Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jazz/Archives/2009 1

Buckethead task force
WP:BH wants to expand into a real WikiProject and maybe include additional related artists in the future. See WT:BH for discussion. Any input welcomed! Happy new Headcheese!- hexa Chord 2  03:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Hothouse (jazz club)
Hi, just a note that I have created a stub article on the Hothouse jazz club, formerly in the South Loop, Chicago, which closed in 2007. Kind regards, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:19, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Archiving
Any objections to setting up automated archiving for this talk page? If there aren't, I can set it up. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any objections but I'm not sure that suffices as "consensus." -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I would just be bold and go ahead with it. I can't see any objection and to be honest, this talk page needed archiving long ago. --tgheretford (talk) 17:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Done. I have added ClueBot III's template, and (for now) I set the time interval to 1080 hours (45 days). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Jazz-music-project template
(Cross-posted to Template talk:Jazz-music-project) I noticed that the "album=" and "song=" categories had been removed from Jazz-music-project, which in turn led me to notice that Category:WikiProject Jazz album articles and Category:WikiProject Jazz composition articles had been blanked (i.e., removed from Category:WikiProject Jazz articles) and then subsequently deleted. I'm just wondering why this occurred (I can't find any relevant discussion). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have gone ahead and restored the sub-categories, and restored the parameters to the template. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

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Perpetuum Jazzile
Just pulled this out of the speedy deletion queue, but it needs help, check it out. - Dank (push to talk) 13:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

List of jazz standards (before 1930) peer review
Hi! I just added my name in the list of participants here. I'm currently working on the lists1,2,3,4 of jazz standards. I've left a request for peer review for List of jazz standards (before 1930) so if anyone would like to check the list out and give feedback on the peer review page I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Jafeluv (talk) 16:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Closed now. Thanks for your comments! Jafeluv (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Peter Fraize
This arricle has been nominated for deletion. The discussion can be found at Articles for deletion/Peter Fraize for members who wish to comment. Voceditenore (talk) 07:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thirteenth
Could some users able to cite sources pitch in on Thirteenth and Talk:Thirteenth. A users insists that straight-up thirteenth chords "don't exist". Hyacinth (talk) 05:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Clarinet
Hi, I would like to draw your attention to Template talk:Clarinet. Regards, BNutzer (talk) 17:46, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Reminder
Please remember that the WikiProject tag is called jazz-music-project. Jazz is the template that goes at the bottom of the article. Thank you. Jafeluv (talk) 08:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would recommend WPJazz or WP-Jazz; Fully willing to help rename; then re-tag (using AWB) -- Mjquin_id (talk) 04:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't creating a redirect from those titles be enough? A lot of people use WikiProject Jazz, anyway. Jafeluv (talk) 06:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Update: WPJazz already redirects to jazz-music-project. Jafeluv (talk) 08:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Reminder
Please remember that the WikiProject tag is called jazz-music-project. Jazz is the template that goes at the bottom of the article. Thank you. Jafeluv (talk) 08:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would recommend WPJazz or WP-Jazz; Fully willing to help rename; then re-tag (using AWB) -- Mjquin_id (talk) 04:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't creating a redirect from those titles be enough? A lot of people use WikiProject Jazz, anyway. Jafeluv (talk) 06:57, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Update: WPJazz already redirects to jazz-music-project. Jafeluv (talk) 08:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

100 Best Jazz Recordings
For what it's worth, the UK Daily Telegraph newspaper has released its list of 100 Best Jazz Recordings (link). I'm not sure whether this type of list is worthwhile, but there it is, in case anyone wanted to update an article with "The album is number x in the Daily Telegraph's list of 100 Best Jazz Recordings." -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The archives hold the previous inconclusive discussion around album lists and the arbitrariness of the existing List of jazz albums. The Telegraph article notes some of the same issues about out-of-copyright material being available in a "bewildering variety of permutations". It's got a better balance of 1920s-30s records than the existing List page - but after proclaiming "the shape of free jazz to come" at no 58 it doesn't look like the selector(s) wated to go further, leaving an awful big gap IMO. AllyD (talk) 19:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Ross Petot is at AfD
See Articles for deletion/Ross Petot, input needed from folks more expert in jazz than myself. J04n(talk page) 21:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Free jazz and Avant-garde jazz articles - opinions sought
These two articles appear to be telling the same story. Each has its strengths, each its weaknesses. Maybe the weaknesses are greater in the Avant-Garde article, in terms of historical breadth, sequence and the Notable Musicians list. But both have problems of missing citations. I'm curious about others' views on their merits and what if anything should be done to change and possibly combine them? AllyD (talk) 19:40, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking the two could be merged. Myself, I see free jazz (at least in hindsight) as a subset of avant-garde jazz, but that's just my opinion.  FWIW, my old All Music Guide to Jazz (1st ed., 1994) distinguishes between free jazz (which it fairly much equates with Coleman, Ayler, and Taylor), Chicago avant-garde (e.g. AACM) and New York avant-garde (e.g. Bill Frisell).  I am not sure what AMG online might have to say though personally I think they overcategorize things.  My $0.02. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 23:05, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Progressive jazz
This article has been carrying a Notability notice since April 09, with the editor adding the notice commenting "This article has no focus or merit". That seems a reasonable summary. It is also mentioned as a genre in the Jazzfooter Does anyone think it worth saving? And if so, would anyone care to actually put some content to it? AllyD (talk) 16:42, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems to be talking about two different things (which raises the question of how to re-direct this). It cites one source, The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia (via factmonster.com), that equates the term with cool jazz.  The other source specifies a style of Stan Kenton.  I admit I am only somewhat familiar with Stan Kenton but I have never seen him associated with cool jazz.  I suppose there is jazz that is not progressive but the term itself seems largely meaningless (and at best, extremely vague). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 22:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Removal of reviews from the album infobox
Hi, you may find the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums interesting. Cheers, BNutzer (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2009 (UTC)