Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian politics/Archive 4

Shrikhand Shinde
The page of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrikant_Shinde is quite literally a large political ad. The whole thing is heavily unsourced and is only used as a way for the politician to boast achievements. This needs to be fixed ASAP considering the guy may be entering a more prominent position in Maharashtra politics now. 223.190.85.49 (talk) 20:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks IP, I've done a first pass and warned who was responsible for most of it. Hemantha (talk) 04:36, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Improper acceptance of a new proposal as policy
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) § Improper acceptance of a new proposal as policy. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:51, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is related to Constituency titles. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:51, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Seems to be resolved with the start of RfC at Proposal : Wikipedia:Naming conventions Indian constituencies --Venkat TL (talk) 13:31, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Total electors
@MPGuy2824 regarding Special:Diff/1096223105 please note that the source Elecorate size from CEO Punjab is outdated due to the release of the election 2022 detailed results. I have found that the the CEO data is always lower than the total electors size mentioned in the 2022 results, which is more recent. So I suggest using the 2022 election results for updating the most recent size of the electors. Venkat TL (talk) 08:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I guess they are able to add a few more electors before the elections. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824 thanks for understanding. Yes, a few hundred (or thousand) people will reach the adult age every month in a cosntituency, and also I believe everyone becomes more active about enrollment just before the election, hence the election data, even if fresh by only few months from annual CEO data, can have much variation. Venkat TL (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 July 3 § Template:Election Results table
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 July 3 § Template:Election Results table. Venkat TL (talk) 11:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Constituency titles
Please take a look at the Category:Assembly constituencies of Karnataka. Why are these article title different? Looks strange. --Venkat TL (talk) 07:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Sujanpur (Himachal Pradesh Assembly constituency)
 * Sujanpur (Punjab Legislative Assembly constituency)


 * More variations are found --Venkat TL (talk) 10:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Consensus across states may be difficult here? Just in south, Kerala - Nigam Sabha, MH - Vidhan sabha, TN - state assembly. But the Karnataka list does need uniformity; I'd prefer "Name (Vidhana Sabha constituency)". Once there's consensus, a AWB/Tasks request might be the best way to mass rename here. Hemanthah (talk) 12:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hemanthah Thanks for the reply. It is a big headache to find these articles as I have no idea what title these articles are using. I have to search twice or thrice even though I know the name of the city/Area. As I understand all the central and state elections are conducted by ECI. Obviously ECI would be using a standard name to avoid such confusion that I am facing. (What do they use?) We should use one name for all state and assembly constituencies. I understand that there are local names too but they are one among the many names, and they can be valid redirects. I agree with your preference. "Name (Vidhana Sabha constituency)" is fine with me. I am also ok with "Name (Assembly constituency)". (We should use 1 of these 2 names) Also is it necessary to use brackets? It is an additional challenge to use Pipe link to avoid brackets. If it is possible the bracket should be removed.
 * @MPGuy2824 YttriumShrew Diptyajit Please help to reach a consensus. Is this thread ok or should we start an RFC or Post on WT:INDIA? Venkat TL (talk) 13:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with your POV. We should use one format for naming all assembly constituencies. Name (Vidhana Sabha constituency). — Diptyajit (talk) 15:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Brackets are favored elsewhere. WP:NCGAL, a guideline, links to this UK convention mandating it; which I take as a strong hint policy-wise to use brackets in suffix.
 * Pan-India uniformity will raise issues, won't it? In Sujanpur example you mentioned above, more text than just '(Vidhana Sabha constituency)' is needed. I think this is not a problem for ECI since they always group constituencies by state and type (also they don't have to keep both 'Town' and 'Town (constituency)' as we need to). Hemanthah (talk) 18:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please take a look at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/India-related articles. Many proposals, arguments for and against are already there. That particular conversation seems dead, but we can start a new one, here. We should include the editors who took the time to comment in that thread. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:24, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no closing statement or summary there. If someone has read, they can post the summary here. The second last comment in that thread by (Vijeth N Bharadwaj 6:57 pm, 24 August 2020, Monday (1 year, 4 months, 11 days ago) that suggests, "Place (Assembly constituency)" seems most reasonable to me. With a minor change that I will disambiguate duplicate names using "Place, state (Assembly constituency)"
 * If 2 duplicate name constituencies are in same state then "Place, district (Assembly constituency)".
 * Both VSc and Ac is fine with me, see my comment above, though I feel Ac is better for brevity purpose.) Venkat TL (talk) 12:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * All the state legislative assemblies are named as ABC Legislative Assembly, see State legislative assemblies of India. So, we could throw away the VSc disamb. Also, I suggest a notification about this thread to appropriate places (WT:INDIA, WT:MOS/IN, others?) [and users]. — DaxServer (talk) 13:54, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding to my comment about VSc, I think the English names/disambs must be used (wherever it's used), as we term it State legislative assemblies of India and State legislative councils of India, despite both having alternative names (in their leads). In the end they just boil down to the common names in English for an English Wiki. — DaxServer (talk) 14:16, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree. If my brief read of that previous discussion is correct, this - i.e '(Assembly constituency)' as a uniform suffix - was also the rough consensus then. Hemantha (talk) 14:50, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that sounds right to me. But getting the consensus is harder. For eg, see this page I found where a move to consistent name was requested (months after the discussion linked above) but was blocked. The proposer seems to have later moved it, explicitly against that closure (¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ). And the commenter you quoted himself has particular preferences (Vidhan->Vidhana). This requires somebody to shepherd a proposal through (or fly under the radar like the proposer I mentioned before, haha) Hemantha (talk) 14:04, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * . We will have a rough estimate of more popular preferences after which we can start an RfC using those options to choose one among those. feel free to tag folks or give notifications. @Hemantha, I understand the reason of the wording Vidhan/a and If we have to use one consistent name, I will prefer "Vidhan" as it is more commonly used in English Media. Using Assembly constituency also avoids that debate. @DaxServer makes a good case for dropping VSc. Venkat TL (talk) 14:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Assembly constituencies of Punjab, India are using Dhuri Assembly Constituency. The naming is a total mess. I have looked at various uses. BBC uses FOO Assembly constituency. Indian paper The Hindu also uses FOO Assembly constituency (Note the capitalization). I propose that we also use the same and standardize all the constituency names to this type of capitalization without brackets, with rules for exceptions discussed above. @Hemantha @MPGuy2824 Venkat TL (talk) 10:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Assembly constituencies of Goa have the capitalization and wording correct. For Goa constituencies, the word "Goa" and brackets need to be dropped for this proposal. Venkat TL (talk) 08:49, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The A in Assembly has to be capital because it is a definite Assembly, Punjab Assembly in this case. Rest is acceptable. Venkat TL (talk) 09:40, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Proposal : Wikipedia:Naming conventions Indian constituencies
Should Naming conventions Indian constituencies be implemented as a guideline? 10:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Prior discussion on this topic was done at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/India-related articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian politics/Archive 4

