Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/December 2014

Proposed Task Force on AJS & SB

 * A number of us are studying systemic bias in regards to Anti-Japanese sentiment on Wikipedia. As the articles in question fall under the general interest of WPJ we are proposing a WPJ Task Force on Anti-Japanese Systemic Bias (AJSB). Please discuss. Thanks, LoveJapanChika (talk) 09:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Oppose - that would present an adversarial atmosphere for any incoming editors, as well as during interactions with editors of other projects. It should be enough to say that all editors here want information presented in a factual and dispassionate forum, with no bias for or against Japan. The nature of this task force would be akin to an internal police. - Boneyard90 (talk) 14:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I believe the vast majority of members of this project already engage in neutral and factual editing with regard to Japan. While all love or have an interest in Japan, they do not let it get in the way of following what reliable sources say about Japan, be they good or bad things. That is the fundamental principle of Wikipedia: WP:FIVEPILLARS. However, I cannot help feel that you are not proposing this out of regard for those principles. I notice this statement you wrote on your own talk page: "For better or worse Wikipedia is a literal democracy, so the side with the most editors wins in any edit-war. Bring your friends" . It seems you think Wikipedia is a place of war where the side with the most editors wins. Is your proposal about systemic bias part of your strategy to win this war? I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia and should go back and re-read the basic principles. This is not a war, but an encyclopedia where the use of reliable sources--that is, the truth--reigns. Michitaro (talk) 15:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Update
 * LoveJapanChika has been blocked indefinitely because it was clear that she was not here to build the encyclopedia. Rather, she came here to push a revisionist agenda. Binksternet (talk) 03:48, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Featured Article nomination for Taiko
Hey folks. An article I've been working on, Taiko, is being reviewed under the Featured Article Criteria, and a reviewer there has requested someone to check over the prose. If you'd like to help conduct this review, please check out the article and leave comments at Featured article candidates/Taiko/archive1. The relevant criteria are described here. Thanks, I, JethroBT  drop me a line 16:08, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Translation
Hey, people. Not sure if you can help me and if it's the best place to ask but I'd like a help with a translation from Japanese. I'd like to have the second (スタッフには...), the third (2Dで制作...), and sixth (『遊☆戯☆王5D's』におい...) paragraphs of 10thアニバーサリー 劇場版 遊☆戯☆王 〜超融合!時空を越えた絆〜 translated. Could someone help me? Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Anyone? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 18:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oda Mari may be able to offer assistance. You will have to ask, though. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 05:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I've contacted Oda Mari. 16:22, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Debito Arudou
Hi everyone. Would someone be willing to take a look at the Debito Arudou article? There have been a couple of requests by the subject (here and here) for improvements that he would like to be made, and I'd be grateful if someone could take a moment to look at them and see if they are worth adding to the article. I don't want to get involved with writing content there as we have had some problems with vandalism and BLP violations, and I'd like to be able to act in an admin capacity if any problems crop up again. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 00:37, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Translation request
Please translate this sentence from English into Japanese:

"Please do not contribute text in Japanese to English Wikipedia. Your contributions are more than welcome at the Japanese Wikipedia."

The translation will appear in the list of warning templates at Template:Notenglish.– Gilliam (talk) 06:33, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I think this will do. Comments welcome.
 * 英語版 Wikipedia では日本語で投稿しないで下さい. もちろん、日本語版でしたら、日本語での投稿大歓迎です.
 * – Margin1522 (talk) 14:51, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * This is a very close approximation of what we have as the Korean template; the German one is a little more clearly referring to article space. I suppose the appropriate interpretation of the phrase "contribute text" is the problem. 投稿 is a little ambiguous in that regard, isn't it? Might there be a way to indicate that asking a question on talk pages isn't as bad as writing in Japanese in the article space? (Thanks, Honyaku.) Dekimasu よ! 19:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I think another thing to consider (delicately) is that a message like this might just encourage people considering submitting a page in Japanese (which is actually easy to deal with, or should be), into submitting machine translations or student essays on the Spot is a dog. See Spot run. level instead. Imaginatorium (talk) 20:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


 * That's a point. I hadn't even thought of that. Hmm. Actually I think 投稿 would usually refer to article space, as compared to 書きもみ for Talk pages. And maybe we better just leave it at that? I'm fine with Japanese on my Talk page, but that wouldn't be true of everybody. (And yes, thanks > Masako et al.)  Easy for who? ;-) – Margin1522 (talk) 20:38, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

How about this one? I added "machine translated English" to the message. I think the word 編集/edit can be replaceable with 投稿. 英語版ウィキペディアでは日本語及び機械翻訳による英語での投稿はご遠慮ください. 日本語での投稿は、日本語版ウィキペディアでお願いいたします. Oda Mari (talk) 07:34, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

