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The name of Goguryeo
Hello. The Goguryeo article says that king Jangsu named the country 'Goryeo' based on this source. What was the name of the country before that? can someone please translate the following lines from the previous source:
 * 30여 년 동안 고려시대사를 연구해 온 저자(고려대 교수)는 이런 주장에 대해 하나하나 학술적으로 반박한다. ‘고려’라는 명칭은 도대체 어디서 온 것인가? 결론부터 말하자면 “고구려가 곧 고려였다.” 연가 7년명 고구려 불상과 중원 고구려비 같은 고구려의 유물에는 분명히 ‘고구려’라고 씌어져야 할 자리에 ‘고려’라고 돼 있다. 그러니까 고구려가 존재하던 당시에 타국은 물론 고구려인 자신들조차 나라 이름을 ‘고려’라고 불렀던 것이다. 이는 단순히 약칭이 아니었다. 저자는 “고구려가 어느 시점에 나라 이름을 정식으로 ‘고려’로 바꿨다”고 분석하고, 그 시점을 장수왕이 평양으로 천도한 서기 427년으로 본다. 김부식의 ‘삼국사기’는 자신이 살던 시대의 고려 왕조와 구별하기 위해 천도 이후에도 일부러 ‘고구려’라 썼을 뿐이다.

Any extra sources are helpful especially if it is written in English. Thank you.--Sayom (talk) 18:09, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Authors who have studied the consideration sidaesa over 30 years (Korea University) has refuted these claims one by one to the academic. The name "consider" What the hell is where it came from? Speaking conclusion "Koguryo was soon considered" Sonata gotta have that 'consideration' in the place that has to be written clearly "Goguryeo" Goguryeo Goguryeo relics such as Buddha statues and 7 nyeonmyeong goguryeobi midfield. So at the time there was Goguryeo Goguryeo that other countries will, of course they even sang 'consider' the name of the country. This was not simply abbreviated. The author "formally changed to Koguryo 'consider' the name of the country at some point," he analyzed, and see the point in AD 427 years is one jangsuwang nectarines in Pyongyang. Kim Bu-sik of "Samguksagi 'is just deliberately wrote called' Koguryo 'nectarines after in order to distinguish them from the Goryeo dynasty of the era he lived. (google translate) --ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)&#32;(ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung) 10:39, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I am sorry but Google translation does not help. All I understood from the source is that Jangsu-Wang changed the name of the country to Goryeo, and when Kim Bu-sik, who lived during the "Goryeo" times (the Goryeo established by Taejo Wang-geon,) wrote his "Samguksagi", he named the country Goguryeo (Old Goryeo) to distinguish it from their Goryeo. My question again is what was the name of the country from the time when Jumong-Wang established the country until Jangsu-Wang changed it to Goryeo?--Sayom (talk) 01:10, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The answer of your question is simple. Goguryeo. It was changed to Goryeo from Goguryeo. --ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)&#32;(ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung<rp>)</rp> 12:47, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Then All what Jangsu-Wang did is just abbreviating the name? I know that I sound silly, but please bear with me. What I know is that Go means old, is that correct? If yes, then what did Go in the original name of Goguryeo refer to? As I said before when Kim Bu-sik used it he meant to refer to the previous Goryeo, but before the time of Jangsu-Wang, what did it refer to? Sorry for all these questions and thank you for spending your time to answer them. I really appreciate it.--Sayom (talk) 13:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * The source roughly says what you suggest, that the name of the country was Goryeo and since Taejo considered his country the continuation of Goguryeo, he also named his country Goryeo, and Kim Bushik, to distinguish his own country from the former, referred to the former as Old Goryeo. But I think we need more academic sources to back this up, and not just an article in the Chosun Ilbo. :) I have a couple Korean history books in English at home, but none of them even mentions this (and they are pretty comprehensive books) Teemeah 편지 (letter)  15:41, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Jinwung Kim in his book, A History of Korea: From "Land of the Morning Calm" to States in Conflict, (Pages 23-24 & 32) mentioned that there was a prefecture in Hyeondo commandery who had the name Goguryeo, and called it Old Goguryeo and that Jumong established the New Goguryeo Later. However, he does not mention the abbreviation of the name later during Jangsu-Wang. I will continue looking into sources.--Sayom (talk) 01:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we could ask at kowiki, they can look more into Korean sources. My Korean is still limited. I can read some passages with the help of a dictionary pretty well, but it takes me a long time. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  13:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Jinwung Kim also mentioned in page 79 that Goryeo is the correct name of the kingdom, however, he does not mention the reason for the change. Historical Dictionary of Pyongyang is another source that I found, which says that Jangsu-Wang changed the name of the kingdom to Goryeo (page 69.) The Korean article about Goguryeo refereed to the Goguryeo monument in Jungwon, Chungju as a source of the information. This is all what I found, and I hope it will be helpful.--Sayom (talk) 23:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