Main points of the proposal: The current constituency names use wide variety of naming convention perhaps created by different users without centralized discussion. Hence the need for this discussion.Venkat TL (talk) 10:17, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) The A in Assembly has to be capital because it is a definite Assembly, Punjab Assembly for example. BBC uses FOO Assembly constituency. Indian paper The Hindu also uses FOO Assembly constituency. Note the capitalization in the headline :
 * 2) The suffix "Lok Sabha constituency" or "Assembly constituency" serve as WP:NATURAL disambiguation from the city name, so they do not need to be inside brackets.
 * 3)  policy WP:NAMINGCRITERIA sets five criteria all of which are satisfied in the proposal:
 * 4) Recognizability
 * 5) Naturalness
 * 6) Precision
 * 7) Conciseness
 * 8) Consistency
 * 9) No precision is lost in dropping the brackets. The proposed constituency name can be used as Wikitext without the need for adding piped links every time to fix the capitalization issues or disambiguation brackets. (example Bidhuna (Assembly constituency) will become Bidhuna Assembly constituency.
 * 10) Since this is English Wikipedia and 'Assembly' is a widely used and understood term, it is used as "the most appropriate word applicable to all states", even though some states have different local names for their Assembly. For example some states use names other than Vidhan Sabha like Vidhan Sauda, Niyamasabha etc. Example New Delhi (Vidhan Sabha constituency) will become New Delhi Assembly constituency.


