Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong/Archive 4

Copyedit request for Rob-B-Hood
I've submitted Rob-B-Hood to the League of Copyeditors, but they have been taking a while to respond. So, if anyone of you are free, please go and copyedit the article. Thanks.--Alasdair 00:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Bus Uncle to appear on main page on Sept 7
This just in! It seems that The Bus Uncle is chosen to be on the main page on September 7! It's totally unbelievable!--Alasdair 06:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That is fantastic, but the image, which will be soon displayed on the Main Page, is not related to the incident. That is only a random bus image. Consider changing it. -- Jack l  09:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think comments would be more noticable on Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/September 7, 2007. Anyway we are constrained because stills from the clip itself cannot be on main page (not fair use). This is better than no image, which quite a number of recent film/song TFAs have sported. Resurgent insurgent 00:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter now, I've taken a pic of a Route 68X bus on the road and uploaded it to Wikipedia. It's currently being used.--Alasdair 01:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking good. Benjwong 02:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Milton Friedman
I would like to add Milton Friedman into the WP:HK because he is very related to Hong Kong. Any idea? Raymond Giggs 12:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

You do not need to ask, but in this case, I don't think Milton is very related to Hong Kong. he just said something about Hong Kong. -- Jack l  09:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Rob-B-Hood FAC
Hello,

Just to let you know, I've nominated Rob-B-Hood for featured article status. Feel free to go there and post your comments on it, since few people have said anything so far.--Alasdair 13:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Help!
We need a bit of help determining the notability of a video game from Hong Kong called Little Fighter Online. We are unable to find any English sources to prove its notability, and the main one that has been used up to now is this page, which none of the editors concerned can actually read! Any help on the contents of the page and whether or not it is a reliable source, and whether or not it proves the game's notability, would be greatly appreciated. Cheers,  Mi re ma re  17:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Winning a Hong Kong Trade Development Council (ref 2) award gives it notability.--Alasdair 07:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have looked the page you have given and it is not in English at all but is simplified Chinese. Do your users concerned don't know how to read simplified Chinese?(Addaick 12:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC))
 * No, that's why I brought it here, nobody can read it. Can you provide any details on it?  Mi re ma re  13:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to say that the web page actually can't provide any further information to the Little Fighter Online article. May be we can search for other web page:) (Addaick 12:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC))
 * Yes, hopefully there are others too. What kind of page is the one I linked to? Is it promotional or a review or other feature on the game? Is games.tom.com a reliable source for references?  Mi re ma re  17:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally, that page is used to introduce the game. For example, it gives a brief information of each mode. That's all. Interestingly it seems that the Wikipedia article has more information than that page. If you ask about whether tom.com is reliable, I can say Yes since many games can also found there. I am not a professional game player but I think you can find more info in sina.com, which is a bigger website for introducing games but most likely in Chinese. I suggest you find help from users which come from Hong Kong also:) (Addaick 08:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC))
 * Yes, it would be useful. :) Thanks for your help.  Mi re ma re  17:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a Chinese video game category. The pictures on that page need licenses or they will all end up getting deleted.  Benjwong 17:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * So, what about the games.tom.com article? Should it be added as reference, and if so, what should be done for non-Chinese speakers? Maybe if someone on the talk page certifies it as actual Chinese reference about the game (for non-Chinese speakers doubting that), it would prevent it from being removed again? The AfD also had turned up two other references, but they are in yet another language, so the problem is the same - someone not understanding them might remove them. --Allefant 09:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that it is a good way for someone certificating that the reference is real and is notability enough to be listed on the reference list. (Addaick 12:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC))