《삼국사기(三國史記)》〈고구려본기(高句麗本紀)〉에 따르면 기원전 37년 부여계인 동명왕(東明王)이 졸본(卒本)에 도읍해 나라의 이름을 졸본부여로 한 것이 기원이며, This sentence is from ko:고구려. It means "Goguryeobongi(고구려본기) in the Samguksagi(삼국사기) says Dongmyeongwang(동명왕), Buyeogye(부여계), decided capital Jolbon(졸본), and named country Jolbonbuyeo(졸본부여) in 37 BCE." --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 08:35, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thankfully, I just found another English source that answer my question. Korean Myths and Folk Legends says in page 25 and I quote that "Chumong gave the name Koguryo to this land after his family name Ko. Although his original surname was Hae, Chumong adopted Ko (meaning "high") as his new family name". Putting everything together, the first name of the country was Goguryeo meaning 'high Goryeo' and then King Jangsu shortened the name and removed his family name. Later, Kim Bu-sik used Go (meaning old) to refer to the previous Goryeo. Could someone please confirm that Go (고) actually hold both meanings? Thank you.--Sayom (talk) 12:16, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * In Hanja, Goguryeo is 高句麗 and Goryeo is 高麗. --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 12:57, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It means Go(고) in two country names have same meaning. and Ryeo(려) in two country names have same meaning, too. --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 13:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

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General Association of Koreans in China
I am trying to write an article on this organization, which is a pro-DPRK group in the PRC, however, I am having trouble finding sources in English. There is a Korean language wiki article, but my attempts to use Google translate don't really help. In fact, my computer won't even ,allow me to copy and paste the link, because it apparently can't read hangul. You can find a page with a link to it here.

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Sangnoksu
Perhaps someone can help me find some information related to this article I just wrote and nominated for DYK: And feel free to expand the article. I think I pretty much exhausted all English sources, but I think there is a lot more in Korean (literature studies, etc.). --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:21, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ref that it is a required reading in Korean schools
 * ref that it is the namesake of Sangnok-gu
 * ref and date that the novel was first published as a book (1940 according to WorldCat?
 * , this reference seems to support the fact that the metro stop is named after the novel, but I don't think it explicitly states that the novel is the namesake of Sangnok-gu. The relevant text is:
 * "당고개와 오이도를 오가며 수도권 시민의 발로서 그 소임을 맡고있는 4호선 상록수역은 그러한 최용신의 업적을 기리기 위해서 심훈의 동명소설의 이름을 딴 전철역이다."
 * I'll post this reference on the article's talk page as well, and maybe someone with better Korean reading skills can verify and incorporporate it into the article if it's helpful and considered reliable. Ry's the Guy  (talk&#124;contribs) 16:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll ping User:-revi. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Proof that Sangnok-gu is named after the novel is here, I'm too busy in real life so I'll do it later. &mdash; regards, <span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi 06:25, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

(talkref moved to bottom. &mdash; regards, <span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi 06:25, 9 December 2016 (UTC))


 * Thank you, revi, I've added that ref to the relevant articles. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:37, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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Is Mintpaper a reliable source?
I'm working on the article Glen Check (band) and have come across a pretty in-depth interview conducted by mintpaper.com. Unfortunately, I can't read Korean, and Google translate is of no help whatsoever. It's unclear to me whether mintpaper would even qualify as a reliable source though. Can anyone here determine what kind of publication this is? Thanks! --Jpcase (talk) 20:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It looks like Mintpaper organized concert festival until 2014 and since then, they organize smaller concerts every two months. They also have their own radio station. The interview seems reliable, at the end, they also provide a short video with the two interviewees. --Christian140 (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response - thanks for looking into this and glad to hear that the source comes from a respectable publication! --Jpcase (talk) 05:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Nearly unreadable article
(See Talk:Spoon class theory.)

