Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hip hop/Archive 2

Track listings
I've seen the "track listing" sections of certain hip hop album articles formatted like this, with the tracks in boxed form, and other albums formatted in the same way as non-hip hop albums, without the box. What is the correct way to format track listing sections? (72.153.217.59 22:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC))


 * Both are acceptable, per WP:ALBUM. Use a table only if there the track listing section contains additional info besides track number, track name, songwriting credits and track length (which should always be present). --PEJL 05:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion (AFD)
similar to the PROD section above, here's some current hip-hop related AFDs you can contribute an opinion on. cheers.  tomasz.  10:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * October 18: Pumpkinhead, Orange Moon Over Brooklyn.

Help!

 * Thanksgiving Week:

Could somebody come over to this AfD discussion and save this article? I had just created the article LL Cool J - Kool Moe Dee battle this past week, and I knew something was up when FOUR MINUTES after I first posted it, it was tagged for deletion! So the debate has gone on, and the person who tagged it (a bit of a delete freak I can see from complaints on his page) insists it is all "interpretation", "innuendo" and "rumor". All I do is chronicle the series of dis records the to made against each other, with some brief quotes, a reference from FOUNDATION, MTV, ohhla, and several other links which they reject because they are from blogs, (I see most references from these types of articles are), or some other bogus reasons. I keep saying it was a lyrical battle, so I don't know what kind of "sources" they want! So now, he says this should only be a brief reference in the articles of the rappers. (And I notice the LL Cool J article also has no mention of the battle; though a long time ago, it once did). I thought it funny that this, one of the most popular battles in hip hop history, would not have an article like all the others. So what was even more odd, is that there had apparently been an article called "LL Cool J vs Kool Moe Dee", which you can find on mirror sites, but is long gone from here. It seems like someone doesn't want there to be an article on this battle. Nobody's scrutinizing the other articles in hip hop rivalries like this. Eric B (talk) 04:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Feuds
Should these sections remain? I am looking at the Lil Wayne article and the feuds seem to take up unnecessary room. There is also a tag that says they may be unencyclopedic. --WheezyF 15:42, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

T-Rock
T-Rock is currently under deletion review. Here is the discussion.  T Rex  | talk  19:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Damon Bryson
The Damon Bryson needs help in the debate to stay alive. Thanks--DerRichter (talk) 13:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Jae Millz
The Jae Millz article reads like a press release and needs to be heavily revised. Jamiem (talk) 13:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Suspicious contributions
Quote from WikiProject Music/Noticeboard: Help with serial hoaxer/spammer I've indefinitely blocked & sockpuppet. I am not familiar enough with hip-hop to know what information added is incorrect, but these accounts have a history of creating hoaxish/spamish content that should be reviewed. Thanks, &mdash; Scientizzle 16:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC) I hope you can deal with this, as needed. -- Pepve (talk) 20:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, any help would be appreciated. Thanks, &mdash; Scientizzle 22:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Has the very biased version of the article on Gangsta Rap been fixed yet? wiki_is_unique (talk) 14:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I have another question, why is it that people who have no understanding of hip hop or rap go on articles to try and have "critism" sections (which are overgrown essays on why they hate hip hop) and then in the ARTICLES themselves try to edit it with biased additions? wiki_is_unique (talk) 13:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been consistently removing stuff for a few weeks, while trying to leave content that more experienced editors can source. However, it does get tiring, especially when the same/similar info just keeps being added back in mass and volume and to a bunch of  other (or newly created) articles. Feel free to look at my contribs; each article I've edited probably has a dozen more articles related by edit or editor.
 * Based on my limited experience, I don't get the feeling of a hoax; the edits just looked like persistent, consistent corporate-esque spam by a few long-term accounts and a bunch of incented/encouraged volunteers/fans/paid-by-the-pound spammers who work by specific instruction, in mass and at altitudes that don't trigger annoyance, controversy, attention or willingness to intervene.
 * But it's a shame that legitimate articles are suffering. DJ Drama, for instance, is the subject of legitimate press articles (I added a few as external links as my time was limited), and is part of a pretty interesting and controversial music area, yet the history of the article is basically back and forth edits about unsourced and insignificant info nn links and album gossip.Flowanda | Talk 02:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Esther Baxter
Can anyone find a free image for Esther Baxter? appreciate it. And note that Wikipedia is not censored.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 22:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Success - N - Effect
Can anyone help expand this article?--Dr who1975 (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Hip hop fashion photos needed
The hip hop fashion article desperately needs photos of old school hip hop fashion - like 1980s or earlier, even the 1990s I don't think we have a picture of. If anyone could dig out some pictures of themselves or their friends from that time period, it would be great. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Requests page
I'm curious to know what this Wikiproject thinks about the page Requested articles/music/Hip hop. Do you use it? Is it worth having a separate page just for hip hop, or should the artists be trimmed of promotional requests and integrated into the performers page? Chubbles (talk) 08:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello everyone...
...roll call. This project was recently tagged inactive, for good reason if you ask me. This topic is too important not to have a dedicated project for improving its articles, especially with its vast broadness, the amount it's written about here, and the poor state of many of the articles. So who's still here?  tomasz.  22:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Given the state of most hip hop articles in Wikipedia, even (especially?) the most important ones, it might be advisable to let sleeping dogs lie, as far as old members are concerned. 86.44.17.45 (talk) 04:44, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject hip hop: Articles of unclear notability
Hello,

there are currently 26 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 2008-03-12 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

