the article title probably should have been Samuel G. Wilder, but I do not have the power to do that move. Spelling in the body is more important IMO since the redirect will allow either one to be used in a search or link. Thanks for the good eyes. W Nowicki (talk) 17:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There might be something strange (a technical problem?) left: Samuel Garner Wilder is a redirect to Samuel Gardner Wilder, but the page title shows still Samuel Garner Wilder (without the d). The talk page Talk:Samuel Gardner Wilder shows the right spelling instead. In the HTML source text of the article the spelling without d can be seen in the tags
 * <h1 id="firstHeading" class="firstHeading">
 * and in other places as well. The [edit]-links are therefore not working. Maybe this should be reported to the technical staff, because the parsing is one of the core functions in MediaWiki as far as I know. --ThT (talk) 19:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See Reference desk/Computing. --ThT (talk) 19:33, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * and in other places as well. The [edit]-links are therefore not working. Maybe this should be reported to the technical staff, because the parsing is one of the core functions in MediaWiki as far as I know. --ThT (talk) 19:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See Reference desk/Computing. --ThT (talk) 19:33, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

US Collaboration reactivated & Portal:United States starting next
Casliber recently posted a suggestion on the talk page for WikiProject United States about getting the US Wikipedians Collaboration page going again in an effort to build up articles for GA through FA class. See U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM. After several days of work from him the page is up and ready for action. A few candidates have already been added for you to vote on or you can submit one using the directions provided. If you are looking for inspiration here is a link to the most commonly viewed articles currently under the scope of Wikiproject United States. There are tons of good articles in the various US related projects as well so feel free to submit any article relating to US topics (not just those under the scope of WPUS). This noticeboard is intended for ‘’’All’’’ editors working on US subjects, not just those under WPUS.

The next item I intend to start updating is Portal:United States if anyone is interested in helping. Again this is not specific to WPUS and any help would be greatly appreciated to maximize visibility of US topics. The foundation has already been established its just a matter of updating the content with some new images, biographies and articles. Please let leave a comment on the Portals talk page or let me know if you have any questions or ideas. --Kumioko (talk) 19:11, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian philatelic articles
FYI, there are four articles on Hawaiian philately, and some of them require extension and improvement: --Michael Romanov (talk) 03:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Postage stamps and postal history of Hawaii created on 19 January 2011
 * Hawaiian Philatelic Society created on 21 April 2009
 * Hawaiian Missionaries created on 1 May 2007
 * List of people on stamps of Hawaii created on 7 November 2004

Categories for deletion nomination of Category:Hawaii articles needing expansion
Category:Hawaii articles needing expansion, which is part of this WikiProject, has been nominated by another editor for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Popular pages
FYI...I've requested a list of top project pages ordered by views from Mr.Z-man. Providing everything goes well, the list should be automatically created at WikiProject Hawaii/Popular pages (please leave as red link until the bot creates it). Afterward, a link should be created on the main project page. Viriditas (talk) 02:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mahalo (linguistics)


The article Mahalo (linguistics) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * WP:NAD, and while the lead-section text hints at conditions that might make an article notable (as an example of a socially recognized concept lacking a corresponding word), that source of notability, if explicitly stated would be OR and supported, in the spirit of the quack-Hopi-linguist Benjamin Lee Whorf, only by inadmissible references, apparently attributable to amateur anthropologists & amateur linguists. In the other section, the uncategorized dump job list of "Pop culture" refs is useless trivia, not even distinguishing use in a setting-specific cultural context from idiosyncratic or show-off mannerisms, and probably should be completely removed even it the lead section managed to be improved to the point of establishing notability.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Jerzy•t 07:51, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Pageview stats
After a recent request, I added WikiProject Hawaii to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at WikiProject Hawaii/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 00:30, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Subject ethnicity dispute
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:BLPN. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC) (Using )

