Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong/Archive 5

Victoria Barracks, Hong Kong
I have written a lot in the page. Can anyone review the article? Can anyone provide some information about the details of the destructed buildings. Shrimp wong (talk) 07:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I have done a general edit of this page for English (and learnt a lot in the process - thanks!). I hope I haven't changed any of the intended meaning. Paul Christensen (talk) 14:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good! I think with some expansion (notably more on its historic usage), and some re-organisation of the sections, it could be a candidate for Good Article status.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Help needed
I need help in adding new images to articles. Can anybody help me with this?--Leolisa1997 (talk) 06:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here you go: Extended image syntax.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Replacing photograph
Image:SP1900 E227.jpg needs to be changed. The train is heading towards East Tim Sha Tsui, while the doors on opening on the right, in which they are supposed to open on the left. The photograph was taken from the East Tim Sha Tsui platform. Leolisa1997 (talk) 08:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The aim of the photo is just to illustrate an SP1900, and issues on train direction by themselves do not justify the photo to be changed. Moreover, such issues can be explained by asserting the photo as looking southbound, and since all trains in Hong Kong (except MOS Line) run on the left, the train is moving away from the photo. Thus, the doors are opening on the left. This is further verified by the absence of TO in the cabin nearer to the photographer. -- : Raphaelmak : [ talk ] [ contribs ] 09:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. The problem is solved now. The caption said it was approching, as in the East Rail Line, so that was what created the confusion. The only thing is, I can't find out how to change the caption.--Leolisa1997 (talk) 09:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Solved.--Leolisa1997 (talk) 10:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Octopus Card (students)
Does anyone have the discontinued purple Octopus Card for students? If yes, please upload it with FUR so that I can add it to the article. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You may get the image from Chinese Wikipedia: zh:Image:Blue Octopus.JPG (although the quality is not very good). -- Kevinhksouth (talk) 15:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that one but I was looking for a card in higher quality (or digital copy) OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

We can't use the image from Chinese WP because that was uploaded under fair use there. Each language WP is technically seperate from each other, so we can't just take something that was uploaded specifically for Chinese WP and use it here. But one thing we can do is ask the user that scanned the image for Chinese WP to upload it here and tag it as fair use for English WP. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a good idea. There some flaws on the image at Chinese Wikipedia. First, the photographer of that image shook his hand while he take the photo, which made the image appeared to be blurred. The Card also have scratches on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackl (talk • contribs)
 * This is very interesting, because apparently nobody in the world saved a digital copy or still have a copy to be scanned. Are we allowed to use use an existing one (say the adult one), use Photoshop to modify the colour into purple and upload it as fair-use content? OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:44, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OhanaUnited, if you look closely, on the bottom-right corner of each card specified the card type, which made your way not work. -- Jack l  08:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that. The student one has a graduating hat icon. OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Some people probably still have the card. It's just that they don't edit WP. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to go to the Octopus Card website and find an archive article there with the Student Card picture and use it on Wikipedia? --Leolisa1997 (talk) 10:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have went onto their website, and checked it but I could only findone picture which contains part of the Student Octopus Card.--Leolisa1997 (talk) 11:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I found one from HK Yahoo auction site. Obviously it is a derivative of the card so I can upload it under fair-use rationale. However, it requires some cropping (and the card was tilted in the picture) <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 17:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you give us the URL? -- Jack l  11:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be a good idea. Somebody will sure be able to tilt it back onto track.--Leolisa1997 (talk) 11:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The URL went dead after the auction ended. Mind if I upload it under FUR and someone else tilt it back? <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 04:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you can upload it under FUR, but I'm sure I can tilt it back (but the picture might bigger).--Leolisa1997 (talk) 09:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I went onto the HK Yahoo Auction site, and discovered that the Card has already gone. Do you, OhanaUnited, have the image itself?--Leolisa1997 (talk) 09:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, saved on my desktop. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 16:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Uploaded as Image:StudentOctopusCard.jpg. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 05:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. I downloaded your image and did my best with gimp to get the perspective corrected. But, the edges are choppy. -- Jack l  10:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Forgot the link. -- Jack l  10:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you did your best. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 19:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary
Do people here work on Wiktionary, to add Cantonese to chinese articles? (jyutping, IPA, etc) Or create the jyutping, etc romanizations as articles... 70.51.11.82 (talk) 10:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think most of the users are already busy and maxed out between english and chinese wikipedia. It would be tough to recruit more people.  Benjwong (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Needs renewing
Image:OctopusAddValueMachine.jpg needs renewing, because nowadays the EPS add value service has been terminated (I think for technial reasons).--Leolisa1997 (talk) 11:00, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Wǔxiá to Wuxia
Requested rename on the article for the genre of fiction from Wǔxiá to Wuxia - see Talk:Wǔxiá 70.55.85.177 (talk) 06:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Questioning
Image:KCR University station (1).jpg was nominated for deletion by me, but was kept under the reason of 'The picture being too dark is not a vaild reason for deletion'. Therefore, I am asking if it is allowed to download the photo then upload it again after editing the brightness?--Leolisa1997 (talk) 09:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes you can because it's under GFDL. You can copy, distribute, and modify the picture (which includes brighting the background) <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 16:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much.--Leolisa1997 (talk) 08:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:OctopusFrontNew.jpg and Image:AdultOctopusCard.jpg
These two images are the same. They are not quite the same, but both an adult octopus card. Shall we delete one of them or keep both? -- Jack l  12:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The first one is definetely copyvio because the design is copyrighted. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 19:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Help requested for Hong Kong film
Hi all,