The English video game reviewers can barely cover Japanese games that haven't been ported to English. Chinese games are no different. To require an English source for an international game is not possible. Benjwong 21:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment on Jackie Chan
I've started a request for comment on Jackie Chan's personal life in Talk:Jackie Chan. Feel free to go and comment.--Alasdair 01:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month
The subject of possibly disabling our Collaboration of the Month was brought up a few months ago (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong) and I don't see any opposition so far. I'll give it a few more days and if there are still no objections, I'll be putting the Template:Historical on it and delinking it from pages around WP. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright I've disabled the COTM. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Some good news
The Hong Kong article was ranked top 19 out of 2 million wikipedia pages on views for the month of July 2007. Check out the statistics. It just beat Dragonball Z by alittle. Benjwong 22:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's good news. And it looks like the article was ranked higher than any other articles of countries or cities.  But it makes me sad that the Dragon Ball Z article is ranked so high, and that just a few ranks below is List of Pokémon.  There are too many otakus on WP.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not as much otaku as there are juvenile kids. _dk 04:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Are there any reasons for the sudden rise in July? &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 04:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Tenth anniversary of the handover, most likely. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Never knew that many people would be interested in the anniversary. I mean, we only have 7 million people.--Alasdair 04:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Is amazing how many times pokemon gets up there. Benjwong 17:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I think a number of notable Western magazines wrote about the anniversary. Most of them basically grudgingly admitted that Hong Kong didn't go to hell under PRC rule like they predicted 10 years ago. What annoys me is that they're always talking about how the PRC doesn't give HK true democracy and universal suffrage, but they never really talk about how the British never gave HK democracy either until the last few years of colonial rule when the Brits know they don't have to deal with the long-term consequences of universal suffrage in HK. Democracy is need in HK for sure, but Western media doesn't really care about HK, they just want another reason to blast the PRC. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The situation is different between British or PRC rule. Hong Kong emerged as middle class society in mid-1980s and hence citizens became more and more demanding on civil rights.   It was the time of worry about the future of Hong Kong.  You might notice more social movements for Hong Kong citizens themselves even since.  People cared more than livelihood. Human rights, universal suffrage, nationality, freedom of speech, religion and more have been the hot topics in Hong Kong from 1980s.  And more, PRC and Paramount Leader Deng promised that Hong Kong citizens will have the right of universal suffrage after 1997.  The pledge has never been realised.   If PRC has already done what they promised to Hong Kong citizen, no media could say a word against PRC on this issue.  &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 08:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I want HK to have universal suffrage, and I know that HKers have become much more politically active after 1997 - I think that's good. My only point is that Western media only wants a reason to say negative things about PRC when they talk about democracy in HK.  They don't care as much about HK itself.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok this depends. The one country two system wasn't designed to buy HK time.  It was designed to give the PRC about 50 years to figure out what to do with HK.  You should thank the western media.  If a hair moves the wrong way, the world will point fingers at the PRC as if to say "the British handled HK better than you."  Maybe not on universal suffrage, but at least on some issues.  If the PRC was really afraid of western media, they would have dumped the CCP in favor of another party.    It is the easiest international target right now.  Easier than any terror organization, they are sitting duck for the media especially for the upcoming olympics.  Benjwong 21:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed move Clock Tower, Hong Kong --> Former Kowloon-Canton Railway Clock Tower
An editor has expressed interest in moving the Clock Tower, Hong Kong article to Former Kowloon-Canton Railway Clock Tower or the Tsim Sha Tsui Clock Tower. Interested editors should contribute to the discussion found under the Requested Move heading on the Clock Tower talk page. Luke! 17:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Tsim Sha Tsui Clock Tower would seem better. Benjwong 17:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could comment on the Talk page of that article? Not too many editors have commented on it so far.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Those district emblems
Alright I've posted a question on the Media copyright questions board to ask if I can upload those district emblems here in English WP under non-free fair use. Hopefully the answer is yes. I have them all saved in my local computer - actually I just downloaded them off Chinese WP. If I get no objections on the Media copyright questions board, I'll upload them and stick them back in each of the district's articles. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, there didn't seem to be any objections, so I've uploaded all the district emblems under fair use. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