Help identify
I have reason to believe (based on the uploader's contributions) that this image -File:Picture Downtown.jpg - is from Hawaii. I cannot identify it further. If anyone can rename the file to depict what city it is the downtown of, please do so, or leave the information on my user talk page and I'll move it myself.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  20:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Doesn't look like Hawai'i to me - not a palm tree in sight. Anyway, it isn't Hilo, Kona, Wailuku, Kahului, or Lihue, just to narrow it down a bit. Awien (talk) 20:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, Honolulu would be the only possibility, and without knowing what buildings they are, probably not notable even if it was. Suggest just deleting it as an unidentified orphan. W Nowicki (talk) 22:46, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Tantalus is in the wrong place in google earth
Please review the location of the Tantalus wiki article link in google earth. It is currently placed in Waimanalo, someone may have fat fingered the actual coordinates or simply selected the wrong location. Oh, and this was a real pain in the butt to locate where to make a suggestion for a change. You should look into relocating or at least placing a link on your main page to allow visitors to may suggestions about wrong information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.199.136.183 (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Captain Cook
Although not part of WikiProject Hawai'i, I didn't know where else to address this, and it seems Hawai'i-related to me Captain James Cook is on the list of "British people murdered abroad". Is that accurate? That doesn't seem like a "neutral point of view" to me, but maybe that's just my opinion What do you think? 174.29.9.105 (talk) 04:44, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * He certainly died at the hands of the Hawaiians, but as I understand it, how to apportion the blame is debatable. In other words, a good question to which a definitive answer may not be forthcoming. Awien (talk) 01:17, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

New page needs lots of work
I discovered Aerospace in Hawaii at the speedy-deletion list, and I thought it might be workable as an article if changed to Aviation history of Hawaii. I've moved the article to that name, but it needs LOTS AND LOTS of work that I can't provide (not being knowledgeable on the subject), so I'm tossing it to y'all to do what you can with it. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 22:38, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposals

 * Gregory Heffley (talk) has proposed merging this article with the history section of the Hawaii article. I am proposing instead that we merge it as a section of Aviation in Hawaii. Peaceray (talk) 23:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposed renaming of Kama'aina
Please see the discussion page at Talk:Kama'aina where a move has been proposed to Kamaʻāina. --MelanieN (talk) 18:33, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Apostrophe problems
Same issue as above. Check Category:Census-designated places in Honolulu County, Hawaii and click "ctrl F" on your computer and enter '. There are many more in different categories. We should either use ʻokina and kahakō or not use them at all.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:25, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Shaved Ice Error
In the article on "Shaved Ice", The myth about the plantation workers using samurai swords to shave ice is doubtful, seeing as how the Japanese immigrants to Hawai'i Nei in the late 19th century are characterized by historical records as commoners and farmers from the southern island of Kyushu who specialized in wet agriculture, thus their usefulness with sugar cane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extrabadfish (talk • contribs) 08:51, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Anyone interested in a Hawaiian Wikipedia:Meetup?
Is anyone interested in doing a Meetup at some point. I am an editor with >2,000 live edits. Among my work are the citations for Chatt G. Wright, the Life in Denmark and Tunisia section, citations, & external links for Macel Leilani Wilson, the bibliography, citations, & external links for Robert Wintner, & the creation of the Pål Wessel article. I would like to get together for a face-to-face meetings. I am on Oahu, but that would not preclude meeting on one of the other islands if there was enough notice. Peaceray (talk) 21:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Update --- now see Wikipedia:Meetup/Oahu/1
Please see Meetup/Oahu/1 Peaceray (talk) 19:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Hawaii hotspot
I'm going to try and restart this old project, and your comments would be highly appreciated. Thanks =), <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 02:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Right so, leaving Hawaii hotspot aside, I would like to collab with some people on the two other remaining tasks&mdash;doing maintenance on Mauna Loa and FARing it, because it's quite an old FA, and getting Kilauea to GA status. Any volunteers? I would really appreciate the help with concluding this project. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 23:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been monitoring it for a while, but before it received protection Mauna Loa received an unusual amount of vandalism for such a non-controversial article. It would be good to give a good going-over. KarlM (talk) 03:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It's pretty high-visibility, that's the problem; see WikiProject Volcanoes/Popular pages. It's certainly not as up there as Iceland or Volcano, but it's there...<span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 05:53, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Anywho, if anyone wants to help me out with either task, they should yahoo on my talk page. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 19:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Kilauea
I'm interested in using the content from Kilauea in a rewrite. However, it's completely unsourced; anyone know where this is coming from, or can point me to a good reference? Thanks, <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 03:20, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Would any of these links help?