 * Support - I'd have preferred brackets, but I agree about its superfluousness and especially about the piping issue. Hemantha (talk) 11:24, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. The piping issue due to disambiguation bracket is huge. there are close to 4120 Indian assembly constituencies and 545 Lok Sabha constituencies. Each of them gets linked on an average 100 times on Wikipedia. That is 5,00,000 unnecessary piped links. This is exponential damage and waste of efforts which can be saved by dropping the unnecessary bracket. I face this issue everyday while working on constituency and biography articles. Venkat TL (talk) 12:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support removal of the brackets as simply not necessary. I do not agree that "assembly" should be capitalized. My preference is to use lower case per the MOS unless something is clearly a proper noun/name. This search, (by ) shows sources use both, therefore with mixed capitalization in sources, we should use lower case. Note also that with brackets, e.g. Bidhuna (Assembly constituency), "assembly constituency" is a disambiguator and definitely should not be capitalized. Removing the brackets should not change anything, unless you think "Bidhuna Assembly" is a proper name, but as I said above, that is not clearly established in sources. MB 20:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support for assembly constituencies. I strongly support the use of the word "assembly" (capitalized or not). I'm ambivalent about the capitalization/s and about the use of brackets (since some editors (including me) will be piping constituency names in MLA article Infoboxes, in either case). I'm neutral on the need to rename the Lok Sabha constituencies, since I'm ambivalent about the brackets. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks @MPGuy2824 for your support. I just want to point that small 'a' will be wrong grammatically. Refer UN editorial manual. Or look at the examples below by Gabriel Bell, Quote:
 * In our case all these are constituencies of a particular state assembly like Tamil Nadu Assembly, and not any random assembly. That is the reason why BBC and Hindu who have professionals that care about correct grammar have used, "Assembly constituency". Google hits shared by MB just lists the results from people who have erred in capitalization without giving it much thought. We should disregard the results with incorrect capitalization. Venkat TL (talk) 12:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the confusion, but I meant "assembly" as opposed to "vidhan sabha/soudha" (clarified that above), but your argument to capitalize the word is good. You might want to tell some/all of the State Wikiprojects about this proposal. Especially states like Karnataka, where "Vidhana Sabha", or some other variant is currently being used. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. Notified WP India and 7-8 big states, including those you pointed. Venkat TL (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support the use of 'Assembly constituency' over 'Vidhan Sabha' (or other alternatives currently in use) and capitalisation of the word 'Assembly'. I would prefer the use of brackets for disambiguation purpose. Dhruv edits (talk) 21:06, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dhruv edits Indian districts are named as Place district even though they can be disambiguated as Place (district). The brackets are dropped in the proposal for the same reasons. WP:NATURAL disambiguation is preferred. Venkat TL (talk) 07:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support: any change that does away with unnecessary disambiguation. Per WP:NCDAB; Natural disambiguation that is unambiguous, commonly used, and clear is generally preferable to parenthetical disambiguation. This would mean that there shouldn't be a commonly used (maybe project specific or accepted) directive to use parenthetical disambiguation ---only when absolutely necessary. -- Otr500 (talk) 18:28, 9 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Commet I think use a more natural english title eg State legislative assembly than Vidhan Sabah will be better, as the reader gets a direct idea about what the topic is about. signed, 511KeV    (talk) 12:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * oppose the proposed suffix is a little ambiguous. Assembly of what? Similar to has suggested above, it should have "legislative assembly" or something like that - lowercase. Also, what if there are two legislative assemblies in the same state? The disambiguation convention in such scenario should also be decided. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:09, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Two legislative assemblies in the same state: I guess we should wait for such an unexpected event to occur and then discuss what to do. If you meant 2 legislative assembly constituencies of the same name, in the same state, then, that is already covered in the proposal (disambiguate using the district) -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * yes, I meant the two legislative assembly constituencies of the same name, in the same state. And yes, it has been covered in the proposal. Somehow it didn't catch my eye. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * addendum: the proposed title doesnt fall in line with Maharashtra Legislative Assembly or "YYYY Maharashtra Legislative Assembly election" (or any other states for that matter). Whatever happened to consistency. —usernamekiran (talk) 02:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Read WP:CONCISE to understand why. Reliable sources routinely use what you are alleging as ambiguous. I have given several examples of RS in this thread itself. Venkat TL (talk) 14:57, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There's a strong bar to be met for creating an explicit convention for these sorts of things that the article title policy; an convention, per that policy, should not be adopted unless it produces clear benefits outweighing the use of common names. No single editor above has laid out an argument for why the proposal is better than to simply use the common name of each constituency. Moreover, making article titles longer when doing so is not needed for disambiguation cuts against the WP:CRITERIA of conciseness. Also, people who do not live in the world of Indian politics (like me) are not going to look at a page and find "Assembly constituency" to be naturally disambiguating; New York's 63rd State Senate district is a title that describes both the group for which the district is used and the State in which the district is. Overall, I don't think that the proposed naming convention meets the bar in WP:AT to actually be put into effect, while it might make the current situation worse by making for unnecessary disambiguation in some cases and insufficient disambiguation in others. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 02:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Mhawk, The clear benefit, for adopting this policy is to homogenize the naming of constituencies throughout the country. previously different states had different and completely unrelated naming convention that was made by individual editors without any centralized discussion. The disambiguation were often not handled or handled by using capital 'C' vs small 'c' for constituencies or similar unsustainable work-arounds. The US naming system of electoral districts is totally different from Indian system. You may not be aware about the Indian system. The entire name is the common name of the constituency. In this proposal there is no unnecessary elongation of the name and no unnecessary addition of disambiguation. In fact the proposal above uses most concise names that is possible without conflicting with other names. Please give example if you disagree, because you did not give any evidence for your inaccurate assertions above. Venkat TL (talk) 08:04, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mhawk10, the article you've used as an example also illustrates why a convention is needed. Neither is it the common name (in fact the only hits appear to be WP and mirrors) nor is it the shortest possible (NY Senate district 63 per official site, a lot of hits for New York State Senate District 63). The categories appear to show consistent naming, but that's only because the same editor created all the articles. If this is the situation with US where the language is same, please review the section above for how this is complicated n-fold by the state-specific variations in India. If you look at some of the discussions linked, you can see how much editor time has been wasted in different talk pages about how to handle this issue. In addition to the benefits Venkat has outlined, a guideline page which clearly documents a convention will cut down unnecessary disputes.
 * On your "naturally disambiguating" point, I have to say that "New York's 63rd State Senate district" sounds as confusing to me as "Lok Sabha constituency" is to you. Some time ago, I didn't even know New York was a state, having only heard of it as a city. It is impossible to have the title be fully disambiguating to a reader completely new to Indian system, while at the same time requiring the title to be not unnecessarily long. Hemantha (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Additional explanation for choice of Chittorgarh Lok Sabha constituency over Chittorgarh (Lok Sabha constituency). These quotes below show how the constituency is commonly referred to in mainstream reliable sources.