Spoon class theory is largely incoherent and in many places unreadable, thanks to sentences like this:
 * He suggested that gold spoon is included in a simulacrum that doesn’t have an original. Issues of gold spoon celebrities and commercials which made those people idealize changed nonexistence as existence.

That isn't English.

According to the history, it was apparently translated by at 08:06, 21 November 2016 from ko:사용자:Yunseon Choi/연습장 and heavily edited down.

The article is also an orphan, which increases its chances of deletion.

I don't know any Korean -- I can only recognize Hangul when I see it, which is pretty easy -- so I can't check the sources, but some people in this WikiProject probably can. The translation must be reviewed or redone by someone with adequate knowledge of English. As an educated native speaker of English, I'll be willing to review the revised article if necessary ( me), but only if I can work with one or more Korean-speakers, to check the accuracy of any changes I make. --Thnidu (talk) 03:27, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think the article is as bad as to call it incoherent and unreadable, but it certainly needs English proofreading. I did a little, but I was also limited by Korean sources used that I cannot verify. In the end it is just an average student project with their average English ESL skills. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 15:32, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Korean nationalism
This article has a lot of problems. There are some WP:V and WP:NPOV issues as well as unsourced content. Please see the talk page. A discussion on the dispute resolution noticeboard has been opened. --Christian140 (talk) 19:16, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

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Could someone swap the following images on Korean WP? I have no idea how to do it myself, since Korean WP has that crappy visual editor turned on by default:


 * In the article, please replace Ulster Irish vowel chart.png with Ulster Irish vowel chart.svg
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 * Done. ;) --Christian140 (talk) 20:12, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


 * For future reference: since the preferences pages should be the same for any Wikipedia, you should be able to enable both or code-only editor from pulldown menu there, too. Just take a look at how it is done in English here, and you should be able to figure it out. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC)


 * You can change the button layout to English on any wikipedia by going to Preferences (just click around in the top menu, you will find it, but in Korean it reads 환경 설정 (third link right from the notification icons) and change the language from KO to EN screenshot. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  11:44, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

You can use the Korean (or any other language, for that matter) Wikipedia in your preferred language by adding  to the URL:


 * https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/얼스터_아일랜드어?uselang=en


 * https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/특수:환경설정?uselang=en

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Thanks for all the advices. What's strange is that the rto template didn't work in either case - I've received no notifications. Anyway, I'll remember that. Thanks! Mr KEBAB (talk) 17:24, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Megalia
User:ZERO2CT recently created this article about a controversial Korean feminist internet forum. There are clear POV issues; when I first encountered the article, it referred to its denizens as "feminazis", and it still contains several rather extreme allegations that I have no way of verifying, as I can't read Korean. I've done some cleanup, but the article probably needs to be completely restructured. People who can read Korean-language sources are sorely needed. —0xF8E8 ( talk ) 21:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)


 * "Megalia [...] is a website based in South Korea, created in 2015, where the users praise women's supremacy and misandry and aim dying out of Korean men."
 * I honestly think this article should be deleted. There is a clear agenda, poorly sourced and a lot of curiousities without anything notable. --Christian140 (talk) 15:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

The article still might needs more help: See Talk:Megalia --Christian140 (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

