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West Coast Gypsy jazz
I've PRODded the West Coast Gypsy jazz article. The article had been flagged in Sept. 2011 for having no references. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

George Benson: Jehovah's Witness?
Fresh eyes may prevent a fifth or sixth reversion. is a 14:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Cry Me a River
Interested editors are invited to discuss whether or not there should be a primary topic for "Cry Me a River". Talk:Cry Me a River. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Articles for Deletion

 * Articles for deletion/List of songs in Aebersold's "Play-A-Long" series. AllyD (talk) 17:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

About the article: Kiss Me, Kate (album):
Correction within this article is needed. "The Kiss Me, Kate (album)" Wikipedia article is identified as an album by Jo Stafford and Gordon MacRae and released on the Columbia Records label in 1949. However, the ACTUAL Kiss Me, Kate album by Jo Stafford and Gordon MacRae, with its own album cover, was released on the Capitol Records label in 1950. The album cover currently pictured on the "Kiss Me, Kate (album)" Wikipedia article is actually the album cover of the Kiss Me, Kate Original Broadway Cast album released on the Columbia Records label in 1949 (soon after the original Broadway opening). Jo Stafford and Gordon MacRae were not among the 1948 original cast and, therefore, are not on the original cast album which features Alfred Drake, Patricia Morison, Lisa Kirk and Harold Lang as the leads with the rest of the original cast members appearing in their respective roles on the album. This article needs to be corrected either by changing the album cover to show the actual Jo Stafford and Gordon MacRae Kiss Me, Kate album cover, or by changing the text to reflect the original Broadway cast who actually appear on the album currently pictured on the "Kiss Me, Kate (album)" Wikipedia article. ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by ALOHARONN (talk • contribs) 19:59, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * These comments would be better placed on the Talk:Kiss Me, Kate page and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musical Theatre as a related project. AllyD (talk) 06:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Jazz contrafacts
Bonjour à tous!

En parcourant la liste des nombreux standarts américains rejouée et renommés par divers grands musiciens, j'ai vu que le morceau "Celia" de Bud Powell est considéré comme une paraphrase sur "I got the rythm". Je me permet de vous dire que les accords de "Celia" ne sont pas les mêmes que ceux de "I got the rythm" donc on ne peut pas le considérer comme une paraphrase.

Bien amicalement,

Robin Nicaise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.22.92.34 (talk) 21:15, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


 * (I believe the above meant: "Looking through List of jazz contrafacts, I saw the piece "Celia" by Bud Powell is considered a contrafact of "I Got Rhythm." I would say that the chords of "Celia" are not the same as "I Got Rhythm" so it is not a contrafact.")
 * The best place for this would be at Talk:List of jazz contrafacts. Looking at some charts of this tune, I'm not quite sure "Celia" is based of off "I Got Rhythm". Eman 235 / talk  23:04, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Women in Jazz
Thought I would drop by and let this wikiproject know there's a page called Women in Jazz that sorely needs some work on it. I think many members would be interested in it. Cheers! Turn➦ 00:48, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Sade Adu listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Sade Adu to be moved to Sade. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Template:Allmusic listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Template:Allmusic to be moved to Template:AllMusic. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Jazz calender
I wondered if somebody would be interested in compiling a jazz calender of when festivals are typically held. It would be good to see what the options are over the year period and what is held in each month etc.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:10, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

 * Articles for deletion/Okuden Music AllyD (talk) 19:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Gail Jhonson AllyD (talk) 20:00, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bop rock and Bop metal


The articles Bop rock and Bop metal have been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Appear to be neologisms. No sources, and nothing that isn't already covered in Jazz fusion (or the Jazz-rock section therein). These could each be turned into redirects to that article, except that the terms aren't really used in any notable context.

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Please consider improving the articles to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Gyrofrog (talk) 20:07, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Fair use for music score of jazz standards?
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I've been adding a few excerpts of jazz standard scores with Lilypond - for example Giant Steps. A few questions:


 * 1) Is what I'm doing so far ok, within fair use?
 * 2) Would it be ok to include the whole standard?

Jazz standards seem a bit tricky because the difference between "the composition" and "the recording" is enormous, and is where much (most?) of "the art" is. Stevage 15:24, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I would agree with you that the recording is where most of the art it, but Copyright Laws Must Be Followed, and a lead sheet is therefore copyright infringement unless licensed. I'd say that the first four bars of a tune is acceptable -- we have audio clips of copyrighted songs elsewhere.
 * But the whole tune would not be acceptable, unless it was PD. Eman 235 / talk  15:45, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Keith Jarrett: citations/verification
There are a multitude of problems with references, important facts which are unverified, quotations with no inline citation, opinions from sources which are not named or referenced. An artist of the caliber of Keith Jarrett should be presented according to the guidelines including WP:VER. Of course, all content must be referenced, however it is even more important on a high volume article such as this. One editor has already made a start, to his credit.  CaesarsPalaceDude  (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Jazz standards
A severe lack of quality articles on jazz standards. Some of the really core ones like Body and Soul, Summertime, Autumn Leaves, Night and Day, On Green Dolphin Street, Stella by Starlight etc should really be up to GA standard by now.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:00, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Eh...SOFIXIT? I do agree, these articles could use much improvement, and I've been meaning to do something for a while now. Nature Boy is the only one I can think of that's gotten to GA. Eman 235 / talk  19:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You misunderstand what I'm saying. It's an attempt to attract to people to help me improve some of them, not trashing the articles of the project.. I think Body and Soul really needs to be brought up to GA status in particular.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd be glad to help, though I've never done a GA before. Perhaps would be interested as well?  Eman 235 / talk  19:16, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Dr. Blofeld and I had a brief discussion of jazz standards a few months ago on my talk page. I'm concentrating on pianists for now (or will be when I have time), but could help out a little, probably more with suggestions and prose editing to prepare for GAR rather than adding much content. EddieHugh (talk) 13:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

I might consider getting a copy of this, that might help some of the articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Speaking of which, I happen to have a copy of this, which will probably come in useful.
 * How do you plan to begin improving "Body and Soul"? Eman 235 / talk  02:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)