✅ Thanks.– Gilliam (talk) 07:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Template:Welcomeen-ja
Just wondering if the last sentence of this template seems a little strange to anyone else or is it just me. For some reason, "ウィキペディア･プロジェクトへの参加ありがとうございます." seems a little rough sounding compared to the tone of the previous sentences and that "ウィキペディア･プロジェクトへのご参加いただき（、誠に）ありがとうございます." or something of equivalent politeness would be better. Perhaps I am just having a bad hair day, but "参加ありがとうございます" just doesn't seem right to me not only grammatically, but also stylistically. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the proper register is here, but the template is clearly trying to hit a neutral note even if that's a bit strange in normal 初対面のあいさつ in Japanese. How polite must we be to new editors who are　supposed to be considered our equals? Dekimasu よ! 19:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's rough. IMHO, adding a punctuation mark, "、", would be fine. "ウィキペディア･プロジェクトへの参加、ありがとうございます. " 馬鹿丁寧 is not good. Oda Mari (talk) 07:37, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all for the response. To me "ご参加" just seems better and is not really "馬鹿丁寧". If you google the vast majority of the hits come up using the "ご". Of course, googling doesn't mean the "ご" version is 100% right and it probably just seems "rough" (i.e., "casual") to me because I'm used to hearing the "ご" being used. Perhaps, that's just more due to personal preference based upon the situations I hear it used in. I asked some friends, family members and co-workers about this and found that the younger ones tend to think both are OK, while the older ones tend to feel that "ご" is better, so it it's not like there's one firm and fast rule. Anyway, I do think that adding a comma like  suggests is a good idea and if a comma is used then I wouldn't use "ご". FWIW, I do also agree that it's counter productive to be polite just for politeness sake, especially for what this template is designed to do; I was really more concerned as to whether the tone being used throughout the entire template was consistent. Thanks again for the input. -  - Marchjuly (talk) 08:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There are two reasons that "ご" is not needed in that context. The user is actually unwelcome at here and no one asked the user to edit/contribute to en:WP. Using "ご" in the context sounds silly or 馬鹿丁寧 to a native speaker. Oda Mari (talk) 09:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, thank for the additional clarification. Just for reference, the people I asked are Japanese native speakers all currently in Japan, but I just showed them the text without providing any additional context about being "unwelcome". Anyway, no worries either way. Thanks again. - Marchjuly (talk) 10:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

biography with NPOV issues
Hello, I have tagged Soichiro Fukutake, needing more work to achieve a neutral, encyclopedic tone, if anyone more knowledgeable about Japan than myself (that would be almost everyone) would like to improve neutrality and sourcing of this article. GermanJoe (talk) 07:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Radically solved by Ryulong, thank you for that (the whole article was full of problematic unsourced content, so an almost complete restart was probably the best option to fix the situation). GermanJoe (talk) 04:30, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Getting information on the company Shohakusha
I'm having trouble getting info on Shohakusha (I just started the article). The company doesn't seem to have a lot of info in English articles. I'm struggling to find mentions of the company in Japanese newspapers. When I search for 松柏社 in Google Books it's hard for me to determine if any of the sources are discussing the publisher itself.

What sources are good ones to add info to Japanese companies like this? WhisperToMe (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * According to their website, they publish:


 * 大学・短期大学・高等専門学校向け英語教材 English-language teaching materials for university, junior colleges, and technical schools
 * 高校向け英語教材（主としてリーダー・問題集）high school English-language teaching materials (mainly readers and workbooks)
 * 学生・社会人向け英語学習書 (English-language study/learning materials for college students and working adults)
 * 英語学・英米文学専門書 (British and American literature specialty books)
 * 人文社会科学専門書全般 (Social science culture books)
 * 他・一般書全般 (other, general topical books)

I couldn't find any news articles about the company itself. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 19:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Nihonjoe! WhisperToMe (talk) 04:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Feel free to have someone check my quick and dirty translations. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 07:05, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Honebuto Hoshin
Please make sense with Honebuto Hoshin article nominated for deletion. It looks a valid subject, but requires a significanr intervention of an expert. In particular, it needs to be linked from other Japan-related pages, no ensure visibility and hence attract editors. -M.Altenmann >t 19:48, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Daisaku Ikeda (yet again)
The article Daisaku Ikeda is being either (A) stripped of the (potentially) libellous, or (B) whitewashed -- or some combination of the two. Experienced editors who (like me) have no particular interest in the biographee or Sõka Gakkai are warmly invited to consider and comment on "remarkable deletions", and to keep careful watch on the article. -- Hoary (talk) 06:12, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Since I wrote, there's been more activity in the article and its talk page by new, near-SPA editors, who all seem to have the same priorities. -- Hoary (talk) 10:37, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Security Bureau (Japan)
Can someone who is able assist me with adding more information and detail to the article about Japan's Security Bureau. Any help will be greatly appreciated, thanks a lot! --Olowe2011 (talk) 17:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Taiko as a Featured Article Candidate
Hey folks, I've just posted Taiko as an FAC and would really appreciate if you could take some time to review it and leave feedback on the FAC page. Thanks, I, JethroBT  drop me a line 02:44, 31 December 2014 (UTC)