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Scaling this project
Is is a little disappointing, as I'm sure Charles will profess, that this project is so low key at the moment. Translation and transwiki is one of the most important things we can do on here. It's not easy to find the time to focus on this with other projects running though. Would it be worth messaging around again to attract a few more regulars? There's still people who translate things like Swedish churches etc but they're not doing it from within this project. A big thankyou to Charles anyway for keeping this alive, just...♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:26, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I think, to the extent that I'm active on wiki at all at the moment, that I'm one of the people "Swedish church translators." I hesitate to suggest how anything might be done differently because I think most of the reasons I'm inactive are 'real life' ones. I really appreciate the work being done here and look forward to coming back to this project when I work out how to make more time (soon, hopefully!).
 * One thing I might say is that when I translate things, usually, I then go and translate the red links from the newly translated page - or other items in the same category. This tends to lead me away from the project and into "Swedish church translation" even when I come here looking for a starting point. I actually think this is one of the great things about the project - it is much more outward looking than any of the others I'm involved in. But maybe I need to try harder to link it back to this project, because I agree that the appearance of inactivity is disheartening and breeds further inactivity. Furius (talk) 14:43, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey I don't know if you're active or not, but I know I've often seen things like Swedish and Norwegian new entries coming in, it would be good if they could be done as part of this, but understand that people might want to do their own thing. It's all part of the intertranswiki effort!♦ Dr. Blofeld  07:27, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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The 10,000 Challenge
,, , , , , , etc, I was wondering if any of you would be interested in setting up a The 10,000 Challenge (Northern Europe) or The 10,000 Challenge (Nordic) based on the successful The 10,000 Challenge for the UK which has seen over 1800 improvements in a few months? It's just I'm hoping to see some other parts of the world running their own ones. We could include Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland one combined but Germany, Netherlands, Poland and Belgium etc would also be good, but some of the countries might not have anything in common. It's just I know other areas of Europe on here don't tend to have many editors on English wiki, but combined there's a few people who contribute to the Nordic nations and parts of Northern Europe to make something work. We could of course set it at a 1000 or 5000 article target to start with or something but I hope there's a way we can set something up which will motivate editors. It could also potentially include Swedish/Norwegian/Finnish/Germany/Dutch/Polish wikipedia etc. #

Obviously if we had the editors it would be good to start one for each country but we don't. Perhaps if we started with a 1000 Challenge for some of the active European countries individually, it this something which could be achieved and go towards this? You could do say The 1000 Challenge (Germany), The 1000 Challenge (Poland), The 1000 Challenge (Netherlands), The 1000 Challenge (Norway), The 1000 Challenge (Sweden) to start with perhaps? The articles regularly translated as part of Interntranswiki of course would be listed under the respective challenges and give people more of a long term goal to achieve on here? Each countries would need at least 2 or 3 active editors on board to start something though. I think potentially Germany, Denmark and Sweden might have enough to start something for each.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:40, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ernst, I think this is a great idea, but between my job and ArbCom I just don't have the time for a serious commitment... thanks though. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a cool idea in general. Polish Wiki does something similar, focusing on countries and topics. We could try to involve Wikiprojects. Whether I have time to contribute much these days personally, I am not so sure. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  03:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Anything that encourages people to contribute half-way usable (or better) material is good, and where a good "stub-class plus" entry already exists in another language version of wikipedia, that clearly counts as "low hanging fruit" (a particularly irritating piece of business jargon I was taught in the 1990s) - much quicker and easier to pick and cultivate the pips than visiting a university library and mugging up a topic ab initio.  This new project seems calculated to encourage contributions of wiki-content, and if, simply by adding a hidden (or not) category, I can include any future contributions, where appropriate, in such a project, I've absolutely no objection.   But the quantity of any individual's wiki-hours - like other hours - is necessarily finite, and I think that to the extent I am able to be useful to the overall project, my wiki-time is probably better applied in adding content that in multi-tiered wiki-project administration.   Also, for better and / or worse, I am having difficulty excluding from my mind various metaphors involving herding domestic cats.   Been there: done that.  Now who's this "Ernst" fellow?  (Only being facetious:  I really have worked it out...)   Success Charles01 (talk) 07:41, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, , and. I'm just wondering what the best thing would be here, I mean Netherlands is as about as connected to Iceland as the UK is to Croatia, a Northern European one I think would be too generic and unlikely to attract contributors. One for Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and Denmark might work. Perhaps I'll set up a 1000 Challenge for some of these European countries, Germany and Sweden strike me as good places to start. I'll have to see if we can get some contributors from a few countries first. I'll think more about it later in the autumn.♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC)


