Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Archive 14

Hongcheonsa
Is this best spelling for the article? Ji-soo Seo (talk) 01:03, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Most often articles about South Korean subjects are titled using the Revised Romanization of Korean, so in this case the article should probably be titled "Heungcheonsa". I've done a search for the 2 names and there are a lot more sources that use this revised spelling. I think those are 2 good reasons to rename the article. Cheers, Ry's the Guy  (talk&#124;contribs) 08:22, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Per RR, It is Heung, not Hong. Hong is for 홍, and 흥 is for Heung. &mdash; regards, Revi 12:12, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Per lack of response, I moved it. &mdash; regards, Revi 01:13, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * And which would be the correct interwiki? ko:흥천사 극락보전 or ko:흥천사 명부전? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:42, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Both are incorrect. Both kowiki articles refer to monuments in the temple, not the temple itself. &mdash; regards, Revi 10:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Merge request - Draft:Mid 1950s Purge of Soviet Koreans and August Faction Incident
I left a merge request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/North Korea, but I see that the the project is inactive. There's material and references in the history of the above draft which should be added to the mainspace article, while including the name of the draft's creator in the edit summary. Is there someone who would like to take this on?&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 11:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

What magazine/book is this from?
Hi, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but I'm wondering if someone could tell me where this interview with pro gaming team SK Telecom T1 is from, thanks a bunch.--Prisencolin (talk) 00:52, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried to find this one but the most I could get is some translations of the questions and answers and it wan't clear exactly who did the translations or what the magazine was from.  Peachywink (talk) 07:14, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You are looking for this. Company news SK 2015-12. &mdash; regards, Revi 07:33, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Names of Queens and concubines
Hi everyone! Happy new year! I think the project should reach a conclusion about the names of Korean queens and concubines. I think a lot of people misunderstand these and take these as personal names. Let's clear it up, Hui-bin Jang is not a personal name, as in Margaret Taylor is. Hui-bin is not her first name. Hui-bin is a title, bin is a first tier concubine and Hui is basically just an adjective. Would be something like calling Elizabeth II as "Righteous Queen". It is an adjective+a noun combination, not a name. I think it is confusing that it is written with a dash, and given captial letters. My suggestion would be to redirect such articles to less confusing terms, or find some other solution that would make it clear: this is not a name.

Possible solutions I can suggest: Jang Huibin was a concubine of...
 * Redirect Hui-bin Jang to Jang Huibin, put template in the article, something like this:


 * Drop huibin from the article title and rename to Jang concubine. In the article body explain what huibin means. In case of similarly named concubines, disambiguation can be done, eg. Jang concubine (XY's wife) or Jang concubine (date of birth-death).

In case of queens it is a little more ambiguous, since Posthumous names are used, so those are fine. But for queens who were not given posthumous names, they were addressed by their title, which is similar to concubines just ending in -bi and not -bin.

The Korean system is very different of the Western practice, so I understand it brings confusion. It should definitely be cleared up. What do you think? Teemeah 편지 (letter)  11:43, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello. Here are my opinions, as requested. 1. Using 'first name', 'last name' in the present context is rather confusing. In Sin Yun-bok, the first part of the name is Sin, and therefore is a family name while the second part of the name is Yun-bok, and therefore is a given name. Obviously, we have to deal with the strange English custom of scrambling everything and pretending that the second part of a name is the first name. 2. Therefore parsing Hui-bin Jang as given=Hui-bin, family=Jang is nothing but another occurence of English speaking ignorance/arrogance. 3. When using Queen Elisabeth, nothing is done to prevent the parsing family=Queen, given=Elisabeth or family=Elisabeth, given=Queen. The reader is supposed to know that Queen is a title. 4. The correct parsing of Hui-bin Jang is title=Bin, given(by the King)=Hui, clan=Jang. Here, the concept of 'family name' is irrelevant, since a concubine was extracted from her former family and was imported, in a way or another, into the royal family. Here, Jang is 장씨, not 장. 5. The title of a page is the common name. Not to be changed even if stupid: Hui_bin Jang-ssi would be far better. But this is not the common name. 6. The name given at childhood (by a father to her daughter) is another thing. Most of the time, this name is unknown. 7. IMHO, the best method to address the situation is a template, similar to Korean name, placed at the top of the page, giving discretly the correct parsing, i.e. title=Bin, given(by the King)=Hui, clan=Jang. Cheers. Pldx1 (talk) 14:16, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I know these, you know these, but the general audience does not. Queen is an English word, huibin is not an English word that they would recongise. (Clan names essentially function as last names, as people were known by their clan names, and that's what the modern last name system developed out of. But that part is a nuance.) Right now the articles look like to general readers not familiar with Joseon customs that these women had first name-last name combinations. I had an editor in my home wiki who constantly repeated these in related articles as first names, for example. If a template solution is used, I am fine with it, but we need to construct it meaningfully and discuss how it should look like. :)


 * Maybe something like that would result in:
 * Jang is a clan name, Huibin is a title for concubines.
 * → Jang is a clan name, Pyebi is a title for demoted queens.


