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Resurrected: Gaon Music Chart's chart search function + Billboard Korea K-pop Hot 100
Hi, for those users who work with South Korea's music articles, two late announcements. First, the easier of the two: Billboard Korea K-pop Hot 100. The charted resumed for the week dated May 29 – June 4, 2017. It's incredibly skeletal: it only provides its ranking for the week, so no peak position, weeks on the chart, etc.

Gaon has re-enabled its search function, which you can find here. This is great for discography articles, where you can utilize fewer sources for citing peak positions of songs and albums. A walk-through:


 * First drop-down selection box
 * 차트종류 (Chart type)
 * Digital Chart
 * Download Chart
 * Streaming Chart
 * BGM Chart
 * Mobile Chart (벨) for ringtones
 * Mobile Chart (링) for ringback tones
 * Album Chart
 * 노래방 Chart (Noraebang Chart)
 * Gaon Social Chart


 * Second drop-down selection box
 * 구분 (Classification)
 * 종합 (Overall)
 * 국내 (Domestic)
 * 국외 (Foreign)


 * Third drop-down selection box
 * 년도 (Year)
 * 2017년
 * 2016년
 * 2015년
 * 2014년
 * 2013년


 * Fourth drop-down selection box
 * 곡명 (Name)
 * 앨범명 (Album name)
 * 가수명 (Singer's name)


 * Fifth - search box

The search function presents seven headers: Digital Chart, Download Chart, Streaming Chart, BGM Chart, Mobile Chart (벨), Mobile Chart (링), and 노래방 Chart. To the left, three viewing options are available: 주간 (weekly), 월간 (monthly), and 연간 (year-end).

As an example, here's the search for CNBLUE. Chart type: Digital Chart; Classification: Overall; Year: 2013; Name: Singer's name; Search box: "씨엔블루". . In reverse chronological order, it shows the Chart Period, Ranking, Title, Artist, Album, and Link to that week's chart.

Please remember to observe WP:CHARTMATH. The Download, Streaming, BGM Charts, as well as the Domestic and Foreign Charts should only be noted in cases when a song or album failed to chart on the Digital Chart or Overall chart.

Cheers! ℯ xplicit  02:33, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! This is very useful. I can't seem to search the album chart by artist (only album name works). Random86 (talk) 05:23, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, as I've put it to use, I've noticed that it's just as bad, if not worse, than the one they had in place a few years ago. For now, I've simply manually altered the URL like so:  (simply change   to your desired artist). This displays the act's entire charting history. The Chart Links will often link to the completely wrong week, but the peak positions do check out when I search for them.  ℯ  xplicit  07:19, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Sportswoman help request
I created articles for two South Korean skeleton athletes and corresponding wikidata entries. However, the only source I can find for these women is the International Bobsleigh and Skeleton Federation's database, which is only in English and German, so I don't know whether their names have been properly represented or if any other information about them is available in Korean-language sources. I'd appreciate it if someone could take a look and bring these stubs up to your project's standards.
 * Mun Ra-young
 * Jeong Sophia
 * 121a0012 (talk) 02:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Mun Ra-young is 문라영 (some article). For Jeong Sophia, it is 정소피아 (some article). Her name is not typical Korean, but also cannot find more information. --Christian140 (talk) 10:23, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Please come and help...
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 * Talk:Guonei

Gapjil listed at Requested moves
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Talk:List of Korean Nobel laureates
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Suljip
Having stumbled upon Izakaya, I wonder if the Korean suljip deserves its own article. Or should it be just a section in bar? Or drinking establishment? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:00, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

The Korean article 술집 (suljip) links to Drinking establishment. --Christian140 (talk) 15:07, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * @Piotrus: For means, see wikt:술집. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 15:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

List of townships in South Korea
A change to lang has broken this article, Someone needs to update List of townships in South Korea with the valid settings needed for template:lang. -- 65.94.42.90 (talk) 08:08, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Chloe Kim
Please leave your comments about Template:Korean name in Talk:Chloe Kim. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 13:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Bareun Future Party
Editors active in this project may be interested in a discussion regarding the proper title of the newly merged Bareun and People's parties in Korea. Interested editors are invited to participate in the discussion. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Include link to North Korea portal for NK articles in project banner
Could WikiProject Korea link to Portal:North Korea if the article is supported by the North Korea working group? See template sandbox mockup. It's the only working group that we have a portal for in Category:Korea-related portals.

