Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2008

Japanese characters in logo
As detailed in a New York Times article, there is an error in the Japanese characters in the Wikipedia logo. I have tried creating a fixed version at Image:Wikipedia-logo_thue.png. Could you please say whether the fixed character is acceptable? See also Errors in the Wikipedia logo. Regards, user:Thue Thue | talk 10:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Still looks like katakana ku (ク) to me. Compare wi (ウィ) with kwi (クィ). It looks like a line has been added to the top of the ku. imars (talk) 14:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I see your point. Back to the drawing board... Thue | talk 15:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, talk about being petty... I mean, sure, there's an error in the logo, but writing up a whole New York Times article regarding a tiny little missing dash in the very top of the curve of the wiki-globe? Do people really fuss over stuff like this? I'm confused. TomorrowTime (talk) 07:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Яeally! Fg2 (talk) 10:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If I was better with Illustrator, I'd fix it. Sadly, my Illustrator skills are pretty poor. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Miyajima
The article formerly named "Miyajima, Hiroshima" has been moved to a new title, Miyajima-chō, Hiroshima, which does not follow our conventions for names of articles on municipalities (The article is about the former town.) The edit summary says "Creation of a disambiguation page, as Miyajima is also the name of the island (Itsukushima)." Well, of course, it is, but "Miyajima, Hiroshima" is not the name of the island, so the move was unnecessary. The editor then made Miyajima, Hiroshima a disambiguation page, pointing to the article on Itsukushima and the one on the town (with the new non-standard article title).

I propose to return to the status quo prior to these edits. Fg2 (talk) 22:21, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree completely. The actual name of the island is "Itsukushima," "Miyajima" should redirect to "Itsukushima," and "Miyajima, Hiroshima" should be about the former municipality. -Amake (talk) 01:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've fixed all of this, I think. Please let me know if I missed anything. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. Fg2 (talk) 20:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Shōko Kikuchi
I am working on the future article Shōko Kikuchi on User:Kitty53/Test page. Is anyone available to help me when there is time? Thank you.Kitty53 (talk) 17:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be willing to give you a hand, when I'm not too busy. :) For now, try finding more references, though. It needs to be verifiable, or it may be deleted. Also, remember to stick to MOS standards when formatting the layout and such. Cheers, -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  19:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC).