 * Or any other suggestion? Teemeah 편지 (letter)  08:28, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Song Yoo-geun (2nd nomination)
Song Yoo-geun page has been nominated for deletion again. Please contribute to the discussion if you wish. 웃웃 (talk) 15:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

AfC submission
Any thoughts on Draft:Park Cho-rong? Best, FoCuS contribs ;  talk to me!  15:50, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can't have her group's work on the page, such A-pink's albums. Her solo work is all that should be on the page so focus on things like her acting and find enough sources to prove she has individual notability outside of being a member of the group.  I hope this doesn't sound mean, I'm just warning you since this the exact reason Minzy from 2NE1 does not have her own page. Peachywink (talk) 03:37, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I noticed one more thing. At least 6 of your sources come from unreliable sites (imdb, allkpop, soompi all state that information they put out may not always be true.) so that brings down the credibility of everything on the page.  I think Hancinema and Jpopasia are also unreliable but I'm not sure for those sites. Peachywink (talk) 04:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Request
In Her Place, a Korean-language Canadian film made in 2013, garnered Canadian Screen Award nominations for all three of its stars — two in the category of Best Actress and one in the category of Best Supporting Actress. I'm currently in the process of trying to get the remaining redlinks in those articles filled in, on the principle that a nomination for that award is a valid WP:NACTOR pass, but since virtually all of the potential sources for all three of them are in Korean rather than English I'm relatively stymied on those three in particular.

For just one example of the problem, there are two separate IMDb profiles for actresses named "Ji-hye Ahn", one of which lists several Korean film credits, while the other lists only the Canadian film — but I can't read any source which would clarify whether these are actually two different actresses with the same name, or whether IMDb just messed up and the profiles need to be merged. As well, since all the Canadian Screen Award coverage gives her name as "Ahn Ji Hye" rather than "Ji Hye Ahn", I don't even really know which one is actually the correct form of her name under Wikipedia's naming conventions for Korean names, and I really don't want to risk screwing that up. And both of the other two actresses have the same "order of names" conflict between their IMDb profiles and the CSA sources too (although neither of them has the double profile issue to deal with.)

The film already has an article in Korean at ko:인 허 플레이스, and while I can't read that either I can guess from the structure of the article (presuming that the first subsection is a cast list) that these actresses all already have articles too.

So I wanted to ask if somebody with Korean language skills would be willing to help create at least a brief stub on each of these three actresses, so that they can be bluelinked in In Her Place, 3rd Canadian Screen Awards, Academy of Canadian Cinema and Television Award for Best Performance by an Actress in a Leading Role and Academy of Canadian Cinema and Television Award for Best Performance by an Actress in a Supporting Role. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello? Bearcat (talk) 21:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's good that you're trying to find sources that would clear up whether these two profiles are the same person or not - especially since IMDb isn't a source you can use WP:CITEIMDB. As for the name, our naming convention (WP:MOSKOREA) mandates "Ahn Ji-hye". Ahn is the family name, which goes first, Ji-hye is the given name, and should be hyphenated and the second syllable left uncapitalized. I'm afraid I can't help more than that, since I don't read Korean either and the topic is outside my expertise too. You can try some people in the category: Category:Translators ko-en. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:55, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I was able to determine that the following IMDB pages all belong to Yoon Da-gyeong (ko:윤다경). Similarly, the links  and  both belong to Gil Hae-yeon (ko:길해연). I'm not sure about the Ahn Ji-hye IMDB pages, though (I found 3). Finnusertop is right about following the naming conventions. As you can see, there are a number of ways Korean names can be romanized, so it's helpful to stick to a standard.  Ry's the Guy  (talk&#124;contribs) 10:27, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Min-goo or Min-koo?
The current South Korean Minister of National Defense, Han Min-goo (한민구) has his name anglicized as Han Minkoo by the Republic of Korea Ministry of National Defense, as Han Min-koo by the U.S. Department of State and variously as Min Goo Han, Minkoo Han and Han Min-koo by the U.S. Department of Defense. Which form is preferred in English Wikipedia? And how can reader confusion be reduced? – Maliepa (talk) 13:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello. We have: Conclusion: DoD discarded as ignoramus, and http://www.mnd.go.kr/mbshome/mbs/mnd_eng/subview.jsp?id=mnd_eng_010101000000 discarded as "identity card exception". Everywhere else, mnd.go.kr uses Han Min-koo, like in: http://www.mnd.go.kr/user/boardList.action?command=view&page=1&boardId=O_47261&boardSeq=O_127683&titleId=&siteId=mnd_eng&id=mnd_eng_030100000000 Cheers ! Pldx1 (talk) 12:56, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2016/01/113_195857.html
 * http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2016/01/19/0200000000AEN20160119006051315.html
 * http://soha.vn/quoc-te/bo-truong-qp-han-quoc-tuyen-bo-soc-20160108201506166.htm
 * http://atimes.com/2016/01/seoul-eyes-new-security-options-after-north-koreas-h-bomb-test-chinas-inaction/
 * http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2016/01/12/2016011202071.html
 * http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article150540446/Kim-Jong-un-baut-Nordkorea-ein-Silicon-Valley.html
 * http://www.lemonde.fr/asie-pacifique/article/2016/01/08/tensions-a-la-frontiere-coreenne-apres-la-reprise-des-emissions-de-propagande-de-seoul_4843623_3216.html

