Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America/Archive 6

American Robin
I was seeking to embellish the culture section and got one ref of the Tlingit on this bird. Any further native american folklore about the American Robin to insert in the article would be much appreciated. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Numbered Treaties
With a stupid amount of effort, I rigged Template:Numbertreaty so it can be piped with |treaty=# making it display the signatory nations for that treaty number. I've added it to a few article since then, but feel free to help. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 00:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Navajo rug WP:GAC and WP:FPC
Hello again from the textile arts project. We've submitted Navajo rug as a good article candidate and have a concurrent featured picture nomination at Featured picture candidates/Navajo family, 1873. The image is a new upload I found in the Library of Congress archives and spent several days restoring. You might find it useful for other articles about Navajo culture. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 20:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Pan Indian Movement
I know I talk about this at work often, but looking through Wikipedia, I was amazed to find there wasn't an article about it, and only a few articles making references about it, and even a Pan Indian Movement to describe a movement across India. Would someone start an article on this with a disambiguation on which Pan Indian Movement we're talking about. Thanks. CJLippert (talk) 00:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Kechewaishke WP:GAC
I nominated Kechewaishke, (aka Chief Buffalo) d.1855 La Pointe Ojibwa for Good Article. Thanks to some helpful prodding by User:Herbwag, he, User:CJLippert, and I have expanded it from a start over the past couple weeks. I don't think the article gets much traffic, so I hope some of you will give some input and/or a review. Thanks, Leo1410 (talk) 05:12, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Population history of American indigenous peoples GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I have reviewed Population history of American indigenous peoples and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article along with other WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Cherokee Nation of Mexico
Could someone add an article about the Cherokee Nation of Mexico? Their population center seems to be Nuevo Casas Grandes in Chihuahua, Mexico. See Cavalcade for some links. --Una Smith (talk) 15:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Any thoughts?
A First Nations issue was raised over at the Canadian Style Guide, and input has not been forthcoming. Any thoughts? Discussion is here. Skeezix1000 (talk) 11:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

band -- definition
Would someone care to start an article for band, in the sense of the unit of government for First Nations in Canada? Band is a dab page but doesn't help. Status Indian, Indian Act, First Nations mention the term, but surely it deserves its own page? I don't have reference material and so can't start the page myself. On the other hand, if a Band (definition of which type) sort of article exists, please could it be linked from other articles and put in relevant categories? It is hopeless to search simply for the word "band" because every musical group has Musical group (band) as their title. Thanks BrainyBabe (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Under the dab, there is a link to stub article called Band society, as well as to an article called First Nations Government (Canada), though no such Band article exists for the tribal government political units in United States, also called "Band". Maybe, the best way to go about this is to better word the dab point Band society and under it have sublisting of the governmental units of Canada and the United States, as both are rooted in the concept of Band society. CJLippert (talk) 17:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I should have listed those two articles too. The first is anthropological and the second talks around band without defining it. Does "band" have a legal definition? Can Inuit and Metis also have bands or is its use restricted to First Nations? What about in the US? Is a band council the same as a band? Etc. A new article would be very welcome, and then (in response to your constructive suggestions) it could be linked to and pointed at as you suggest. BrainyBabe (talk) 18:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Metis (or as old US treaty calls them "halfblood") did have "band" communities but since the time of Canadian confeneration and the US's Dawes Act, the Metis generally no longer came together as a distinct band, but rather as just part of a larger community that may or may not organize themselves as "band". I have heard of the Inuit, Yupik, Inuvialuit and Inupiat organized into "band" but this may just be the basic anthropological definition and not necessarily a government organizational structure. CJLippert (talk) 22:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

New page: Transformation of culture
I created a new page entitled Transformation of culture. It is basically a compilation of work done by a Professor at the University of Arizona College of Law. I created it because when I went to the Globalization page, there was really no place to write about the effects that globalization has had on cultures, particularly indigenous cultures.

Because I am relatively new to this forum, please advise on how I can improve this page and remove the annoying flags that keep appearing. Also, if you go to indigenous peoples you can see that there really isn't a lot of Native voice going into Wikipedia (evidenced by the scant two sentences given to "Indigenous Viewpoints" and the tirade given to "Non-indigenous viewpoints", including a reiteration of the ridiculous theory that non-indigenous were in North America before the Natives arrived.