Japanese MPs/constituencies
Hi, looking through some of your articles on Japanese MPs I noticed that there seems to be no distinction between current single-member constituencies (used since 1996) and SNTV multi-member constituencies (used up to the ’93 house elections) in both navboxes and the infobox politician. In some cases there are entries such as "office created" where this is not true. In most cases pre- and post-reform district numbers are different. And, obviously, giving the name of a single predecessor or successor in a multi-member constituency (MMC) doesn’t make much sense. (For a comprehensive list of electoral district changes in Japanese, see http://www.tt.rim.or.jp/~ishato/tiri/senkyo/senkyoku.htm, for example) I’m not sure whether this is the right place to ask. But before I start to correct some of the errors I wanted to ask whether you have any guideline on how to format those nav-/infoboxes for MMCs: Do you include all previous MPs of a district in the s-bef/s-aft templates? and do you use duplicate infoboxes for MPs whose time in office spans from before the ’94 electoral reform to afterwards (i.e. anyone who was elected in ’93 and ’96)? etc. As this affects many current members of the Japanese House of Representatives I thought a general formatting rule might be helpful. I appreciate any feedback, thanks in advance, Asakura Akira (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think anyone will be stopping you from making corrections you have suggested. I believe most of high profile articles get this "district number" stuff right. e.g., Yasuo Fukuda, Junichiro Koizumi. Since old multi-member constituencies are now defunct, I don't see a need for the inclusion of the information with this regard in the infobox. Since it seems few are currently working on politician articles in any systematic manner right now, you can probably make edits without invoking much opposition. (While I'm on this, I think the right course of action is probably to create a stub article for every single election district. Those stubs will include the list of those elected in the past, and the inforbox can then simply reflect what is in the list. (see Kanagawa's 11th district for example.) I might do this later in a semi-bot manner, but I'm current caught with other stuff (i.e., wikibook).) -- Taku (talk) 09:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the quick response. I later stumbled across the List of Districts of the House of Representatives of Japan. Including an overview of the old MMCs there might be a good place to start. (But if I create such a list it would probably be on de-wiki first.) It’s definitely not the most important thing to do; so I’m not pushing for these changes, but if any information on constituencies is given, it should at least be correct (which isn’t always the case: For example, the Yasuo Fukuda infobox claims he has been representing Gunma 4th since 1990; and Junichiro Koizumi’s box contains the date 9/11/2006, there wasn’t even an election in that year - last election was 9/11/2005, first one on 10/20/1996). I’ll fix those minor errors as I come across them, just wanted to make sure I don’t ignore any useful rules. Thanks again, Asakura Akira (talk) 11:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Good god, you are right; those are errors, and no one has noticed them. I fixed the one in Koizumi's. As for Fukuda's, it seems 1990 refers to the year when he was elected to the previous constituency, which was also called the Gunma 4th. (When I mentioned them, I only did in passing; I didn't check the actual articles.) I think we have yet to answer the question whether we should put the year when the person was first elected or 1994, the year of election reform -- the point you brought up earlier. Since we don't want a bloated infobox, it is probably best to put an current information; that is, one about a new constituency. This is my thinking. -- Taku (talk) 12:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * (As for Yasuo Fukuda: The old MMC was 3rd Gunma, already changed the infobox) I would agree that double infoboxes are not needed and that "taken office" would be 1996 -- the election year when reformed districts were implemented. So I’ll only adjust Navboxes where necessary (I remember getting confused by those when I had compared the (en)- and (ja)-articles on cabinet ministers before creating (de)-stubs for them. So I'll look through the cabinet members for consistency.). Just one more question: Should I include all previous district MPs as predecessors (added them in Yasuo Fukuda; doesn't look good IMHO) or just write "Multi-member constituency" or something similar (as in Fukushiro Nukaga)? --Asakura Akira (talk) 11:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Since I'm not aware of any convention regarding succession boxs for election districts, you can probably impose any style you like without encountering any resistance :) I personally prefer the one used in Fukushiro Nukaga, which looks nicer, as you noted. Preference aside, I personally don't see much point in succession boxs for election districts. Maybe it differs across countries, but I haven't never thought of a winner of an election district as an "office holder", which a succession box is for. On the other hand, I understand that the idea is that a member of the Diet "represents" the district he was elected to. Oh, and it is interesting to note that Ja wiki doesn't seem to be using a succession box for election districts. I wonder why. -- Taku (talk) 23:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to state an argument for including them: About half of LDP and some DPJ lower house seats are inherited from biological or adopted relatives. So, information on predecessors might give insight into the Japanese implementation of a parliamentary system. edit: --Asakura Akira (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Template:S-start documentation suggests including all co-holders and predecessors, though I think authors weren’t considering six-seat MMCs. I agree that distrct navboxes don’t add much information (especially in articles lacking other vital facts) and obviously cause some confusion instead (which is probably the reason the ja-wiki doesn’t include them. And sources for pre-reform districts are rarely available online.) So maybe removing them altogether from articles on Japanese politicians would be the best thing. Most of them are plainly giving false information at the moment. Any objections to removing them?

Matsuo Bashō Good Article Reassessment
The rating of the article Matsuo Bashō as a Good Article is being reassessed. The marathon effort began on April 11 and seems to be nearing an end. The outcome is unclear. More information is available at Good article reassessment/Matsuo Bashō/1. Fg2 (talk) 18:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The article was kept as a Good Article due to improved referencing added during GAR. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

A word from The World Ends with You Wiki from Wikia.
They are looking for materials to develop the articles about the locations (i.e. buildings and general areas) of the game, which takes place in Shibuya, Tokyo