I'm completing an article on the 1982 Hong Kong film Boat People. I couldn't find much information on the critical response to the film from within Hong Kong and the PRC and since I don't speak Chinese it's hard for me to find them. I would appreciate any help finding reliable sources and translations on this topic, and would also appreciate it if the article is converted to Hong Kong English. DHN (talk) 21:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Categories
You can catagorize the events related to Hong Kong according to the years. Please kindly read the category page: Shrimp wong (talk) 06:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion proposal
See Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_April_27. Badagnani (talk) 14:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I closed it as speedy keep. Someone is probably playing a joke or a prank. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 19:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Redirection
I moved the Democratisation in Hong Kong page to redirect to Democratic development in Hong Kong. The Democratisation in Hong Kong page was basically an outdated version. If anyone feel the redirect is not enough and a different type of merge is needed, please let me know. Benjwong (talk) 16:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Hong Kong FAR
Hong Kong has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Joowwww (talk) 11:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

One of the criterion listed is that portions of the article is too long and not in summarised form, and another criterion is that there's unsourced information. We can resolve both of these by deleting unsourced statements. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 16:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Fa Pao
Fa Pao (花炮) is proposed for deletion. You might want to improve it or let it be deleted. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 01:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

China and PRC articles request to be renamed
User:SmuckyTheCat is requesting that China be renamed, and replaced by the People's Republic of China article at "China". 70.55.88.176 (talk) 07:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hong Kong English
Hello! I've been going through the many MTR station pages and have had a few concerns. Though Hong Kong English can logically be understood after re-reading, I'm not sure if it presents the most universal representation of the content in the English Wikipedia. Some grammar issues and structuring varies even from standard British English. I was going to go ahead and re-phrase some parts but I fear that it might become an issue, and I don't want to become invasive since I have not contributed content (ie: Mainland users who change everything to simplified Chinese, pinyin, PRC, etc). What are your thoughts, has this been discussed before? Do you mind if I go in and rephrase sentences so it makes easier sense to American English users? .:DavuMaya:. 18:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps some examples would help us understand which parts you mean exactly? --Joowwww (talk) 19:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:Bold. Go ahead if you know you're doing the right thing. Being a user en-2 I'm always awaiting someone with better English language knowledge to correct my SP and grammar. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * To Davumaya: True, Hong Kong English varies even from standard British English in terms of spelling. For example, in Hong Kong the word "decolourize" is used with the letter "u" (inherited from British English) but using the suffix -ize (inherited from American English) in its most common form. As for grammar, in most cases British grammar is preferred, but American and Australian grammar and style is also widely accepted. To make things worse, everyone in Hong Kong, depending on education and background, speaks a different accent of English. --Deryck C. 19:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Debateable question
Does Hong Kong strictly belong to China, because I saw that Hong Kong is related to Wikiproject:China. Strictly speaking, this shouldn't happen, so are we allowed to take that off?--Leolisa1997 (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, Hong Kong is part of China. It has its own economy and law but it is still part of China. --Joowwww (talk) 12:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Although whether Hong Kong strictly belong to China is debatable, for all practical purposes we can't exclude China from the discussion of Hong Kong... so this Wikiproject link is useful. --Deryck C. 14:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So this is meaning that we can add links to Wikiproject:China to every Wikiproject:Hong Kong article?--Leolisa1997 (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, that would definately be a no no. Until the 50 years are up, Hong Kong will remain separate as if it was a separate country. It's like saying the Vantican City is related to Italy, yet not related at the same time. Dengero (talk) 10:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That is completely different. Italy and the Vatican are two completely different states. The Vatican is not part of Italy. Hong Kong is part of China. There is only one state. One country, two systems. Whether you are personally for or against Hong Kong being part of the PRC is irrelevant, the fact and the reality is, that it is. --Joowwww (talk) 11:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