A rewrite on Wah Yan College Cats - first draft
I am now attempting on a rewrite of Wah Yan College Cats on the basis of reliable sources. The article was deleted earlier in April through AfD because it was considered non-notable. The first draft is at User:Raphaelmak/Workpages/Wah Yan College Cats. I am considering to use a number of newspaper articles I have found as sources, as WP:CORP states that newspaper articles that are not published by the subject or at the direction of the subject qualifies as secondary sources, and in turn qualifies notability. Any constructive comments welcome. -- : Raphaelmak : [ talk ] [ contribs ] 13:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I have added more sourced information to the draft, please comment. -- : Raphaelmak : [ talk ] [ contribs ] 09:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you say it is a non-profit organization, then it will probably be fine. Benjwong 23:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment, the draft is now modified. Any other feedbacks?-- : Raphaelmak : [ talk ] [ contribs ] 10:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you tried creating the article to see if others will delete it? Source is not the problem, but will others think it is notable enough?    Benjwong 03:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Motorola CPU articles
The articles list contains Motorola_6800 and a number of other CPU articles, including 68k. These articles probably should not be included in this project, as they have no particular link to Hong Kong. Robert Hiller 16:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't looked at the other articles besides Motorola 6800 - it seems like the WPHK tag was added by User:Sesshomaru in August. But currently the article makes no mention of Hong Kong whatsoever.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Strange. Benjwong 23:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Concur with Robert Miller. No one has defended the template placement, so I'll put it on my list for removal, after notifying the editor apparently responsible. ww (talk) 08:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Which dim sum
Can someone identify this dim sum? The photo might be useful. Badagnani 16:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It is 豆苗餃 (Tau Miu Kau in Hong Kong Cantonese, Pea shoot dumpling and bean sprout dumpling in English). I think it is a new kind of Hong Kong dim sum that was "invented" in Hong Kong restaurants in a few years ago.  &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 17:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it looks like a see-through (clear) jiaozi to me. I see some green vegetables in there too (maybe gailan leaves?). Can we make an article for this? Badagnani 17:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You should start an article on it. I won't unfortunately.  Benjwong 23:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I can see something white inside the dumpling and I think there is prawns too. Is it? (Addaick 14:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Nope, there are no prawns in it. It's a purely vegetable dumpling.--Alasdair 16:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So what is that white thing? (Addaick 12:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Some do have prawns inside. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 16:36, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Consensus sought on proposed merging of Madame Tussauds Hong Kong with Madame Tussauds
Dear folks, an editor named 'Rtphokie' has recently suggest the merging of Madame Tussauds Hong Kong with Madame Tussauds. While I understand the rationale for the merge, I'm concerned about the prospect of vandalism, uncited edits (usually anonymous) and edit wars which are reportedly high on Madame Tussauds page itself (according to its history logs) and most importantly, the likely diminishing of the Hong Kong identity in it. I would greatly appreciate if interested editors could discuss at the article talk page so that we could reach a consensus on this matter soon. Thank you. -- Aldwinteo 04:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've left a note earlier for 'Rtphokie' and he has responded on the article talk page. Kindly review and comment. -- Aldwinteo 14:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pleased to inform that the above merger issue has been fully resolved as per discussion & follow-up action mentioned on its talk page recently. Much thanks to Hong Qi Gong & Luke! for their timely feedback & support in the discussion. As I've further expanded & updated its content recently, I've nominated the article for DYK review so that its exposure can help to raise the profile of HK-related articles & WikiProject Hong Kong. FYI. -- Aldwinteo 05:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Rob-B-Hood underreviewed
Hello guys. Having been listed for an FAC for a long time, Rob-B-Hood is still underreviewed. So, I'd be grateful if you post some comments about the article at Feature article candidates/Rob-B-Hood. Thank you.-- Alasdair 13:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I think the article is still not good enough. Raymond Giggs 16:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do you say that? I think it can do a little tweaking, but not that far off. Benjwong 03:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I mean if the article could be done better. Raymond Giggs 15:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

King Yin Lane and King Yin Lei
I suppose the two article should be merged into one as the two teem are referring to one single historic house in Wan Chai. Do anyone want to help? Shrimp wong 12:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I can do this one. Give me some time. Benjwong 04:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Benjwong 05:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

MTR and KCR Merged?
Had MTR and KCR merged yet? I saw something about them in the news yesterday... -- Jack l  01:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a big one. Maybe someone from MTR company will merge it?? Benjwong 04:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Kowloon Bowling Green Club and Morrison Hill
Kowloon Bowling Green Club and Morrison Hill are proposed for deletion. You might try to keep it or let it be deleted. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 02:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Morrison hill is now kept since it is a geography entry. Bowling green club probably should be deleted. Benjwong 03:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Revival
Just want to notify those who are interested that Hongkongers has been created again. I'm not sure if there're sufficient reasons for doing that. Cheers.--K.C. Tang 09:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I've put a stub tag on it. One reference was provided for the article, but I haven't read it yet. The main issue last time was there wasn't any reliable source for the term "Hong Konger" itself. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess it's not a problem of source, but rather this kind of -er/-ian article is not encyclopedic. It will either remain a stub, or become a long long personal essay.--K.C. Tang 02:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you guys want to see how un-encyclopedic the old Hongkonger article was. I have pasted the old contents here.  If this article stays, please do not use surveys, stereotypes and random assumptions.  I still think the term is street talk used by newspapers.  But references can change that. Benjwong 04:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

New article
Durian Durian is my attempt at writing about a film. Please improve it! :) Totnesmartin 17:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Good job. That's a great film.  I've done some copy-editing and clean-up on it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hatred
Is The Society For Truth And Light a "hate group" as the article claims? Or is it just hated by some of our contributors?--K.C. Tang 07:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, that article is heavily under-referenced for the seemingly POV claims that it makes. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to believe that it's rather a (much) hated group than a hate group. Cheers.--K.C. Tang 07:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I am too confused by the articles to have an opinion. Benjwong 05:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