Consensus needed prior to edit because it's a protected template. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:38, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * NK and SK project pages are pretty much inactive, all of this stuff should redirect here - this is the only semi-active place discussing Korean topics on Eng Wiki. Portals are also totally obsolete, nobody visits them (users), they are a toy of few editors who are making them for themselves (again, no readers visit portals, they are a failed idea). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with what is said just above. Pldx1 (talk) 09:57, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

About the categories xxth-century Korean monarchy
It seems that the 20 Feb 2018 "article alert" about renaming the "xxth-century Korean monarchy" categories remained unnoticed. As a result, a "discussion" took place with one support (the proposer, User:Hugo999) and one passer-by User:Quuxplusone that mostly suggested a broader name like "Category:Nth-century Korean royalty" that might be less likely to drop articles out of the existing categories. (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 20 for the exact statements). Nevertheless, the closing was "rename".

After that, I had an exchange with the closing person, User:BrownHairedGirl, on my own talk page (see User_talk:Pldx1). I will not comment this exchange, everyone is able to draw her own conclusions. Nevertheless, the passage "their silence is assumed to be assent" is of interest. Do you assent that the Category:Nth-century Korean royalty (or any other name) were to be emptied and replaced by the narrower Category:Nth-century Korean monarchs ? Do you care or not about the strange "Korean monarchs" that can be encountered in the present categories ? Or are you rather with the opinion "let them play with categories" ? After all, if this can't be fixed, don't even try. Pldx1 (talk) 10:47, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:DRV shows how to challenge an XfD close which anyone believes to be mistaken. Sadly,  seems to prefer sounding off rather than finding solutions., which is why I disengaged.  Sadly, I am unsurprised to see that Pldx1 is now posting here rather than taking steps to solve the perceived problem.
 * In this case, if there are non-monarchs now in monarchs categories, the simplest solution is to move the non-monarchs to broader categories. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I haven't found any Reliable Source to assert explicitly that Lê Túc Tông was not a Korean monarch. Building a consensus before launching a Righteous Suppression Campaign could be better. Pldx1 (talk) 14:40, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "To be honest, I haven't found any Reliable Source to assert explicitly that Lê Túc Tông was not a Korean monarch ." Sorry but your comment is "really funny". You mean that "Lê dynasty" is existed in Korean monarchy??? Be careful, "Lê" is absolutely not "Lee" (or "Yi", Joseon monarchs' first name). More, "Lee" in Korean is pronounced as "Lý" (not "Lê") in Vietnamese. And above all, Lê Túc Tông have a link to wiki page of Vietnamse official history book Đại Việt sử ký toàn thư (considered as an academic source). I think you can't read Vietnamese, or don't know anything about Vietnam's history or Vietnamese names. Otherwise, you have no "funny" comment like this, hahaha. Kenny htv (talk) 14:04, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear user user:Kenny htv. Thank you for your explanations of the fact that Lê Túc Tông was a Vietnamese ruler! Another fact is that he has been tagged  as a Korean monarch... and that such an obvious error lasted uncorrected from April 2016. My question was rather: should we examine seriously all of these   Category:Nth-century Korean monarchs and detect the errors --like Kim Dam and Lê Túc Tông-- as well as the unsuccessful puppets from abroad like Wang Toghtua Bukha and expel anyone not listed in the List of Korean monarchs? Or should we only stay with the opinion "let them play with categories" ?  Pldx1 (talk) 18:22, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Help with Korean nationality article
Any history buffs want to take on rewriting the Korean nationality article? I think the article is misleading, as it implies that Korean nationality is a thing that currently exists; in my opinion, this article should be about Korean nationality prior to 1945 (as in the historic country of Korea). The South Korean nationality law and Nationality Law of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea are where information about South Korean and North Korean nationality belong. Happy to help if I can, but this isn't my area of expertise. Lenoresm (talk) 21:55, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Links to Kocowa
There are users using Template:KOCOWA in order to link to Kocowa pages for Korean TV shows, a streaming service. Is this something generally allowed? This would see to be against WP:ELNO - linking to service (even if free) and only works in specific countries (USA). We don't link to Netflix, Amazon Video, or even DramaFever this way. Evaders99 (talk) 07:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I have the same question with . I have seen that user (may be the IP 106.245.224.58) and user  added the Kocowa links on the pages of my watchlist and I have all reverted, but this user has also edited many other pages, so I can't continue to revert it manually, this takes lots of time. For me, this is a form of advertising which help the website to increase viewers as well as increase revenue, just like adding a Netflix link to a wiki page about a movie or a variety show. Kenny htv (talk) 10:39, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like that was cleaned up fast. Template deleted and sock'ing user was blocked. Evaders99 (talk) 02:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Reference desk Korean Language question
I know this is a bit unorthodox, to ask here, but I was wondering if someone who speaks Korean could pop over to my question about a Korean expression/word at the language section of the reference desk, here, since no has answered it despite a few days elapsing, and I assume that's because there are no Korean speakers who frequent that resource. Thanks so much.--185.230.124.53 (talk) 14:33, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * For those who watch this page: replied. &mdash; regards, Revi 15:22, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

