Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/April 2011

Shiba inu
I opened RFC at here. Please post your comment. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 07:26, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

aircraft carriers
I noticed that there is a List of battleships of Japan but there is no List of aircraft carriers of Japan. Shouldn't there be one? The unified list of aircraft carriers is missing several non-fleet carriers, like the Ise class battleship conversions, and the I-400 submarine aircraft carriers, so a specific list for Japan would be useful in having these more specialized carriers/less generic. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 11:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that there should be such a list. walk victor falktalk 19:06, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Files_for_deletion/2011_March_28
All opinions welcome. Thank you. walk victor falktalk 19:06, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Fukushima disaster
The usage of Fukushima disaster and naming of Fukushima I nuclear accidents is in question, see Talk:Fukushima I nuclear accidents.

Are there any other disasters that need to be noted at Fukushima disaster disambiguation page?

65.93.12.101 (talk) 22:48, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

2004 NPB baseball crisis
I set out on a quest to write an article on NPB's first and only player strike in 2004. When looking for the corresponding article on the Japanese Wiki, I noticed that it's rolled into one big article with the team merger and the expansion team, among other things. The article is called プロ野球再編問題 (2004年). From what I can tell, this translates to "Pro-baseball realignment"? Anyone have a better translation? Or, better yet, does anyone have any idea what term I can use to name the upcoming English article equivalent? -- T orsodo g Talk 00:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I remember the Japanese media coverage back then, gappei mondai／［プロ野球］合併問題 ranked very high on the list of terms used to describe the whole chain of events, ja:球団合併問題 and ja:プロ野球球団合併問題 are also redirects in ja-WP. So, maybe "NPB merger crisis"? Depending on the focus and structure of the article "2004 NPB player strike" might also be fine to keep a similar format to MLB articles as in 1994 MLB strike. Just a non-native's two yen, Asakura Akira (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Request for input in discussion forum
Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at WikiProject Religion/2011 meeting, and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome. John Carter (talk)

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WikiProject Japanese Bibliography
It was suggested here that the inactive WikiProject Japanese Bibliography be turned into a task force of this project. Does anyone from this project think this would be a good idea? Hut 8.5 12:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The project has already been notified twice, see above. -- Klein zach  22:42, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea. It's mainly been kept for historical reasons, but apparently the deletion zealots--who have nothing better to do with their time--want to see it deleted for no good reason. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 06:26, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * No editor at the Mfd suggested deletion. If this project had woken up earlier you could have actually participated. Apology please! -- Klein zach  07:29, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * At least one editor suggested it should be deleted or it wouldn't have been at MFD. JJ98 has been going crazy with nominating inactive WikiProjects, despite the instructions on the MFD page. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 06:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've also just moved it, and I will add it to the navbox and talk page project banner tomorrow. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 06:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There's also a subpage: WikiProject Japan/Bibliography/Imperial Japan and its colonies. -- Klein zach  07:31, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Japanese stub templates
FYI, changed the image on several Japanese stub templates on 9 and 7 April. The size doesn't appear to have changed, but the existing size themselves seem problematic, since they leave alot of whitespace. See Template talk:Akita-geo-stub for what I mean. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 10:21, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Old Kyoto Map
For anybody who needs a 1696 map of Kyoto or who just likes looking at pretty maps. bamse (talk) 22:48, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The map is called Genroku 9 Kyoto Daiezu (元禄九年京都大絵図) according to the International Research Center for Japanese Studies (Nichibunken). Yodo Castle (ja:淀城) near Yodo Station is clearly visible. Perhaps we can put it somewhere, like Heian-kyo to introduce street naming and numbering. --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 02:38, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Arguably welcome addition at en:Genroku? es:Genroku? fr:Ère Genroku? pt:Genroku? sv:Genroku? Uncertain about adding at ko:겐로쿠 and/or 元祿? --Tenmei (talk) 20:00, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Need to update the "Largest Cities of Japan" section in the main Japan article to reflect 2010 Census Populations
This is actually my first time doing this so I apologize if the format of this type of change request is incorrect. I noticed that the current section "largest Cities of Japan" in the main Japan article is a little outdated and reflects the population of the top 20 Japanese cities from the 2005 Census. The city populations have been updated in the 2010 Japan Census and the new numbers are indicated below (source located at the very bottom):

