Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/June 2011

Unreferenced BLPs - the final surge
Since early in 2010, many editors have assisted in the referencing or removal of over 90% of the Unreferenced Biographies of Living People, bringing the total down from over 50,000 to the current 4,861 (as of 16:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)). Thank you for all of the work you've done to date, but we are now asking for your help in finishing this task. There are two main projects which are devoted to removing UBLPs from en.Wikipedia:
 * WP:URBLP has set up a large number of topic based lists, which are updated each day by a WP:BOT. Your project's list is located at WikiProject Japan/Unreferenced BLPs and currently contains 81 articles.
 * WP:URBLPR is focusing on clearing out the backlog based on the month in which each article was tagged as being unreferenced. The current task is Category:Unreferenced BLPs from September 2009, and it is the last month remaining from 2009.
 * You can also reference a or make your own lists using one of the catscan tools, such as this search for |9&doit=1 Japanese actors.

All you have to do is pick your articles and then add suitable references from reliable sources and remove the BLP unsourced template. There is no need to log your changes, register or remove the articles from the list. If you need any help, or have any comments, please ask at WP:URBLPR or WT:URBLP.

Thank you for any assistance you can provide. The-Pope (talk) 16:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Openhistory
Why do so many (poor) articles cite "openhistory.org"? By definition openhistory.org is not a suitable or acceptable source for wikipedia. Essentially some random guy on the internet posted stuff to a website. That does not meet notability requirements or correct source requirements for wikipedia. Sgtkabuki (talk) 18:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to make a list of them, and then start working to fix them. That's what this project is about. If you don't want to fix them, then please at least make a list of the "so many (poor) articles)" so someone else can start working on them. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 07:29, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Special:Linksearch/www.openhistory.org lists pages which link to www.openhistory.org. As of writing, there are three Japan-related articles: History of Japan, Rangaku, and Kōichi Kido; and four Japan-related media: File:Oyama-jinja 004.jpg, File:Arashiyama 013.jpg, File:Wajima.jpg, and File:Oyama-jinja 004.jpg. --Kusunose 11:44, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. So, not so many after all. Feel free to help find better sources. The rest of us will see what we can do, too. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 16:15, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You should also check how the pages link to openhistory. In fact only Kōichi Kido lists openhistory under "References and external link". The other two articles only have it in "External Links" sections, which is much less serious. As for the images, they were taken from openhistory which is perfectly fine, unless you question that they depict what they claim to depict. bamse (talk) 19:44, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Hand fan importance
I'd like to evaluate the article on the Hand fan as Top importance. According to the article: Comments? Boneyard90 (talk) 11:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * "The folding fan was invented in Japan around the 6th to 8th century".
 * A Japanese monk presented folding fans (sensu) to the Emperor of China in the 10th century.
 * A Korean envoy introduced (Japanese) fans to the Chinese emperor in the 11th century
 * They became fashionable in China in the Ming Dynasty.
 * Later, European nations imported Japanese fans, where they became quite popular in the 18th and 19th centuries.
 * It was actually my edits. I don't know it should be evaluated to Top. However it should not be evaluated as low. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Look, just as there is notability as normal humans understand the word and wiki-notability, there is importance and wiki-importance. Have hand fans been parodied in The Simpsons? Do they regularly appear on Faux News? Have they been turned into a game that runs on PSP? Does Lady Gaga reference them? &para; Apropos of notability and importance and all that, did anyone else here notice this news (a hideously CSS-stripped version of which I've had archived here)? Yamamoto, many of whose extraordinary works I saw exhibited in Meguro last year or the year before, has no article in en:WP, and he appears to get a grand total of zero (0) mentions here. The recognition by UNESCO has been fairly big news in Japan, but I don't suppose that this has much influence. (Meanwhile, as for the excitement within en:WP over something similar, though one rung down, in the anglosphere, see all the responses here and here.) Uh, maybe I should go on a wikibreak. -- Hoary (talk) 11:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Apologies for somehow overlooking this. As for the questions posed by Hoary: Yes, I believe hand fans have been portrayed in The Simpsons, though I can't tell you which episode (I believe it has also been portrayed in Family Guy, if that helps]]; no, hand fans aren't a regular feature of Faux (Fox?) News; I'm pretty sure they are portrayed in some video games (I'm thinking Soul Calibre and/or Tekken); and last, I don't really pay much attention to Lady Gaga, but if she'd wear a meat-dress, why wouldn't she carry a hand-fan, if only to shoo away the flies. I must say, that's an interesting list of criteria you have for determining Wiki-importance. But forgive my density, I'm still not sure of your opinion regarding the Wiki-importance of Hand fan. Boneyard90 (talk) 17:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * In deference to the primary contributing editor, I'll rate the article High-importance. Boneyard90 (talk) 12:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also note: Some editors have challenged the claims made in the article, as written by User:Phoenix7777. See the Talk:Hand fan, comments near the bottom, and then please add references to the article. Boneyard90 (talk) 12:35, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Use of capitalisation / italics for tems such as Jōyō kanji
Hi, articles such as Jōyō kanji which refer to Jōyō kanji, Tōyō kanji and other similar terms currently use a random mixture of italics/non-italics, capitalised/non-capitalised and/or putting the terms in quotes. Does anyone have a view on what the preferred style should be? 86.160.218.185 (talk) 12:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * As non-English words that are not proper names, correct usage is lower case italics without quotes: jōyō kanji. Jpatokal (talk) 12:14, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I have made that article consistent. 86.160.86.247 (talk) 17:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Sources for civil war of Wa
The Civil war of Wa is mentioned in a number of old Chinese histories. To expand that article, I am looking for quotes from the following books that mention this war: Book of Liang, Book of Sui and the History of Northern Dynasties. These quotes are probably very short (a sentence or two each). Preferrably I am looking for English translations, though any other language I can make sense of (German, Spanish, Dutch, French, ....) is fine as well. The corresponding Japanese article has the quotes in Japanese, but I am looking for a reliable source and, as mentioned, ideally in English. Any help would be greatly appreciated. bamse (talk) 22:55, 17 June 2011 (UTC) Also, if somebody has access to this book and is interested in improving this article, that would be fantastic. bamse (talk) 22:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