New potential editor interested in Korea
Hi there! I have a friend who is interested in expanding some topics related to Korea (including creating some new articles), and wondering if someone here might be able to help her get started? If not, I'll go look for someone at the teahouse. Thanks! Atgomez (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, Teahouse is probably better in general, because here we focus on more technical or reference desk like issues. Ex. we can help with choosing a topic or such, but if they just want to learn how to edit, etc. we are not the best place. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:23, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

No memory laws in South Korea?
I am mildly surprised but I cannot find anything. Actually, not much in Asia at all. Really - no legislation about 'it is a crime to deny Japanese crimes' in Korea (or China)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:16, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * IDK about China - but Special law to redeem pro-Japanese collaborators' property, ko:반민족행위처벌법 (failed attempt shortly after ROK establishment, around 1948-49), and so on. related navbox has related articles, except... full of Korean, as you can expect. &mdash; regards, Revi 15:37, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * It would be a failure for an historian to deny Japanese crimes. On the other hand, criminals are often denying their own wrong doings. All of this is only a part of the "use correct names" pattern. Pldx1 (talk) 09:54, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Sijo
So this article was edited by a group of college editors. Here's how it looked before and now (diff). Quite frankly, the article as it is now is a mess. Everything that was added was mostly unsourced. The structure of the article is all over the place. The tone is more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. There are grammar mistakes throughout. Should the additions just be reverted? Is it possible for the article to be fixed by a knowledgeable editor with access to sources and some copyediting? I'd hate to throw away all the work these students did if it's good information and can still be salvaged, but in its current state it seems to be less useful than the shorter article that was there before. Note that the article has been marked mid-importance by this project. Opencooper (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * For a moment I hoped it's a Korean edu ini, but IP traces it back to University Commons at Minneapolis. Not properly registered with WP:SUP and such. Shrug. I am not an expert on that field of Korean poetry, and I think they didn't remove old stuff, and it doesn't read like an essay to me, just - unreferenced. I tagged it as such, and I think we can leave it be. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:48, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Let us work togethre to fix this problem!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.230.124.53 (talk) 01:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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Need Korean speaker/reader to look at on Asia Pacific International School
Had someone add the supposide Korean name for the school to the template box, Google translate makes me suspicious about the edit. If someone could look at the talk page, it would be appreciated. 02:00, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Spring is Coming
Are there are any free images we could use? I've added a related image of the North Korean concert in the South. It's hard to get free license images from the North, so I guess we won't be able to illustrate that (outside fair use)...? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Broken Ridge Buddhist Temple


Try asking at WT:RELIGION? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:31, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Dreaming tree (Geumcheon-gu 'ggumna')
Is this notable? And it probably needs a rename. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:20, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