New template
I've created a template specifically for actors/singers in the Chinese entertainment industry and I've added it to Maggie Cheung. Please take a look - Template:Infobox Chinese actor and singer. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Two new categories for the government
What with all the government re-organisation in recent years, and all the restructuring that took place after the handover, there are a lot of government positions and offices that are now defunct or abolished. So I've created two new categories for this: Please re-categorise articles if you come across any that would appropriately fit into these categories. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 09:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Hong Kong government defunct offices
 * Category:Defunct positions of the Hong Kong Government

Getting rid of Current events in Hong Kong?
What do you other editors think of getting rid of Current events in Hong Kong? Let me know what you think. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) 95% of the time, I am the only one updating it and archiving it, and I don't think many people actually visit the page.
 * 2) All the items are replicated on Portal:Hong Kong; and I'll keep updating the news item portion of the portal if we got rid of the current events page.
 * 3) All the major current events pages are now fully integrated into Portal:Current events. I asked on that portal's Talk page a while ago whether we can integrate the HK current events page into it, and I got no response.  (And it probably doesn't need it because there's a specific subpage for China.)


 * Yes, I think we can get rid of that for the reasons you stated. Cheers.--K.C. Tang 07:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If there are no objections in the next few days, I'll put the Template:Historical template on it and de-link from other pages. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. As long as we have 1 place to keep up with the current news.  Keep the news update with Portal:Hong Kong please.  Benjwong 05:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright I've put the "historical" tag on it. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Faculties of the University of Hong Kong listed for AfD
The Faculties of the University of Hong Kong article has been listed for AfD. Interested editors may contribute to the discussion at Articles for deletion/Faculties of the University of Hong Kong. Luke! 03:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

MTR-KCR merge
How should we do this? Technically MTRC is not buying KCRC. But for all practical purposes, it is, and it will basically be a new company. Hong Kong Railway Corporation has been nominated for deletion, based on the fact that the company's English name is still going to be MTRC. Will KCRC technically still exist after the merger? Will the KCR lines all be renamed to MTR? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:12, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Should Hong Kong Railway Corporation be kept just for literal translation?? and response of HongQiGong, KCRC will exist, but, only after 50 years :P....

Let me make sure I got all the facts right here, and correct me if I'm wrong:
 * 1) MTRC is taking over operation of the KCR.
 * 2) KCRC will still exist.
 * 3) KCR lines will still be named KCR.

So what kind of article editing do we need to do? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't the sensible thing be just to mention that KCR is a wholly-owned operating subsidiary of MTR? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not familiar with all the details yet but is this situation akin to a new hotel brand joining an already existing hotel brand? Luke! (talk) 03:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically the answer is no. KCRC will still own the KCR system, but MTRC will be operating it on loan, with part of the profits going to KCRC.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If HongQiGong is correct on this, there is minimal changes needed to both articles other than updating the name of the TOC. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 08:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Can someone confirm if I am correct though? I think Toyotaboy95 agrees that KCRC will still exist.  I am getting my information from this - .  What I'm unsure about is - will they rename the KCR lines to MTR, but only retain the difference between the KCR and MTR in terms of how business is done?  And if so, what kind of article editing should we do?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I would suggest moving the current MTRC article to MTR Corporation (1975) and putting the new one in the original article. Raymond Giggs 08:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't merge: I believe that leaving both articles by itself is the best option since each has their own unique history and would be incompatible and very long if merged Instead, adding more detailed sections to each about the merger would be best. -Herenthere (Talk) 19:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Plus, technically, MTRC is going to be the same company, except it is taking over the operation of the KCR also. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Arg. That's going to be a lot of work. Every KCR line and station has an article right now, I think. So editing will be needed for them all. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely retain separate KCR and KCRC articles for history, but post-merger information should probably be on the MTR and MTRC pages only (except for specific events related to the KCRC holding company). To answer H7G: post-merger, everything is branded MTR.  As for "HKRC", I think the correct way of dealing with the "literal translation" issue is to merge the information onto MTRC and then set a redirect on HKRC.  Kelvinc (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've checked up, it looks like the lines will be renamed and attrition to MTR post-merger. On 2 Dec, the KCR lines would probably be added on with a new map to update the changes, and the history would have the addition of the 50-year operating concession (not the entire history). The history of the lines are left to the KCR article, which would be changed to past tense like how UK TOCs run out of their operating concessions (See Thameslink for example). I don't there is a need for a new MTRCL article being separated, it looks like some form of acquisition rather than a whole new company. This would also be the opportunity to give MTR a throughout clean-up to maintain its FA status.- Mailer Diablo (talk) 17:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I might go on the last train tonight, I'll try to take pictures (Art Train Unlimited) and upload them onto WIKIPEDIA or you could refer to the chinese site www.bvehk.net