 * You are certainly developing ideas for lots of contests at the moment, what with all the African interest, the West Country, and support for Women in Red. As for "Northern Europe", maybe we could start by concentrating on the four main Nordic countries: Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden. They have quite a lot in common in terms of language, history and culture. In fact, coverage of Norway and Sweden is already pretty good with about 45,000 articles on each. The real effort needs to go into Denmark (19,000) and Finland (14,500). Have you thought about timing for this? We don't want to be doing too much at the same time.--Ipigott (talk) 08:41, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

The proposed 10,000/1000 drives aren't contests, but ongoing goals. I doubt we'd get enough contributors to run contests for most places not in the English speaking world. The idea is more to combine the people who are contributing towards these countries anyway and record all the work being done to try to inspire other people to create more. Obviously I can't run contests and be responsible for everywhere, but I'm hoping people can see what has been achieved to date and copy it and then take charge of it and contribute towards a focus regardless of my own input. If we can get enough interest and the relative chapters involved, so it would also including the native language wikis as well, then you could probably run contests, but that's well into the future. I do hope we reach a point though where each country will have a few dedicated contributors to at least make the 1000 challenges work. I know you're very busy with Women in Red Ipigott, but if and  would be interested in setting something up for the Nordic countries as a challenge I'll do it. Agree on those four main Nordic countries being a good places to start. I'll see what I can do for this later.♦ Dr. Blofeld  08:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I like the idea very much, and I have a few ideas already that I could use as a starting platform. The big question mark for me is time - I'm quite busy this autumn at work. If someone makes the basic set-up I'd be happy to contribute articles though. Finland is very interesting, my Swedish could partially be a help there, too. And then I would also like to point out that the Baltic states are terribly covered (just look at the messy article on Riga) - worth considering for the future. Yakikaki (talk) 15:38, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And you, Yakikaki, beat me to it. Even a division like Denmark/Faroes/Iceland/Norway-Bokmål/Norway-Nynorsk and  Baltics/Finland/Sweden might make sense.  (Trying to read Faroese & Icelandic is mostly futile, but fun.  Finnish is, of course, a whole 'nother ball game.)  --Hordaland (talk) 19:09, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I think a general Nordic one would be best which and cover all in one as there won't be a lot of editors interested in doing both. I'll set something up tomorrow and see if you like it!♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:40, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Would a 1000 target be reasonable to start with?♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a good start IMO, let's do it! Yakikaki (talk) 14:59, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