 * Chittorgarh is the name of a geographical entity (a settlement). "Chittorgarh Lok Sabha constituency" is the name of the entity related to elections. The border of the geographical entity is never the same as the Lok Sabha constituency, though they may have some overlap. The bit "Lok Sabha constituency" is not just an attribute, it is an essential part of the name. When you just say "Place" for example Chittorgarh, it will be understood as the geographical entity (city), Never as constituency unless you mention it clearly. One has to mandatorily state the full name Chittorgarh Lok Sabha constituency if they are talking about the constituency. The examples from the reliable sources above show this. Wikipedia disambiguation guideline WP:NATURAL says According to the above-mentioned precision criterion, when a more detailed title is necessary to distinguish an article topic from another, use only as much additional detail as necessary... Natural disambiguation: Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title...Comma-separated disambiguation. With place names, if the disambiguating term is a higher-level administrative division, it is often separated using a comma instead of parentheses. The suffix "Lok Sabha constituency" or "Assembly constituency" serve as WP:NATURAL disambiguation from the city name, so they do not need to be inside brackets. The parenthesis also add an overhead of extra work to add the piped links whenever using the constituency name in prose. The piping issue due to disambiguation bracket is huge. there are close to 4120 Indian assembly constituencies and 545 Lok Sabha constituencies. Each of them gets linked on an average 100 times on Wikipedia. That is 5,00,000 unnecessary piped links. This is exponential damage and waste of efforts which can be saved by dropping the unnecessary bracket. I face this issue everyday while working on constituency and biography articles. Venkat TL (talk) 07:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Support the proposal. I had faced issues with the brackets when editing election articles. Since constituencies are not actual places, having brackets on them does not look natural.- SUN EYE 1  05:36, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment So far, consensus seems clearly in favour, under the rationale that the proposed scheme better fulfills our article title criteria than previous practices. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:49, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi. In total, there are 6 supports, and two oppose. Out of these 6, three editors do not mention capitalisation, 1 is neutral on capitalisation, 1 is against lowercase, and 1 is pro lowercase. This is not a clear consensus, currently it is a "no consensus" situation. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:24, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I see. That comment was intended to be an archive of my old closing statement; addressing all other concerns is welcome. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mellohi! The nomination by me, is counted as a support vote. There are 7 support votes not 6. Venkat TL (talk) 09:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This discussion was reopened following a discussion at the Village Pump to comply with WP:CONLEVEL and WP:AT. BilledMammal (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

LakshayYadav007 and party ideology related edits
LakshayYadav007 has made many edits related to party ideologies on Indian parties. Some of them I found questionable and reverted. Others I spared due to lack of my own knowledge. Please check if there are problems. Venkat TL (talk) 13:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Reliability of www.elections.in
Is elections.in reliable for election schedules and past election dates? This question had come up at Talk:2024 elections in India. Venkat TL (talk) 09:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Is the website elections.in good enough to cite the election results, say in constituency articles (eg. Kamalapur (Assembly constituency)) to start with? If there's a good alternate source, it's preferred, of course. — DaxServer (talk) 15:36, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This ECI page has most of the general and state elections covered. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:59, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you access the website? I can't :/ — DaxServer (talk) 05:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can. I'm in India (and aren't using a VPN, if that matters) -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks like the connections are blocked from outside the country. The files in the archive are not downloadable either. Do you know other alternatives to the ECI official website? — DaxServer (talk) 07:41, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You should be able to get to this archived page but the ECI site generates the download url on-the-fly, so downloading of files won't work. Some state CEO sites have the election results of (at least) the latest few elections, but i can't find any on the AP-CEO site. I can't think of any other official site. Any one else have some ideas? -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This list of pdfs seen by google on Telangana CEO site seems to roughly include all those listed under AP at that ECI link. hemantha (brief) 08:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That's what I am looking for. Thanks hemantha!
 * What are your opinions on adding these pdfs as references, starting with constituency articles? If there's a secondary source, I'd use that, as usual. — DaxServer (talk) 09:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as i can see, they are the same as the ECI pdfs. I don't see a problem with using them as a primary source. If you find a good website for secondary sources for elections, please inform the rest of us as well. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Sharing an example of discrepancy on this site: is showing 1996 and 2002 for BJP but this source cannot be trusted because 2017 was won by BJP but this site is showing it for SP. Venkat TL (talk) 07:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, , , Guys I have added ideologies in the following list of Indian political parties from source https://www.elections.in/ Eg. Telangana Rashtra Samithi, Telugu Desam Party, Nationalist Congress Party, Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, Biju Janata Dal. In my view this source elections.in doesn't qualify as a reliable sources category. Nonetheless since we lack credible source therefore I've added this source for ideologies and political position. You guys too agreed to use this source for ideologies of political parties. But in my view this can't be considered as reliable source at all. Thanks--Mariam57 (talk) 03:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mariam57 Ideology section is a major edit that should not be added with such shoddy sources like elections.in. Please use WP:HISTRS for ideology. If none is available, it is better to leave the ideology field empty than adding content from poor sources. I would suggest you to self revert all those edits where you added ideology using elections.in. Venkat TL (talk) 16:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I got it. Hi and  Guys do not add elections.in website for ideology and political positions. Whatever ideology and political position I added from elections.in I remove them one by one. In the mean time feel free to comment here. You've to provide more strong source for ideology. It must be considered as reliable sources. Thanks--Mariam57 (talk) 16:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok! It would have been good if you continued after a better Consensus. All right, Continue. Sneha04   💬 17:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I have come to a conclusion that election.in is not only unreliable, it has been inappropriately spammed across Wikipedia election related pages (seemingly to promote that site). I have started removing links of elections.in and adding the more reliable Election Commission site, as shown in this Special:Diff/1101321736 edit. I suggest others to do the same whenever they come accross links of elections.in on Wiki articles. Venkat TL (talk) 12:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Madhya Pradesh Legislative Assembly and Rajasthan Legislative Assembly constituencies
Need corrected maps सत्यान्वेषी (talk) 18:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Which map is outdated? I think i added the locator maps for the MP constituencies less than 2 years back, and there hasn't been a new delimitation since then. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824, @सत्यान्वेषी had given more details on my talk page, that I copied to Talk:List of constituencies of the Rajasthan Legislative Assembly. It is not clear what the mistake in numbering is. Venkat TL (talk) 04:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Venkat. I've replied there. Now, what about the MP map. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@MPGuy2824 The Madhya Pradesh Legislative Assembly constituency map fails to show the constituencies of the urban parts of Indore district even in its enlarged view. सत्यान्वेषी (talk) 05:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Most of the MP constituency maps are versions of File:Wahlkreise zur Vidhan Sabha von Madhya Pradesh.svg which is from an official government site. That said, the Indore constituencies are just shown as a segmented circle, and it would be good to show the true borders. The Assembly constituencies of Indore are divided based on wards of the Indore Municipal corporation. In my previous searches I wasn't able to find an official. current map that shows the wards of Indore. If you are able to find such a map, I should be able to update the base map for MP. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

