Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hospitals/Archive 1

Welcome
All ideas are welcome for discussion!Ng.j (talk) 19:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposal?
Ng.j,

Is there anyone else in this project? Did you properly propose it at WikiProject Council/Proposals to see whether anyone else was interested?

The primary purpose of a WikiProject is to have multiple editors work together, so the community avoids creating them for only one editor. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:15, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, didn't see this for a while. I considered going through the proposal process, but that is more of a guideline than a requirement. There are several thousand hospital articles out there, most of them stubs. WP:Med sees them as a very low priority as they have 25,000 to work on. I knew that once this got going more people would join over time. I have noticed that there are a lot of people who will create hospital articles for only one region or country, which helps even if they don't join this project. Ng.j (talk) 19:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Hospital
Should we nominate it for a good article? -- Extra   999  (Contact me  +  contribs) 02:08, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It won't pass GA at this time. Try addressing the tags currently in the article, and then carefully considering the GA criteria (with, I'm sorry to say, an assumption that the reviewer is likely to require a higher standard than what is actually written there).  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:49, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I concur that it won't pass GA as is, but I haven't gone in depth to see whether the tag is valid. If we can spruce it up a bit more it would be a good candidate. Would be a first for the project! Ng.j (talk) 04:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Old discussion
You might be interested in this old discussion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was interesting. I am sure there have been a lot of editors that wanted to do something like this, but just never got around to it or didn't think they had the support. There have been a lot of editors who have been expanding hospital articles within other WikiProjects (states, regions) as well. By actually having a WP set up editors will be able to jump right in, rather than feel they have to organize something first. I considered the TF approach, but there are enough articles to justify the WP approach, and WP:Med is swamped with multiple TFs (many dormant) already. Ng.j (talk) 21:02, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to say there aren't any opportunities for collaboration with WP:Med, but they have enough to do and from the level of interest in previous edits and tagging, it seems like this is the way to go. Ng.j (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I have no firm opinion of project vs. task force, but a good question to ask (in terms of parentage) is: are all of the articles within the scope of this project also within the scope of WPMED? To answer this, you'd need to ask WPMED if they want to include hospitals in their scope. Hospitals were previously included, but this may be because no other project wanted to include them. If WPMED wants to keep hospitals in its scope, making hospitals into a task force seems like the best option. If WPMED does not want to include hospitals, then hospitals should be a parallel project to WPMED (similar to WP:Anatomy). Yes, WPMED has many quiet task forces, but many of these were inactive projects before being merged into the project as task forces. Whether these "working groups" were task forces or projects, I'm sure their activity levels would be the same. From my experience, the contributors at WPMED don't really care what is in the project's scope...everyone will work on whatever they want to work on and few care about which project claims assessment oversight of the article. Ng.j, I've noticed that you have been replacing the WPMED banner with the WP hospitals banner. I'd recommend you leave the WPMED banner in place until this scope issue is determined. --Scott Alter (talk) 22:47, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The alternative is to have WP:Hospitals as a daughter project, which is how I see it. I look at WP:Dams as an example, where it replaces WP:Engineering tags in all dam articles. It isn't very often that there is overlap, and people have been tagging with WP:Med simply because there was no alternative until now. Ng.j (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Just took a look at WP:Anatomy, and though they are a seperate project, they consider themselves to be a daughter of WP:Med as well. Ng.j (talk) 23:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Just want to preface my comments by saying I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here, as I think there should be a comprehensive discussion (or at least consideration of all options) before extensive changes are made. Here's a quick summary of WP:Anatomy.  The project was started in 2005 distinct from the medicine projects at the time, but never went anywhere, and became inactive.  A few years ago, members of WPMED came to the consensus that anatomy articles are not within the scope of WPMED and should only be tagged with WP:Anatomy - even though the Anatomy project was inactive.  Currently, the WP:Anatomy project pages are still are inactive, but members of WPMED work on the anatomy articles and templates.  I don't think there are any people who contribute to WP:Anatomy and not WPMED.  Since WPMED decided not to include anatomy articles, the scopes of WP:Anatomy and WPMED are basically mutually exclusive.  WP:NURSE is another project that is similar, but mutually exclusive.  I'd say that Anatomy and Nursing aren't daughter projects of WPMED, but rather "similar" or "parallel" projects.  WPMED hasn't really "accepted" any child projects, as any child projects that's scope was entirely within the scope of WPMED have been accepted as task forces.  If you ask at WT:Anatomy, if anyone responds, I'm not sure they would even say they are a child of WPMED.
 * Regarding WP:Dams and WP:Engineering, it is not up to WP:Dams to decide to replace WP:Engineering tags. Every project can choose which articles they wants in their scopes.  If WP:Engineering has decided to defer all dam articles to WP:Dams (similar to WPMED deferring anatomy articles to WP:Anatomy), that's one thing, and okay.  But it's not okay for WP:Dams to remove WP:Engineering tags unless WP:Engineering approves.
 * People may have just been tagging hospital articles with WPMED because there was no alternative, but hospitals are currently within WPMED's stated scope (as it was stated at WP:MEDA before you changed it a few days ago - without any discussion). What needs to take place now is a discussion at WPMED whether it wants to include hospitals within its scope (in which case a hospitals task force would probably be better), or if it wants to defer all hospital articles to a separate, but parallel WP:Hospitals project.  I think it should be all or none, and not some vague "significant medical facilities" only included in WPMED.  --Scott Alter (talk) 00:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Scott, I'm with you about the all-or-nothing idea. Shall we have that discussion at WT:MED or at MEDA (where, BTW, I have an open question that I'd like your thoughts on)?  Do you want to start it?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:48, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Notability
Hospitals are not inherently notable. Nothing is inherently notable. The idea that "all hospitals are notable" has been previously discussed and firmly rejected in the past.