,, , , , I've set up a page at The 1000 Challenge (Nordic). Obviously long term 10,000 would be more ambitious and in keeping with the others and we want enough support to be able to run national contests for Denmark, Norway and Sweden etc based on the WP:Awaken the Dragon model but let's see how this gets off running first. Please alert all of the relative wikiprojects and members and this can start asap!♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:55, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's just occurred to me that might like to participate too.--Ipigott (talk) 10:58, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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WikiProject Europe/The 10,000 Challenge
,, , , , etc, this is now up.♦  Dr. Blofeld  20:03, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Good! But I'm a little confused. If I contribute to an article on Scandinavia, which project does it go in? Furius (talk) 21:19, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It'll remain it's own 1000 Challenge, but we'll "tip" in entries after every 100 contributed if everybody is OK with that. You might be interested in the German or French ones proposed, sign up under Germany or France if so.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:22, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * In any case, I see the Nordic countries have not been included. I, for one, will continue to contribute to the Nordic Challenge, particularly as we have been getting on so well. There's so much going on at the moment, I don't think I'll be able to commit myself to more European countries for the time being. But thanks,, for extending your successful approach to the whole of Europe.--Ipigott (talk) 07:23, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think retain the 1000 Challenges as their own ones, but we can feed the Europe one with them. I doubt the European one will be as viable as the others, that's why I proposed country challenges, but it's a framework which will be needed for future development and has a good chance of a least one or two people wanting another sub challenge.♦ Dr. Blofeld  07:48, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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Bovilla
Hi, can or  translate this from German wiki?♦  Dr. Blofeld  17:01, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Will do it now. Furius (talk) 22:20, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks.Really notable feature when you look on google maps. I spotted that they've recently hit Albania with Steeet View. Amazed that it was missing! Will add to the Euro challenge once you've finished :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld  23:07, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Done, except for the infobox - I find them a real pain and (incidentally) wonder if it might be possible for WP:intertranswiki and WP:Templates to team up in order to create something that would automate translation of them. Furius (talk) 23:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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For January 2017: Missing biographies of Google Doodle honorees.
There are many people honored with a Google logo ([www.Google.com/doodles]).While most of them have a biography on English Wikipedia, some of them haven't.

I suggest one of the next translation rounds for ITW should be creating those missing biographies. All of them have articles in their native language Wikipedias. What do you think?


 * Aiga Rasch, German illustrator
 * Ernesto Carneiro Ribeiro, Brazilian doctor and linguist.
 * Carmen Costa, Brazilian singer.
 * Ji Hyeon-ok, Korean mountain climber.
 * Andrejs Jurjāns, Latvian composer.
 * Hatsusaburō Yoshida, Japanese illustrator. DanielGSouza (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * No one would demur, I think.  Feel free to add a batch of your own in early January.


 * Be aware, however, that having been (re)launched with a certain amount of wiki-fanfare a year and a half back, this project only has one active participant these days.  If you are proposing to make that two, welcome aboard.   The practical implication is that unless you suffer from interminable optimism (and they tell me that it is indeed Christmas) you should probably only list for translation articles that you yourself expect to translate.   Even when there were more of us, that was how it tended to end up >80% of the time.


 * For my part, the only one of your chosen languages with which I can claim even basic familiarity is German.  (Though I used to be able to order a drink - maybe even a meal - in Portuguese.)


 * Success.  And regards Charles01 (talk) 16:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm considering this as a New Year resolution. I can handle the Portuguese language ones easily; the other ones... not really (although looks like Google translation improved a lot with the neural networks. I should give it a try and look for sources in English to help)
 * Thank you for your support, and Happy holidays.DanielGSouza (talk) 17:11, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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Translating English Good articles into other languages?
I often see many Good articles here at English Wikipedia that do not exist at other language projects, even as stubs. I'm curious, is there a project where editors translate Good articles and attempt to get them promoted to Good status at other Wikipedias? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:32, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * It's a good question, and one to which I do not know the answer.  But if you only enter it here, then I fear your are sharing it with very few people, so you're unlikely to get any reaction more useful than this one.   If you want to pursue it with vigour, I think the place to enter your ideas might be the talk pages of the individual country by country pages (or rather their related talk pages), which get a much larger e-footfall.


 * That said (written) there are vanishingly few individuals contributing to wikipedia or anywhere else who can write mother tongue quality prose in more than one language.   So if you want to promote the idea of taking good English wikipedia articles to other languages (without massacring the syntax and without failing to adapt/allow for differing local awarenesss levels covering context/background) then maybe you should address the matter in Spanish/Russian/German/Dutch/Mandarin ... whatever language wikis rather than in English language wikipedia.   For better and worse - and in terms of international understanding it's most likely "our loss"  - there appear to be far more people in Germany or the Netherlands or Russia or (for that matter) China with a good understanding of English than there are in England with a usable understanding of other folks' languages.


 * Risk of digression?  Probably.   The second cup of breakfast coffee hasn't cut in yet.   But I wish you success if you will muster the energy to run with this one a bit and see what happens.


 * Regards Charles01 (talk) 06:39, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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