Toyotaboy95-Specialist in Wikipedia 10:54, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just FYI in case you didn't know. If you're planning on uploading pictures you took, upload them to Commons so those pictures can be used in other languages of WP.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

A historical but controversial subject
I am very tempted to create an article so called "mainland culture shock". This has to do with the plugging in of mainland citizens into HK culture. Before I do so does anyone have any objection? This will cover everything from bad behaviors to stereotyping to some historical aspect. It will be well sourced. Even though this is pretty obvious stuff. Benjwong (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What are your sources? Be careful of violating the synthesis rule of original research.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 00:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is supposed that there were some academic researchers had studied this topic for years. A series of movies and tv dramas was on this topic. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 03:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well it seems to be something that is clearly a part of HK history (today) especially the ties with the traveling schemes. Mentioning it seem to be a direct target to the people and that is a concern.  But not mentioning seems to hide a really important social history.  We can start with a couple critical websites.  Nytimes, usatoday.  Use a book or two.  I mean, what do you guys think?  Is it a bad idea?  Benjwong (talk) 06:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

You can probably find quite a bit of magazine and news articles talking about how HK has - or has not - changed since the handover or since China's opening up in the 80s. But can they be pieced together as a coherent topic without it violating the synthesis rule? Academic sources specifically on the so called "mainland culture shock" would be very helpful. The reason I think this can easily run the risk of synthesis is because it's not some physical object or definitive event, we're talking about a sociological phenonmenon that may not have received academic recognition. It's sort of like the term “香港人” that some of us were talking about before. We all know the term, just like we know about the mainland culture shock and the changes that HK has gone through in the past couple of decades, but that does not necessarily mean the topic has been given enough attention in the real world to be a topic on its own here on WP. Anyway, I am not necessarily against making an article for this subject matter. Just that we need to be careful of not synthesising a topic. An alternative to making the article, of course, is to add the subject matter into 1990s in Hong Kong and 2000s in Hong Kong. Right now, I don't think either article discusses things like HKers learning Mandarin practically en masse, or that many HK businesses have had to do business in mainland China, or people crossing the border for weekend shopping, etc etc. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I am hoping more people have more opinions about this. I really gave this one some thought and I couldn't figure out a good response for you. This is more about principle than money.  Benjwong (talk) 17:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'll wait on this. Benjwong (talk) 02:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration/FA push?
Anybody have any ideas on what article we can do a collaboration/FA push on? Currently I've got Stanley Internment Camp nominated for GA, and eventually I'll push for FA if it passes GA. There's a non-Hong Kong related article that I'm interested in making an FA push for (The Rape of Nanking (book)), but I was also thinking of maybe pushing either Leslie Cheung or Anita Mui.

One thing I'm interested in, which will take a lot of work, is pushing for a Hong Kong-related featured topic. One topic that comes to mind is Hong Kong during WW2, and it can include Battle of Hong Kong, Japanese occupation of Hong Kong, articles for the internment/POW camps (aside from the Stanley camp, another notable camp was at Shamshuipo, which coincidently was later used to house Vietnamese refugees, and there was also a camp in North Point for Canadian prisoners). Maybe include Gin Drinkers Line, but I don't know how much room that article has for expansion.


 * I had found a book Not the Slightest Chance: The Defence of Hong Kong, 1941 and another book The Battle for Hong Kong 1941-1945: Hostage to Fortune .  I had skimmed the former.  It is a day to day witness evidences from different military units. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 16:21, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've seen the first book, but have not seen the second one. Thanks.  I would love to bring both Battle of Hong Kong and Japanese occupation of Hong Kong up to FA standard.  They'll both be a lot of work though.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Another possible topic is public transportation in Hong Kong, comprising of only the main articles like MTR (which is already an FA), KCR, Buses in Hong Kong, Taxicabs of Hong Kong, etc.