Feel free to comment on anything that I've written, or to contribute to the indigenous peoples and Transformation of culture pages. Thanks! Blueelectricstorm (talk) 01:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Paisley Caves
A recent news item says that evidence for the earliest humans in North America was found in Paisley Caves, Oregon. Not sure if this wikiproject would be interested, but the article was recently born and could use whatever perspectives apply. —EncMstr 07:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Haida Gwaii/Queen Charlotte Islands unilateral merge by SPA

 * Haida Gwaii/Queen Charlottes have been merged to Haida Gwaii by SPA-type user [|IanKeir]. Please see full comments on WP:Canada Discussion BoardSkookum1 (talk) 04:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

My Work
Hello WP:IPNA Editors! I just wanted to send a update to anyones who interested. I've been working extensively on Sḵwxwú7mesh and Kwakwaka'wakw and related articles. These are things like Potlatch and British Columbia Treaty Process. I will eventually expand to do more work on other neighboring peoples, but it's hard for one person to do all the work, as I'm sure most of you know. Most of what I'm planning to do can be found here. I'm looking for copy editors, reviews, suggestions, and over collaborations on the things I've been working on. If your interested or want to discuss anyting, send me a message.

Skwxwu7mesh has been my main focus as of late. I'm not sure, but it might be one of the most extensive articles written in Canada, although I'd happily be corrected on that because I'm always looking for inspiration to add things. It needs some editing and suggestion for overall structure and writing style, but I've done the best I can do. As noted here, I plan to break it all into a series, as seen on the right sided navbox. There is enough out there for it in terms of sources, but just getting around to writing it is my things. I've shifted now to taking a break and coming back when I can devote more energy to it over all and find others out in the real world to help out. Anyways, have a look anyone. OldManRivers (talk) 08:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Indigenous people of the Everglades region
I posted this article to the mainspace a couple days ago, It's one of a few I'm creating in order to expand the insufficient article on Everglades. I have it up at Peer Review and I've nominated it for GA. I tagged it with this project as well as WP:FLORIDA, but I only assessed on behalf of the WP:FL as Start class. If anyone has any input, I'd be glad to read it. Please take a look at it and comment on the article talk page. Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 01:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
If there's a better place to post this, I didn't find it. I thought members of this project might want to comment in Articles for deletion/Gallery of Native Americans with facial hair. Aleta  Sing 22:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia might have a short gallery section in the article, but it is not the place for an article that is nothing but a gallery. My suggestion would be to delete the article from Wikipedia, but create this as a category in Commons, then at the main page of the WP:IPNA, create a link to the Common's category page, as it is an interesting grouping of photographs worth noting. CJLippert (talk) 01:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Cookware and bakeware
I added a couple of phrases on cooking baskets. But I don't really know anything. It reads very Zuni-centric now. Could someone who knows more maybe put in more relevant info. A section on current use might also be useful. Thanks in advance for your help. 71.236.23.111 (talk) 00:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Inuit has some disputes
We've been having some disagreements over this article. I haven't really been that involved in it, but I responded to a request for comments on the WP:NOR discussion. I'm just dropping this request for comment since the minority opinion editor has some good points but is being a little irrational and a cooler head or two would be helpful.Somedumbyankee (talk) 23:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Request review
I would like someone to review Ottawa University for me--I've been working on the article about this university that was started on a donation of 20,000 acres from the Ottawa tribe. I've also found some criticism of the school. I'd like to have your project review the page for accuracy and other issues related to your project.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

N u m u tekwap u (Comanche language)
Hello all. I asked about this at the reference desk, and they pointed me here. I would like to know a good website, book, etc. to learn the Comanche language. I would prefer a free website or something like that where I can actually hear it spoken, but any source will work. Thank you, Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 01:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Check out this website: Comanche Language and Cultural Preservation Committee (Taivo (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC))

Skungwai/SG_ang Gwaay Llnaagay/Ninstints
Skungwai/SG_ang Gwaay Llnaagay/Ninstints - choice of name re article creation; please see THIS from Gwaii Haanas National Park Reserve and Haida Heritage Site, which needs the village split off. Formatting and orthography choices for indigenous articles in general need dicscussion/consistency somewhere/somehow.Skookum1 (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Alledged: Choctaw Chief, Capt. Peter Juzan, of Miss. and Okla.?
Does anyone have more, or better information, on the following alledged: Chief, Capt. Peter Juzan (Pierre Gabriel de Juzan), inn keeper of Juzan Lake, Miss.; who alledgedly led 52 Choctaws from the swamp against the British right flank in the Battle of New Orleans? He may have died Hugo, Okla.? James A. Miller Jr. (talk) 00:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)focusoninfinity