Some articles has been set up. (Note: All buildings and places are based on real places and buildings in the shopping ares, so I post request here.)
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SYSS Mouse (talk) 21:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

What are the kanji characters for an epithet used in Domo-kun world?
There is an epithet "short-legged" that the "Brother Fox" character (Aniki-chi) does not like being called. Can someone please go to his character description here - http://www.domomode.com/ (Go to Japanese and to the character page - click on the tallest fox character) - and get the kanji for the name? Also, how is it read? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is the kanji for his name. And hyphen is not needed for his name. Oda Mari (talk) 05:51, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Short-legged is 短足/tansoku. Oda Mari (talk) 06:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the "name" I wanted was tansoku. Thank you very much :) WhisperToMe (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's also what the page says: 「短足」という言葉に、かなり弱い. TomorrowTime (talk) 08:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * かなり is quite and 弱い is sensitive. Oda Mari (talk) 09:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I was about to tell you to go get rikaichan, but then I had a gut feeling that the site might be... and of course it turns out it is... Flash. This is why I hate Flash!  -Amake (talk) 16:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

List of shoguns
The article List of shoguns has changed dramatically in its scope recently. The list now describes itself as "a list of shoguns that ruled Japan intermittently from the establishment of the Kamakura shogunate in 1192 until the end of the Tokugawa shogunate in 1868." However, the list includes 16 Hōjō (who were never shoguns), two princes (who never ruled Japan), and three Tokugawa from after the Meiji Restoration (who were neither shoguns nor rulers of Japan). To decide the scope of the list, I've started a discussion at Talk:List of shoguns. All are welcome to participate. Fg2 (talk) 02:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Please let me join!
Im a new vnadal buster with an idea, look at it.--Milst Epja 02:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no formal joining process for 99.9 percent of the Wikiprojects. See WikiProject_Japan/Participants. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. As Zscout said, you need not but add your name to the participants list. Cheers, -- Mizu onna sango15 / 水 女 珊瑚15  05:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC).
 * Let's see... First, you will need some virgins blood for sacrifice, then you'll need a tengu's hauchiwa, then... Nah, kidding. Just hop aboard and start editing, and if you have questions/comments/help, this is the page to leave them. For starters, you could let us know about this idea you have :) TomorrowTime (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Nature photography
If anyone's interested in nature photography and enjoys library sleuthing, there's a puzzle just for you here. -- Hoary (talk) 14:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Mari; and thank you for your interest, Joe. -- Hoary (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Josei
A new editor keeps moving this to an incorrect article name. Please weigh in. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 15:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, which is the correct and which is the incorrect name, and why is this so? I'm confused... TomorrowTime (talk) 16:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * User:ChuChu is moving it to Josei Manga. (And he's done the same to shojo, seinen, etc.) See Talk:Josei; for time being, I've 3RR-warned him. Jpatokal (talk) 16:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The correct article name is Josei Manga, and so for the others. but I don't care anymore, keep it as you like. --ChuChu (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

American mutilation of Japanese war dead
I have created the article American mutilation of Japanese war dead. There have been requests for additional editors posted on the military topics portal, and to balance that I would like to see people more interested in "softer" issues to also contribute. Perhaps you may know of literature that those with "military" focus are not aware of.

2 good sources on the topic are.


 * Simon Harrison "Skull Trophies of the Pacific War: transgressive objects of remembrance" Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute (free download)


 * James J. Weingartner "Trophies of War: U.S. Troops and the Mutilation of Japanese War Dead, 1941-1945" Pacific Historical Review (available from JSTOR)


 * The May 22, 1944. Life Magazine "picture of the week" (Image)

Help getting more editors involved would be very much appreciated. Thank you kindly.--Stor stark7 Speak 14:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Usage of diacritics
Usage of diacritics is a proposal for a policy that would affect Japan-related articles. Interested editors are invited to the discusssion at Wikipedia talk:Usage of diacritics. Fg2 (talk) 21:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:FLRC of IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship
IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship has been nominated for the removal of its Featured list status. The discussion can be found at Featured list removal candidates/IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship. Regards, -- Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:13, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Hokkaidō Prefecture
What's up with the naming of these categories:
 * Category:Mountains of Hokkaidō Prefecture
 * Category:Geography of Hokkaidō Prefecture
 * Category:Visitor attractions in Hokkaidō Prefecture