FAR
nominated Felice Beato for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 20:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

International Space Station.
I believe The International Space Station(ISS) is of great importance to the Japanese people and should be included within the scope of WikiProject Japan. The Japanese Laboratory complex きぼう, Kibō received the good design award in 2010, from Ministry of International Trade and Industry of Japan.

I would like to improve the ISS and Kibō articles, but have not received a response to my request for images such as these (Marbling and Spiral top) from JAXA. My Japanese language skills are beginner at best, and if anyone could assist me to request, in a more respectful way than using English, for images to be released into the public domain I would be sincerely grateful.

The きぼう, Kibō article has not yet been rated for importance to WikiProject Japan.

I would ask for support to include the ISS article within WikiProject Japan.

Please echo responses here.

どうもありがとうございました  Penyulap   talk 00:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Murasaki Shikibu Debate
Concerning the article Murasaki Shikibu: I've been in a debate with editors who have wanted to remove the claim that she "is credited with writing the world's first novel", which may be factually inaccurate or need some qualifier, i.e. "first modern novel", "first psychological novel". The editors have attacked the credibility of sources provided, but have not provided any new sources to refute the claim either. One of their arguments (I think) is that The Tale of Genji wasn't known to Western authors and is therefore not a relevant claim as it did not influence the evolution of the novel centuries later. Please see Talk:Murasaki Shikibu. Thanks. Boneyard90 (talk) 13:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Genealogy of sinitic scripts
Genealogy of sinitic scripts has been nominated for deletion. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

International Space Station
nominated International Space Station for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Penyulap  talk 14:34, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wokou
Wokou is requested to be renamed to Wakō, see Talk:Wokou. This moves the article from the Chinese name to the Japanese name, for pirates of Japanese extraction who attacked Korea and China. The Korean term is Waegu. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 05:59, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * They also attacked Japanese, and sometimes Spanish and Portuguese, ships. Colincbn (talk) 15:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * To be a bit more precise, there is an ongoing rename discussion at Talk:Wokou as to whether the article should be renamed from "Wokou" to "Wako". If you are familiar with the topic, feel free to join the discussion. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 04:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Feel free to join it even if you are not familiar, as this is an encyclopedia anyone can edit. Colincbn (talk) 06:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)