2017 Election results on Constituency articles of Guj and HP
Since 2022 Gujarat and HP elections are upcoming, readers would be referring to the Guj and HP constituency pages. Although some of them are updated, many of them need updates from the ECI PDF of 2017 results. Fields in Template:Election Results table for Votes, registereed electors, turnout% etc, need to be added update. Please help to update the result information. Venkat TL (talk) 11:55, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Creating Teacher and Graduate constituencies of Legislative Council
I need help and comment on creating the article of Teacher and Graduate constituencies on legislative councils in India. E.g - Patna (graduate constituency), Patna (teachers constituency). Help me in this. —— Poli Hunt (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Poli, start a draft and link to it from here. Hopefully you found some good sources. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

MPGuy2824, Thank You, Will start soon —— Poli Hunt (talk) 04:38, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Are Parties notable which are Launched by Sitting MLA's?
Are those Parties notable which are Launched by Sitting MLA's? One of them is Awami Ittehad Party launched by Abdul Rashid Sheikh known as Engineer Rashid when he was elected from Langate Assembly constituency Independently. After being elected he launched his party. Will his party be Notable? ——— Poliiii   (talk)  09:34, 31 August 2022 (UTC)


 * @Poli Hunt, merge and redirect the party to section in the founder's bio. If there is enough content to have a standalone article WP:SPINOFF can be followed. Most of the time these parties are short lived, it makes sense to have this information only on the founder's bio. Venkat TL (talk) 09:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Poli Hunt I’ve reverted this sock. Doug Weller  talk 12:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Where to add this information by an ex RSS worker on bombings?
An Ex RSS worker filed affidavit claiming VHP, RSS set off bombs https://thewire.in/communalism/rss-worker-affidavit-right-wing-leaders-involved-maharashtra-blasts. The allegations are big, so I would like to ask your opinion on which pages it can be added to? Ravi Dwivedi (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Libreravi if there are articles about those individual events, then it can be added to those articles. I dont know if there are articles about those events or not. Venkat TL (talk) 17:19, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Updating registered electors in constituency articles
@MPGuy2824 thank you for updating the registered elector numbers in the infobox. For Gujarat constituencies, I think it is important to add the number of registered electors in the election result box, as shown here Special:Diff/1108616363. While updating the new number in the infobox for registered electors in 2022, it is important to copy the 2017 data to the 2017 section or else the 2017 electors data will be overwritten with 2022 data and lost in the page history. Venkat TL (talk) 11:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you pointed this out to me some time back. I've done the copying to the old election results, after that. If anybody else is also doing this updation, please take note of Venkat's instructions. Venkat, please continue with adding the empty electors template to the election results section. It is helpful during this process. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:30, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Feature List is about to be demoted
An admin has posted here. Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics. Unless something is done to rectify, this FL will loose the FL status. Venkat TL (talk) 13:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Operation Kamala
needs updates. lot of operation have happened. Please see if you can add. --Venkat TL (talk) 10:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @Venkat TL Yes, I will add latest developments. Thanks for the mention. (Ravi Dwivedi (talk) 12:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC))
 * @Venkat TL I have added here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kamala#Maharashtra and plan to add more in recent future. By the way, before the fall of maharashtra government, the central government harrased many by the use of investigative agencies, a part of operation lotus. If you find a reference which relates the use of investigative agencies with the coup, please let me know or add there directly. (Ravi Dwivedi (talk) 21:30, 4 September 2022 (UTC))
 * @Libreravi thank you. Since considerable time has passed since these events have happened, I think they would now be available in the form or books and journals that are more reliable WP:HISTRS. Whenever possible those better sources should be preferred. Venkat TL (talk) 11:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Sure, I will help you to update it soon, I'm updating Bharat Jodo Yatra right now, I will add a lot of content on this soon. Ok123l (talk) 14:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Venkat TL (talk) 14:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Central Vista Redevelopment Project
@Venkat TLSomeone removed my edit on a wikipedia page. Please see if you can review. (Ravi Dwivedi (talk) 11:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC))
 * Ravi Dwivedi replied on Talk:Central Vista Redevelopment Project --Venkat TL (talk) 14:49, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency, GJ constituency electors - Update after 2021?
Regarding diffs like and others like it: Ideally, we wait for the elections to end, and the ECI results to come in pdf form (3 months or so after the election). Isn't update-after-2022 better in that case? That would ensure that we don't have to update twice for each election. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:12, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * @MPGuy2824 I had a deep thought on this. currently the 2022 ECI voter list data is already available. Since we are showing 2017 data as current data, the update tag is needed. Whether we update the infobox now or after the election is dependent on volunteers. The readers should be made aware that the data in infobox is outdated. Perhaps some of the readers might go ahead and update the voter data seeing the tag. I believe this will certainly be updated after 2022 results, if not before the 2022 election. Venkat TL (talk) 12:18, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Kinda makes sense. The only problem is that it will clutter up the bambots reports till the elections end. BTW, i had changed a few 2021's to 2022 among the GJ constituencies. You might want to check on those and revert those edits. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824 yes, I guess we will have to live with the tags till it gets updated. That is what the tags are for. I just ran the automated tool on the full constituency list, could not find anyone with "update|2022" can you point one? Venkat TL (talk) 12:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I checked through my contribs. None of them are current, so i guess you updated all, after my edits. Cool.-MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824 I just updated Special:Diff/1105076548/1110086281 the list of constituency with the latest voter data. Infobox can be updated with this info and the reference. Venkat TL (talk) 13:57, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Infobox for legislative term
Hi. Don't transclude the infobox of legislative assembly articles into legislative terms (like you did for Rajasthan Legislative Assembly and 15th Rajasthan Assembly). Different infobox are to be added to these pages. Template:Infobox legislature is used for legislative assembly pages (Rajasthan Legislative Assembly) and Template:Infobox legislative term should be used for 15th Rajasthan Assembly. See 14th Maharashtra Assembly for example. Dhruv edits (talk) 18:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Both of these infobox are largely identical. Using one and then transcluding the same to the other page, makes sure that both show same updated information. If we use 2 different infobox, then only one of them gets updated and both end up showing different info. Do you have any solution to this problem? In my opinion this is a larger problem that need to be solved than the one caused by using a slightly different infobox template.Venkat TL (talk) 10:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dhruv edits Please take a look at the current verson of Delhi Assembly and 7th delhi assembly you have updated the former and forgot to update the latter. Now the 7th Delhi Assembly infobox is showing wrong info. There is no vacant seat in assembly as of now as the image of assembly in infobox is depicting. Venkat TL (talk) 12:37, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