 * Peaceray (talk) 03:20, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll leaf through them, thanks! Got a lot of stuff rolling now, heh. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 04:23, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Hawaii will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Hawaii's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Alexis Bachelot
Hi everyone, the article on Alexis Bachelot, one of the first Catholic missionaries to Hawaii, is currently a featured article candidate. I'm very far from an expert in Hawaiian history, so it would be much appreciated if anyone who knows a lot/is interested in the history of Hawaii could review the article. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:42, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Relevant CfD
Please see here This conversation is getting more complicated and knowledgeable editors could probably be of assistance. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:46, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from GLAM-Wiki US
We currently have interest from the Imiloa Astronomy Center of Hawaii to begin a Wikipedia partnership and implement QRpedia codes. Please let me know if you are interested in assisting with this cooperation, either online or on-site. LoriLee (talk) 20:17, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Any interest in an Oahu Wiknic?
Is there any interest in a 2012 Wiknic on Oahu?

This could take one of three forms: just a picnic, a picnic combined with an edit-a-thon, or a Meetup.

If we do just a picnic, than an park or beach park could do. If we do a Wiknic / edit-a-thon combo, I suggest that we use one of our Hawaiʻi State Public Library System (HSPLS) branches that have a meeting room available on a Saturday and either are adjacent to a park or might have grounds that would accommodate a picnic if the branch would allow it. According to the

Below is information on the Oahu branches that have Saturday hours, meeting rooms / lanais, and possible picnic spots nearby:

Anyone interested, have suggestions, or other thoughts? Peaceray (talk) 02:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Update --- now see Wikipedia:Meetup/Oahu/1
Please see Meetup/Oahu/1 Peaceray (talk) 19:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Benjamin Dillingham
As I read the article about mister Dillingham I noticed that there was nothing about his role in↔↑↑ the Bayonet constitution or his membership in the Committee of Safety that eventually overthrew the Hawaiian nation. I think it is of great importance to the history of Hawaii.

Maydemia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.122.101.66 (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Barack Obama FAR
There is a discussion ongoing at Featured article review/Barack Obama/archive9Lihaas (talk) 16:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

WP MOS HAWAII active/in force
Hi, I'm just wondering if this still applies Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Hawaii-related articles. Also if there is any overview/connection to Tonga or other Polynesian? In ictu oculi (talk) 06:33, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Renaming Request Huakai-->Guam
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:HSC Huakai. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:24, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Some new pages that need work
I created Environmental issues in Hawaii and Energy in Hawaii to clean out and clean up Environment of Hawaii. They all need work. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 10:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Kīlauea
Hello guys, I've made strides on Kīlauea, but it's an enormous pain in the tush to find references for. Sort of the reverse of what I'm used to, the pipeline seems to consist of either very detailed scientific reports, or very irrelevant tourist information. I've stuck to the Hawaii Volcano Observatory so far, but they don't cover recreation nor ecology, both of which are going to need to be added to the article. So, to make a long story short, could any of you guys help me out a bit with the sourcing? The really good French article uses the Atlas of Hawaii extensively for its ecology section, so if someone has that book on hand it would be really helpful. Thanks in advance! Hopefully. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 00:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ecology is finished, anyone got anything on the Ancient Hawaiians and the volcano? <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 00:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Lānai (Hawaiian language)
Members of this project are invited to participate in the discussion happening at Talk:Lānai (Hawaiian language). Maile66 (talk) 12:12, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Kilauea (again)
Can you guys take a look at Kilauea and tell me what you think? Maybe even give me a ce on it? There's still work to be done, but it's mostly punched into shape. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 14:35, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Definitely could use a ce, but I just don't have much time for WP at the moment. Sorry! Awien (talk) 16:51, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Nor I, or rather, I've walled on this article. Does it look complete enough to pass GA? There's tons and tons to add on tourism that I don't have the patience to weed it out of crapsack sources. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 21:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment period on the Wikimedia United States Federation
There is a proposal for an an umbrella organization for chapters and other groups in the US called the Wikimedia United States Federation. A draft of the bylaws is now up at meta. There will be an open comment period on the bylaws 17 September, 2012 to 1 October, 2012. The comments received given will be incorporated into the bylaws and they will be put up to a ratification vote from 8 October, 2012 to 15 October, 2012. -- Guerillero &#124;  My Talk  21:47, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:Hawaiian players of American football
Category:Hawaiian players of American football, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:00, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Help me source more information about Tulsi Gabbard?
Hi! (Hope I'm not putting this request in the wrong place.) I'm working on improving the article on Tulsi Gabbard, who's just been elected as Representative for Hawaii's second Congressional district. I am requesting your help sourcing more information about her political views, important dates in her life, analysis of why she won the Democratic primary over Hanneman, her small business, her religious practice, and a few other details. I don't live in Hawaii so I'm not as familiar with local media. More details are on the Tulsi Gabbard talk page. Any help you can give is appreciated. Thanks! Sumana Harihareswara 14:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Within touching distance of this project's first GT (maybe FT)
All that's left is Mauna Loa, but touching up an old FA of its magnitude is no joke of a task. I would really, sorely appreciate some help, starting with some peer reviewing. Thanks ahead of time, guys. And perhaps I won't have to go through it alone :/ <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 22:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, who was I kidding. Nearing two months later and I estimate I'm 70% done. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;"><b style="color:#333333;">Res</b> Mar 04:27, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Anyone interested in working on the GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) WikiProject here in Hawaii?
Is there any on who is interested in working with the GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) WikiProject here in Hawaii? I am thinking specifically about working with the Hawaii State Foundation on Culture and the Arts / Hawaii State Art Museum & the Honolulu Museum of Art / commons:Category:Honolulu Museum of Art. Peaceray (talk) 02:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Restored MMfA citation in Liliuokalani: Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Liliuokalani. Peaceray (talk) 03:06, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