I have replaced this claim with an accurate description of the existing standards for notability. If you do a proper search, I believe that the overwhelming majority of hospitals in developed countries will easily meet the standard, but there is an actual standard, and it's much more source-oriented than the previous description indicated. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:46, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree with you, didn't mean to imply that all hospitals were notable. Most are though, and the way you phrased it works much better than my nascent attempt. Ng.j (talk) 04:23, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles to assess
If anyone's home, please look through Category:Unknown-importance medicine articles to find articles about hospitals that have been tagged for WPMED instead of this project. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I am still in the process of switching over hospital articles from WPMED to WikiProject Hospitals, but am using it as an opportunity to improve each page as well. So it takes a little bit longer, but the hospital articles will be of a higher quality. A few others have been tagging and switching over as well. Ng.j (talk) 21:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikiproject Essex
WikiProject Essex is taking this opportunity to invite WikiProject Hospitals to collaborate with us to improve the quality of articles about hospitals in Essex. If you are interested, please contact us at our talkpage. Thanks, Thomas888b (Say Hi) 17:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hospitals in Virginia
Just want to put this on the hospitals project's radar. I just created Hospitals in Virginia and have transcluded it on hospital articles in Virgnia. While I did a decent job of converting the information on List of hospitals in Virginia into template form, it still needs a bit of work, and hoping that folks here can help improve it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. That seems like a good idea.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:24, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Pitt County Memorial Hospital
Could I persuade someone to look at Pitt County Memorial Hospital? It is a level one trauma, academic medical center in North Carolina. I've put some work into it and would love to get someone to look over it. I'm not sure it is GA quality yet, but I think it is close. Any takers? Thanks!  P G Pirate  20:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Added it to my watch list. PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages) 22:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hospital ships
Do hospital ships fall under the remit of this Wikiproject? A number of articles are categorised under Category:Hospital ships and subcats thereof. Mjroots (talk) 13:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This is an interesting point, I'm not opposed to it, and a lot of these articles are not worked on too much by WP:SHIPS. I would say yes just off the cuff. Ng.j (talk) 13:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd disagree that these articles are not worked on too much by WP:SHIPS, the opposite is probably nearer the mark. Anyways, feel free to tag all categorized articles for this WP if that is appropriate. Mjroots (talk) 18:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Forth Valley Royal Hospital
It has now become Ga quality but dosent have an importance rating. Could someone take a look at it. Warburton1368 (talk) 16:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Are Becker's Hospital Review lists worth including at hospital pages, and if so, how much weight is due?
Becker's Hospital Review seems to have nowhere the level of acceptance as U.S. News and World Report hospital rankings, so I'm of the opinion it's probably not worth including (until other reliable sources give us an independent assessment of its worth). I looked for such an assessment in newspaper archives and google scholar but came up empty. If we do include it I think giving it equal weight with U.S. News and World Report is undue. A google scholar search comparison of "Becker's Hospital Review" hospital rankings vs. "U.S. News & World Report" hospital rankings yields 1 hit from a random website vs. many hits in respected medical journals. Sure, some of those hits in medical journals could criticize U.S. News and World Report, but it appears nearly no one cares about Becker's to cite it. So how can we cite it without being undue? I had a previous discussion with a new editor (User talk:Tgoldst5) about this and I just saw this version of a hospital page, prompting this thread. I thought about posting this at WP:NPOVN but I decided to do it here. Thanks. Jesanj (talk) 23:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Posted at WP:MED, please reply there. Jesanj (talk) 15:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

