Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan/Archive/March 2010

FLC of List of National Treasures of Japan (residences)
I invite comments, questions and suggestions for the featured list candidacy of List of National Treasures of Japan (residences). The nomination page can be found here. bamse (talk) 10:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The list has been promoted. Done. bamse (talk) 08:35, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Translation question
What is 十畳（床付） referring to the Shoin  of Ryōkō-in  (竜光院?)  (Daitoku-ji). Is it a ten tatami mat alcove? bamse (talk) 23:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A ten tatami mat with/plus an alcove room. Oda Mari  (talk) 06:25, 28 February 2010  (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks. Should I imagine the alcove to be the size of a tokonoma or could it be bigger? bamse (talk) 09:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry. My poor English! I mean "a ten tatami mat room with an alcove/tokonoma." The kanji 床 is a shortened form of 床の間/tokonoma and 付(き) means attached or with. Is this understandable? Oda Mari (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Very understandable, also your first reply. Must have been me sleeping to ask again. bamse (talk) 09:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Image id
Does this picture show the Kuroshoin (as indicated by the image description) or the Ōhiroma as written in the Nijō  Castle article? bamse (talk) 08:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems to be Kuroshoin because the Sliding Door Panels (Fusumae) called Ōkakijizu (桜花雉子図) can be seen at the room (with red tassel). See ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 09:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Good eye! Thanks. bamse (talk) 10:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Bukkake
There's a bizarre discussion going on at Talk:Bukkake about whether the claim that bukkake is an ancient Japanese ritual should be presented as unqualified fact. Additional comments would be welcome, and any solid references would be even better, although finding any on Google tends to be challenging to say the least... Jpatokal (talk) 09:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed a bizzare discussion. User: Atom seems to be intent on keeping the (granted, sourced, albeit shakily) citation, because the ancient (when exactly was "ancient" again?) Japanese were misogynists goddamit, and as such must surely have had bukkake humiliation rituals. TomorrowTime (talk) 19:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please do chip in on Talk:Bukkake as well as here. Oda Mari made a good start, but it's hard to prove a negative... Jpatokal (talk) 08:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Help with Daily Yomiuri sources
Does anyone know if there is an archive of past articles that appear on http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/? They have a lot of great English language info about the NPB and I would love access to past articles. Also, articles such as 2009 Japan Series use a lot of these articles and now they are all dead links. I can't imagine all of these articles are deleted completely, so... where are they? -- T orsodo g Talk 20:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, there are no archives (the newspaper doesn't keep any for some odd reason). It would be awesome if someone created a bot which browsed their site daily and archived the articles using a site like WebCite, posting the original URLs and the WebCite URL together on a page here. Maybe someone can make a request over at WP:BOTREQ. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * All Japanese news sites run by television networks and newspapers are pretty notorious for this, unfortunately. The Japan Times has a free 11-year archive of articles; if you don't mind a Japanese-language source, J-CAST has business and media-related articles with free archives going back several years. --armagebedar (talk) 00:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it annoys me to no end. Anyone up for proposing a bot task? It would be as simple as feeding a URL to the WebCite site, and then retrieving the archive URL once it's done. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:24, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Help with Anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea
I wonder if I am in the right place... Please read Talk:Anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea. I'm currently having a discussion. I think my version is much better than the current one but there is an editor who objects my idea. I think we need more people to solve this issue. Please come help us improve the page by making it more nutral.--Seven-Year Child (talk) 08:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Geisha and Japanese Women
I have prod-tagged this article as it would require a substantial rewrite to become encyclopedic, and does not have a raison d'etre. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Translation help again
I am stuck making sense of the following description of a katana at the Eisei Bunko Museum: 刀〈金象嵌銘光忠　光徳花押／生駒讃岐守所持〉（生駒光忠）. If I understand correctly, it has a gold inlay inscription/signature/mei: "光忠" = Mitsutada = name of swordsmith (?). It was owned by 生駒光忠 (=Ikoma Mitsutada?) who was governor of Sanuki province. Can somebody confirm this and what is the meaning of "光徳花押"? bamse (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm no expert but my understanding based on ja:光忠 and some online search is that 光徳花押 indicates the sword has some kind of signed (Kaō) certificate by a connoisseur (本阿弥)光徳. And for 生駒光忠 it is probably not the name of the owner but the name of the sword, taking the surname of the owner Ikoma Sanuki-no-kami and the name of the sword smith Mitsutada. Lastly the ja article says the gold inlay inscription was made by the connoisseur and not by the swordsmith himself. --Kusunose 08:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Kusunose is right. It's a blog though, but it says Ikoma Chikamasa was the owner of the katana. Oda Mari (talk) 14:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. bamse (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Location map Japan
If you want to merge Template:Location map Japan and Template:Location map Japan Okinawa you might want to look at the french templage fr:Modèle:Géolocalisation/Japon2. This template use the optimized geolocation code.