List of Counties in Hawaii
Hello Hawaii folks- I understand that the List of counties in Hawaii is a FL. I have however jut gotten the List of counties in WV to FL. I thought that after that experience, I would relate that te stadards fr a FL are now harder and as such, I hve started to look at all county lists in the US. Can ANYONE here look at the List of counties in Hawaii and HELP me find a resource, a book, etc etc that would tell me more about how counties in Hawaii were named. Aditionally, looking at the founding dates, Honolulu is indeed 1907, BUT it was originally founded as another name in 1905. Can we add data that would communicate that on this list? I would be willing to help in any way possible. Thanks Coal town guy (talk) 03:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)


 * (At least 4 different editions, so View all editions and formats on WorldCat.
 * According to the aforementioned text, Honolulu means "protected harbor", Maui is named after a demigod, Hawaii seems derived from a Polynesian word that means "home island" or "underworld", Kauai's meaning is unknown, & Kalawao seems to mean "announce mountain area".
 * Peaceray (talk) 05:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on use of 'okina in article texts
WikiProject Hawaii/Article alerts hasn't picked it up yet, but there's a move proposal at Talk:Hawaii which actually isn't a move proposal according to nominator: "the whole point of this is to form a consensus on what spelling is preferred in general, not to form some WP:LOCALCONSENSUS on some random Hawaii article." 17:04, 28 February 2013. Seems appropriate that WP Hawaii be notified. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Need a Hawaii expert...
...so I figured this was the best place to come! :) If someone(s) could have a look at Talk:Waipio,_Hawaii that would be much appreciated.

Regards, Daniel (talk) 01:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Daniel, Peaceray (talk) 05:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

People are not "discovered"
The sentence "Captain James Cook, the European to 'discover the Hawaiian islands and call them the "Sandwich Islands", was killed on the Big Island at Kealakekua Bay." should be changed to reflect the respect given to Native peoples in the 21st century.

Please bring the nomenclature up to date with something like Cook "was the first European... 'to make landfall at' or 'to visit' or 'to document' or 'to navigate to' the Hawai'ian Islands". Thank you. ˜˜˜˜ Wendy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.233.11 (talk) 21:35, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merger needs to be addressed
A proposal to merge Compositions by Liliuokalani into List of compositions and works by Liliuokalani was made January 2012 that has had absolutely no discussion that I can see, and doesn't look like it was put on the talk page here. These two pages were created within a month of each other in 2008 by the same user. — Maile (talk) 20:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

List of Hawaiian volcanos
List of volcanoes in the Hawaiian – Emperor seamount chain has been nominated to be removed from feature lists. Please comment at Featured list removal candidates/List of volcanoes in the Hawaiian – Emperor seamount chain/archive1. Thank you, Ego White Tray (talk) 03:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