List of hospitals in (state) & Hospitals (state) templates standardization
I have seen many variations of the lists and templates. What fields should be included in the List of hospitals in (state) -- Hospital name, city/town, county, bed size, part of (system), date founded, trauma level, previous name(s), etc.? How should the Hospitals (state) template be set up - Type of hospital, date founded, city/town, county, etc.? Mr.Atoz (talk) 14:47, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have updated the List of hospitals in Georgia (U.S. state). Here is my proposed format for Lists of hospitals in (state):


 * {| class="wikitable sortable"

! Hospital Name !! City !! County !! Trauma Center Designation !! Hospital Beds !! COTH Teaching Hospital!! Year Founded !! Notes !! Website
 * Medical Center of Central Georgia || Macon || Bibb || Level I || 639 || Yes || 1895 ||  || website
 * }
 * What do you think? Mr.Atoz (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * }
 * What do you think? Mr.Atoz (talk) 05:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:HighBeam
HighBeam describes a limited opportunity for Wikipedia editors to have access to HighBeam Research. —Wavelength (talk) 18:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Grace Hospital (Seattle)
This is listed in project hospitals; Shouldn't it be in a film/TV project?--RichardMills65 (talk) 05:17, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Bot Stub Category
I just noticed that the WikiProject Hospitals doesn't have the  parameter enabled. Could just somebody enable it? In other words, I am busy. The reason is that my bot (i.e. AnkitAWB) tagged a lot of hospital-related articles with that parameter left "on". -- Ankit Maity Talk Contribs 10:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I "think" I enabled the auto parameter correctly and created the necessary category pages. FiachraByrne (talk) 22:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, all right. (And thanks) -- Ankit Maity Talk Contribs 15:46, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Active?
Forgive my impertinence and this is not intended as an attack or insult but is this project currently active? FiachraByrne (talk) 23:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a question that could be applied to almost any Wikiproject. Very few are still active. We really need to start merging up, until activity happens. --  Zanimum (talk) 15:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The main user behind this tiny group seems to have stopped editing in September. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:12, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. So should it be merged up or is there any procedure for attracting new editors to orphan projects? FiachraByrne (talk) 02:46, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WikiProject_Council/Inactive_projects seems to be the place to close a project. It's basically self-serve, you can list it, but unless you merge it into another project, it never closes.
 * This WikiProject's parent is "WikiProject Health and fitness", which is only moderately more active. Really WikiProject National Health Service should be simulatenously merged into Health and fitness too, it's been inactive since 2011. --  Zanimum (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It could also bee merged as a task force under WP:MED. Or it could be left alone, because there seems to be more activity now. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Assessment issues
I have been adding and/or assessing UK-based hospital articles for the past few days and have come across a couple of issues for discussion. I am not in any way affiliated with Hospitals, or this project, just saw it needed doing as I was looking at WP:WALES.
 * 1) Some articles contain the word Hospital, but they mean it in the old english sense of almshouse. Since there is no explicit mention of a medical context, I am assuming that these would not be in the scope of the project. See, for example, Christ's Hospital of Abingdon, Donnington Hospital.
 * 2) Some articles are not actually hospitals but rather other medical terms. I suggest these should not be in the scope of this project. I think the scope of the project should precisely be Hospitals, clinics, and related organizations. For example, what about Vidant Health (no?), Anesthesia cart (no), Early postnatal hospital discharge (no), Franciscan Alliance, Inc. (no?), AHMC (no?)?welsh (talk) 19:52, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome and congratulations on receiving a non-revocable lifetime membership of this project.
 * 1. I think you're correct; they're former medieval almshouses and should only be included if they subsequently developed into something resembling a hospital. Please remove any and all that you find.
 * 2. Vidant health & Franciscan Alliance Inc are hospital networks and AHMC is a hospital corporation - and I think all such networks and hospital governing bodies, such as the NHS, definitely should be included. An anesthesia cart is a medical device and there's no need to include it or any other medical equipment. Early postnatal hospital discharge specifically addresses the impact of hospital stay periods and therefore I think it is relevant to this (moribund) project. FiachraByrne (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Since you have decided I am a lifelong member, I have joined! I have a number of reflections on WP:Hospitals which I will share here. There seems a low level of activity on the Project, but a fair bit of activity on Hospital articles in WP. I muse that worldwide, hospitals are characterised by being really important to their user community, but of almost no interest to anyone else. This rule of thumb seems to work for community facilities (Low importance), Regional (Mid), National (High) and Global (Top) levels, at least for current facilities. Now-closed facilities tend to drift downwards in importance.