India Today is not reliable for politics
See their brazen propaganda on Navy flag. Venkat TL (talk) 18:42, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Category Members of the Legislative Assembly
Hi @MPGuy2824, on MLA articles link Special:Diff/1111303853/1111312538 is it necessary to add Category:Members of the Rajasthan Legislative Assembly if the MLA term category is already there? I think only the term category is needed. What is the current practice? Venkat TL (talk) 10:15, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Most of the time, if an article is in a sub-category (or sub-sub category), it doesn't need to go in the parent category. In this case more so, since the parent category is a container (see the message right on top), and ideally should not have any articles in it. Usually, the "Members of the X Legislative Assembly" category is added by the article creator, or a wikignome, who didn't know that there was a more appropriate sub-category. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thank you for explaining. --Venkat TL (talk) 10:27, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Samata Party § Party History and leadership debate
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Samata Party § Party History and leadership debate. Venkat TL (talk) 16:34, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Linking list of MLAs and constituency to geo articles
On 3 September I linked list of MLAs and constituency on district articles. Good to see that the viewer count tripled after that This shows that readers are not aware of the existence of constituency articles. We should prioritize adding a Politics section on all the geo articles. The section should contain a link to MLA, MP and constituency articles (in prose or table form) Venkat TL (talk) 10:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * So far this linking of Assembly constituency with districts is Done for districts in
 * Tamil Nadu
 * Himachal Pradesh
 * Gujarat
 * Goa
 * Bihar
 * Jharkhand
 * Venkat TL (talk) 11:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency, LS constituency template
This is unrelated, but have you looked at this? There is a similar page for the LS constituency template as well. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @MPGuy2824 I am seeing this for the first time. What does it show? empty template fields or missing template fields? Venkat TL (talk) 12:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Missing fields, wrong fields (paarty instead of party, e.g.). The report only updates monthly, sadly. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 12:54, 13 September 2022 (UTC)


 * User:MPGuy2824, is it a problem if there are empty fields in infobox? I Add empty fields for others to fill up in infobox. If there are empty fields even new users can add and update. If no empty field is there, then probably they cannot help, unless experienced user comes and adds. It is a big headache if I want to add some value in the infobox, but I find there is no empty field to fill up. I have to open Infobox template page, and then copy paste the entire infobox everytime. I suggest not removing the empty fields and comments while adding infobox constituency in articles. Venkat TL (talk) 18:58, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Opinion polls
Has a consensus been achieved regarding opinion polls? A user has started adding them for Gujarat. Dhruv edits (talk) 09:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I discussed this with Dhruv edits and MPGuy2824. A line containing survey by reliable source with mandatory error % and sample size was added to Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian politics/Election: Article structure. C Voter has not released their sample size or error % so they should not be added. Venkat TL (talk) 12:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Update drive for Gujarat and Himachal Pradesh constituencies
I suggest all the members of the Wikiproject India politics, give more priority to improving and updating the articles for Gujarat and Himachal Pradesh constituencies as they are up for elections. Use MOS:INDCONST as guide. Major issues to be fixed are. Venkat TL (talk) 16:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC) ==Discussion at Talk:2022 Himachal Pradesh Legislative Assembly election § RfC for adding party switch by non notable politicians into the Background section== You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:2022 Himachal Pradesh Legislative Assembly election § RfC for adding party switch by non notable politicians into the Background section. Venkat TL (talk) 14:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Missing election results in constituencies for 2017, 2012
 * Missing infobox fields.
 * Constituency Not inter-linked with the city or town article. There should be links on both articles to each other.