Lakota language Wikipedia
Hello people of WikiProject Indigenous people of North America. I am thinking about starting a Wikipedia in the Lakota language. However, I need people who would be willing to contribute and know the language. If you know the language and would be willing to contribute to the project, please reply | here. Thank you, Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 01:20, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Inuit groups
I'm looking for some suggestions for a category name to include the various Inuit/Eskimo groups. It would encompass people like Kalaallit, Sireniki Eskimos, Yupik, Ihalmiut and Dorset culture. The best I could think of was Category:Inuit and Eskimo groups although Category:Inuit and Eskimo bands might work. Can anyone think of something better? CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 03:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe/Templates. A similar structure might be helpful, or maybe you might suggest a slightly different structure for the WP:IPNA's daughter project, WP:IPNA/Nish. CJLippert (talk) 04:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. An adaptation of that may work well. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 15:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ohlone GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria and I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I have reviewed Ohlone and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have left this message at this WikiProject's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a few issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. I have left messages on the talk pages of the main contributors of the article and other related WikiProjects. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix if multiple editors assist in the workload. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 05:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Nuk-luk
I just came across this article which was uncategorised. I added some, but there may be better ones that it could fit into. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 09:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Redirects
I started fixing some redirects (Native Americans to Native Americans (a disambig page) was obvious), but then noticed that a ton of redirects were sent to Indigenous peoples of the Americas that could conceivably go to Native Americans (disambiguation). Is there a particular reason the redirects are the way they are, or would it be OK to change some of them to Native Americans (disambiguation)? NJGW (talk) 16:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you would need to be more specific about which links. A lot of pages on this subject have been set up and moved or redirected or merged. One problem is that while Native American may mean any Indigenous person of the Americas to some American English speakers it means something else to others or speakers of other dialects. Rmhermen (talk) 17:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Below are the redirects that point to Indigenous peoples of the Americas. To me the vast majority of people that type in the majority of these phrases are looking for Native Americans, some desperately need to be directed to Native American name controversy, and some are obviously looking for Indigenous peoples of the Americas. I just want to make sure there is no compelling reason that has already reached consensus that these should all point to Indigenous peoples of the Americas: -NJGW (talk) 17:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Aboriginal Americans
 * Red Indians
 * Indyans
 * Amerindians
 * North American Indians
 * Native America
 * Native North American
 * Aboriginal American
 * American native
 * Native American Indian
 * Red Indian
 * Americian Indian
 * Native-American
 * Indigenous Peoples of America
 * Red indian
 * North American Indian
 * Nativeamericans
 * Nativeamerican
 * Indigenous people of the Americas
 * Indigenous peoples of the americas
 * North America's Indians
 * Indigenous peoples of North America
 * Native Americans (Americas)
 * Native American (Americas)
 * Indigenous peoples (Americas)
 * Indigenous people (Americas)
 * Indigenous Peoples of the Americas
 * Central American Indians
 * Indigenous peoples in the Americas
 * Indigenous Americans
 * Indigenous American
 * Indigenous peoples of America
 * Indigenous peoples of the New World
 * Native peoples of the Americas
 * Native americain
 * North American Natives
 * AmerInd
 * Native American peoples
 * Indigenous people of North America
 * Red race
 * Indigenous peoples of north america
 * Early peoples of the Americas
 * Native American Indians
 * Indigenous people of America
 * Onkwehonwe
 * Most of these pages are intentionally directed to Indigenous peoples of the Americas, please do not change them. Rmhermen (talk) 16:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What about all the ones that use the words "Native American" in the title... shouldn't they be pointed to Native Americans (since it's the main disambig link and includes 'Indig. peoples...'? NJGW (talk) 16:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd support redirecting the following to the Native American disambig page, particularly if it was followed by visiting the referring articles and disambiguating the original links when possible.
 * Native America
 * American native
 * Native American Indian
 * Native-American
 * Nativeamericans
 * Nativeamerican
 * Native americain
 * Native American peoples
 * Native American Indians