I am really only interested in UK hospitals, and note 2 anomalies that I would like to address: At a low level I have been implementing some of these changes, and ensuring that articles are tagged in WP:Hospitals. However, now I am exposing this activity for consultation before I proceed further. I will also post at WP:MED.
 * 1) WP:MED was the precursor project and is now acknowledged as a sister project. There are c 200 articles that are anomalies in WP:MED and should be transferred. There will be a minority that should stay in WP:MED if there is a genuine Medical reason to be there.
 * 2) WikiProject National Health Service is a defunct UK project that should be removed in favour of WP:Hospitals. It has about 300 articles, many already in both projects.

I have also been standardising the assessment for the non-article Classes such as Project, Disambig, Category, Template to be NA, which is as hinted on the assessment guidance, but was not as implemented. This removes the wood from the trees on genuine articles on the Project assessment stats.welsh (talk) 21:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What kind of articles are you referring to as anomalously part of WP:MED - they're all articles about hospitals I assume? We should probably ask at WP:MED if we're to remove them from that project but I'd wager they'd be happy enough for others to take responsibility for those articles.
 * I agree that if WP:NHS is dead the project banners should be replaced. Would it make sense to upmerge WP:NHS into this project?
 * Anyhow, I agree with your proposals. FiachraByrne (talk) 19:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ref WP:MED. It was agreed some time ago that WP:Hospitals would take hospital articles as a sister project to WP:MED. There are about 200 residual articles that should be removed from WP:MED as a tidying. (I will ask there first). Yes an upmerge may be what I am suggesting for WP:NHS, though that sounds rather grand. First I will look at the xxx NHS Trust type articles to convince myself they should be in scope. welsh (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. FiachraByrne (talk) 22:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)


 * WPMED's scope is outlined at WP:MEDA, and cheerfully hands all hospitals over to this group. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:41, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Scope
I have added a Scope section to the main project page to help define (in fact mainly state the de facto position) for what is in and out of the scope of this project. Comments welcome. The one area that is an explicit expansion of scope, is to include the management organisations/companies that run hospitals. I think this is very relevant and related, and often provides more detail of smaller health facilities in a region. In the UK this would include many articles about the National Health Service structure, and would, in time, pave the way for the defunct WP:NHS to be merged here. welsh (talk) 23:28, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with including articles on management. Regarding NHS, is there any utility or interest in keeping WikiProject National Health Service or making it a task force of this project?  There are just over 300 articles tagged for that project.  Could you conceive of a future project dedicated to the NHS now that this project exists?  --Scott Alter (talk) 03:06, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Currently WP:NHS is inactive. I guess there are maybe 800 articles that should be in scope. All the hospitals are now in WP:Hospitals, and eventually I will add all the NHS Trust articles too (as per the new scope definition). I am unsure whether there is any specific need or desire to maintain WP:NHS or a NHS task-force here. I have no view either way. welsh (talk) 23:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Neither do I. It could also become a WPMED task force, if the NHS seems to be bigger than hospitals and hospital-like things, or we could divide the articles between the two groups.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Floor plans
Some useful pictures are found in commons:Category:Hospitals and Asylums of the World. See Sabbatsbergs sjukhus for an example of their use. This book was published in 1893. I've just uploaded the 112 pages, but categorization of each hospital remains. In some cases, the images need to be split and/or cropped. --LA2 (talk) 11:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Mount Elizabeth Hospital
Mount Elizabeth Hospital seems rather short article. Since several prominent people from outside of Singapore have died there (ie. President Zillur Rahman, 2012 Delhi gang rape victim), I assume this is a major medical center of advanced techniques in the region. As such, it should really have a longer article. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Lincoln Hospital (Bronx, New York)
Lincoln Hospital (Bronx, New York) has been cleaned up a bit. Any suggestions as to improve this article? 2 April 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.205.95.80 (talk) 23:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Research Medical Center
Could use a few more eyes regarding a recent incident in the news. --j⚛e deckertalk 20:09, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Liverpool District Hospital 1918.tif
file:Liverpool District Hospital 1918.tif has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 23:36, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Liverpool hospital images
have been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 12:18, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * File:LiverpoolHospitalModern.jpg
 * File:LiverpoolHospitalFrontFascade.jpg