Category:Members of the Andhra Pradesh Legislature, 1983–1985 has been nominated for discussion
Category:Members of the Andhra Pradesh Legislature, 1983–1985 has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Parliament diagram
Hello. I noticed the indian election pages, on the national as well as on the state level, are the only ones to make election diagrams in which the colored dots for parties seats are circled in black, like. All the others elections pages of every others countries simply have the colors, without the black circles, like, so I don't see how it's needed. Meanwhile, the black circles add a lot of contrast which make the colors look way darker than they are, and it make it a bit hard to look at overall. I'm not saying all the old files should be replaced, it would cause a lot of work, but I suggest the use of black circles be phased out as elections go by. What do you think? Aréat (talk) 23:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Either seem fine to me. I'll note that the default setting of the tool is to have 0 width of the border. Most folks will use the default (except if a party's color is close to white). Maybe you can talk with the people who use a border for each color and come to a consensus. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Aréat The use of black border is necessary because in Indian elections, there are a lot of independent MLAs/ MPs/ councillors, represented by light grey color, which will be barely visible in white background without a border. Same is the case with seats that get vacant, white color is completely invisible without a border. Also, as noted by MPGuy2824, 0 width border is default, which is why many don't care to add a border. In order to have a consistent approach, black borders are added to most of the election diagrams. Dhruv edits (talk) 02:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Independents candidates getting seats is very common in many countries in which we still use grey without problems, shades such as #DCDCDC are visible enough on a white background, cf for example here in Gambia last election. I can see the need for vacant white seats, although imo having them invisible portray well the fact they're vacants. But if it's really needed, maybe we can agree on the use of black borders for the vacants seats only? I know it's the defaut way the page work, but it doesn't mean the diagrams made without it were done so because the user didn't bother. Rather, they obviously didn't feel a need for it. The question really is : if it's not used for the election pages of the 190+ others countries plus their states and regional ones, is it really needed in the first place on indian ones? I don't see what it add. Meanwhile, it has the clear shortcoming of making the party colors look darker than they are, when the purpose of the diagrams in the first place is to show their seats in a way that they're identifiable by their colors.--Aréat (talk) 12:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This system is seen again recently on the Malaysian election. I think it could be extended to Indian election as well, per the arguments above. What do you think?--Aréat (talk) 05:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Category:Members of the Andhra Pradesh Legislature, 1983–1985 has been nominated for discussion
Category:Members of the Andhra Pradesh Legislature, 1983–1985 has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Parliament diagram
Hello. I noticed the indian election pages, on the national as well as on the state level, are the only ones to make election diagrams in which the colored dots for parties seats are circled in black, like. All the others elections pages of every others countries simply have the colors, without the black circles, like, so I don't see how it's needed. Meanwhile, the black circles add a lot of contrast which make the colors look way darker than they are, and it make it a bit hard to look at overall. I'm not saying all the old files should be replaced, it would cause a lot of work, but I suggest the use of black circles be phased out as elections go by. What do you think? Aréat (talk) 23:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Either seem fine to me. I'll note that the default setting of the tool is to have 0 width of the border. Most folks will use the default (except if a party's color is close to white). Maybe you can talk with the people who use a border for each color and come to a consensus. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Aréat The use of black border is necessary because in Indian elections, there are a lot of independent MLAs/ MPs/ councillors, represented by light grey color, which will be barely visible in white background without a border. Same is the case with seats that get vacant, white color is completely invisible without a border. Also, as noted by MPGuy2824, 0 width border is default, which is why many don't care to add a border. In order to have a consistent approach, black borders are added to most of the election diagrams. Dhruv edits (talk) 02:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Independents candidates getting seats is very common in many countries in which we still use grey without problems, shades such as #DCDCDC are visible enough on a white background, cf for example here in Gambia last election. I can see the need for vacant white seats, although imo having them invisible portray well the fact they're vacants. But if it's really needed, maybe we can agree on the use of black borders for the vacants seats only? I know it's the defaut way the page work, but it doesn't mean the diagrams made without it were done so because the user didn't bother. Rather, they obviously didn't feel a need for it. The question really is : if it's not used for the election pages of the 190+ others countries plus their states and regional ones, is it really needed in the first place on indian ones? I don't see what it add. Meanwhile, it has the clear shortcoming of making the party colors look darker than they are, when the purpose of the diagrams in the first place is to show their seats in a way that they're identifiable by their colors.--Aréat (talk) 12:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This system is seen again recently on the Malaysian election. I think it could be extended to Indian election as well, per the arguments above. What do you think?--Aréat (talk) 05:16, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Endless edit warring over election infobox party leader images
Not sure about anyone else, but I am extremely bored of seeing endless (and often poorly formatted) changes to the party leader images in general election article infoboxes. I would like to propose that we switch to using Infobox legislative election for the general election articles – this infobox is generally used in countries where more than nine parties win seats in general elections (which is the case in India). As an example, this is what it would look like on the 2019 election article. It removes the need for the images of the party leaders (personally I don't think images should be used except when it is an election of an individual like presidential elections). Thoughts? Cheers, Number   5  7  12:50, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Seems interesting Infobox. Altho it seems a bit of work to put all the parties data but doable if given enough time. Seems widely used, in 1137 articles as of now. Don't know how other country articles are affected (effected?) w.r.t. images but we have a ton of editors [politically] motivated to show the best of our dear political leaders. If removing them altogether would stop the disruption, then I'd say we go that way — DaxServer (t · m · c) 13:21, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I have election articles from the vast majority of countries on my watchlist. India stands out as one that has constant changes of images – none of the others seem to have such an issue. Number   5  7  18:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Discussion
, as soon as the block against Sharad expired, he started editing the Rajya Sabha election pages without discussing. He has changed the template to all the rajya sabha election wikipages. I think we should discuss about him here, otherwise he will get notified. Ku423winz1 (talk) 12:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * All editors are requested to put their valuable opinion in Articles for deletion/Alliances formed by left-wing parties in the states of India. XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ku423winz1,Why you have opened discussion topic here, on the talk page of controversal 1964 Calcutta riots,I'm moving this topic to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian politics? Chennai Super Kings Lover (talk) discuss it here. Ku423winz1 (talk) 12:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @Ku423winz1 @User:Chennai Super Kings Lover @ User:Shakya2007 User Sharad SHRD7 is again started disruptions and he is trying to delete an article written by me : Alliances formed by left-wing parties in the states of India. Wikipedia reviewer User:Onel5969 previously said me to add more citations to the page and I added that and then he said nothing against that page. Please say your opinion in that page. The page is being used in many other pages. XYZ 250706 (talk) 12:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I mean in the talk page of that article. XYZ 250706 (talk) 12:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