House of Sharing
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Bridge
There are -daegyo(대교; 大橋) and -gyo(교; 橋) in bridges' name. But how can we translate these two words. This is needed in the articles like National Route 34 (South Korea) --ㅂㄱㅇ (talk) 12:18, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * How about to change the name of the bridges(only daegyo) to the namedaegyo like Incheondaegyo? --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 10:51, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the article rather should be moved to Incheon Bridge because this should be also found on the road signs. --Christian140 (talk) 20:09, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
 * What do you think about -gyo(-교)? --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 12:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Such a differentiation does not exist in English. Usually, 대교 as well as 교 is translated as bridge. For the Incheon Bridge, it is also the name of the website http://www.incheonbridge.com/. Can you think of a famous 교? Anyways, on Korean traffic signs, bridges are described in Korean and also in Latin writing, with the name outlined by the rules of the revised romanization and the describing terms like bridge or street in English. So, if there was an 인천교, it actually should also be Incheon Bridge. --Christian140 (talk) 13:07, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Same name can make confusion, so I think we should use different words for 대교 and 교. Bridge for 대교, and Gyo(If there's no better name) for 교? --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 06:20, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * there are 인천교 in Incheon, Nonsan, and Gyeongju. --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 06:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. Are you near such a ~gyo and can see the traffic sign? I think it must be also "(Incheon) Bridge" on the sign. Do these ~gyos even meet the notability criteria of wikipedia? If not, then there would be no articles and it wouldn't be much of a problem. Anyways, this needs more insight from other users I guess. You noted already that the bridge section at the naming conventions page is empty. But maybe knows more since the user added it. --Christian140 (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Gwangjin Bridge is 광진교(Gwangjingyo). --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 03:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I see. I remember seeing this stylea lot. Anyways, I think this discussion needs more insight from other users. But not everything is transferable from Korean to English. What to you think how the English Wikipedia should handle this? --Christian140 (talk) 09:04, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Hanja
I've been reading (and amending) so many Korean cuisine related articles with native (non-Sino-Korean) names, where unofficial (perhaps analogically reformated) hanja characters are listed. Please check Standard Korean Language Dictionary before adding hanja. --MaeveCosgrave (talk) 20:44, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Need assistance from a Korean speaker with knowledge of Korean culinary traditions at Talk:Red bean paste
An editor proposed a move at Talk:Red bean paste, and I believe I've thoroughly debunked his rationale. I'd like it if someone who understands the Korean language and the Korean culinary tradition could verify what've said/found. Much obliged, RGloucester  — ☎ 16:29, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
 * She, not he. --MaeveCosgrave (talk) 20:36, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * My use of pronoun 'he' was in the generic sense, and did not imply gender. RGloucester  — ☎ 21:23, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Using a male pronoun in the generic sense? Isn't it considered a bit old-fashioned, and even offensive by some? (Please see Gender neutrality in English and Third-person pronoun.) --MaeveCosgrave (talk) 08:44, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
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Providence:
The old article for this New Religious Movement has been split into several articles. See:


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 * Jung Myung Seok
 * Media Allegations, Criminal Charges, and Conviction of Jung Myung Seok

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Name change discussion at Talk:Liancourt Rocks
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Daikon split discussion
Please come participate in the split discussion regarding the Daikon article. Thank you. --Epulum (talk) 06:40, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Ari-soo
This needs clarification in the lead. Is this a river? Lake? Reservoir? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Arisu today is basically Seoul's tap water. In the past, because of copper pipes or other reasons, Koreans were not supposed to drink tap water. However, over the past decades, the Korean and Seouler government improved a lot and all the buildings built after 1990 or earlier (or something) have modern pipes. Therefore, in most buildings of Seoul, tap water can be drunken, however, the thought that tap water is dangerous so prevalent among Koreans, that the city of Seoul decided to promote tap water. (No sources given, personal hearsay). --Christian140 (talk) 11:40, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Request for article development (North Korea–United States relations)
I was reading North Korea–United States relations, and I noticed that the 1969-2001 period is basically undiscussed. I don't want to try to add anything because I'm ignorant on that subject, but it seems like there must have been some significant events in those 32 years. Thanks, --M @ r ē ino 17:00, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring at Goguryeo
Goguryeo also needs someone to look at the recent edit war. Thanks, Aristophanes 68   (talk)  21:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Gwanggaeto the Great article needs help
Lots of edit warring at Gwanggaeto the Great. Help? Aristophanes 68  (talk)  20:04, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Two edits by Aristophanes68 at 7 May 2017‎ ; one edit in 2016 by Mar del Este ; some edits in 2014. What a great war ! Pldx1 (talk) 08:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the user is refering to this and not to the talk page. --Christian140 (talk) 11:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Correct -- the constant fighting over Korean v. Chinese accounts. Aristophanes 68   (talk)  06:04, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * When describing this "edit war" as "the constant fighting over Korean v. Chinese", aren't you more questionable and nationalist than the involved "Assault Riffle" and Co ? Once again: so many reverts without using the talk page is not a content dispute. Perhaps US kids without control ? Pldx1 (talk) 11:16, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Please help identify a food item.
A photo is apparently misidentified, please see WP:Teahouse, so that the image can be moved to the correct title. Please post to the Teahouse discussion rather than here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:22, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