Resources
In the resources section of the project page one of the resources it mentions for use is Healthgrades.com. How much of the information on healthgrades.com is usable for hospital pages i.e. is awards from hospitalgrades.com allowed ect. please clairify on the project page section resources with this subject. Greenberg2939 (talk) 15:07, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Missing topics page
I have created Missing topics about Hospitals - Skysmith (talk) 11:03, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Interpretive plaque on southside of Fort Lowell hospital.jpg
image:Interpretive plaque on southside of Fort Lowell hospital.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.129.3 (talk) 05:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Subject specialist help needed at Articles for Creation
Please take a look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Instituto Medico San Nicolas (IMSAN). The regular AfC reviewers seem to be unable to decide if it is notable. BTW some of the sources are in Dutch. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Lack of notability and virtually identical articles.
If someone has the time, can you go through the articles in Category:Hospitals in South Africa? The vast majority of these are basically a copy and paste with the same content except for the location. They require MoS cleanup for spelling case in the body. The lot could well be speedy deleted since there is no attempt to establish notability unless you can make a case that government funding, which appears to be there only notability, is in fact notable. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Input needed
Please comment at Talk:Sichuan University School of Medicine. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Input might be valuable at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paras Hospitals
Also, has this project considered setting up a deletion sorting list? Cheers, --j⚛e deckertalk 02:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:Hospitals articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Consumer Reports
I just saw this post on the WikiProject Medicine talk page and it made me visit this project. Consumer Reports is a United States-based non-profit organization which, among other things, collects information about most hospitals in the United States. One of the things CR is most interested in is safety complaints, but it actually collects all kinds of data from all kinds of reporting processes. The organization also is interested in getting more information about individual hospitals onto Wikipedia as part of its non-profit mission to improve patient safety. There are some barriers to this and I would need to discuss those problems with others, and unfortunately I am gone until March. If anyone is interested in talking with me in a few weeks, please post on my talk page or the talk page of WP:Consumer Reports and I we can have a phone or Skype chat.

Thanks also to everyone who is moving the hospital tags from WikiProject Medicine to this WikiProject - that is a good idea.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)   01:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Reporting in, I've had several chats with folks at CR regarding Pellucid data, I'd be happy to talk about marrying up the offline work with something here. Jazmichaelking (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Welsh has being doing most (all) of the work on the tags. Your proposal sounds very interesting. Would you post back here in March? FiachraByrne (talk) 03:50, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is already on my calendar.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   15:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Notable staff or patients
Should articles about individual hospitals have sections devoted to notable staff or patients? I submit that major medical centers with notable staff ought to have such listings, but sections for notable patients may be problematic especially in the realm of mental health. I submit that notable patients be omitted from hospital articles unless the information is noteworthy as to the particular hospital. (An example might be Walter Reed Army Medical Center which will care for Presidents.) Comments are requested. – S. Rich (talk) 03:02, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I would concur that naming patients (outside of notable patiens already reported in the press) should be considered an invasion of privacy. Understandably if the patient is (a) notable and has (b) participated in something notable enough for it to have appeared as a source somewhere then I can imagine it being relevant, but other than deaths I'm not sure what would make any person's patient-dom notable outside of "first transplant" type situations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazmichaelking (talk • contribs) 21:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Question Regarding Hospital Self-promotion
As I begin to add infoboxes and update existing infoboxes with sourced bed counts, addresses etc., I'm noticing a lot of the larger US hospitals proclaiming numerous awards and distinctions that are either (a) very out of date ("Number two ranked for cardiac surgery by [insert random awarding entity] in 2006) or (b) leaps of logic as to something like government issued quality reports being construed as awarded ranking ("NY DOH found [insert hospital] to be the best at cardiac surgery in a report dated 2007.