He needs to be banned. Shakya2007 (talk) 12:41, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

If u see any vandalism kindly report here, Don't make personal comments on editors. Chennai Super Kings Lover (talk) SharadSHRD7 (talk), Kindly join the discussion! Chennai Super Kings Lover (talk) Chennai Super Kings Lover (talk) 13:21, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Regarding to Rajya Sabha elections : Template:Infobox legislative election shows the election results in clear format with +/- column to indicate net gain/loss of seats. The list won't contain infinite parties because every year, elections happen only for less than 100 seats. I agree to switch the template to image-based template only if the list cross 25+ parties.
 * Regarding to Alliances formed by left-wing parties in the states of India : I've nominated the article for deletion because it's based on original research.
 * Note : I've stopped editing articles of UPA and other parties in UPA, because now I agree DMK and other regional parties which are in alliance with Congress are part of UPA. But in my opinion, it's unnecessary to add alliances in the Infobox of Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha. That's why I started Rfc a week before in the talk page of Lok Sabha, in which discussion is ongoing. So I request all editors to wait until the closure of Rfc discussion. SharadSHRD7 (talk) 14:41, 22 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree to your opinion about rajya sabha election results, beside that, the rajya sabha election does not take place for all the seats in a single year, hence I think using Template:Infobox multi party election will be better for it and therefore I also thanked you (and the net tally of all parties in all 245 seats will be in the article). But you should have waited until the conclusion is out. Especially when you are saying the same thing to others, you must also follow your own words, while you are completely changing a sensitive thing like infobox. And infobox election also has a parameter to show net change. Ku423winz1 (talk) 16:07, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedis reviewer User:Onel5969 has already reviewed the page and then I added many citations and informed him and then he did not raise objection against it. This article contains information derived from many reliable sources and wikipedia pages, no speculations by me XYZ 250706 (talk) 16:09, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for spelling mistake. It should be Wikipedia reviewer. XYZ 250706 (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

SharadSHRD7 please stop your disruptive editing. You are reverting my edits without proper explanation. For example your are removing the addition of Left Front in various pages like Next Bihar Legislative Assembly election, 2019 Indian general election, 2022 Himachal Pradesh Legislative Assembly election etc. In 2019 Indian general election, left front of communist leaning parties were added as national level alliances (it was added not by me, it was added by other editors), I only added the redirect of it to Alliances formed by left-wing parties in the states of India. XYZ 250706 (talk) 05:50, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

@User:SharadSHRD7 If you like to experiment with your edits, you can use your sandbox. XYZ 250706 (talk) 05:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Besides, you added BRS+ in 2023 Telangana Legislative Assembly election, I added BRS + Left like 2019 Haryana Legislative Assembly election where INLD-SAD alliance was added although SAD has 0 MLAs at the time of election. You removed BRS + Left Front alliance in Bharat Rashtra Samithi. That was added by other editors like User:Rodw, User:Chennai Super Kings Lover, User Talk:Jay942942. You are reverting other editor's edits on your attempt to revert my edit. XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:04, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Besides in Next Indian general election pages in different states, name of national alliances are being added without adding regional alliances. So Left Democratic Front was added according to    . According to @Chennai Super Kings Lover, these citations are reliable. User SharadSHRD7 is reverting that also. XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Besides D Raja also said that it is the Left alone that can ideologically challenge and defeat the RSS providing an alternative.(https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2022/04/06/cpi-cpim-call-for-left-unity-to-fight-against-rss-bjp.html) XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:57, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Besides, you have deleted parties and alliances in Next Indian general election in Uttar Pradesh. XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

JKNC
@Chennai Super Kings Lover @Shakya2007 and other editors who have recently edited the article United Progressive Alliance, Jammu & Kashmir National Conference is added to UPA members. But JKNC is not allied with congress or other UPA members in the only state (UT) where it has presence (i.e., Jammu and Kashmir). So I think we cannot call it as UPA member. The source given there only says that Farooq Abdullah of JKNC was among the opposition leaders who took part in discussion to strengthen UPA. XYZ 250706 (talk) 08:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


 * @Chennai Super Kings Lover In 2019 Indian general election in Jammu and Kashmir, JKNC contested in 3 seats and in 2 seats they had direct contest with INC. XYZ 250706 (talk) 03:35, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@XYZ 250706, Refer to the source:, Since 2009 JKNC is part of UPA, there was speculation, that JKNC will leave UPA but JKNC denied since then they have not left UPA, but JKNC is also part of GUPKAR Alliance in Jammu and Kashmir for Next Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Assembly election, but in National Level, they are part of UPA. .If you find any source that states JKNC not part of UPA, Kindly bring to the discussion! Chennai Super Kings Lover</b> (talk)