The Chronic Peer Review
It says on the Peer Review page that I should ask around WikiProjects for people to help out reviewing the article. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 18:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * For a start, you should back up everything sourced from allmusic with another source just on general principles, even though Huey is pretty much on point here (about Snoop in particular). They are, um ... eccentric ... in their hip hop coverage. I wish they were banned from hip hop articles, frankly. Why they can get specialists to write knowledgeably about niche metal genres and yet trust their hip hop coverage to dilettantes is beyond me.


 * The rapcentral piece is good, but unsigned, as far as I could see, and you need to rewrite bits of it that you've used in your own words a bit more, I think. Also I dispute believed by some to be the best produced hip-hop album of all time, I've never read anyone say that outside of the rapcentral piece and they don't offer that opinion themselves, so who? Isn't there anything about the sheer amount of guests on this album? And isn't there a lot that has been said about Lady of Rage's contribution, particularly her verse on "Lyrical Gangbang", ferocious female given a platform vs. misogyny charges elsewhere sort of thing? Perhaps not, but hmm. The Beastie Boys are a bad example of pre-92 party music type stuff for various reasons (including this), and indeed the cite (allmusic again aargh!) doesn't back it up too well. Why not use, say, Kid 'n Play, Heavy D, or DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince?

86.44.17.45 (talk) 05:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer review - Dr. Dre
As some editors might have observed, I have contributed to the improvement of the Dr. Dre article from fall 2007 to just near a month ago, and I've opened a peer review for the article so that we can improve it to reach Good Article status - feature I'm not sure since there's no "free' images for Dre available online for wikipedia to use. Any help/feedback can be appreciated. Thanks! --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 03:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Requiring your attention on Hip hop articles
Please pay attention to Talk:Hip_hop_music, as well as Talk:Rapping and Talk:Hip_hop_music. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Fix multiple hip-hop general pages
I'm just becoming active in the hip hop project, so feel free to refer me to the archives. Can we get together and do something about this ridiculous situation of repetitive pages (hip hop, hip hop music, hip hop music, rap music, rapping)? Why not rely on disambiguation tags at the top of articles? "Rap music" and "Hip Hop (music)" can go to the same page (I would support "Hip Hop (music)" to keep it expansive). Then "Hip Hop culture" and "rapping (technique)" can be separate. Let me know if I can help in cleaning up and organizing these pages. --Junius49 (talk) 22:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, disregard some of my above comments. Rap music is redirected to Hip hop music -- and rap redirect to rapping.  That's great, but why two pages for Hip hop, which is mostly about the music, and Hip hop music? I've proposed a merge. --Junius49 (talk) 22:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidate alert
Insane Clown Posse is a current featured article candidate. Users may wish to contribute to the discussion viewable at Featured article candidates/Insane Clown Posse. ~ Eóin (talk) 04:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like it failed as well as Featured article candidates/Doggystyle. ~ Eóin (talk) 18:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 658 of the articles assigned to this project, or 31.1%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-06-18.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  21:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

A Request
Does anybody know the release history of The Game's album, "LAX"? It was released in the U.S. on August 26, but I'd like have the release dates in other countries. Fclass (talk) 21:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Southern hip hop
It may be of interest to this WikiProject that this article has been reduced to one sentence. Chubbles (talk) 14:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems to have been taken care of. Chubbles (talk) 21:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Hip hop
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Johnny "J"
Nobody has yet provided a reliable source for the death of Johnny "J". I'm at my 3 revert limit, and I can't find a source that meets WP:RS. Little Red Riding Hood  talk  19:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Genres in infoboxes
There's currently an important discussion going on about the removal of genre fields in band and album infoboxes. You can read the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music and provide any opinions you may have. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Any suggestions- hip hop songs for nonnative speaker students
Hi, I'm an English teacher in Taiwan. I'm looking for hip hop/rap songs for my students to practice English. They can't be too fast, absolutely can't contain profanity (if I'm lucky I might be able to get away with "shit"), and hopefully would have some sort of uplifting or socially conscious theme.. so the only one I have so far is Black Eyed Peas "Where Is The Love?". Any suggestions? Thanks Ling.Nut (talk&mdash;WP:3IAR) 10:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Hip Hop Chess Federation article creation help
Hi anyone who can help me create an article about HHCF please contact me. I will hunt down material but I can't create the page from scratch. Thank you. User:Lakermangmx —Preceding undated comment was added at 09:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC).