Yet another possible topic can be something that's entertainment related. Four out of our twelve FAs are actually entertainment-related (Jackie Chan, Hong Kong action cinema, Rob-B-Hood, Kung Fu Hustle). But the topic has to be narrowed down because there are many entertainment-related Hong Kong articles. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:44, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we need many more contributors with a HK background. Alot of people signed up but are probably too busy with school and other activities. Benjwong (talk) 02:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * We could try for another featured list. Currently there is only one Hong Kong-related featured list. My suggestion is List of tallest buildings in Hong Kong. Although, I really don't mind. Luke! (talk) 05:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, we can do that. I've never pushed for a featured list before, but why not?  But what do you think of a push for a featured topic?  It'll basically be a prolonged task though.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Alright, it looks like User:Hydrogen Iodide was the creator of the list and has been the main contributor. He's continuing to do a great job on it and I've also copy-edited it a bit as well. I've commented in the Talk page some of the issues I've found. Let's take this to FL status. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks =). Note: Right now the Hong Kong building list contains too many redlinks for it to pass Featured list review. As mentioned here, a significant number of buildings appearing in the list need to have articles (FL criteria). In creating new building/skyscraper articles, however, I (we) have run into notability problems, as seen here. It would be a waste to create all these new articles and see them get deleted. Deletion review, Afd discussion, and notability talk failed to yield any consensus regarding notability of skyscrapers, although one participant said that this FL-critera needs to change in the Afd. discussion. Project members should take a look at this guideline and this for more information about getting List of tallest buildings in Hong Kong to FL-status. Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide  (HI!) 20:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've left a note on the talk page of the FL criteria page asking if a minimum number of items on a list need to be articles, or what if some of the items on a list are just plain text, and not red-linked, if that would be a problem. Hopefully they don't all need to be articles.  But if they do, an option we might explore is grouping some of the buildings together in one article and hope that we can achieve notability that way.  For example, I'm sure we can make just one article for all the The Belcher's Tower buildings.  Likewise for all the other buildings that are from the same building group.  (This actually pigues my interest in writing an article on Hong Kong's urban planning.  It's probably one of the most, if not the most, sophisticated cities in the world in terms of urban planning.)  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:29, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Creating articles for The Belcher's, Victoria Towers Complex, Island Resort Complex, and Banyan Garden Complex will turn 16 of those redlinks blue. Let me know if you disagree with the name of the future article(s). Cheers. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 02:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I need to see if they're going to be notable enough, or at least see if I can make them look notable. Google searches are mostly returning real estate agencies' websites.  The Belcher's website just calls the complex "The Belcher's", so I think that may be the best name to use for the article, and acticles for it actually exists in both Chinese and Portuguese Wikipedias .  Of course, English WP is usually more strict.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

One other option that I thought of is to redirect the redlinks to articles for their property developers, assuming those articles exist, and add sections for the buildings in the articles for the property developers. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Victoria Towers and The Victoria Towers were deleted long ago. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 11:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

If the deletion discussion for the Four Points by Sheraton (Dubai) is any indication, creating articles to fulfill another article's intention to be featured content is acceptable. Though it is important to note that there was no consensus for deletion. Luke! (talk) 04:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Another option would be just shorten our tallest buildings section. Perhaps we could set an upper limit for Hong Kong's tallest buildings to be included on the list. Though as List of tallest buildings in Boston, List of tallest buildings in Philadelphia, and List of tallest buildings in Dallas will show, I don't think its' a problem either creating articles for all the buildings or nominating a list that has red-links. All three of these articles are featured lists and have red-links. Although, it is worth pointing out that their lists are considerably shorter for tallest builings only limiting them to the top 30. Thoughts? Luke! (talk) 23:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * An editor experienced in bringing tallest buildings lists to FL status (User:Raime) actually advised against shortening the list on the talk page of the Hong Kong building list. I think it's probably best to keep it at its current length.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 01:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there really such a thing as featured-list? Benjwong 02:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ignore that last comment. I see the dallas, boston and other lists are also featured.  Benjwong 02:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually I think I might work on sourcing Hong Kong itself. Large chunks of the article is not sourced and I fear it may be demoted if brought to a FAR. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles can only be featured once right? Benjwong 07:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, a featured article that fails a FAR may become featured again. But a FAR is much easier to pass than is a FAC.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Doesn't seem like there's much interest in pushing the tallest buildings list, and I count about 30 articles that need to be created before it's ready - FL criteria states that all or most of the items on the list have link to articles. Any other suggestions for an FA push? I know that Queen's Pier is currently a GA nominee, maybe we can push it to FA. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Tang Yuhan
Tang Yuhan is an article on a doctor from Hong Kong/China. The article is under discussion at AFD, and special attention is needed from editors who can evaluate sources written in Chinese languages. GRBerry 19:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Hong Kong Air Cadet Corps article Good Article nominee
As the heading suggests, the Hong Kong Air Cadet Corps has been listed as a Good Article nominee by another editor. Any interested WPHK editors, please feel free to contribute to the article. Luke! (talk) 06:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Hong Kong Humanity Award
Hong Kong Humanity Award has been nominated for deletion. It's apparently an award that was organised by Hong Kong Red Cross and it had its first annual presentation only recently. I've found that it was mentioned in several major Chinese-language newspapers and so I personally believe it is notable. Please vote if you have an opinion on it. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