File:NativeHawaiianGroup1890.jpg
File:NativeHawaiianGroup1890.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 08:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Need verification on death of Poncie Ponce
At Poncie Ponce, an unregistered user has input a death date of July 19, 2013. AGF on that, but there is no verification, and I find nothing by internet search. If anyone can provide a citation to Ponce's death, please cite it in the article. — Maile (talk) 11:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The only other Wikipedia posting by this unregistered user changed his birth name from Ponciano Hernandez to Ponciano Ponce. I just found a 2013 article on the Maui News that says his real name was Hernandez. — Maile (talk) 12:50, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Oceania banner
See WT:WikiProject Oceania, where a suggestion has been made to replace the *-nesia project banners with the new Oceania banner, because they are now in the Oceania hierarchy. As WPHAWAII is under the WPPolynesia hierarchy, you may be interested in considering that idea for WPHI. -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 08:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Takes America - Oahu
As part of Wikipedia Takes America and Wiki Loves Monuments USA, I invite you to become part of the
 * Wikipedia Takes America - Oahu event.

Peaceray (talk) 02:14, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Samuel Hoyt Elbert#Other books and other languages
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Samuel Hoyt Elbert. Peaceray (talk) 05:01, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment at Talk:TheBus (Honolulu)
I have opened a request for comment at Talk:TheBus (Honolulu) regarding the vehicle lists in the fleet section. Please feel free to review the matter and add to the discussion. Musashi1600 (talk) 11:17, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Expanding Royal family articles
I am in the middle of some research to expand many of the articles on the Hawaiian Royal Family. A recent discovery in my own family prompted an explosion of research by me on a number of figures. While doing this research it became apparent that some of our articles have a number of errors and are cutting themselves short by disregarding information available in, not only many other sources, but the sources that are being used already. I feel there is not enough balance in a number of articles and also seem to treat some information as absolute fact when the sources themselves do not. A recent discussion of title and styles of royalty has been very helpful and while many of the figures in Hawaiian history seem to be referred to as Prince, Princess etc., it seems that some explanation is in order to clarify the information. Seriously...one "Princess" was only called that as an honor by her supporters and while we can use such a title in the lead and article, it is showing bias and a lack of balance not to mention that they never received the title and style in any known decree.

Anyway, while many of the people referred to with such titles and styles may not have been official, the consensus of the general community is that the title may b included if supported by a reliable source. I just believe that when the RS states that there is or were contradicting information, that should be included. This is not to re-write any history, but make sure such history is not being re-written out of a confusion of the facts.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:19, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Overthrow or revolution
The takeover by the Committee of Safety in 1893 is most commonly referred to as the "Overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii" Not the Revolution of 1893. This is a matter of the most common name which is the title of the article. For this reason I have altered a template. The only place I see this referred to as a "revolution" is by U.S. Special Commisioner James Blount in his interviews of important businessmen after the situation almost leading them to conclude this was a revolution inspired by sugar prices and the wrong doing of others that the Committee of Safety was acting to protect against.