But I find the Hong Kong templates obsolete if the China ones are all applied to Hong Kong articles? Then we start sparking up arguments about Taiwan and China again. Not to mention the Macau templates too. Dengero (talk) 11:07, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * How are they obsolete? WikiProject Hong Kong operates independently from WikiProject China. --Joowwww (talk) 11:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * And in turn so does all Hong Kong articles. Perhaps just the Hong Kong article itself, but no more.Dengero (talk) 11:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Take a look at Talk:London. London has its own WikiProject, so it uses the WikiProject London template. London is also part of England, so it also uses the WikiProject England template. By your logic, are you suggesting that the WikiProject England template should be removed? There are thousands of place articles like this. How is Hong Kong any different? --Joowwww (talk) 11:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I suggest we keep a high level of autonomy for Hong Kong for now. Personally (personally), I'm all no's for it. But of course, we work by concensus, so we'll wait for a third comment. But frankly, the main reason for this because I've caught in a few nasty arguements around China-Taiwan status, and if we reap Hong Kong and Macau articles under the China banner, it will be one sticky mess because it will pull Taiwan in for sure. Dengero (talk) 11:28, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see how Taiwan is relevant. There is a debate about the status of Taiwan. There is no debate about the status of Hong Kong or Macau. --Joowwww (talk) 11:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment This is intresting, becuase I started this on Hong Kong and China Banners.--Leolisa1997 (talk) 08:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Joowwww is correct. Taiwan and Hong Kong are two totally different situation. 'One Country, Two Systems' is not applied in Taiwan. Thus, Taiwan has a 'president'. Addaick (talk) 14:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Re to initial topic: Because we have no specific WP guidelines to base this issue on, WP would like us to use consensus on this matter. I put my straw in that HK is part of China in the current geopolitical context based on the following. 1) Presently, HK is politically designated and recognized as part of the country of China (currently given a SAR designation). This recognition extends to most of the world following British handover. 2) HK belongs to the Cantonese diaspora and has an ethnic and underlying cultural connection that is still fairly seamless between the "mainland" and HK people. 3) Historically the area that is now HK has for the most part been under the banner of Chinese dynastic rule before the British, and considering it was taken by force warrants that we cannot suggest HK is somehow an independent state of its own accord. But it of course does not mean we call it Hong Kong, China, no, that would be like saying New York, USA. Because HK as an encyclopedic article exists solely on its own merits as a city with an individually unique history. But we also must recognize that the 'China' article is not just about the current government, but about a civilization, and in WP terms, this would place HK most definitely under that project. .:DavuMaya:. 20:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Redirects for names of people
I've recently joined the project and am working on some actors' articles. What do other project members feel is the importance or priority of adding redirects for individuals' "other names" like is seen for actor Anthony Wong? For instance, the article Nicholas Tse is not retrieved if a user searches for "Tse Ting-Fung." Should redirects for other common forms of an individuals' name be created early on in article creation/editing? If so, how does one determine which redirects are most appropriate, or should they be created for Tse Ting-Fung, Tse Ting-fung, Tse Ting Fung, Tse Tingfung, etc. Also, if I read the policy on Chinese naming conventions correctly, should