On the contrary, Amerindian should be directed to Indigenous peoples of the Americas, not (as currently) to the Native Americans disambig page. - TheMightyQuill (talk) 18:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * RE NGJW: "To me the vast majority of people that type in the majority of these phrases are looking for Native Americans," to which must be also said "or First Nations"; so care must be taken as to which of the two "jurisdictional" phrases and depending on the context there may be room for a more specific redirect e.g. Indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast or in many cases/articles even more specific as to which tribe, or subgroup even. Some cross-border articles like the many we have in the Pacific Northwest may speak of "Native Americans" from the Canadian or Russian side of the border; in one particular case Port Gamble, Washington}Port Gamble the Haida-Tlingit alliance in question i reworded frmo "Native American" to "First Nations and native Alaskans from British and Russian territories, respectively) (I would have rather been able to specify which subgroup/chief; e.g. Skidegate, Cumshewa, Ninstints et al. was the one in question (may yet turn up, I've been reading lots lately...)..  My point is that generic terms should be weaned out in favour of more specific texts/links whenever possible; it is the actual "preference" now - referring to someone by their nation, not as part of the larger mass/complexity..."race"); "First Nations" has all those other ambiguities which "Native American" doesn't, also - it can mean the "ethnicity" (all 500 of them), as an adjective for person or thing, as a term for a government, or for the people/group themselves (when singular usually); it's really not a very useful terms because of all the meaning's it's acquired; so "linking through it" should always be mindful of the context of how it was used; "First Nations language" should redirect to First Nations languages", not First Nations language for example.  I know there's supposedly a consensus on using "Native American" somewhere on one of the talkpages, but it's not a consensus I'm aware that's held/accepted outside the United States; except perhaps by Canadian-side academics and publishers needing to adjust their work for American readers/markets/expectations....Is there no rationale btw for breaking up t he Indigenous peoples of the Americas into North/Central and South Americas, or is that just not that easy to do?  I'm thinking e.g. native North American which (as I know from friends who use it) means those north of 49 and as those in the Lower 48.Skookum1 (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The naming debate is mostly in Archives 1, 2, 3 of the Native American talk page. Rmhermen (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * PS someone on Native American name controversy asked I provide a cite for Red Indian still being used outside of North America, which 'twas me who inserted that long ago; granted the word "commonly" might not apply, but when meeting with people in Britain and anglophones from elsewhere in Europe or Asia/Africa when Iv'e said Indian I've often heard "do you mean Red Indians", in all sweet innocence. I know that's not a citation; but if someone has oen for extra-North American usage of "Red Indian" please add it over there; doesnst' seem to get used on British/European webpages but I haven't really shopped around; most German pages on North American peoples, when not Karl May-ish, seem to be parrotings of radical-group propaganda/rhetoric and so are overly-politically-correct.Skookum1 (talk) 18:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * On Google Web, "Rotindianer" (German) gets a few hits... --Una Smith (talk) 20:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Pueblos, New Mexico
See a long discussion about pueblos here. --Una Smith (talk) 20:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
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Fourche Maline
I would like to request that articles be written on the Fourche Maline people and the Fourche Maline culture. Thank you, Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 17:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

A desired addition to the article Prayer
Hi. I would like the article Prayer to be expanded with a section on prayer in American Indian traditional religion (that is, pre-Christian). If there are existing articles in Wikipedia that address this subject and can be summarized in Prayer please point them out. Thank you. --Blanchardb- Me • MyEars • MyMouth -timed 02:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked through Category: Native American religion and all I could find was prayer stick. There is more on the more recent Native American Church, though. Rmhermen (talk) 22:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I made the addition to the best of my understanding. Feel free to correct my entry if my wording suggests a factual error. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 21:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

South America
Is anyone aware of a Wikiproject or group working on South America peoples? I had a question about the Pemones but couldn't think of anywhere to ask. Rmhermen (talk) 22:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Dust bowl needs attention
Looks to me like a case of that tiresome "the region was deserted until 1850" syndrome -- Dust_bowl and Talk:Dust_Bowl. -- 201.17.36.246 (talk) 22:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Shiprock
I hate to add to this long to do list, but here goes. There are quite a few references to myths and traditions on the Shiprock article. The article would benefit from some cleaning up and proper sourcing. It also misses any references to the role Shiprock plays in other cultures of the Southwest. This request is also extended to Mount Taylor! The good news is that a recent court finding extends it as a place of cultural historic importance. A nice inter-tribal victory! It would be great if some reliable verified information on why could be added to the Mount_Taylor_(New_Mexico). Diastar (talk) 19:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)diastar

Requested move of Aztec and Inca
Please discuss this move here--  LYKANTROP    ✉  14:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)