These awards or ranks or grades are certainly true for the most part, but have since been superceded by updated reports that places these hospitals lower, or not at all. What is the accepted notability of these sorts of findings? The language I'm finding is primarily cut and pasted from hospital Web site "About Us" pages and is either posted from IPs originating within the hospital or otherwise smells like PR language as oopsoed to notable, factual copy. I don't want to be heavy handed, but many of these articles are sourceless and clearly advertising copy at best. What is the group's stance on this sort of thing? mynameismonkey (talk) 18:01, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Interview for The Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Hospitals for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Thanks,  Rcsprinter123    (natter)  @ 09:48, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Social Welfare and Social Work
There are a number of hospital articles that have recently had either a portal Portal:Social Welfare and Social Work or a template Template:Social work added. I noticed a number of the articles about hospitals in Scotland and other parts of the UK being targeted. It seem to be mainly being done by The Vintage Feminist (talk).

This is happening to articles that have no mention of social work and are not categorised as social work. What do others think of this? Drchriswilliams (talk) 05:18, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I have read the discussion on both user talk pages. My view is that a blanket reference to the Portal in all Hospital articles would not be appropriate - rather its use should be targeted at those articles where its inclusion is particularly relevant. In generic, global terms I do not think there is a one-to-one mapping between hospital institutions (the main focus of WP:Hospitals) and Social Welfare and Social Work, though in practice on the ground they are often increasingly integrated, for example in Scotland. Perhaps a rule of thumb would be to include the Portal reference as part of a section that covers Social Welfare and Social Work.


 * Let's continue to discuss here to see if we can get a consensus. welsh (talk) 08:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine
There is an ongoing discussion at the above page that concerns this project. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:14, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Category ??? in hospital importance has been disabled - why?
The ??? category of hospital importance has been disabled. I am not sure why, but this happened since Tuesday this week. I was trying to locate some of the institutions in this category and that is how I discovered this. Bill Pollard (talk) 11:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Mount Sinai Hospital, Toronto
Should we add some information about their maternity care to the existing article? Their website states that "it is one of the top women health-care centres in the world." Aem1009 (talk) 23:50, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello. In the case of organizations, including hospitals, Wikipedia avoids reporting what organizations say about themselves and instead reports what external information sources say. If you find an external source, like a quality review not published by the hospital or their financial partners, then cover whatever that review says and provide a citation to where you got the information.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  00:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply! I did try looking for secondary sources to support their claims but couldn't find anything. I was wondering if someone perhaps would have had better luck... I will keep searching around. Thanks again. Aem1009 (talk) 10:52, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It is difficult to find sources. The communications policy of maybe 90% of hospitals is to prevent the publication of any information about the hospital except what their official spokespeople say about themselves. Writing about hospitals is difficult in Wikipedia for sure.
 * I would not know where to find it, but probably somewhere there are government reviews or audits of the hospital. If you can find one of those reports then that is best, because they can be trusted to identify special features and highlight any problems that exist.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  13:35, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikidata hospital by country lists
Wikidata can now automatically create lists (actually tables). I used this to create a list of hospitals for every country in the world: d:Wikidata:WikiProject Medicine/Hospitals by country. The lists could be used on Wikipedia, but I also created them for editors to see where coverage is low. After you edited some data on Wikidata pressing "Manually update list" at the top of the page will incorporate these changes into the table. Let me know if you find this useful or are intersted in lists with different contents. --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:37, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

RfC of interest to this project
Please see this. BMK (talk) 05:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Oregon hospital articles
A year ago, the Wiki-Oregon team did a project to create articles on Oregon hospitals. We’re comfortable rating the articles for Oregon-related importance; however, no one on our team is quite sure how to rate hospital articles for quality. Articles are posted on Wiki-Hospital assessment page for review. Can someone from Wiki-Hospitals take a look; we’ll use the same ratings for our Wiki-Oregon assessment?--Orygun (talk) 07:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

development of Cleveland Clinic
has done excellent development of the Cleveland Clinic article, including citing good sources and providing photos of the facilities. I wanted to share this with this WikiProject as a model of what I would like to see more often. Like with anything on-wiki there is room for improvement, but interesting things that I see here are an excellent history of the institution and some information about the philosophy of practice there as critiqued by external commentators. This information will not always be available but I can imagine other institutions wishing that they were discussed and even critiqued in the way that Cleveland Clinic is presented here. I am happy with these recent changes.  Blue Rasberry  (talk)  16:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * article right now - wow!
 * August 2015, before development
 * This user works for that clinic. I reviewed this person's content as well as I thought I should. It is being questioned now because of the person's WP:COI, and their edits were removed. I put a portion of their edits at Talk:Cleveland_Clinic. I would appreciate any comment anyone would share on what is presented there. If it meets Wikipedia's standards then I would like to move it back into the article. If it does not meet standards then I would appreciate comments.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  23:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Wow, what a forum shopping! Please stop disrespecting WP:FORUMSHOP! It's a smarmy PR job that is a disaster in terms of NPOV, etc, as discussed AT LENGTH at Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard. Likewise on the article talk page. Get your fingers out of your ears please. Address the concerns that have already been raised and prematurely archived to Talk:Cleveland_Clinic/Archive_1! --Elvey(t•c) 01:49, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I am just seeing this months later. I would talk anytime or anywhere. As of late 2015 I was not aware of any outstanding criticism and have not followed the issue since.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  18:18, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Notability of some new medical organization articles
The following were created by a paid editor. Could someone please check them for notability. I cannot access some of the sources.