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Feel free to expand my newest Korean DYK Embassy of Japan, Seoul
There are few things that could make it better: more photos, GPS coordinates, and address for the 1956-1976 building (seems the embassy moved in 1976, but I couldn't find out much about it). --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:17, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Kim Seo-kyung & Kim Eun-sung
I've created a stub for those artists, I think they are notable. Please help expand - do they have article on ko wiki? What is their Korean name spelling? Do they have a homepage? I wasn't able to find much in the English-language news. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * They don't have a page/pages on the Korean wikipedia. Not sure if they have a website, though. --Christian140 (talk) 06:48, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

D.M.Z.
DMZ usually today means DMZ (Korea) not a Christian pop album In ictu oculi (talk) 13:23, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Proposal to remove Korean from lead in parentheses
There is an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section‎‎ proposing to remove CJK in parentheses from the lead (as well as IPA pronunciations). Please do come participate in the discussion. Thanks! TheInfernoX (talk) 15:16, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Korean freeuse license
There is a request at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright for help with interpreting a license whose text is in Korean. Can anyone from here help with this? Verbcatcher (talk) 03:30, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Minor point for possible correction
The article Unification Church in its info box says that the classification is Unification Church of the United States. I don't see how this is possible, that a larger entity is a sub-classification of a smaller entity. How about New religious movement for the category? 12.27.66.8 (talk) 19:21, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

c:File:Korea_Expressway_No.255.svg
Is there someone to be able to create ? See also c:Category:Diagrams of South Korean Expressway Sign. --<ruby ><rb>ㅂㄱㅇ (talk)</rb><rp>&#32;(</rp><rt >ㅂ|Bieup ㄱ|Giyeok ㅇ|Ieung</rt><rp>)</rp> 08:09, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Operation Rat Killer


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Nomination of Operation Rat Killer for deletion
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Grammar information on Korean Verbs page is extremely inaccurate
Hello everyone! Sorry if I'm doing this wrong. This is my first time trying to make any significant changes to a Wikipedia page. Feel free to post (or message me) any tips about how I should be doing this.

Can some folks help clean up the Korean Verbs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_verbs) page? It's inaccurate to a fairly extreme level. Things as basic as how to create the past tense and make a verb negative (I fixed the negative thing). I don't know enough about linguistics yet to correct a lot of it, but I know enough to see how bad it is. I stumbled upon the page when I was trying to find an explanation of 더냐. When I got here I saw that the explanation couldn't possibly be correct (just from my own knowledge of Korean grammar, as 더 has to do with something you directly observe and 냐 is the question form for indirect reported speech) and then saw that huge portions of the page were inaccurate.

Rayanne12 (talk) 16:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Deleation of Persona (concert tour)
Can someone explain me why this article is being considered for deletion? I cannot find mistakes....