You sould try it.--Gdore (talk) 20:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Flag of Japan FAC
Flag of Japan has been nominated to be a featured article, and the review will expire soon. As this is within the scope of Wikiproject Japan, I have decided to notify you here. It is available at FAC NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 03:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It was promoted today. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:20, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Wokou
Can we get page protection for this one? There's a stupid IP edit war going on there. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 00:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that be at WP:RFP? —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 00:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. This is an inappropriate venue for this request, especially given the topic of the article. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The topic is Japanese, and I wanted others to see if they agreed before I sent it there. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:32, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, then you should have phrased it more like, "Do you think we should get protection on this one?" The phrasing you used made it appear that you were requesting page protection from someone here. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Open Source Conference Kansai@Kobe
Some Wikimedians including me will have a booth at Open Source Conference Kobe on March 13. Admission is free. The venue is near to Kobe Station (map). If you are around, feel free to drop a visit. See also http://www.ospn.jp/osc2010-kobe/ for further details. Cheers, --Aphaia (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Trains and companies
On the Japanese WP, it's normal to create separate articles for train lines and the companies that operate them, but this has generally been avoided on en-WP... until today, when Rinkai Line was separated from Tokyo Waterfront Area Rapid Transit for no immediately obvious reason. As the company exists solely to operate the line, I think this served no useful purpose, and should be reverted. See discussion on Talk:Tokyo Waterfront Area Rapid Transit, but I'd like to generalize the outcome of this into policy. (And to be clear, I'm referring only to the very common case of a 1-1 correspondence between a company and a single line, not large companies with multiple different lines like Tokyo Metro, Hankyu etc.) Jpatokal (talk) 10:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Ōura Cathedral
On Talk:Ōura Cathedral I proposed a move ... Ōura Catholic Church or its formal name. The current name could be kept as an redirect. Please give a look and input. Thanks. --Aphaia (talk) 18:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've started a merger discussion at Talk:Ōura Church. Please come participate. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Secret nuclear pact between the US and Japan
This appears to be a fairly big story in Japan. If someone wants to start an article on it, I'll help out. Cla68 (talk) 23:08, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * How would it be titled?
 * Would it be better suited for Wikinews?
 * NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 03:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There are related articles; Three Non-Nuclear Principles for nuclear pact and a Japanese article ja:西山事件 (Nishiyama incident, or Okinawa secret pact incident) for Okinawa reversion pact. -- Phoenix7777 (talk) 11:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Don’t forget the articles on "Japan's non-nuclear weapons policy" and peace nobel laureate Eisaku "Lyndon, please nuke China" Satō as well as the not-a-class-A-war-criminal Nobusuke "we’d build the bomb if we wanted to" Kishi who negotiated or rather rammed through ("Kill Kishi" which one extremist took too literally) the current security treaty. --Asakura Akira (talk) 14:00, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Meetup/Tokyo
I've made a meetup page for Tokyo for anyone interested in trying to setup a meetup. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Ameba (website)
Hi. I have turned down a speedy deletion request for Ameba (website), which has an Alexa rating in the 220s and appears to be one of the more popular websites in Japan - top 20 according to Alexa. I was hoping that someone might like to expand it and/or find some sources. I do not speak Japanese and have no knowledge of the website, so I am unable to do this myself. I appreciate any help that people may be able offer. Best wishes, Rje (talk) 02:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Japanese performing arts
I have nominated japanese performing arts, which is under the purview of this WikiProject, for renaming to performing arts in japan. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

a personal query
Hello all. This may not be completely appropriate for this page, but I suppose there is no harm in asking. If I'm violating some policy, feel free to delete this question.