the above name be listed within the article as "Tse Tingfung" or "Tse Ting-fung," depending on which romanization system used? How does one choose which romanization system to use? This is an area with with I'm not familiar at all. Thank you for your time! I look forward to enhancing some of the actor stub and start-class articles! - Hamuhamu (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree the search system on wikipedia is too unforgiving on spelling mistakes/variations. But there should be no need to go create chinese-romanization redirects because either you know the artist by thier chinese or english names. If you know thier english name, you will search them here exactly. If you know their chinese names, you will search for the chinese wikipedia and perhaps redirect to the english one. 08:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I hadn't thought about it that way! That does seem pretty logical.  I won't worry about it then.  Thanks for the insight! - Hamuhamu (talk) 00:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can make as many redirects as you like. There is almost no rules against redirects. Benjwong (talk) 07:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to get a slap on the wrist from WP but in the case of redirects and notoriety, I would actually do a Google search on each name variation to see which spellings gain the most hits and use those as redirects. Remember, we don't have to be everyone's friend, if they're too lazy to spell it right, then too bad, they can just do a WP search for keywords. .:DavuMaya:. 20:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Joey Yung
The user Halahala123 have been continously added this really biased section onto the page Joey Yung. I already knew this was another one of those Joey-Yung haters as soon as I saw the title of the section "related criminal incidences". If she was never even charged, how can she be a criminal? There are other words such as "arrested" when it's more like asked for questioning. He even bolded her name throughout the section. I have reverted twice, and figured he's not going to stop, and even got warned by an admin. I have never met someone so stubborn yet. I don't really know how to handle this. Any comments? Thanks! Dengero (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This argument has spread to Emperor Entertainment Group. Nearly word word for word with the same references. Dengero (talk) 12:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me know when this user violates 3RR or continues pushing POV, then I'll block. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 17:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The South China Morning Post has articles which refer to the arrest of Joey Yung (and Albert Yeung of EEG), and "arrest" does have a specific meaning and is, I would argue, notable. The SCMP is a subscription site, but a Google shows enough of the articles. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%2B%22joey+yung%22+%2Barrested+%2Bsite%3A.scmp.com&btnG=Search
 * Maybe the section heading could have been better worded, but the fact that she has been arrested at least once and questioned on other occasions is, in my opinion, notable. Wikipedia shouldstrive to be as full as possible in its coverage of people deemed notable for inclusion. Wiki is not an extension of the EEG's cantopop marketing machine, yet it seems by Dengero's own admission on his page that this is exactly his mission here on Wikipedia. Paul Christensen (talk) 06:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm all in for it if you wrote that section using that source. The fact that Halahala123 used some rdm Andy Lau fan site as a reference fustrated me. And please, don't class me along with the random editors who blindly add things about thier favourite artists. If you may have realised, other than the pages I created (which is usually a translate from zh wiki), I have not added any (if at all) to artists' pages which you seem to hint I'm advertising. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dengero (talk • contribs) 07:37, 29 May 2008

Here is that full article:


 * "Tycoon Albert Yeung Sau-shing has had plenty of high-profile brushes with the law - as victim, suspect and litigant. He is chairman of the vast Emperor Group, which employs more than 5,000 people in entertainment, property, finance and catering. He was kidnapped in Central in April 1989, has been arrested, and has had his business properties vandalised many times. Police have raided a disco at his Emperor Byron Hotel in Happy Valley more than once. His family also has been in the spotlight. His son, Gilbert, was accused of assaulting a banker in Lan Kwai Fong in 1997 and was bound over after the prosecution offered no evidence against him. In 2000, Gilbert Yeung was caught in possession of drugs at a rave party and fined $7,000. Early this year his sexual exploits made the cover of Eastweek magazine, owned by his father. Teen heart-throbs connected to the Yeung empire include Nicholas Tse Ting-fung, Joey Yung Cho-yee and Edison Chen Koon-hei, who also have been in the limelight over skirmishes with authorities in the past year. Tse, whose record label EGG is owned by Albert Yeung, was arrested for allegedly asking a driver from his company to take the blame for crashing his $2 million Ferrari. The driver, Shing Kwok-ting, was jailed for four months for perverting the course of justice. Tse has not been charged. Last August, Albert Yeung was apprehended by detectives, who boarded a British Airways flight from London, in connection with a case of alleged assault on disc jockey and actor Leung Sze-ho. His arrest prompted wild scenes outside the Kowloon West regional crime unit headquarters, where about 100 reporters and photographers were waiting for his release. He and Joey Yung, also arrested over the same incident, were later freed without charge, but not before launching six lawsuits against the media. Albert Yeung was acquitted of alleged criminal intimidation and false imprisonment in 1995 after all five prosecution witnesses said they could not recall details of the alleged offences."

The full URL was [http://www.scmp.com/portal/site/SCMP/menuitem.06f0b401397a029733492d9253a0a0a0/?vgnextoid=bee955970f551110VgnVCM100000360a0a0aRCRD&s=Archive. here]. Eventually we can put more of this into the articles. But none of this sounds like Joey Yung's idea or fault. Benjwong (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * LOL I don't know why HKers are so infatuated with controversy and scandal. Even my roommates were asking me about Edison Chen and I'm like that happened MONTHS ago and you haven't even seen one movie with him in it! I think there should be a Hong Kong gossip page or Hong Kong obsession with scandals .:DavuMaya:. 20:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hongkonger article again...
User:Joowwww had recently turned the Hong Konger article to a redirect to Demographics of Hong Kong. Initially the contents were not good enough per the 2007 Afd. However, the article have since been re-discussed and improved with better references. It is fair to keep the article now I think. Benjwong (talk) 19:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I moved it because it was basically a fork of Demographics of Hong Kong and half of it was repeated on that page anyway, under the terminology section. I don't mind really, if you can significantly enhance it then by all means revert the redirect. --Joowwww (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Help with Hong Kong places and their disambiguation.
Greetings! There is a proposal to organize a bot in order to create thousands upon thousands (if not eventually -- a million) articles related to villages/towns/cities from around the world. Hong Kong is also a part of this and there is a list of places from Hong Kong  found here: WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/hong kong. Currently however, before the project can begin, the list of places need to be checked for disambiguation. That is, there are some blue links already created and they need to be checked to ensure that they are in fact already the created cityand not a disambiguation page. This is needed as the bot will not be able to create the place if there is already a blue link and if its a disambiguation page, then that place (be it a city, village or town) will miss out. That is why I ask anyone here from this project who has some time or knowledge of Hong Kong to have a look and help if they want in any way they can. As a side note, there is also a discussion going on here at the village pump: Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot and you are more than welcome to state your views on it. There is also a FAQ that you may have a look at User:FritzpollBot/FAQ but if you have any question do get in contact with Fritzpoll here User talk:Fritzpoll or with Biofield here User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE. Kind regards. Calaka (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Manhua
Does anyone have any objection to me proposing addition of manhua to the scope of WikiProject Comics' world comics work group? I can't find any cohesive group working on manhua in any wikiproject. I had a terrible time just finding a manhua infobox template. :) I figured the comics project's brand-new world comics group would be a good place to serve as a manhua hub.  What do you guys think?  Thanks for your feedback! -- hamu♥hamu  ( talk ) 02:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

District > Area?
Tell me something. How come the word "neighborhood" is not used when describing "areas" under "districts." For example Kowloon > Yau Tsim Mong "district" > Tsim Saa Tsui "area" However Tsim Saa Tsui has its own "District Council" below the Yau Tsim Mong District Council according to its website.