I have a small project for any experienced user(s).
Cross-posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music.

Hey, you! Yes, you!!


 * Are you an experienced Wikipedian?
 * Do you like music?
 * Ever wished you could do half the work for an article and get all the credit?

Then I have a project for you! I would like a neutral, encyclopedic article written about a band called The Blend, and have prepared a good set of references and an infobox to assist you.

I would also appreciate it if several people would watchlist the article.

Thank you very much for your efforts. Grand master  ka  23:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles in need...
I've come across some articles about early hip hop and to my surprise most of them are in bad shape: I don't know if there's any interest in improving those articles, but I may help if you want.-- Avant-garde a clue - hexa Chord 2  19:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Grandmaster Flash: Confusing mix of personal career of Saddler and Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five, both have hardly any references; the ladder was not even tagged for this project
 * Afrika Bambaataa: History jumps back and forth in time, is this really worth a B-class rating?
 * The Fat Boys: Not yet received a rating for quality or importance, weak pictures, missing citations, no structure
 * Also no assessment yet: DJ Disk, DJ Qbert, Extrakd etc.
 * No references: Rammellzee

Nicknames
Hi I think the nicknames of singers like 50 Cent, Ciara, Kanye West, Jay-Z etc. should be integrated in the articles about them. I thought this information had already been there (at some time), in the background information-box, but so far I've only discovered it in the Eminem-article.

I don't know if that's a problem that should be discussed specificially for Hip hop or for music in general because I don't have a clue about the nicknames of rock or popstars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.85.221 (talk) 21:47, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. &mdash; Delievered by §hepBot  ( Disable )  on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 05:37, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Arular
Hi there

I was wondering if anyone from this project might be interested in checking out this current FAC....?

Cheers! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposed revision to Featured List criteria which may affect many of this project's FLs
Hello, there is currently a proposal for a revised Featured List criteria which would see the addition of a stand-alone list/content forking/notability criterion. If it passes, many of this project's FLs will be affected by it and could be delisted. Any input from any project members would be very welcome. Thanks, Scorpion 0422  14:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Notification
nominated List of awards and nominations received by Akon for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks, where editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. iMatthew : Chat  13:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Sicx
Could somebody take a look at the Sicx albums? The release dates in the infoboxes don't match the release dates in the article text. For example, Dead 4 Life says it was released in 1995, and so does the infobox, but Dead 4 Life says it was preceded by Nigga Deep in 1994, but the article for Nigga Deep says it came out in 1998, so there's no way it could have preceded Dead 4 Life. Those all need to be fixed, somehow. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 03:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

List of awards and nominations received by Coolio
nominated List of awards and nominations received by Coolio for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks, where editors may declare to "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Producer notability
I've been trying to find sources to support the article Blac Elvis but it's proving difficult to find anything substantial, are producers such as him generally considered to be notable? Guest9999 (talk) 16:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

The Game (rapper) GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed The Game (rapper) for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 22:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

African American culture
I think we all know that by now Hip Hop is international. But the roots of Hip Hop are strongly related to (though not the same things as!) African American culture Despite this the article on African American culture hardly mentions Hip Hop at all with respect to fashion, music and art. Can some of the Hip Hop experts help out this with this weeks article improvement drive for African American culture, by adding some good sourced info on Hip Hop to the article? I'd do it myself, but my knowledge is limited and I was not able to find any sources.

I just think that it should be mentioned, and in a way that makes it clear that Hip Hop and African American culture are NOT the same thing, but that for many people Hip Hop is a big part of our culture. Who can help me out? Here, let me link it again for you: African American culture <<-- go there. futurebird 14:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding undated comment added 05:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC).

GA Reassessment of In da Club
I have done a GA Reassessment of In da Club as part of the GA Sweeps project. Everything about the article is fine except for some dead links. My review is here with the list of dead links. I have held the article pending the necessary fixes. I am notifying the interested projects about the dead links in the hopes that they can be repaired. If you have questions please contact me on my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 04:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Fueds/"beefs"
I've been reading through many of the big-name rapper articles recently and I notice a fairly consistent lack of quality in most of them. It seems like there is too much diehard fan influence in most of the articles, leading to problems in language and neutrality among other things.

One problem is that almost every article uses the word "beef" instead of fued; maybe this is just my opinion but I feel that "beef" is a very unencyclopedic word; it is important to clarify the meaning, but then use words such as fued, the same way that the neighborhood and ghetto articles do not use the term "hood" beyond listing it as an alternative term.

Beyond this, most articles focus far too much attention on these fueds, which leads to overly long and detailed lists of "he said this and he said that". Additionally, the fued sections inevitably end up full of NPOV terms such as "cheap shot" and "deserved" - though NPOV is a problem throughout most of the articles in general.

It doesn't look like this talk page gets a lot of attention anyway; I'll try to go around expunging the word "beef" by myself. Some guy (talk) 10:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)