I really dislike this system of spelling people's names according to whatever source, even if it is a ministry's website... This just adds to the confusion of romanization of Korean names. Korean names (with the exception of artist names where the artist's name appears on product cover, and can be considered a trademark, like Daesung) should be romanized according to the officially accepted romanization system of the ROK, and that is Revised Romanization and this person's name should be written as Han Mingu. All other forms can be created as redirects, so people who read news articles can find by that spelling. This trying to find sources for spelling is ridiculous. Koreans are notorious for using incredibly mixed and sometimes straight nonsense Latin spellings. An encyclopedia should follow some set of fixed rules and unified naming, not ad-hoc "however XYZ wants to write it" rules. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  21:58, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Dear User:Teemeah. The spelling of the South Korean Minister of National Defense is decided in South Korea. I am not saying that Ashton Carter or Ursula von der Leyen or Sergueï Choïgou are bad looking spellings, but it seems that South Koreans have chosen Han Min-koo. What can be objected to that ? Pldx1 (talk) 23:42, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Not South Koreans chose it, someone who made the content of that website chose to romanise it that way. The officially accepted romanisation system of the ROK is Revised Romanisation, everything else is just made up by individuals. --Teemeah 편지 (letter)  07:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * They romanise street names and building names and everything else according to RR and yet we insist that the people name romanisation can be ad-hoc, because one person chooses to use this set of letters and the other prefers another set of letters. You really don't see the discrepancy here? An encyclopedia should have uniform writing systems for non-Latin languages. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  07:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

The Revised Romanization of 한민구 is Han Min-gu. Please see also
 * Manual of Style/Korea-related articles
 * There are cases in which the romanization differs from the common name used in English sources. As this is the English-speaking Wikipedia, use the name most common in English sources.


 * Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)
 * Personal, organization, and company names should generally be romanized according to their common usage in English sources. If there is no established English spelling, then Revised Romanization should be used for South Korean ...
 * ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 08:39, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Answer for your question : In Korea, most people use their English name like Min Goo Han. Capital for first word and family name in the last.


 * Also the question you asked, Min Goo or Min Koo, we use both notation in Korea. For example Lee & Rhee, Jun & Joon, Suk & Seok, Sin & Shin, Gang & Kang etc. So you can write in both ways. Koreans can understand whatever you write.

--Somde123 (talk) 03:39, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * According to Korean orthography, Min-gu is right. But in ROK Army site, they use 'Min-Koo'. http://www.mnd.go.kr/mbshome/mbs/mnd_eng/subview.jsp?id=mnd_eng_010101000000 --Ji-soo Seo (talk) 03:47, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * this problem comes from that the people in the world use another language.

First name 한 is Han but his first name 민구, "민" Is "min" but "구" can pronounce many way "Gu, Koo, Ku" because in Korean language system the pronounce of "Gu, Koo, Ku" hear like same  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berlinuno (talk • contribs) 07:49, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