 * Narayana Superspeciality Hospital
 * Mazumdar Shaw Medical Centre
 * Narayana Multispecialty Hospital, Mysore
 * Rabindranath Tagore International Institute of Cardiac Sciences

Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Two hospitals with unclear notability

 * Maharaja Agrasen Hospital (Bangalore)
 * Medical Center of Southeastern Oklahoma

Hi, the above articles have been tagged for notability since 2008. I wonder if a member of the project could take a look and advise if these are notable hospital? Otherwise, I plan to propose these articles for deletion. Thank you. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Overlap with WP:WikiProject Medicine/Society and medicine task force
My concern relates to the articles for various medical colleges. I was wondering if  should be placed on talk pages of medical colleges as in Talk:Al-Ameen Medical College. Since WP:Hospitals has been placed on the articles and so rather than introducing WP:MED separately would it not be a better idea to introduce a parameter like  or   within the scope of WP:Hospitals? I am trying to mark the overlap of scope of the two wikiprojects here.

I was going through List of medical colleges in India and was quite shocked to see the pathetic condition that the majority of the articles are in. Indeed we need to figure out some way to tag them. I just want to point out that perhaps the significance of medical colleges is slightly more than that of any other hospital.

The same discussion has been opened at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Society and medicine task force. Requesting you to put your inputs there.  D ip ta ns hu Talk 02:51, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Before we had WP:Hospitals we tagged them as WPMED. Now that we have WPHOSPITALS we do not need to. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:31, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

New York Methodist Hospital
Hello all--i am not sure the best way to go about this, so please forgive any missteps. I work in the public affairs office of the New York Methodist Hospital, and NYM will be going through a major rebranding soon, and due to conflict of interest issues, I know that I cannot do the updating myself (right?). However, I want to make sure that that editors (non-affiliated) are notified so that our page is at least up to date. I also want to mention that our page has been a point of contention for a certain individual (currently banned). Can someone please advise the best way to go about this? thanks 143.104.225.142 (talk) 18:40, 8 November 2016 (UTC) 143.104.225.142

AfD: South Texas Family Planning & Health Corporation
There is a deletion discussion for this article at Articles for deletion/South Texas Family Planning & Health Corporation which may be of interest to project members. Voceditenore (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Medical centers in the United States
Why were the hospitals in Medical centers in the United States chosen? What sets them apart from other medical centers? There are other large and well known medical centers that aren't listed. Where is the line? Or are all of the examples having their own section even necessary? Natureium (talk) 15:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Missing topics list
My list of missing topics about hospitals is updated - Skysmith (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Question: How to Merge An Acquired Hospital System's Page Into The Acquiring System's Page
Greetings. Vince from Kaiser Permanente here. Kaiser Permanente has completed the acquisition of Group Health Cooperative, based in Seattle. Each organization has an existing Wikipedia page. To better organize this content, it seems like we should merge the Group Health page somehow into the Kaiser Permanente page. How can I best pursue this goal?

Data to support this request can be found here: http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20170213/NEWS/170219979 And also here: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/feb/08/group-health-members-to-see-no-plan-changes-this-y/ And here (registration required): https://www.wsj.com/articles/washington-state-approves-kaiser-permanente-acquisition-of-group-health-1484344929

Thank you for your consideration. If I have presented this query in the wrong place, thank you in advance for your guidance. vggolla (talk) 21:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * This is a fine place to ask.
 * Group Health still has its own history as an organization and the merger does not change that history. If the GH article were merged, then that might put the extra weight of that organization's history on the KP page giving undue weight to GH in the narrative of KP. The GH page should be updated to indicate that its future is in a merge with KP. Usually both pages would be kept. What would you hope to accomplish by a merge? Do you want something more complicated than a note on GH saying that it was acquired by KP?  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  22:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Helipad Cost to Hospitals
How much does a helipad add to the cost of a building. As you can see in the foreground, the Mt. Sinai hospital in Los Angeles, has several helipads, ranked for different weights of helicopters: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0718989,-118.3789237,525a,35y,39.33t/data=!3m1!1e3  The one in the center is ranked "15," for 15,000 pounds, while the one in the back left is ranked "12" for 12,000 pounds.