The project I'm currently working at here in my homeland of Slovenia is slowly drawing to an end, and I'll be finding myself on the jobs market somewhere in the summer. I was considering going to work in Japan next. Does any of you guys know of any good jobs-in-Japan websites or some other resources? I don't mind Japanese language ones, in fact I'd prefer one like that - one thing I know is I don't want to teach English, and the English language sites seem to be over-flooded with nothing but ALT postings... Any help would be greatly appreciated. TomorrowTime (talk) 18:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oda Mari might be able to point you to some. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the websites, and had to G-search. I'm not sure if they are good, but how about these?, , , , and . Hope you can find something good. Oda Mari (talk) 08:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
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 * We already have a list here, and there are some of us working to source them as quickly as possible. You're welcome to create a new one, however, if you think it may be useful. It may list some we weren't aware of (especially more recent ones). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I am really glad your project has taken the initiative on this.
 * I will let you know when the bot has searched the correct category, the bot will search:  Okip   05:25, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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New article request
Where would I put article requests for creation? There was a famous Japanese star named Yohko Ishino (ja:石野陽子) - But I think she is still alive, and I can't find any info in English - Would someone who is very good at searching Japanese sites help make a short stub about her? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:48, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Requested articles would go here. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I just did a quick translation of the intro. There isn't much going on here, though it seems to make a point of her writing her name in hiragana rather than kanji. There's other text like her blood type, but I didn't think that particularly necessary. As to anything of actual substance, well... the ja article is lacking. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Photo permits
Concerning this edit, is it true that the Emperor grants permits to photograph inside the  hall? bamse (talk) 17:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I've never been there. ··· 日 本穣 ? ·  投稿   · Talk to  Nihonjoe 01:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it's not true. I called them. Oda Mari (talk) 04:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You called the Emperor :-o ? I undid the edit, since whether or not photography is allowed is not encyclopedic in my opinion and the rest  appears to be wrong. bamse (talk) 09:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha ha ha, no. I meant Sanjusangendo. Sorry, but I've been preoccupied with discussion here and here. Oda Mari (talk) 14:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Straw poll on ELG revision
There is now a straw poll at WT:ELG to decide on the proposed revision and renaming of WP:ELG. Imzadi1979 (talk) 02:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Requested move
Azumi Basin → Azumino/Azumidaira. The reasons: Azumino/Azumidaira is a proper noun, which should not be translated into English. Loch Ness is not translated as Lake Ness, nor is Tokyo translated as East Capital. (cf The Times Atlas of the World) Nobody recognizes the title Azumi Basin. Eb1099 (talk) 22:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree --MChew (talk) 16:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is most common: Azumino or Azumidaira? ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Azumino is definitely common nowadays. "Formerly called Azumidaira," the article says. But it should be noted that Azumino is now a redirect to the city of Azumino, Nagano. --Sushiya (talk) 14:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Reliable reviews for Japanese albums?
I've been trying, with no luck, to find reliable reviews for the album Supercell (album), so as to possibly get it up to GA, but as of right now, I have found none. I first tried looking at the GAs/FAs in WP:ALBUM/WP:SONG, but did not find any albums from Japanese musical groups, other than one or two for soundtracks from Japanese video games, which didn't help me. I also tried looking at WP:ALBUM/REVSIT, but found none that would cover Japanese bands. Considering the album was certified Gold in Japan, there must have been at least some reliable reviews of it, so I know they should be out there, but I need help in finding them. So, anyone got any suggestions/can you help me find some/should I just give up?--  十  八  01:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There are bound to be a large number in print magazines with reviews, but most (do any of them?) of them don't publish their reviews online. We need to find some people living in Japan who can look up things in magazines. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * About that, I was looking around and found ja:WHAT's IN?, published by Sony (Supercell's record label), and I found out that they were interviewed in the September 2009 issue, but I don't know if they reviewed the album in that issue (more likely there was a review of their debut single which was released in August 2009). The album didn't get Gold until June 2009, though, so it's possible they waited until the issue where they interviewed them, but that's just wishful thinking from me.--  十  八  01:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)