need help with unreadable translation
The article Yun Chi-wang was so badly mangled it could scarcely be called English. I've cleaned it up as much as I can, partly on the basis of the Simple English page and partly from what I can get out of the article itself; I don't read Korean, Japanese, or any Chinese language. See Talk:Yun Chi-wang. Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 15:49, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Korean-language sources for webtoons?
I was wondering if anyone here is aware of Korean-language sources that discuss webcomics. I know Korean webcomics (webtoons) have a large popularity in South-Korea, and I can't imagine there not being any Korean publications reviewing or describing them. Online sources would be preferred, but I'd be happy just knowing such magazines exist. For more details on what the issue is, see this thread over on the Webcomics WikiProject. ~ Mable ( chat ) 11:58, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I found two websites that may be of use, but do not know if they are reliable. It would be difficult for me to tell, as I can't read the language. Any input would be great :) ~ Mable ( chat ) 12:08, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * There are many websites related to megazine about webtoon of south korea.
 * 1. www.cartoonkorea.kr
 * 2. webzine.sangsangmadang.com
 * This two website show for you a host of column about webtoon and original page. but unfortunately, this website not provide to specific translation other language. Im sorry to show more helpful information ;(

--Jeje1991 (talk) 03:29, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Korean webtoons are very sensitive culture of teenagers so the languages in korean webtoons come from newly coined words and internet languages what made from korean young generation. There are many web-sites that created and used newly coined words, for example DC-inside.--Beatlehoon (talk) 03:36, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I think you can find more well-made webtoons from Korean portal sites. I write Korean portal's webtoon sites bottom.
 * http://comic.naver.com/index.nhn
 * http://webtoon.daum.net/#day=thu&tab=day
 * http://comics.nate.com/webtoon/?category=2
 * http://webtoon.olleh.com/web/main.kt --Gong Ju-young (talk) 04:18, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the input! Cartoonkorea.kr seems to be a portal, like Naver and Daum: I haven't been able to find any meaningful information for Wikipedia on it. Sangsangmadang.com is amazing, and it has a lot of good content that may be valuable for Wikipedia. I haven't been able to find the kind of thing I'm looking for, though: none of these websites have news or reviews for the webtoons we have on Wikipedia. (or at least, I can't find them)
 * I am looking around the Internet some more and have found some success with the Korean Google News, but again, thank you :) ~ Mable ( chat ) 07:43, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

"Minjoo Party" naming issue
Hi all, could an independent editor have a look at the disputes going on at Talk:The Minjoo Party of Korea, Template:South Korean political parties, and Template:Parties in the South Korean National Assembly? On the latter two, my reasoning for using (the admittedly ugly) "Minjoo of Korea" rather than (the equally ugly) "The Minjoo" as the short form is that, regardless of the page title adopted, the latter doesn't adequately distinguish from the other Minjoo Party, given that both of them are referred to as "the Minjoo Party". I reverted twice on the latter two since the other user didn't respond to my reasoning, but won't do so again without an third opinion. Thanks. — Nizolan  (talk) 04:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Korea/Popular pages
Is there any reason this is not linked anywhere from the front page of this project? Any objections to me adding this? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:39, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea to add it. Random86 (talk) 05:10, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No objections. &#9780; Jaewon &#91;Talk&#93; 14:28, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

North Korean navy flag
Please provide input at Template talk:Country data North Korea. --Izno (talk) 16:08, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

List of islands of Korea / List of islands of South Korea
I agree we should merge something - but which direction? Have one article for landforms of both Korea or separate them? This is also something to consider and standardize across other Korean landorm lists of articles. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:49, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello. We should have a sortable List of notable islands in both Koreas, with at least the name and the province in hangul and their relevant Romanizations. Something like Korean_Buddhist_temples. When one only has an uncertain romanization, using hangul is the only way to be sure. Cheers. Pldx1 (talk) 15:19, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Quick question for confirming a translation
Two and a half weeks ago, I nominated Welcome to Convenience Store for "Did You Know" on the main page. It hasn't had a single review since, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is because the hook is sourced through Korean-language websites. I was wondering if anyone here could quickly check if one or both of these two sources state that this is the "first web animation based on a webtoon". I minor true/false note on the nomination page should help future reviewers a ton :) I translated these two sources through Google Translate, so I can't be 100% sure if my conclusion is correct. ~ Mable ( chat ) 13:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Consolidating political parties
(Not related to the boring naming dispute I mentioned here a couple weeks ago, don't worry)—While browsing I noticed that thanks to the continual reshuffling of political parties in South Korea there's an endemic problem where there are lots of very short articles on political parties that don't have time to develop before the respective party splits/renames once again, a new article starts and the old one gets forgotten. Examples on the liberal side are the articles for Minjoo Party of Korea, Democratic Party (South Korea, 2011), Uri Party, etc: instead of a single article presenting coherent and detailed information like in many other countries you get a series of short, decontextualised articles.