School change?
I saw on HK news that some HK schools are considering not teaching Chinese history? Is this even true? Benjwong (talk) 05:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

HK Portal selected articles and pictures for 2008
Pictures for Jan. and Feb. have already been selected. But no article has been selected yet (probably because I just created the archive page). Any suggestions on what article to start the new year off with? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Portal:Hong Kong/Selected picture/2008
 * Portal:Hong Kong/Selected article/2008
 * I am picking something out now. Benjwong (talk) 18:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

By the way, if other editors are interested, we can set up polls to vote for selected monthly articles and pictures for the portal. We can do it right here in the WikiProject. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They are welcome to edit those pages. I don't think we need a poll at all.  Benjwong (talk) 17:19, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning out some sections
I would like to move the entire Nationality and citizenship section out of Politics of Hong Kong. I would rather move this to Hongkonger, Demographics of Hong Kong or even a new Citizenship of Hong Kong article. Any suggestion or comments? Benjwong (talk) 20:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No reason why that section can't be in Politics of Hong Kong and other articles as well. But there's no such thing as Hong Kong citizenship, so I would suggest we don't create a new article called Citizenship of Hong Kong.  Much of the content in an article like that I think is already covered in Right of abode issue, Hong Kong.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok no prob. Benjwong (talk) 22:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Stanley Internment Camp passed GA
Stanley Internment Camp is now a GA article. There are two red links right now and I'm going to see if I can add more to the article. After that I'll be pushing for FA status. I want to ask, is anybody interested in making a Featured topic out of articles that are related to Hong Kong during the time of World War 2? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:48, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi
I have currently made my own user page of zh.wikipedia version of TVB Jade. Please help me translate and edit. Thanks. -- Jack l  03:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's the link — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackl (talk • contribs) 2008-01-02 03:04:22


 * Interesting, I was just working on TVB Pearl. Why don't you just edit them on Jade's English Wiki page 1 section at a time. I will see if I can get my hands on that one too. TheAsianGURU (talk) 22:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding copyright status of HK Government works
I have started an urgent discussion regarding copyright status of HK Government works (esp. images). It is at Template_talk:HKCrownCopyright. I hope that editors can come to voice their opinions. -- : Raphaelmak : [ talk ] [ contribs ] 08:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:Chinese chess players
This category name is highly confusing, since Chinese chess is the common English name for a different board game, and one would naturally expect it to be filled with players of Chinese chess. Any suggestions on renaming it? 70.51.9.174 (talk) 07:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Could you suggest another kind of Chinese chess in English? &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 07:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Tagging WPHK on TVB series.
I have noticed a lot of TVB series pages haven't been tagged with anything. Should they be accepted into the scope of WPHK? For example Heart of Greed. Also, please be aware of the User Aomen. I've been having quite a difficult time with him. He seems to be tagging everything with WPCHINA furiously. Dengero (talk) 13:04, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, they are. If you are interested, apply an account for AutoWikiBrowser to finish this tedious job. --&mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 02:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * We are planning on moving Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Modern Chinese music over to a possible new wikiproject such as Chinese-language entertainment. You might want to wait until we have a tag. Benjwong (talk) 00:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Need license for Tung pic
Image:TCWandCP.png the picture used for the Tung Chee-hwa article is about to be deleted due to licensing reasons. Is there a HK government tag that can make the image stay? Benjwong (talk) 06:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Pic for MTR infoboxes
Hi. I am going to take pics of MTR stations, but i do not know which part of the station should I take. The platform? The entrance? Thank you. :) -- Jack l  09:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Take any part you can. They will be very useful for the MTR pages. I would say take the platforms, because they are mostly used in the MTR pages as far as I know. Leolisa1997 (talk) 08:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- Jack l  08:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, try to take photos of the trains operating, as many current pictures still have the KCRC logo on them. Leolisa1997 (talk) 08:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Hong Kong is now featured
It looks like Portal:Hong Kong is now a featured portal. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:56, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

English medium education in Hong Kong
Hong Kong has a long history of using the English language as the medium of instruction in secondary schools and universities. Could somebody write a section on the situation of Hong Kong in the article English medium education? Thank you.

