Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian cities/Archive 2

Workgroup-level quality statistics
Please read. Regards, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 08:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Port Blair
someone might want to fix the location of Port Blair on its infobox map.. doesn't appear to be correct ;) (you'll notice its at the lower-lefthand corner.) drumguy8800   C   T  07:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Chennai/Mumbai area locator map
Just created location map for chennai. Some fine tuning necessary here on the top left and bottom right coordinates of the map. The map is not complete and i just put it together using google maps (god bless them), i will modify it later over the next weekend. Right now pls look into implementing it in infoboxes. As i get time will create maps for other metros --Plane Mad 20:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Chennai infobox created, Ive added it to a few pages as a test to check positioning, see Mylapore for example. Template can be edited here . We need to decide what fields need to be included. We can then have similiar infoboxes for all metros. Hopefully no issues with the map--Plane Mad 15:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Mumbai locator map is now online, please make use of them --Plane Mad 09:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

neighborhoods
i have asked this before, but got no response. does noone think it is a good idea to have a separate section titled neighborhoods for each city? --ti 19:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it would fragment the article too much, and would give rise to all sorts of people adding their local neighbourhoods prominence. The best would be to include general content under =Layout= =Nichalp   «Talk»=  16:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Population
I edited the population figures at Varanasi, and cited them from UP Gov. website. Now the problem is that the new data is totally incoherent with WorldGazetteer one.

Secondly, the infobox has no place to site. Currently the link is between the number and /km² number.

Some one, any one, who has more idea of what actually is going on here, and what is the trend for other Indian cities' article, please help with the correct data.--æn↓þæµß¶-ŧ-¢ 20:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Lead in section concern
has expressed concern about the lead in section in Indian cities, and have added a table with image on top of the infobox:Indian urban area, claiming that it improves article look-and-feel and should be used. I have suggested him to look into this project's article format, but he has re-inserted the hard-coded table on top of the infobox/locator map at New Delhi, Chennai. Since I am not a member of this project, and don't know about the consensus about article format, can someone look into his edits and see if that image-style adheres to whatever structure you guys came up with, for the city articles? Thanks. --Ragib 00:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He's supposed to raise it up on this page, as I've told him, not make unilateral changes. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  08:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys, I just dont see what would be so wrong about including an image of a famous city landmark or a skyline as part of the infobox. The standard wikipedia city box uses this code (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_City) as does almost every wikipedia city page. Some cities that have them are Shanghai, new york city, dubai, london, paris, beijing, taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore City, frankfurt...and i could keep going on. Is it that big a sin to add a pic that a city is known for? Nikkul 16:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi! I do not see anything wrong in incorporating the image of a wellknown city landmark in the infobox. However, I am not aware about any technical parameters that have to be added (to Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction) or any problems that may arise. One problem that may arise is the infobox, in most cases, would protrude into the next section (etymology or history). This would not look good.What do others say?--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * A skyline is supposed to showcase just that, not a landmark. The main reason is the resolution, which the width should be far greater than the height. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  19:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

In the United States and other western nations, cities were planned carefully. A business district was set up where commerce could prosper. Today, these are the downtowns and the skylines are views of these buildings. In India, we do not have a set downtown. Thus, a skyline can't and doesnt show the city. A landmark, on the other hand, would better suit cities which do not have a skyline like delhi. Landmarks could be rotated by voting on selected pictures that do not push the infobox too low. For example, anyone who has been to Paris knows that the city does not have a skyline at all. This is why the most famous landmark, La Tour Eiffel, is on their infobox. This would be a much better suit for Indian cities. Similar things have been done to Taipei, Paris, london, karachi, islamabad, rome, etc. These cities are very much like Indian cities in that they dont have skylines. Since this is an encyclopedia we must conform. Nikkul 13:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Skyline image
Hi everyone, we seem to have a dispute on all our city articles as to what goes as a skyline image. I propose the following: Thoughts on the image would be welcome. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  05:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) The image should be a skyline of the city. Having a specific monument would be open to subjective interpretation, and possible future edit warring.
 * 2) The skyline in question should be a panorama. (ie the aspect ratio should be high: width > height). The reason for this that we have a decent locator map in each of our city articles. If the height it too much, it is going to push the map too low and make a mess of the infobox.
 * 3) Now examples of such images have been cited as per Beijing, San Fransisco etc. The infoboxes used there are quite different, they also have the city seal and flag in the header, and the map comes down much later.
 * Comment:Can this be considered a skyline? Its not panorama, though.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It can be considered as it can be cropped further. But there's hardly any information in the image to show the cityscape for it to be suitable. See some of the images on Skyline =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * May be this almost qualifies. However, the image quality is not good.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Should qualify as a basic skyline. But are there some unique & recognisable buildings on the image? Like Manhattan would have the Empire States, Mumbai would have the Air India building. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