SONEfr (talk) 11:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)SONEfr
 * It's not because there are mistakes. Wikipedia also has notability guidelines (see WP:NTOUR). Random86 (talk) 19:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Dear Participants of WikiProject Korea,

Thank you for your efforts and contribution of Wikipedia. Please refer to this Invitation to AfD and let us know your opinion for this article whether it should be "Keep", "Delete", "Merge", "Redirect", or other view Comment  on the top page of Peace Treaty with North Korea, please click the link this article's entry for your valuable opinion. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 09:44, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reference link : Wikietiquette about AfD

Are images published in KCNA copyrighted?
In Wikimedia Commons there is the following tag for some works by the DPRK that are in the public domain: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-North_Korea

Which says that some works are in the public domain, according to the Copyright Law of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, enacted 2001, amended 2006: http://www.wipo.int/edocs/lexdocs/laws/en/kp/kp001en.pdf

This law among other things says:
 * Article 12 (Exclusion): Documents for state management, current news or information data shall not be the object of copyright unless commercial purpose is pursued.

The language is somewhat vague as to whether the exclusion of copyright of news also applies to news images published by KCNA.

Maybe I am splitting hairs here, but maybe article 14.2 has some bearing on this:


 * Article 14 (Moral right): The moral right of the copyright owner shall be as follows:
 * 1. the right to determine the publication of their works;
 * 2. the right to make public his name in the works; and

KCNA-published pictures have no author attribution. Would this be further indication that the DPRK considers them in them to be free of copyright?

I am asking this to the community because I have some interest in uploading images published by KCNA into Wikimedia Commons as I feel there is a lack of imagery on North Korea in numerous wikipedia articles (and I don't see why the broader dissemination of their officially published images would run against their interests, quite the contrary), but want to first seek others' opinions. (Note: this question was originally posted in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/North Korea, but I have not received any responses. I thought I woudl re-post it here where there may be more editors contributing). Thank you.(talk) user:Al83tito 22:35, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Moral rights don't factor into copyright. All NK govt images can be used per commons:Template:PD-North Korea, per that template and cited copyright. Would this answer your question? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:04, 24 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Dear Piotrus, thank you for kindly responding to my request for inputs. I have gone ahead and uploaded File:Kim Jong Un Gives Guidance to Nuclear Weaponization (hydrogen bomb) - 2017.jpg, and I have added a comment in its discussion page elaborating on my rationale for inclusion, as well as inviting further comments to be added to this discussion we have already started here. Thank you. (talk) user:Al83tito 03:40, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Multiple discussions both here and on Commons have held that KCNA can and does in fact hold copyright to their work. There is a copyright notice clearly displayed at the bottom of their page. If KCNA works were free of copyright, there would be no need for that. Related; the DPRK is a signatory to the Berne Convention. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:34, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Please be aware that both Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kim Jong Un Gives Guidance to Nuclear Weaponization (hydrogen bomb) - 2017.jpg and Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kim Jong Un Makes Statement (2017).jpg have closed as delete. This supports that there is no blanket public domain status for KCNA images. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