- New user —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.10.131 (talk) 07:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

ATV World from Asia Television Limited
I think ATV World should be a new wiki entry, just like TVB Pearl. What do you guys think? TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. --&mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 01:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Should we get reference of the format from the TVB Pearl article if we start the article? Addaick (talk) 03:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, I like the current TVB Pearl format. If ATV World is ever gonna be done, it should be done under that format. However, there aren't that much information around for ATV World. For example --- Censorship in China information is lacking, Partnership information is lacking, even up-to-date program guides. TheAsianGURU (talk) 03:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * There is a small article about ATV World in Asia Television Limited article. We may take some reference there. I think partnership information is not necessary because ATV World is one part of Asia Television Limited. But for censorship, it is difficult to find, we may find some more "advanced" user. Addaick (talk) 03:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's a good start. TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that the current TVB Pearl format is good. I agree on having a new wiki entry for ATV World. Leolisa1997 (talk) 13:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Great. Now I have a technical question --- How do I start an entry with the name that’s already being redirected? The name ATV World right now is being redirected to Asia Television Limited, how can I make an entry with that name & stop the redirect? TheAsianGURU (talk) 20:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Edison Chen photo scandal Page needs semi-protection
That page gets around 10 IP edits per day, I see IP Edit RV all the time, Semi-Protection (No IP Edit) is needed, and fast. (I smell vandal in the air...) Also, I don't know how that is done. Does it have to be performed by an admin? TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Requested. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Silver Bauhinia Star
Silver Bauhinia Star is proposed to be deleted. Please discuss to keep it or not. --&mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 01:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Thx for the heads up. TheAsianGURU (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't seem to find a list of Bauhinia Star awardees anywhere. Help? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't there a list under the Chinese wiki page? TheAsianGURU (talk) 04:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah there is. Duh.  Thanks.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I've included a source for the list in an External links section. Please wikilink any of these individuals if you know that there're articles on any of them. (A few of them have already been wikilinked.) Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:27, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Crowncopyrights licenses
The bots are tagging all images using as requiring Fairuse rationale. I am trying to argue here that HK government licenses should be good enough as a stand alone without any special Fairuse comments. Anyone who can help with the discussion, please join in. Benjwong (talk) 02:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hok Yau Club
Hok Yau Club is under the attack of vandalism. An anonymous editor posts a lot of Chinese text into the article. It is messy anyway. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 03:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Fernão Pires de Andrade
Why is Fernão Pires de Andrade (Talk) in the WPHK GA category? Correct me if I am wrong, Fernão Pires de Andrade does not relate to Hong Kong -- Jack l  10:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * He was involved in Battle of Tãmão (屯門海戰) in 16th century. If you can read Chinese, please refer to that article for further details. -- Kevinhksouth (talk) 16:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Gweilo
Extensive removal of content from the article Gweilo has been done by User:HKYAN without a word of explanation. Please pay some attention to the article. --&mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 18:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest you contact admin and have the page semi - protected. TheAsianGURU (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:AIV is a better venue before semi-protecting an entire page. Consider warning the user first with the appropriate warnings found at WP:UTM. Luke! (talk) 19:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Chet Lam
I have a couple questions about Chet Lam, a singer-songwriter from Hong Kong. I fully admit my ignorance about HK, so the questions are probably the stupidest ever. But if someone from this project wouldn't mind visiting Talk:Chet Lam and addressing them, that would be much appreciated! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

New photographs for Hong Kong
Hi everyone. What do you think about changing photographs of buildings in Hong Kong? I have a few pictures in store here, and I think we should update the photographs. By the way, how do you change photographs? Leolisa1997 (talk) 13:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's always good to have the most up to date information. See Help:Images and other uploaded files for a guide to images on WP. Luke! (talk) 21:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Good news from the Wikimedia Foundation
HONG KONG - According to the official website of Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), The Board of Trustees of the Foundation officially recognized Wikimedia Hong Kong Limited(香港維基媒體協會有限公司, WMHK) as a Wikimedia Chapter on 4th March, 2008.

The recruiting members would be launched soon. For further details, please refer to the Wikimedia Hong Kong official site, or the Chapter's blog at blogspot. --Sith lord darth vader (talk) 11:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, bad title for both external links. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 12:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just fixed at least one of the links. Can someone explain what this news mean?? Benjwong (talk) 08:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Portal biography
Anyone else think we should delete the biography section out of Portal Hong Kong? There is already a biography portal. Benjwong (talk) 08:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Peel Street AfD
Currently in discussions, interested editors please contribute at Articles for deletion/Peel Street. Luke! (talk) 21:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Hong Kong: Articles of unclear notability
Hello,

there are currently 13 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 2008-03-12 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added some notability claims to Little Astrology prince and removed the notability tag. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)