Another problem is that it's not entirely clear to me what the criterion is for judging whether to simply move the relevant page to a new name when a party changes or to start a new page. The Minjoo Party of Korea article is separate from Democratic Party (South Korea, 2011), but arguably the Saenuri Party could be considered separate from the Grand National Party for the same reason, since other parties merged into it at the same time as the rename—but they don't have separate pages.

I feel like it would definitely be better to have the relevant information consolidated in one place regarding the different sets of parties (conservative, liberal, etc.). But does anyone have any ideas on what the best way to go about this would be? I know there's a conservatism in South Korea page which goes some way towards doing this; should we keep the short party articles while pointing readers to the longer in-depth articles on conservatism and liberalism in South Korea or what? Maybe use series infoboxes? — Nizolan  (talk) 23:36, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Hell Joseon, Chosun or Korea?
Like it or not, the buzzword Hell Joseon seems notable, so I subbed it. But I am not sure which of the three names would be best? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:27, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Joseon/Chosun seem to be roughly equal in popularity (102 ghits for "Hell Joseon", 119 for "Hell Chosun" and 85 for "Hell Korea"). I would keep it at Hell Joseon as the Revised Romanization per MOS:KOREA. Thanks for the article, it is definitely a notable topic. — Nizolan  (talk) 04:38, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Korea/Article alerts
This is another useful tool that I'd suggest transcluding on the project's front page. See how it is implemented on WP:POLAND for comparison. Any objections, comments? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No objections. I have it on my watchlist; it's very useful. Random86 (talk) 03:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Need help with Draft:Disability in North Korea
I have just started a new article draft Draft:Disability in North Korea. It is one of a series of "state of the nation" overview articles about disability in each of the world's countries being created by WikiProject Disability. To get it started I have simply copied relevant sections from Human rights in North Korea and North Korea at the Paralympics so that I can "process" the information into a format suitable for this article. The aim is to have an article similar to Disability in the United Kingdom, Disability in South Africa, Disability in China or Disability in Costa Rica. I am aware that information about social conditions and domestic policy in the DPRK is hard to find and often of doubtful reliability, so here I am looking for help to find good sources and filter out the bad ones. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * PS A similar article about South Korea is also on the "to do" list. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice job, your article is totally ready to be moved to main space. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 02:55, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I came here for assistance and advice, not sarcasm. The draft is nowhere near ready. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 05:22, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Notification of RFC for Korean MOS in regard to romanization
Should we use McCune-Reischauer or Revised for topics relating to pre-1945 Korea? Those inclined, please contribute here. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 03:18, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject South Korean template
I just redirected Template:WikiProject South Korea to Template:WikiProject Korea, based on the related discussions in Archive 13. The template is still in use on hundreds of pages, and some of them now have duplicate templates. I can put in a bot request to fix this, but wanted to make sure there aren't any objections. In the older discussions, there was mention of creating a South Korea working group parameter in the template, which is also an option. I personally don't think this is necessary since WikiProject Korea/South Korea is inactive. Random86 (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * No objections. The same goes for Template:WikiProject North Korea. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:28, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

copyediting of WikiProject Korea/Redlist
I've restructured the page, merging a number of smaller lists of Korea-themed requested articles into one. Feel free to copyedit it further, in particular removing blue links as fulfilled requests, adding links to Korean Wikipedia articles for translation when possible, and so on. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Choga-jip interwiki links
A new stub by my students was connected to ko:초가 which previously linked to Thatching. Now, perhaps we changed the interwiki link incorrectly - can someone check this and fix the interwiki if we erred during the class? I think, checking the terminology and translations, that we messed up when we changed the interwikis here, but that would mean that mean Korean wiki has no entry for "Choga-jip"? It seems notable for a stand-alone article.... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:12, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * An error occurred while saving.png means a house with a straw-thatched roof. 'Choga-jip' is said the same thing over again because 'Ga' and 'Jip' mean a house. I think 'Choga-jip' should be included 'Choga' but I don't know how to change the interwiki link....I need your help.;-(Gong Ju-young (talk) 13:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)


 * One week has passed, and we still need input and help from Korean speakers. I can fix the wikidata links, but I need a clear comment on where should they point to. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:12, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Unnecessary project pages?
I just discovered WikiProject Korea/Seoul (created by in January 2015) and WikiProject Deletion sorting/South Korea (created by  in October 2015). Both of these seem very unnecessary to me. Seoul was never added as an official taskforce in Template:WikiProject Korea, and WikiProject Deletion sorting/Korea doesn't have enough activity for a spin-off deletion sorting category in my opinion. Does anyone agree/disagree?