New article proposal under WikiProject Korea
I am a student in the process of planning an article on Mental health in South Korea. Does anyone who is experienced in this project have advice for sources, frameworks, or methods I should use in crafting this article? Thank you! Mhvla (talk) 21:50, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't speak to anything specific in regards to South Korea. However, you should have a read through Article development. Also, there are some other "Mental health in..." type articles here. A few; Mental health care in South Africa, Mental health in Russia, Mental health in Ireland, and Mental health in China. None of these have reached featured article status, but they may provide a general guide on how to proceed. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:21, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * it looks like you are already familiar with sources. The bibliography you have compiled looks excellent. Noticing that you already have a sandbox, you could start your article as a draft page there at User:Mhvla/sandbox/Mental health in South Korea. When you are confident that the article meets Wikipedia's standards, it can be moved to article space at Mental health in South Korea. Some tips for article development are at Your first article. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:29, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You would likely get a bit more feedback from WikiProject Medicine, but it is always good to ask here. Unfortunately it doesn't seem we have anyone familiar with this aspect of Korea here. We can perhaps help with some translations or other items involving more general Korean culture. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Template:Chaebol
Please can an editor familiar with Korean industry review Chaebol, especially the recent edits by a previously blocked IP? For example, Tongyang and STX are listed as defunct but their articles suggest that they are still trading. Thanks, Certes (talk) 10:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Both of them seem to have some recent trouble but they still seem to exist and trade. The problem with the template is that it has no clear criteria of inclusion. South Korea has over a hundred companies that can be classified as chaebols (this is what our article on chaebol states; britannica claims there are 'more then two dozens'). After a bit more digging, I found out that 'The Fair Trade and Anti-monopoly Law defines the chaebol, and the Fair Trade Commission announces the list of chaebols in April each year'. That article also lists some chaebols but it is unclear why they were chosen, and the list is likely obsolete anyway (it doesn't cite many refs and it is unclear which year(s) it represents). I found this old webpage based on 2002 data that also has a 1997 list of biggest chabols . I think we need the Fair Trade Commission list to create a proper list year by by year in the article or a list format, with dates, refs, etc. Unfortunately I couldn't find it. A related problem is that even the top cheabols change over time, notes that from 50s to 70s only 2 were stable in Top 10 (Samsung and LG), and  notes this trend of Top 10 changing significantly has continued for the rest of the century. The KFTC list also went through at list one major revision for its definition (see this news piece;  states the list dates to 1986 so I wonder how such lists were created before?). Those two (Samsung and LG) have remained likely throughout all time, but any list/template needs updating; the template is particularly problematic because it is unclear because of unknown criteria for selection of companies for it, and I'd suggest it should be AfD as a template based on unclear criteria. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  03:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Korean Wikipedia event
I think the Korean Wikipedia community is hosting some events related to 3rd anniversairy of sorts, and at least something of it may be English-language related because they are hosting an international guest, see https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9C%84%ED%82%A4%EB%B0%B1%EA%B3%BC:Asaf_Bartov%EC%99%80%EC%9D%98_%EC%BB%A4%EB%AE%A4%EB%8B%88%ED%8B%B0_%EB%AF%B8%ED%8C%85. That said, I don't know if it is of interest to anyone since AFAIK I am the only member of this WikiProject who lives in Korea (and I was not invited, either). Btw, if anyone else here lives in Korea, maybe we can organize some English speaking/expat event? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:05, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * PS. There is now Meetup/Seoul/1. Anyone interested? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:32, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You can see an English page for the event at Meetup/Seoul/1. --Motoko C. K. (talk) 11:35, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, "Btw, if anyone else here lives in Korea, maybe we can organize some English speaking/expat event?" sounds interesting, even though I am native Korean lived in Korea for my life. &mdash; regards, <span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi 14:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Great, I'll be happy to ping you if we ever do anything, but sadly there doesn't seem to be any interest, so I stand by my lonely conclusion that I am the only non-Korean Wikipedian living in Korea :( --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:01, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

KOBACO (Korea Broadcast Advertising Corporation) listed at Requested moves
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Korean squashes
Hi, I would like to request some help from someone with expertise on Korean cuisine or someone who has grown Korean summer squash in their garden. The wikipedia articles are Seoulmadi squash and ‎Aehobak. I'm also asking help with translation of a Korean research paper ‎on this talkpage. Thanks! :) 143.176.56.102 (talk) 11:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Lots of stubs, short on RS
Please see Milyang No clan, Milyang Tang clan and Ch'am of Gojoseon. Also, see the TP of User_talk:Spirit_of_criticism which includes more new stubs with issues. Perhaps it would be helpful if someone from the project could help guide this editor, or help improve the multiple stubs. The backlog in NPP is growing just trying to keep up. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can offer. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 14:05, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

!help improve Draft:Oh_(North_Korean_defector)
Dear WikiProject Korea,

Please help improve the draft Wikipedia page on "Oh" North Korean defector.

Kind regards,

(Bleibloem (talk) 08:20, 24 November 2017 (UTC)).

Current RfC
See on-going RfC for the article Racism in South Korea at Talk:Racism in South Korea. --Christian140 (talk) 21:16, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Question: should we quote http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160221000207 for “I know that a few clubs in Hongdae refuse to accept foreigners, especially American soldiers, based on their past experiences. They have suffered from the U.S. soldiers getting into brawls and creating a ruckus,” said Kim Jung-hyun, head of the Hongdae Tourism and Culture Association. “But it is not a matter of racism. It is up to business owners to determine who to let in.” ?  Answer: yes, surely, we should. Pldx1 (talk) 11:18, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Korea

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 16:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)