In the United States and other western nations, cities were planned carefully. A business district was set up where commerce could prosper. Today, these are the downtowns and the skylines are views of these buildings. In India, we do not have a set downtown. Thus, a skyline can't and doesnt show the city. A landmark, on the other hand, would better suit cities which do not have a skyline like delhi. Landmarks could be rotated by voting on selected pictures that do not push the infobox too low. For example, anyone who has been to Paris knows that the city does not have a skyline at all. This is why the most famous landmark, La Tour Eiffel, is on their infobox. This would be a much better suit for Indian cities. Similar things have been done to Taipei, Paris, london, karachi, islamabad, rome, etc. These cities are very much like Indian cities in that they dont have skylines. Since this is an encyclopedia we must conform. Nikkul 13:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a false statement. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  08:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Villages and Towns in India
Hi. I am planning to create stubs for villages/towns in India. I started with villages/towns at tehsil (sub-district) level as given in. Later i plan to do this for all villages in a particular sub-division. At present I am using WP:AWB to create the missing pages. I am using the template shown below to create the articles.

 is a village and a Mandal in Visakhapatnam district in the state of Andhra Pradesh in India.

Salvageable article?
Is the article PALANGAD salvageable? I'm unable to improve it as the place has no Google hits. I'm tempted to propose for deletion, but I'd like to hear other thoughts. Thanks. -SpuriousQ (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I searched for palangad and narikkuni in Panchayats in Kozhikode district. None of them are present in the list. But it doesn't guarantee that the village doesn't exist. It could be a revenue village in Kerala. --(Sumanth|Talk) 03:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for looking into it. I feel a bit weird even rewriting the article to conform to NPOV without verifying that it exists.  I've tagged the article as unsourced and asked the author if he knows of any sources... if none are provided in a few days, I'll probably prod it. -SpuriousQ (talk) 02:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Here ya go, even palangad cant escape from wikimapia ;) looking at the placemarks it seems every second hut has net access. On a side note i dont see any signs of a town anywhere --Plane Mad 12:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It has hits on google  =Nichalp   «Talk»=  16:18, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Mumbai suburbs and neighbourhoods
I think there needs to be some guidelines for ca'ting an article as a suburb or a neighbourhood. See Category:Mumbai neighbourhoods and Category:Suburbs of Mumbai. Should Andheri for example be a suburb or a neighbourhood? Its outside the city district, but where are the city limits? --Plane Mad 13:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The definition of Mumbai includes both the city and suburban districts. Together they form the metropolis of Mumbai, or what is (now rarely) called Greater Mumbai. Mumbai city only includes the city area. Suburbs start at Bandra/Sion and extend past the city limits. In general, they refer to all stops on the three suburban lines. Mumbai neighbourhoods on the other hand only includes places within the metropolitan limits of Mumbai. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  16:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

City infoboxes
I noticed that we have created seperate infoboxes for each city for use in suburbs/neighbourhoods. Example, Template:Infobox Chennai place. Is there a reason, why these cannot be merged into Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction with a type=suburb. If that is not possible, create a single infobox for all Indian suburbs and neighbourhoods. I think we will have less maintanance effort if we standardize on using one-infobox for all. Please comment. Regards, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 20:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Can localised fields such as ward etc also be displayed? =Nichalp   «Talk»=  06:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This can also be done for villages too. See above post. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  12:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I had created those templates as a test bed and i have requested Saravsak to do the job of integrating it with the indian infobox. But we do need to discuss what are the required fields for a neighbourhood --Plane Mad 15:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Scope of this project
A bit of a dispute has arisen over the appropriateness of material to include in the Madikeri article. This is a town with a population of about 30 000. Others have been adding certain content, I've been removing some of it. Discussions are at User talk:Amarrg and User talk:Imc. It seems the additions are in line with the guidelines set by this project. These guidelines state that they apply to 'cities', sometimes to 'towns' but without a statement of what cities are and what towns are. In this case they are being applied to a relatively small town. I'm questioning some aspects of the appropriateness of these guidelines to such towns here. I suggest that statement of the scope of this project or of its constituent parts is needed – i.e. saying what sort of places they apply to.

First, is it appropriate to add information here in Wikipedia on how to get to every town by rail and air, even when there is no railway line or airport anywhere near? This after all is travel guide information and is / should be included in wikitravel.

Such information would certainly be appropriate to those places with rail stations and airports. It may be appropriate to include such information on a page for a region of appropriate level. In the case of Madikeri, this may be the district (Kodagu in this case), since the lack of air and rail facilities affects the whole of Kodagu. Without a statement of where such content is appropriate, such information could be added for every village and small town on the grounds that this is 'mandatory'.