--Mark Miller (talk) 08:23, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

New Start Class biography
John Mahiʻai Kāneakua. --Mark Miller (talk) 13:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Honolulu Wikipedia Meetup
I am starting a Honolulu Wikipedia Meetup group. You are all welcome to suggests time & places for meeting. For me, the initial organizer, Tuesday evenings & Sundays (not too early!) work best. Peaceray (talk) 02:51, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update
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Ranai listed at Redirects for Discussion
, the name of a place in Indonesia, current redirects to the Lanai article, which is about a place in Hawaii. Your views in the discussion about what to do with this redirect are welcome at Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 March 3. Thryduulf (talk) 00:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in the Americas may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Hawaii regional cuisine
I have requested comments about the recent restoration of this stub here. Viriditas (talk) 02:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Which picture should be used for the lead image of Kamehameha I?
Please feel free to comment on an active dispute on Talk:Kamehameha I/Archive 1.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Hawaii edit-a-thon!
I'm interested in attempting to put together an edit-a-thon for Hawaiian cultural topics something during the Makahiki festival perhaps around the month of November. The hope is that our lackluster coverage of Hawaiian mythology could be improved with help from the Bishop Museum, Hawaii Pacific University, and the Honolulu public library. I am in the process of making initial contacts with these organizations as well as Wikimedia DC's GLAM project. If this sounds like something you might be interested in participating in, or perhaps helping to coordinate, could you please add your name to 2014 Makahiki Edit-a-thon?--v/r - TP 21:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Article move request.
There is currently a discussion underway to request an article under this projects scope be moved to a different title. There are actually many options and variations to this name so input is needed to determine a consensus. This involves using special characters in the article title and has touched on whether or not all articles with the ʻokina's and kahakō's should be moved to regular English spellings with redirects left per Wikipedia policy. This question has been raised recently and the community may wish to add input, change consensus or clarify and or strengthen consensus etc.. The discussion is at Talk:Pa'u riders. Thanks!--Mark Miller (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Talk:Pa'u riders definitely needs someone over there who understands the topic.  Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  03:21, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This will probably not garner much response. But if anybody does see this discussion, please comment also on the argument over the spelling within the article itself per Manual of Style/Hawaii-related articles. I argued for maintaining the correct forms in the Hawaiian language (seeing this an genuine exception to any policies the opposition may cite to use the incorrect forms) or excluding them altogether. Thanks. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:37, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Given that the two of you are wasting immense bandwidth on the issue, why not ask for a 3rd opinion if no one here cares?  Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk)  23:41, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Miller insults me everytime I try that move. Have you seen Talk:Kamehameha I? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:49, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As I said, when you asked for a third opinion twice before, try to have some extensive discussion first to at least attempt to use the talk page to work out disputes. Trying to further any discussion about me or your interpretations of my actions and your insult from it is just violating WP:NPA by discussing the contributor and not the contribution. You are not being neutral with that sort of notification at the project level when telling editors I am "insulting you" and then asking them if they have seen a talk page you link to. That could be seen as canvassing.


 * There is always going to be others that strongly disagree on a subjects that are close to you or that you feel you have invested a great deal of time on, but if you cannot assume good faith, collaborate and try find compromise you will end up in a negative situation. I am not here to piss you off and you are not here to be a thorn in my side but if this is the reality there are mechanism within the community that may need to be explored. You certainly have the right to ask for administrative intervention at WP:ANI if you feel something needs to be addressed by an admin who has the power to warn and block for especially egregious violations or missteps. You can also add your own opinion on issues and situations to help form consensus, I do. There are also other forms of dispute resolution such as WP:DRN (full disclosure; I am a volunteer at DRN but less active recently) which is informal mediation with a volunteer at that board that can be filed as a request for assistance to resolve content disputes and a more formal meditation with the Mediation committee, again, for content disputes. There is the Requests for comment/User conduct but should read the guidance first. This is for requesting the comment of editors to discuss user conduct. It is also where a rebuttal is given and editors are given two sections to endorse the user conduct report or the rebuttal and a section where editors may leave their views on the situation. An RFC/U will be certified or not. If not certified users who are the subject of the report need not do anything, but a calm, reasoned response is suggested but no need for point by point. The very last of the line can be formal arbitration with Arbitration committee which can sanction editors, block, ban and place articles under probationary sanctions that, if violated can garner warnings and/or blocks.
 * Personally, I think you are just very young and enthusiastic and may not understand all of Wikipedia's different aspects, let alone its policies and procedures. But you have been very clear that you no longer assume good faith and I have attempted to make some sort of peace and try to move forward but since you are wishing to involve others in the dispute in this manner, why not try one of the ways the community feels is best practice and see if that garners more attention. Either that, or lets try starting over again trying to collaborate, if not friends at least civil. I'll take the first step; I'm sorry KAVEBARE for anything I may have done that insulted you and I would like to thank you for your enthusiasm of last year when I first mentioned Kilinahe. We had both learned something back then and it was a nice feeling and I hope that we can continue to learn together as editors involved in the same subjects. Aloha and Mahalo! --Mark Miller (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Assistance requested
I'm interested in finally bruising through the second half of Mauna Loa and completing my long-suffering featured topic work on the volcanoes of the island of Hawaii. Any assistance, in particular with finding and integrating sources on the volcano's cultural history, observational history, ecology, and tourism significance, would be greatly appreciated. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#333333; font-size:small;">Res</b> Mar 01:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That is some excellent work. I might be able to add some cultural and other history related content with references. I will see what I can do.--Mark Miller (talk) 10:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Spam (food) page and its article class
Hello! A group of me and three other students (User: lhe3460, User:KathyQX94, User: mwong850, User: tkw32) at Cornell University intend to edit the Spam_(food) page as a class assignment and we would really value your feedback and ideas. The class is called Online Communities and will allow us to gain firsthand experience about joining a community online. We have proposed a list of changes to the article on the talk page along with a list of potential sources. We have some specific questions and it would be great if you could answer them! We noticed that the Spam page is listed as a B-class article in this WikiProject but a C-class article in WikiProject Food and Drink. Is there a reason why the classes are different? Are there any specific things you would like to see in the Spam article to improve it as a whole? --Lhe3460 (talk) 23:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Is image of use to the article Julia Alapai?
. I deleted this image as having no encyclopedic value as the image has no recognizable features. It was reverted so I wanted to ask here at the project if editors felt the image improves the article it is on?--Mark Miller (talk) 04:17, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Island of Maui, Hana coastline
I was told by a man who claimed to be the heir of the Georgia Electric company named Brad and Virginia Guiste from Diamnond Head, since deceased (estate now in trust) that he gave the Hana Coastline or a large portion of it to the State some years ago (maybe in the 60's or 70's). I have no other information on this except that he was very wealthy and had no reason to create a false story. If this is true, it would seem to be a valuable part of the History of Hana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:7:1680:73E:9BE:84FC:5D52:409B (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Commons/NARA files need classifying
Media from NARA needing categories as of 21 September 2011, I happened to click on this one because it had the largest number of yet uncategorized - 1,550 of them. And scattered throughout this I found a number of images relating to Hawaii. They're not in any particular order and interspersed with other images. Some aren't even really labeled as being related to Hawaii, but I bet is related. Anyway, it's worth a look-see if anyone thinks they have time to categorize any of them. — Maile (talk) 15:52, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Hawaii Edit a thon - Jan 24, 2015
The signup page is here: http://www.meetup.com/2014-Hawaii-Wikipedia-Edit-a-thon/events/219029700/ .--v/r - TP 23:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Mele Kalikimaka
To everyone on the WikiProject Hawaii! Have a bright Hawaiian Christmas!--Mark Miller (talk) 16:49, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Hear hear! And Merry Christmas to you, Mark. Awien (talk) 17:13, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Category:Songwriters from Hawaii and Category:Hawaiian songwriters
Am I missing something, or are these the same thing by a different name? postdlf (talk) 20:11, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