Does anyone have any idea how much it costs to add such a helipad to the roof of a building, and how much more it adds to the cost to increase the poundage to support heavier and heavier helicopters?

If so, you could add it to the Wikipedia Helipad page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helipad — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:31EB:2EC0:F8DD:9DBA:8A67:71F5 (talk) 01:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

May be of interest to this project
Draft:Arizona State Level Trauma Centers — Paleo Neonate  - 04:27, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

List if hospitals in dubai
I posted a message: Talk:List_of_hospitals_in_Dubai. In case I am mistaken in relation to how hospitals are covered, please comment there. Any editor willing to clean up the list is welcome. Thanks, — Paleo Neonate  – 10:16, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

What counts as a hospital?
I'm editing some of the lists of hospitals by state, and I don't know what should be considered a hospital. Do multiple buildings of the same hospital need to be listed separately? What about satellite locations of one hospital? Natureium (talk) 20:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * For Wikipedia, I recommend only listing organizations which pass Notability. The situation is ambiguous but some guidance is at Stand-alone lists. Through Wikidata we will eventually get exhaustive lists of every hospital, building, satellite, clinic, and everything, but for now, Wikipedia is strongest in matching information with reliable sources. Some lists even get purged of non-notable list items or items without citations.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  21:28, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

New photo for Cleveland Clinic
Hello, I am Eileen Sheil, executive director of corporate communications at Cleveland Clinic. I created this edit request to add two new photos to Cleveland Clinic. One of them has been added to the article, but File:Taussig Cancer Center.png has not. Are there editors here who might help if the photo is deemed appropriate? As I am an employee at Cleveland Clinic, I have disclosed and discussed my conflict of interest, and will avoid direct editing. Thanks, ClevelandClinicES (talk) 14:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello! I'm not an official project member but I work on improving articles of Hospitals around Central Ohio. I will attempt to make sure it is appropriate but to be clear, the photo must illustrate something in the article. Are you proposing exchanging your photo for this? It is a shame the cancer center isn't described in more detail since I'm sure it would be worthwhile to do so. I don't feel qualified to do that but it would make it easier to know where the photos would fit best. All of that aside, I believe a OTRS ticket on Commons where you hosted the files is in order since I don't think you yourself took the image and it is owned by you unless I'm wrong. Assuming I'm not wrong, that would clarify that you, the copyright holder explicitly grants permission for the distribution of the files under a free license. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, Sixflashphoto. The photo File:Taussig Cancer Center.png was taken by a photographer employed in the Cleveland Clinic's Art & Photography Department, so the copyright belongs to Cleveland Clinic. I uploaded the photo to Wikimedia Commons on behalf of Cleveland Clinic, therefore releasing the image under a CC BY 4.0 license.


 * The intent of the photo is to replace the existing Taussig Cancer Center photo in the Reputation section of Cleveland Clinic with the new Taussig Cancer Center building that opened in March 2017.


 * Considering these details, can you add the image to the article? Thanks, ClevelandClinicES (talk) 15:11, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
 * There is a bureaucratic matter to resolve. When we get photos from institutions we need proof by email of the copyright. Typical proof is getting an email from an official email address. That email is mostly private in a system described at WP:OTRS, but the receipt of the email is publicly tagged on the image so that we know that we can share it. Can you send an email as described at Commons:Commons:Email_templates? I recommend using that email generator in the button, but the text is there otherwise. The image looks great and if you can sort the copyright as an organization (which will be required upon review anyway) then I can post the image into the article. It is a striking image.
 * Thanks.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  16:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, Blue Rasberry, OTRS permission was added on November 1. Can you post the image to the article now? Thanks, ClevelandClinicES (talk) 21:06, 2 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Done! I also closed the copy of this request on the talk page there. Thanks for sharing. Post again anytime.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  21:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Healthcare managers
Please join this discussion and this discussion about Category:Healthcare managers. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Hiospitals

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 15:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

RfC on Infobox hospital template
I have proposed the addition of a new parameter to Template:Infobox hospital. The proposal can be found at Template talk:Infobox hospital. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.  Ergo Sum  23:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
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