Also, mentioned archiving and redirecting Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/South Korea. I think that is a good idea, but I'm not sure how to do that. Random86 (talk) 23:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think ALL of those task forces should be piped through here. We did it years ago with WP:POLAND, we had geography, history and other taskforces - and nobody caring for them. I think it's the same here, I doubt any task page has more then one fan if they are active at all. There's just not enough active volunteers to support anything above a country-level discussion; even the USA one is struggling with individual states. How to close them? Take a look at WikiProject Geography of Poland for example.Mark main pages with historical or or such, post a notice "This project is inactive. For better response, please post at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Korea." or such on the talk  page, probably using a more visible template like notice. To make it more clear the talk page is not used, it could be moved to an archive like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography of Poland/Archive1. Another way this could be done would be to move such pages to archives, but then instead of leaving a notice to direct talk here, just redirect them; this is how we handled the old split with "Poland-related Wikipedia notice board". The archives could be then linked from the top of this page. See how the archives at WT:POLAND look like. Oh, on that note, I suggest redirecting Korea-related topics notice board to WP:KOREA, it's talk page fortunately already does just that. Bottom line - archive, mark as inactive and redirect all those subpages to WP/WT:KOREA. We need to centralize what little activity we have (on Korean topics) in one place where people can reasonably expect that someone will answer. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  06:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree about taskforce cruft, with the exception of WikiProject Korea/North Korea. The subject matter is clearly differentiated, we have maintenance tasks that are specific to the project, have active contributors, and maintain a fairly active Portal:North Korea. It would be awfully weird for an entire country not to have even a taskforce when the rule is that most have full-fledged projects. That being said, we don't have or need separate processes for everything, like deletion sorting. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, considering that there are 1) no NK Wikipedians and 2) Korea split creates a weird situation on many levels I think it is best to channel or NK discussions/organizations here, until such a time (unlikely to happen) that NK discussions form a sufficient proportion here that we decide to split them off. For practical reasons, really, I think it's fine to discuss SK and NK here. They are both, after all, under aegis of this project. What benefit do we have from having a NK taskforce? I say it is just creating an under-used, semi-forgotten discussion space, which means some people may go there, ask questions on NK they could ask here and get quicker replies if they did so. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Problems with image of Sejong the Great
Please see. Can anyone confirm this image is PD and provide missing information before we lose one and only image depicting this figure on Commons (outside photos of the sculpture, themselves problematic given the state of freedom of panorama in Korea, but that's an unrelated issue to this request). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * See Kim Gi-chang. Pldx1 (talk) 07:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * As in - a red link? I am not sure I follow. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Copyright tags for Korean images
Please see a related discussion at commons:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:35, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-Assessment of Unassessed Articles
A bot that would inherit assessments from other WikiProjects that have given Unassessed Korea-related articles a rating has been approved (User:BU RoBOT/autoassess).

The bot is currently opt-in only and is pioneered by projects that are few in number but weigh in with scope. Namely Wikipedia's biggest project WikiProject Biography has approved the bot and so far no problems have been reported. WikiProject Korea's assessment scheme is as standard as it gets and has no disputes. It would benefit from auto-assesment since its most pressing problem is a backlog of 1,281 and counting unassessed articles.

Should WikiProject Korea opt-in to have Unassessed Korea-related articles automatically assessed if another project has given them a rating? Please indicate your support or opposition below. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. It's a good idea. I'd also like to request this to be suggested on WT:POLAND. Cheers, --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. The bot will avoid rating articles that have conflicting assessments (e.g. B class from WikiProject 1 and C class from WikiProject 2). This is a good feature and will result in very few inaccurate assessments. This would be otherwise be long and monotonous work that would be of scarcely higher quality than the bot. Tonystewart14 (talk) 09:58, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. This is a great way to reduce the backlog. Random86 (talk) 02:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Changes to project banner
It's been a few years since this project's main image was changed (back on 4 May 2014 to be exact) so it seems like we're long overdue to update the project banner. I've sandboxed the necessary changes, this is how the updated banner would look:

Can I also suggest adding support for Draft-Class? There are dozens of Korea-related article drafts, so allowing draft in the banner would give the project a better means of tracking them. Would anyone object to making these changes? PC78 (talk) 03:02, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't object to the change. The more I look at it, the more it grow on me. It's like us as a whole are carrying the WikiProject to success. &#9780; Jaewon &#91;Talk&#93; 21:40, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Change has been made. Korea-related drafts can now be found at . PC78 (talk) 23:54, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Sourcing issues at Korean influence on Japanese culture
Could we please get some eyes on Korean influence on Japanese culture? Numerous sourcing issues have been raised on this very sensitive topic. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Help me translate
Hello, can somebody translate this (가요순위건) please? It appears on an old chart positions page from MIAK. Raykyogrou0 ( Talk ) 04:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know very much Korean, but 가요 is "song" (referring to pop music) and 순위 means "ranking" (as in, a record chart). Random86 (talk) 02:53, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Raykyogrou0 ( Talk ) 09:37, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Igong Maji
I stumbled across this article, which is very poorly referenced. At first I thought it might be a hoax, as there's not even a interwiki link to a Korean language page, but the article creator seems to have been a solid Wikipedian. Could someone help reference it? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that it's not a hoax; the existing reference seems to be an encyclopedia entry from the Academy of Korean Studies, and the content of the reference corresponds with the content of the article.  KJ  Discuss? 09:18, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Are there any other sources anywhere? Could it be a fictitious entry? ~ Mable ( chat ) 09:26, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * This is helpful stuff, thanks. Is there anything in Korean Wikipedia (I presume it exists, forgive me if I'm using the wrong term for a language/s) --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a couple of sources I found with a quick Naver search: 1 an entry from the Digital Local Culture Encyclopedia of Koream, 2 a mention from the website hosted by National Folk Museum of Korea, 3 a mention in the book 우리 꽃문화 답사기. Doesn't look like there's anything in the Korean Wikipedia though.  KJ  Discuss?  11:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There are several Korena language references, reliable ones. They should be put into the article. Not having an article in kowiki means nothing, they donát have a lot of articles on several topics yet. :) I wrote articles in huwiki on Korean topics they don't cover. They are not a big wiki. :) Teemeah 편지 (letter)  15:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * For those who found reliable refs, please add them to article in el/fr sections and remove the notability template. Thanks! --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I added to sections I could understand from Korean. As much as I can see the description of the exact ritual is not in these sources. So I added a refimprove tag. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  09:18, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Kang Jin, Sam In-li Torreya Nucifera (Coniferous Tree)
There is currently a requested move discussion at Talk:Kang Jin, Sam In-li Torreya Nucifera (Coniferous Tree) which would probably benefit from some more comments. PC78 (talk) 12:10, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

The Scam (2009 film) listed at Requested moves
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Choga (architecture)
Can someone provide Hangul and ko interwiki for this? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. Most of the article was a copyvio, though. Random86 (talk) 12:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Korean website reliability discussion
Hi, I've started a discussion about the website http://dailygame.co.kr at the reliable sources notice board. If some of you guys could help out that would be great.--Prisencolin (talk) 00:23, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Notification of RFC for Korean MOS in regard to romanization
Should we use McCune-Reischauer or Revised for topics relating to pre-1945 Korea? Those inclined, please contribute here. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 06:19, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Requested move for Yenny
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yenny, which has not gotten any comments. I am posting this here to bring it to more editors' attention. Thanks, Random86 (talk) 04:12, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Missing articles on globalization and Korea
As I will be teaching a new edition of my Sociology of Globalization course in Korea, I've decided to give students some suggestions to important missing articles (since they have a lot of trouble coming up with their ideas). I've been restructuring WikiProject_Korea/Redlist, through I still need to do some more work (anyone is welcome to help by removing blue links and adding stuff). In particular, I wonder if anyone can think of some interesting topics related to globalization in Korea, of just Korean society that are missing. Biographies are fine too. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Shin Hee Choi
Dear Korea experts: I moved this draft to mainspace since the subject won a boxing championship, but I am not familiar with the naming patterns in Korea. Can someone here fix this up if I have used the names incorrectly? Also, if there are references out there that are not in English that can be added that would be helpful. Thanks.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed names. The article has significant problems with the lack of sources in certain sections and parts. You should add references immediately, or remove them. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Finnusertop. By searching with the new form of the name, I was able to add references for some of the information.  However, there are likely some reports in languages that don't use the roman alphabet, and I don't know how to find these.  I don't see anything particularly "contentious", though, so  I think I will wait to see if editors who speak Korean or Japanese improve the referencing.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 01:34, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

New article - Disability in North Korea
The article is now in mainspace, please help improve it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Is the European Alliance for Human Rights in North Korea (https://www.eahrnk.org/) in general, and more specifically this "policy review" document a credible source? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:24, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Knowledgeable editors needed at Talk:Racism_in_South_Korea
There seem to be some contentious issues. Rhoark (talk) 13:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

garbled text
Abacus is a very short section, just one paragraph of two sentences. Here's the whole section:
 * The Chinese abacus migrated from China to Korea around 1400 AD. Koreans call it jupan (주판), supan (수판) or jusan-means calculating with an abacus- (주산). [Citations omitted]