Second, on a related question, I'd also question the inclusion of the 'culture' section for every town, it seems to me that culture heading should only be there if the local culture is significantly distinct from the culture of the surrounding region. In most cases for smaller towns, whatever is written about the district / state /region would be sufficient. Where there are distinctions, the descriptions for the town could be limited to describing how it is different. Imc 16:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

To answer your questions: I hope this answers your questions. Regards, =Nichalp   «Talk»=  17:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Towns are also covered under this wikiproject
 * 2) how to get to every town -- Firstly, no, we don't tell a reader how to get there, we tell them the nearest railhead and airport that serves the town.
 * 3) Secondly, a population of 30,000 is not an impediment. See Kalimpong and Gangtok with populations of ~50,000 that are featured. (The structure is a little different there, but that's because they were written before the wikiproject came along.)
 * 4) Regarding culture, we try to put in as much as local detail as possible, but also stuff that may overlap with the surrounding areas. City encyclopedic articles are written as single units of content, so a reader in Mexico reading about Kalimpong can easily learn about the culture of the city without having to read the article on Darjeeling district for information on the same, which may not be fully applicable to Kalimpong.

Help regarding Koteshwar
I stumbled into Koteshwar and was trying to think of what to do with it. It's obviously not written in proper style, so while trying to clean it up I tried to look up some information on this location and got more and more confused. For one I cannot verify if it is simply the location of a temple, it is a settlement, a town, or what. The article claims it is near Kundapur in Karnatka, while a web search seems to claim it is near Rudraprayag in Uttarakhand, which are on opposite sides of the country. There are even some sources that put it in Gujarat. Each of these also claim it to be the home of a Kotilingeshwara temple.

So I am confused. Is Koteshwar an actual city, or perhaps multiple cities? Is it a name of a type of temple, and there is more than one in the country? This article needs to be fixed up but I can't do it, hoping perhaps someone here can provide guidance. Thanks!  Ar ky an  &#149; (talk) 17:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * There are multiple places with the name Koteshwar.


 * 1) Koteshwar is a village in Gandhinagar sub-district in Gujarat
 * 2) Koteshwar is a village in Jambusar sub-district in Gujarat
 * 3) Koteshwara is a village in Kundapura sub-district in Karntataka (some sources quote this as Koteshwar)
 * 4) Koteshwar Temple : A temple near Rudraprayag
 * 5) Kotilingeshwara is a temple in Kolar district in Karnataka

Hope this helps. --(Sumanth|Talk) 04:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That is precisely what I needed to know. Thank you very much!  Ar ky an  &#149; (talk) 22:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

URGENT action required !!!
Please see the pages Kotdwara, Pauri and Ramnagar. There are a few lines added below the text about another town kedarnath. In case of Pauri these lines are visible from the earlier version dated 22 October 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pauri&oldid=82952320), although I had not seen them before yesterday. Now the problem is that the text can neither be deleted nor undone as it does not show up in the 'edit this page' and also does not reflect in history.

Earlier I had thought that this might be due to tempering of the template 'Infobox Indian Jurisdiction', however that does not appear to be the cause as other pages using same template e.g. Dehradun, Haldwani do not encounter such problem.

Someone Please fix it.--mānu 10:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. someone had added the text to the uttarakhand geo stub template --Plane Mad 10:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --mānu 10:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Necessity of providing list of organisation and educational institues / schools /colleges
The page of Dehradun has a section named 'Government institutes and companies' where several organisations have been listed. Some of these are not even government organisations, someone has put a bracket with them indicating the same. Besides many educational institutes have also been listed here, although another section named 'Education' follows it. Even in the section 'Education' lot of schools / colleges have been listed.

Whereas it appears more correct that names of educational institutes should be listed under section 'Education', the question is how much desirable / necessary are such type of lists?

--mānu 11:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A mention the major institutes would suffice (see WikiProject_Indian_cities). Also see featured articles like Bangalore and Chennai. --(Sumanth|Talk) 11:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Adding section Cityscape
Can we make a rule of adding a section Cityscape in the city articles like the Paris article. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  04:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

List of businesses in Dindigul
FYI - I've started a discussion item in Talk:Dindigul relating to recent additions to that article which consisting of lists of local businesses. -- Tcncv (talk) 01:50, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

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Montages
Please have a look at the ongoing dispute on Talk:Delhi regarding addition of montages to articles on Indian cities. --128.211.201.161 (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Kochi
Please, someone add Kochi to article List_of_million-plus_cities_in_India. --92.47.229.5 (talk) 13:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)