區 I know can be translated into multiple meanings but area sounds such a generic term to use. Do official government documents state "area" as a term for what we in USA/UK consider neighborhoods/boroughs? .:DavuMaya:. 22:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to clarify something: Tsim Sha Tsui does not have its own "District Council", and is under the administration of "Yau Tsim Mong District Council" ("Tsim" stands for Tsim Sha Tsui. Back to your question, "area" is an unofficial term in Hong Kong for calling Tsim Sha Tsui, as the lowest level opf administrative divisions in Hong Kong is "District". -- Kevinhksouth (talk) 04:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay so is there an official map of these districts OR areas with definite boundaries? Or is it just kind of generalized? I found a map online of the "areas" but its just a big grid over HK with names. For example I am editing Kwun Chung/Jordan. .:DavuMaya:. 09:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Area in the examples are generalisation only. Its use is subjective and changes with time. In official use of Area, it is usually large or rural.  For example, Ngau Chi Wan Area (in 1963, rural) and Closed Area. In old telephone scheme, area code is for large division of land, say Hong Kong Island, Kowloon, New Territories, Outlying Islands. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 19:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Tsim Sha Tsui District is not wrong at all. Other than the scheme of district council, there are many other district dividing schemes. In fact, in 1963 there are forty something districts in the urban Hong Kong, including Tsim Sha Tsui. In Hong Kong, area is used to describe rural or larger piece of land, says Hong Kong Island. 18:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Who made this? Can they break it up into individual sections of each DC to put in each article? Would be good to have some names of geography or major road/MTR lines. .:davumaya:. 01:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Hong Kong flag in 1910 was deleted in Commons
Image:Hongkongflag1910.gif, which was the flag of Hong Kong during 1910 to 1959, was speedly deleted in Commons without any discussion. As the flag should be in PD, please help to express the undeletion request there:. -- Kevinhksouth (talk) 04:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

MTR station mess
Shall I replace the whole line pictures into one single picture? It looks awfully hard to understand now. Should I replace all "North-South Line"s to "North-South Corridor" as the MTRCL states?

219.77.175.76 (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Municipal solid waste project underway between IFC Mall and Central Pier
I saw this last month and am wondering if any articles discuss it, or if there's an official name for this project. It looked like a construction site. Broken Sphere Msg me 16:58, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Nanyue -> Nam Viet
Nanyue has been requested to be renamed Nam Viet 70.51.10.4 (talk) 06:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * One of the supporting arguments is that Cantonese people are a Vietnamese people. 70.55.87.161 (talk) 04:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I can assure you, cantonese people are people who speak cantonese-not vietnamese. Technically they are "south east china"-people. And no. Nanyue was in Chinese hands at the time, therefore the name should remain chinese. Dengero (talk) 02:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Cantonese people = Vietnamese people?! Are you kidding me? TheAsianGURU (talk) 21:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You should make your comments at Talk:Nanyue 70.55.85.123 (talk) 05:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The argument is not as stated. The argument that is being presented is that none of the 100 Yue (the autochthonous inhabitants of what was then called Nanyue), before that region was Sinicized, were Sinitic peoples, ethnolinguistically, but were a mixture of numerous Tai-speaking and other non-Sinitic ethnic groups. Thus, the ancestors of the Vietnamese and Cantonese, it is argued, were not yet Sinitic/Sinicized. I agree that it doesn't make sense to substitute a Vietnamese name, as the Vietnamese were only a single group among the 100 Yue, and one of the southernmost groups, at that, having their origin in the Red River valley of northern Vietnam. Badagnani (talk) 05:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Man from Hong Kong with one less tag
Is there a subgroup for "people from"? If so, can somebody tag this & THIS!, for starters? TREKphiler 19:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 1054 of the articles assigned to this project, or 28.4%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-06-18.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit Warring at Nanyue
Urgent attention is needed at Nanyue to prevent continual edit warring. User Webster121 suspected of vandalising article to advance pro-Vietnam views and utilising sockpuppetry to facilitate his serial policy violations. 122.109.98.117 (talk) 03:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He can edit war all he wants. He'll just continually get blocked. lol. Dengero (talk) 04:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

