Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Holidays/Archive 6

Father Christmas and Santa Claus
Okay my opinion here is that, as they both have different articles, but are the same people, they should be merged? Suggestions?  ←Kala  jan→   17:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * oppose Absolutely not, different origins. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 18:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * oppose The current accepted british history describes a much younger gift giver origin in Father Christmas than in the histories of Joulupukki or St. Nicholas. it would not be inappropriate to mention details of father christmas in the santa claus article and visa versa, but a merge a bad move. Some thing (talk) 19:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In my opinion they're the same person.  ←Kala  jan→   21:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Your opinion is wrong. Every country has its own origins. For example in the United States Santa Claus is loosely based on Saint Nicholas. They are different people, but sometimes their names are synonomous. Note: I'm not trying to be controlling, Its just that every country has their own take on the same myth. Theres many more pages like this, should Christkind be merged too? The obvious answer is no, Although they are virtually the same, they are different. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 21:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Christmas light sculptures - your attention is requested
Greetings. :-) Someone from the visual arts WikiProject wants the article about Christmas light sculptures to be deleted. Since this has much more to do with Christmas (and other holidays and celebrations) than visual arts, I would like to ask each of you to look at the article and have some input on this before the discussion closes at the end of the day (UTC) on March 6th.  Thanks.  –radiojon (talk) 07:59, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks. — Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}κοντριβς – WP Physics} 09:14, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)

Proposed move Maundy Thursday to Holy Thursday

 * 6 Apr 2009 – Move requested from Maundy Thursday (talk) to Holy Thursday; see discussion. --Boston (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Christmas task force
Would the members of this project like to see the project banner adjusted to allow for separate assessments for the Christmas task force? As one of the leading editors over at WikiProject Christianity, I would also like to know if you would want a link to the task force on the Christianity WikiProject's navigation template or not. Please let me know your decisions. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 14:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * it would seem more important that there be links from the holiday wikiproject. the christmas task force seems to be completely independent of this project to the point that i didn't even know about it until i saw this post. to only link from the christianity project creates an exclusively christianity interested task force. Some thing (talk) 15:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

National Day
I do not think that Quebec should be included in a list of National Days. As of now, it is not a nation but a province within Canada. 70.48.70.135 (talk) 01:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)Rolf N. Pedersen
 * While Quebec is a province, the Quebecois were declared a nation in Nov 2006. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061127/quebec_motion_061127/20061127?hub=TopStories Some thing (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Popular pages
User:Mr.Z-man has a new service available to various requesting WikiProjects which gives the project a monthly update of the number of hits on the 1,000 most frequently accessed articles for that project. An example of such a listing can be found at WikiProject Christianity/Popular pages. Would the members of this project be interested in getting such a list for their use? John Carter (talk) 18:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that would be useful. Some thing (talk) 18:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Portal Peer Review
Comments/suggestions would be appreciated at Portal peer review/Christmas/archive1! – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 14:44, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Call for editors to help manage religion related content
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 19:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Remove Cyber Monday from Project Scope
Cyber Monday is a propaganda term created by the National Retail Federation to generate interest in retail sales by claiming that the Monday following Black Friday is the busiest day of online purchasing of the year.

As it stands currently, the page describing this term is listed as being a Holiday covered by the WikiProject Holidays team. I recommend that to maintain the integrity of the Project's goals that this page be removed from its inclusion.

Nougat77 (talk) 00:21, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe it is tagged by the project because it is included in both Template:Thanksgiving and Template:Christmas, and both of those subjects are clearly relevant to this project. While I appreciate your concerns for the project's "integrity", I have to say that (1) I can't see how placing the banner on a clearly relevant article damages that integrity, as the banner itself uses the more or less neutral phrasing that the article is "within the scope of"the project, and (2) whether you knew this or not, we try to determine the relevance of articles in an entirely NPOV way, as per WP:NPOV. In a sense, and I am speaking here as an admin who has worked extensively in project development, we really want to see every article tagged by at least one relevant project. By doing so, people who have questions or complaints about a given article, as well as any proposals for deletion, merger, or whatever, have a project with hopefully interested editors who will be likely to either directly know or be able to find answers to questions or ways to address other concerns. The term and subject is clearly notable enough for an article. We aren't taking any sort of position on the article other than indicating we are, as it were, a "contact group" for it. John Carter (talk) 00:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

My counter argument was going to be, "Well if we categorize a marketing noun as part of a holiday, then Turkey_(bird) should also be included...and it already is.

I appreciate the clarification. I just wanted to ensure that this was not being accepted as a "Holiday" or event. Thanks! Nougat77 (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Books
Anyone interested in helping put together a book on Christmas? The sooner we get it done, the more attention I think it is likely to get. John Carter (talk) 16:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Portal:Holidays - suggestion/question regarding how to select material for it
For this portal to be optimumly effective, I think it would make sense if it were set up in such a way as to highlight article related to specific important holidays on the days of those holidays. The portal could for all other days be set up, probably with redirects, to the content relating to the next holiday to be included in the rotation. If this were to be done, however, I think it would help a lot if we had a clear idea regarding which holidays were important enough to be included. A few that come to mind: What other holidays would the rest of you suggest? John Carter (talk) 17:14, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Halloween
 * Christmas
 * Easter

Santa wants to have a Christmas book to give out
But we haven't made one yet. Books does not yet have a Christmas book. Any little elves who want to help in this noble cause should indicate as much below, and if we're lucky the old fatso might leave you a pretty shiny pointy thing on your userpage. John Carter (talk) 19:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Add Location in Article Structure
The location of where the holiday is observed is generally a relevant and important detail of a holiday, as most festivals and holidays are location specific. I propose a section on location be added in the article structure and infobox. --Myaoon (talk) 11:10, 15 December 2009 (UTC)