Rank City Name Prefecture Pop. 1. Tokyo Tokyo 8,949,447 2. Yokohama Kanagawa 3,689,603 3. Osaka Osaka 2,666,371 4. Nagoya Aichi 2,263,907 5. Sapporo Hokkaidō 1,914,434 6. Kōbe Hyōgo 1,544,873 7. Kyōto Kyōto 1,474,473 8. Fukuoka Fukuoka 1,463,826 9. Kawasaki Kanagawa 1,425,678 10. Saitama Saitama 1,222,910 11. Hiroshima Hiroshima 1,174,209 12. Sendai Miyagi 1,045,903 13. Kitakyūshū Fukuoka 977,288 14. Chiba Chiba 962,130 878,056 15. Sakai Osaka 842,134 16. Niigata Niigata 812,192 17. Hamamatsu Shizuoka 800,912 18. Kumamoto Kumamoto 734,294 19. Sagamihara Kanagawa 717,561 20. Shizuoka Shizuoka 716,328

The source for the 2010 Census city population data is located here: www.stat.go.jp/data/kokusei/2010/jinsoku/zuhyou/jinsoku.xls

or just go here and download the "jinsoku" xls (in Japanese): http://www.stat.go.jp/data/kokusei/2010/

Thanks for taking the time to look at and consider my request.

72.193.222.189 (talk) 22:12, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

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Deletion of election poster image
I wish to inform you that has been nominated for deletion. Silver seren C 20:15, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

FLC of List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: others)
I invite comments, questions and suggestions for the featured list candidacy of List of National Treasures of Japan (writings: others). The nomination page can be found here. Thanks. bamse (talk) 14:45, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It has been listed as Nominations urgently needing reviews, meaning that it is in danger of failing because of a lack of reviews. So far it has received one "support" vote (no "oppose") while three votes is considered to be the minimum for success. Hopefully a member of this wikiproject will have time for a review. You'd need to do the following: Check this list for these criteria and leave your comments (together with a "Support"/"Oppose" vote) here. Thanks a lot! bamse (talk) 21:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

template:The Shinto Barnstar
The Shinto Barnstar appears to be broken. 65.94.45.160 (talk) 06:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

JNTO photo library
Hello all. I don't know if you've come across the JNTO photo library - reasonably extensive and some are quite good. Looks like they're ok with bona-fide use - as I have also had confirmed by email (copied below). Don't know if anything can be made of this? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Dear XXXX,

Thank you very much for your kind interests to our country. Please use our images freely. Each photo has the different credit line, so please find copyright information from the photo detail and put it. Hope it will be of your help.

Best regards,

Yukiko Agata JNTO Tokyo

To clarify, that was specifically in response to my asking whether they are ok for their images to be used in Wikipedia articles, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:17, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like a very useful image library. I asked the experts how we can use these images. bamse (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * JNTO terms of use:

Article 1. Purpose of Use The image data of this library has been permitted to be used for the PR of Japan Tourism in order to increase the number of foreigners visiting Japan. However, the data cannot be used if it is deemed inappropriate by the Administrators or if it is to be used for purposes that run counter to the prohibitions stated in Article 5. Article 2. Image Data This libabry stores same image contents in 2 different sizes. One is meant for wallpapers and another is for printing purpose. The latter are high resolution images. 1) Images for wallpaper (JPEG, 1280×1280 square pixel, 72dpi) may be downloaded only for personal use (PC etc.). Images may be used on personal homepage, provided the homepage is not meant for any commercial use.Also, in some cases enterprises or corporations willing to use these images in their promotions for attracting foreign visitors and not for commercial purpose may use them after consulting with us in advance. 2) Only the registered members of Japan Photo Library managed by Japan National Tourism Organization - an independent administrative agency (hereinafter called JNTO) - may download images for printing purpose (JPEG, size not defined, 350dpi). Article 3. Copyright 1) All image data in the Library are copyright of JNTO and the local governments and other public organizations that provide them. 2) JNTO and local governments and other public organizations do not hold the right of portrait and other rights over such images. If third parties' consent is necessary regarding such rights, you must obtain such consent for yourself. In the case of any dispute with third parties regarding such rights, settlement of any such dispute is on your own responsibility. Article 4. Credit When you insert Library images in magazines and other printed matter, you must give credit to the copyright holders in one of the following forms. Certain images may require both forms of credit. Please check copyright notices indicated on such images. ・Credit for images copyrighted by JNTO ©JNTO ・Credit for images copyrighted by local governments and other public organizations ©Local government and other public organization / JNTO For instance, If copyrighted by XX City/JNTO, affix ©XX City / ©JNTO. If copyrighted by XX Visitors Bureau/JNTO, affix ©XX Visitors Bureau / ©JNTO. Article 5. Prohibitions It is prohibited to use Library images in the following ways. JNTO may request an injunction against such usage or any use not in keeping with the purpose of the Library and demand recall/destruction of materials at the user's expense. 1) Production/sale of products whose retail appeal depends on images in the Library (picture postcards, calendars, digital data, etc. for sale) 2) Use of images in the Library for rental purposes 3) Use of images in the Library that may lead to fraud or misunderstanding, defamation or outrage against public order and decency Article 6. Indemnity JNTO and local governments and other public organizations that provide the image data contained in the Library shall not be responsible for any loss or damage that may be caused as a result of the use of such image data. Article 7. Send us your printed literature [Applicable only to those who want to download images for printing purpose] If you download images from this library and print them in magazines etc., please do send us 2 free copies of such printed literature for our future use. Please send it on the below mentioned address. 10th Floor, Tokyo Kotsu Kaikan Building, 2-10-1Yurakucho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 100-0006 Japan National Tourism Organization General Affairs Dept. Tourist Information Center Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * First pass, reading this, is that we can't use any of it as free use, because article 5 of that notice is essentially a non-commercial stipulation which is. For some incredibly stupid reason that the WMF seems to think they do a good job of justifying, WMF projects treat non-commerical as being not free enough for free use on WMF projects.
 * TLDR: These would be "non-commercial" so they would all have to be fair use, not free use.
 * I'll look a bit more now, see if I can get anything that might mitigate that.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  22:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, no mitigating factors, see below.  S ven M anguard   Wha?  22:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, so let's break this down into small, easy to summarize points:


 * Every single image on that site is marked as copyrighted by JNTO, many others are marked as copyrighted by a local organization/government/person and by JNTO.
 * Here's an example of the first kind, the "©JNTO"
 * Here's an example of the second kind, the dual ©JNTO/©Other, in this case "©Nagano Prefecture/©JNTO"


 * Short of finding the proper person to speak to for each organization/government/person, we cannot use any of the dual copyrighted images, even if JNTO waves their copyright, the other is still in effect.


 * As for the ones that only say ©JNTO in that field, in order for Wikipedia to use any of them, Wikipedia must receive a written release, most preferably the one at CONSENT, for the use of the images on the website. The email that was transposed above is not sufficient for this, it's too vague and grants only Wikipedia use.
 * The form could be tweaked in such a way as to allow one form to be used for all the images we wanted to use, however, again, JNTO does not have the ability to override the copyright for anyone other than JNTO, so dual copyrighted images cannot be released this way.
 * If you use the CONSENT form, it's already there, if you don't, make sure they know about the commercial aspect, as that's something that they are apparently concerned about.

I know no one likes jumping through hoops, but this is the way it has to be done. Good luck and thanks for putting in all this effort. If you need anything else, drop me a message,  S ven M anguard   Wha?  22:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Japanese Wikipedia images
I've been trying to use some of the images from the Japanese Wikipedia but in some instances the result is only red text with the image name. Has anyone had any experience of dealing with this? Thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Any image you see on the Japanese Wikipedia, is located in one of two types of storage location: (i) on Japanese Wikipedia itself or (ii) on Wikimedia Commons. For instance, this is an image that belongs to type "(i)". This is an image that belongs to type "(ii)". Note the message below the ukiyoe image, saying that this file is located on "commons". This message is not present in images of type "(i)". On English wikipedia you can use only images that have been uploaded to Commons (or to English Wikipedia). If you want to use an image of type "(i)" from Japanese wikipedia on English Wikipedia, you can reupload it to Commons under the same licence mentioning its location on Japanese Wikipedia, etc (see WP:MTC). I use this tool for such cases which makes the process less painful. bamse (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks (and presumably no 熊丼 for you), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:35, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Japanese political parties
At Template talk:Japanese political parties I proposed some criteria for listing political groups on Template:Japanese political parties. --Nanshu (talk) 12:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)