I was going to rename them to remove the "prefecture" part, but then I noticed that there were a few categories named in the same way (although Category:Volcanoes of Hokkaidō is not). Is there a reason that "prefecture" is included in the category name? Douggers (talk) 01:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not too sure. I noticed a similar discrepancy when I saw Category:Geography of Tokyo (and similar categories) doesn't use the word prefecture. If these can get away with not using the prefecture, surely Hokkaido can too. --TorsodogTalk 01:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) says to leave out the prefecture for Hokkaidō. I vote remove "Prefecture".imars (talk) 06:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Lots more at Category:Hokkaidō Prefecture. It may be that when people create new categories they place them in Category:Hokkaidō Prefecture and use its name as a model. So renaming it would be a good start. I'd say remove "Prefecture" from all the Hokkaido categories.

Thank you everyone for your responses. It confirmed what I thought, so I'll get around to getting them all changed. Douggers (talk) 00:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I just found out that MOS-JA advocates the use of "Hokkaidō Prefecture," even though the link redirects to Hokkaidō. Does someone want to change that?


 * Anyway, I started the category renaming discussionhere. Leave your comments! Douggers (talk) 00:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And I've started the matching Manual of Style discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). Fg2 (talk) 02:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

There was some talk a while back about having or needing different articles for the prefecture and the island, although I don't remember well what we decided. I was probably supposed to do something that I ended up forgetting about. Dekimasu よ! 06:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 2853 articles assigned to this project, or 16.2%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-06-18.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 11:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

moved Seal (east Asia) to Seal (Chinese) over redirect
I contend that as an inkan is as much a Japanese phenomenon, "east Asia" is broader and more correct. Any thoughts? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please restate what you are asking as your sentence doesn't make a lot of sense. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's a bit of the article history:
 * (cur) (last) 10:17, June 28, 2008 Wengier (Talk | contribs) m (21,886 bytes) (→Other usage) (rollback | undo)
 * (cur) (last) 10:14, June 28, 2008 Wengier (Talk | contribs) (21,871 bytes) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 09:37, June 28, 2008 Wengier (Talk | contribs) m (moved Seal (east Asia) to Seal (Chinese) over redirect: The seals are in Chinese) (undo)
 * (cur) (last) 00:04, June 15, 2008 Kintetsubuffalo (Talk | contribs) m (moved Seal (Chinese) to Seal (east Asia): not just Chinese) (undo)
 * Chris wants the article Seal (Chinese) to have the title "Seal (East Asia)." Its origins were in China but seals have been in Japan since the Yayoi period and are in everyday use by the general populace. It makes sense for Wikipedia to cover the topic more widely than just China. Fg2 (talk) 21:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The title of this article should definitely not be Seal (Chinese). It seems to imply that the seal is only widely used in China, which is simply not true. --TorsodogTalk 04:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Chris wants the article Seal (Chinese) to have the title "Seal (East Asia)." Its origins were in China but seals have been in Japan since the Yayoi period and are in everyday use by the general populace. It makes sense for Wikipedia to cover the topic more widely than just China. Fg2 (talk) 21:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The title of this article should definitely not be Seal (Chinese). It seems to imply that the seal is only widely used in China, which is simply not true. --TorsodogTalk 04:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The title of this article should definitely not be Seal (Chinese). It seems to imply that the seal is only widely used in China, which is simply not true. --TorsodogTalk 04:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not about China, it's about Chinese characters. Let's continue this on Talk:Seal (Chinese). Jpatokal (talk) 07:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

"Shinjuku" versus "Shinjuku-ku", etc.
Not just the naming, also the concept. See this discussion -- and perhaps continue it here rather than there, as I think that the naming issue is secondary. -- Hoary (talk) 00:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)