The second half of the second sentence makes no sense. There is a source cited but it's in Korean, which I don't read. The source page is fairly short. Would someone please look at the section and the source and make the English readable? Thanks in advance. (I've also posted this request at Talk:Abacus.) Thnidu (talk) 01:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Bình An/Tây Vinh massacre (2nd nomination)
An AfD discussion that may be relevant. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:44, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Finished with major revision of WikiProject Korea/Redlist
Reorganized, removed blue links, etc. I was focusing mainly on South Korean topics though. Pretty please, do not hesitate to add stuff from your own to do lists there. I'd like to have as many ideas as possible for my student assignments :) --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:50, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I see you're still being awesomely productive as always. If anything comes to mind, I'll add to it. &#9780; Jaewon &#91;Talk&#93; 15:47, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

BTS (band) listed at Requested moves
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Review new articles
I suggest that two new articles be reviewed by an project expert: South Korean rape of Vietnamese women and Serial Kidnapping of Korean Women in 1930's. I'm not sure that either topic needs its own article, nor am I certain that either is properly sourced and written with a NPOV. Brianga (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The "serial kidnapping" article was about Comfort women, so I redirected it. The text in that article was attempting to be a POV fork, with lots of denial and revisionism. Rather than host a POV version, the material should be worked carefully into the main article about comfort women, without undue emphasis on the minor position of revisionism contradicting the mainstream consensus about the comfort women program. Binksternet (talk) 15:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Model as a profession for idols
Hi! I keep seeing people adding "model" to idols' and actors' infoboxes as a profession. I think modeling in the entertainment industry (eg. photoshoots for magazines and appearing in advertisements) is part of being a celebrity, it is given. I don't see Western celebrities listed as models, take for example George Clooney, who frequently appears in all sorts of ads from coffee to watches. I think we should also remove the model description from idol and actor profiles, except for the people who did actually do professional modeling, like Kim Woo-bin or Lee Soo-hyuk. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  12:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Merge proposal Yeongnam (disambiguation) and Gyeongnam (disambiguation)
There is a merge proposal for Yeongnam (disambiguation) and Gyeongnam (disambiguation). Please comment at Talk:Yeongnam_(disambiguation) --Lemongirl942 (talk) 06:52, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Red's special November activities
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Terra Han and associated articles
More eyes welcome on this mess of duplicated and probably non-notable articles being promoted by a bunch of WP:SPAs, especially since their activities are starting to leak into other articles (e.g. replacing every picture on gayageum with a picture of her).


 * Han Terra
 * Han Terra discography
 * A Maestro Who Saved Girl Genius: Sukhi Kang and TeRra Han
 * A Maestro Who Saved Girl Ginius
 * TeRra Han live at the Tokyo Suginami Public Hall, Japan
 * Dreams of King Sejong: Yeo Min Lak (2CD), TeRra Han's Album
 * TeRra Han plays 'Young San Hue Sang' (2CD)
 * TeRra(Live)
 * TeRra(Live), TeRra Han's Album

Cheers, 210.6.254.106 (talk) 02:16, 20 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I have given up on policing sports and music related articles because WP:NMUSIC and WP:NSPORT are too complex - and too far from my interest - for me figure out. Anyone who cares, check if her albums are notable, if not, prod or AfD. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:32, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sheesh, what a walled garden. I will have a look when I have time. I usually tend to redirect these albums to the artist page. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Current events (scandal?)
So I hear ko:최순실 게이트/ko:최순실 is a thing in the news in Korea these days. Anyone could stub something? Choi Sun-sil is likely notable? --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Personally I would refrain from creating it right now, particularly the BLP. For controversial topics, it is better to wait for the allegations to be proved. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:24, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems like they have been started: Choi Soon-sil gate, Choi Soon-sil. Created by User:Kanghuitari and User:10000금. Thanks, --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:04, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Kisaeng and prostitution
Why is File:Kisaeng School.JPG categorized as "Prostitutes in Korea"? I read Kisaeng and it doesn't even use the word prostitution. Neither is that term used for commons:Category:Kisaeng. Mistagging? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Kisaengs did provide sexual services. There are plenty of trustworthy sources attesting that. I think Koreans keep removing such references from the article because they want to keep their history "clean". In relaity Kisaengs were kind of prostitutes. They were also conversation partners, educated artists, yes, but they also slept with their patrons....for money. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  17:29, 29 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Sounds pretty much like Korean version of geishas then? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:05, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, geishas rarely provided such services and most geishas did not. Kisaengs on the other hand were regular prostitutes, who were also very educated in the arts. I made a short note in the article with sources. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  15:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

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Gaya confederacy
See Talk:Gaya, India. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:11, 1 November 2016 (UTC)