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Yue (peoples)
At Yue (peoples) there's an edit war... apparently someone is putting in a Vietnamese POV. 70.51.11.220 (talk) 06:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

CFM on Category:Overseas Chinese groups with Category:Chinese diaspora
Category:Overseas Chinese groups has been nominated for merger with Category:Chinese diaspora at WP:CFD. 70.55.84.243 (talk) 09:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Moving Diplomatic missions in Hong Kong to List of diplomatic missions in Hong Kong
I'd like to move Diplomatic missions in Hong Kong to List of diplomatic missions in Hong Kong to bring it into alignment with all the rest of the list of diplomatic missions articles. What do people think of this? Aaronw (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Olympics
Shouldn't the 2008 Olympics venue articles have the Cantonese versions of their names in the articles, and redirects for them? (ie. jyutping, etc) 70.55.85.40 (talk) 05:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

portal
Portal:Hong Kong needs updating, there are several auto-maintained sections that link to non-existant pages.

It also should indicate things about the Olympics in HK. 70.55.85.40 (talk) 12:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Bank of China (Hong Kong) FAR
Bank of China (Hong Kong) has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh lord. It's another one of those articles that were promoted way back in 2005 and which has barely seen any attempt to keep up with FA standards.  Can't say I'm interested in doing these anymore.  Takes way too much time.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Chinese entertainer infobox
Template:Infobox Chinese, Taiwanese, Singaporean, Malaysian actor and singer → Template:Infobox Chinese actor and singer

There has been a requested move at WP:RM for this move. This infobox is used on HK entertainer pages as well. 70.55.86.69 (talk) 08:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

template:WPHK
Shouldn't WPHK default to hide for the to-do section ? 70.55.86.69 (talk) 11:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. But the change will only reflect when the template is re-rendered (when somebody edits a page with the template on it).  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Archives
I thought I would just suggest to archive this talk page more often, because it is getting rather long now. Judging by this speed, we probarly need a bot to do this for us.--Leolisa1997 (talk) 03:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

C-class?
I must have been gone for longer than I thought. There's a "C-class" of article quality now? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 13:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. C-class stands between B and start. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 17:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

New param and cat for former FA articles
I've added a new parameter to the WPHK template that'll put former FA articles in the new category Category:Former FA-Class Hong Kong articles. All you have to do is put "formerFA=yes" in the WPHK tag and it'll do the categorisation. Stick that param in the tag as you find former FA Hong Kong articles. So far I've only found three - and that may actually be all of them so far. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Hong Kong
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Review request for article I created
Please take a look at Clearing House Automated Transfer System. I started the article and have ranked it at C class for now - please change the class ranking as you see fit. Also, I wonder what pictures we can have for the article. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 12:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that there are only primary sources. I strongly suggest that you add in secondary sources to increase the verifiability of the article. -- : Raphaelmak : [ talk ] [ contribs ] 13:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Lee Shing Cheung
Recently, I have been checking up info on Google for Lee Shing Cheung. I looked at HKMDB and looked for his name. I got nothing, but I typed in "CJ7", as I knew that was one of his movies, and Lee Sheung Ching was listed as one of the actors! All along I thought it was Lee Shing Cheung, but now I'm confused as to who acted in CJ7! Can someone  clarify the matter? Paul 1953 (talk) 04:34, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah wrong guy. This is Lee Shing Cheung - .  You might want to correct his picture, and you can see his filmography on Chinese WP. - zh:李成昌.  He usually plays supporting roles on TV.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)