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Kealapuali Ranch, Kailua, Big Island
FYI - In categorizing images on Commons, I ran across this set from HASB. I don't see this on the NRHP list, but I'm sure someone versed in the island's history knows of this. Kealapuali, a Hawaiian name meaning "The Warrior Path," is a tract of land located on the west side of the island of Hawaii. Thought to have been a trail that the ancient Hawaiians used in times of battle, Kealapuali was of little use to the native population except for bird catching and hewing timber for canoes. After the Great Mahele of 1848 and the Land Act of 1850, foreigners purchased large tracts of land throughout the Hawaiian archipelago. During this time, there were many wild cattle and sheep which roamed the slopes of Hualalai. In 1873, Charles Wall received a lease for a sheep station at Kealapuali and built the first wooden structures. It was at this time that world traveler, Isabella Bird, stayed as a guest of the Wall family and recorded much of what is known about Kealapuali at that time. Later in 1879 H.N. Greenwell acquired the lease of the property. The Greenwell family continued the sheep business until the middle 1880s. In 1885 H.N. Greenwell, together with a Portuguese man named Manuel Golarte, formed a partnership and started a successful dairy. They constructed a new residence and a dairy, as well as a chapel, due to the remoteness of their location. This site served and continues to serve as a significant contributor to the developing of Hawaii's cattle industry.

I don't see a WP article about it. But if anyone is curious, the Commons images can be found. — Maile (talk) 22:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Marcus "Dyrus" Hill listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Marcus "Dyrus" Hill to be moved to Dyrus. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 23:20, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride!
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 * 1.) Create or improve LGBT-related articles and showcase the results of your work here


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Talk:Kalolaa-kumukoa#Requested move
Please give an opinion on Talk:Kalolaa-kumukoa and check the sources on the issue. Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:46, 3 July 2015 (UTC)