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Talk:List of best-selling albums in South Korea
Please leave your comments about changing the format of this list in Talk:List of best-selling albums in South Korea. Thanks. Lenoresm (talk) 17:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Founding legends of the Goryeo royal family
There's a bit of a dispute going on at Founding legends of the Goryeo royal family. Unfortunately, it's a very obscure article and topic that not many people are aware of, so it's just me and an IP. I would greatly appreciate any feedback or comments about the article content itself or the dispute that is going on. Please see the talk page for more information. Thank you. Bamnamu (talk) 23:40, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
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A link to a DAB page
Korean shamanism mentions "The Isanmyo, a shrine built in 1925 dedicated to the four holy kings Dangun, Taejo, Sejong and Gojong" in a caption on a photograph. Three of the links are unambiguous; however, Taejo is a DAB page, and my knowledge of Korean history is as near to nil as makes no difference. Can any expert here help solve the problem? Thanks in advance, Narky Blert (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert by any means, but according to Korean websites on the topic, the person in question is Taejo of Joseon. Bamnamu (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Korean political parties
Four redirects related to Korean political parties have been nominated at RfD in the last two days. Your input to the discussions listed below is invited: Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
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 * Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 June 9
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Yang Kyoungjong
The sourcing for the article is very poor though. Is it possible this is a hoax or an urban legend? I see sources online that tell the same story, but what if these sources are just repeating what other sources are saying? What is this story ultimately based upon though? When I first came to the article, it was largely based on a Daily Mail article, but that is a low quality source that has been deemed unreliable.

Martin Morgan in "The Americans on D-Day: A Photographic History of the Normandy Invasion" gives some overview of the issue. He mentions that the photo is real, but that the man is not identified in the original photo. It's only a theory emerging in the 1990's that the man is Yang Kyoungjong, and he speculates he is an unidentified man with a Georgian battallion. Link Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * } I will reply at Talk:Yang Kyoungjong where I will copy your message. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:50, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Surname Gim/Kim
There is a requested move for several articles about Korean people whose surname is currently spelled as "Gim". Please help reach a decision at Talk:Gim_Hongdo. Thank you. No such user (talk) 08:36, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Help requested at AfC
Hi! I'd love someone who can read Korean sources to review a draft over at AfC. Cheers, Basie (talk) 22:40, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

"Gukppong" needs editing
Hi. The article Gukppong needs editing and assessing. Thanks! Thinker78 (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Restoration of Ryu Sera's article (ex-Nine Muses) because of increased notability
Hi, I've restored and plan to rework Ryu Sera's article to match up with current standards. It was previously deleted because of a notability issue, but a lot has changed since then. I've opened a discussion on this on the talk page. The article is currently marked in construction, but I would welcome some comments on the notability issue in advance, so I don't waste my time. Thank you. Mast3r (talk) 16:59, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Advice on appropriate lang tags for Korean
If you have experience with tags and the like, could you look in at Wikipedia talk:Typo Team/moss Lang tags - where to get advice/approval, where I'm uncertain how to handle (code) three different versions of the same text: as transliterated hangul, in hangul, and in hanja. Shenme (talk) 22:46, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Help needed from someone who understands Korean
At Talk:TrueCrypt a new editor is making claims that are But we all know that Google Translate often misses important things, so I need someone who understands Korean to read the sources and post an opinion as to whether the claims are found in the sources. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:25, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
 * [A] extremely implausible from a technical standpoint, and
 * [B] according to Google Translate, do not appear appear to be contained in the sources he cited.

Article on notable Korean figure declined.
I have recently been declined because according to the reviewer, my article "does not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject." However, my sources are coming directly from Korea's Ministry of Patriot's and Veteran's Affairs and reliable news periodicals (Sinhan Minbo/New Korea). One issue for readers may be that the older news periodicals uses old Korean which can be difficult to read by even Koreans. I feel that the reviewer was unable to carefully review my sources and thus declined it. Here is the link to my draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Song_Oh-kyun. I am looking forward to everyone's feedback. Mlee965 (talk) 17:05, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the Sinhan Minbo, but according to the USC database, the newspaper was published by the Korean National Association, which Song seems to have been affiliated with — I assume that was the reviewer's objection. The source from the Ministry of Patriot's and Veteran's Affairs is good though. Perhaps you can also find an obituary or see what sources other articles related to the Korean independence movement cite? Good luck! Lenoresm (talk) 17:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)


 * This does look like something from my alley (history, notability). Unfortunately, I have to say I share the reviewers concerns. I cannot find a single English-language source about him (and my Korean is not good enough to look for other Korean sources). He doesn't appear to be a subject to any extensive coverage or analysis outside passing mentions and an obituary. Also, his biography does not suggest anything, well, raising to the point of being encyclopedic (general failure of WP:NBIO). Final red flag is no Korean Wikipedia article (generally Korean Wikipedia has lower notability standards than English, so if even it doesn't write about a Korean subject, it is not boding well). To prevent your article from being deleted (as happens to old drafts), you can copy it to your userspace. I am sorry to say, but Wikipedia may not be the right outlet to host his biography. I'd encourage you to consider contributing to Korean-American history topics that do pass WP:N guideline. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

High Importance Article - GA Nominated
A high importance B class article within the WikiProject Korea group, Exo, has been nominated for GA status, so if anyone can assist in reviewing it by clicking "start review" here, that would be helpful. Thank you. NicklausAU (talk) 07:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Again requesting anyone involved in WikiProject Korea to review this article. It has been nominated for almost 2 weeks without any reviews. This article has the highest page views of any article within the WikiProject Korea group. NicklausAU (talk) 03:20, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Once again, requesting anyone involved in the WikiProject Korea to review this article. It's been nominated for over a month now. NicklausAU (talk) 21:52, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Just checking in again, it's now been over 2 months since I nominated Exo (band) (now the 2nd most viewed article on Wikipedia) for Good Article status without any reviews. I am incredibly active, so a review process should hopefully be pretty quick and painless. I would very much appreciate any time anyone can spare in reviewing this article. You can find instructions on how to conduct a Good Article review here. You can find links to begin a Good Article review for Exo (band) on the talk page and on the list of nominations.  Nicklaus AU   03:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Requesting again, for anyone with time available for a GA review to consider reviewing Exo (band). The article has now been nominated for over 3 months. Any user, with or without experience, can review an article. There are instructions available here. You can find links to begin a Good Article review for Exo (band) on the talk page and on the list of nominations.  Nicklaus AU   04:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * It's nice you post the updates here, but GAs have backlog and I guess we don't have any K-pop enthusiast here (as surprising as it may be). Myself, I am not really interested in this topic, I am afraid (and TBH, I find reliability of music sources and notability issues to be so complex I stay away from those topic; through I am sure EXO is notable). For what it's worth, the article's references and structure look fine, but I just can't find much will to read the contents. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I post here because there is a general backlog of GA nominees, but not specifically for articles within this WikiProject. Also, with the added difficulty of many of the sources being in Korean, it is a bit unlikely that someone outside this Wikiproject would want to review it. And yeah it's a big article too, so many people have that reaction. I'll just give it time.  Nicklaus AU   02:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

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WP:KOREANNAMES
Where is the guideline for romanization located? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * WP:NCKO and MOS:KOREA, which contradict each other. In practice, the latter's recommendation to use McCune-Reischauer for pre-1945 topics isn't widely followe, e.g. Dangun, Goguryeo, Baekje (see Talk:Baekje/Archive 2), Joseon. Cheers, 59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:42, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * In a better world, the divided families would have been reunited. But for the moment, we have to live with the fact that there are two legitimate authorities about the romanization of the Korean language. Namely the North Korean Government, and the South Korean Government. Everything else is only void agitation of people from the past, that are so proud of their own methods to decide from abroad on such matters... and so proud to slow down the standardization that would be required to facilitate automatized translations. Don't be so surprised that most of the people prefer to keep it simple. Pldx1 (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Daegu article discussion
There's a discussion about whether or not some changes she be reverted or not over here at its talk page. I'd appreciate it if anybody came over to give their opinions, because I'm still kinda new at editing Wikipedia so I'd love your guys' assistance! Thank you so much for your time. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Kim Jong Yang new interim president of Interpol
There is very little information about him in English online media but given he got such a high position I guess he must have had important positions in his home country before. Could anyone contribute relevant sources, please? Crotopaxi (talk) 14:55, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format
An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation). Cheers, Number   5  7  15:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

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Featured quality source review RFC
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Draft:Choi Nakyoon
I think an AfC reviewer who understands Korean can help with this. Thanks! Dial911 (talk) 01:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

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Portal:Korea
At Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Korea, the Portal:Korea is considered for deletion. It is not clear if anyone cares about such portal, see the views count [|Korea|Portal:South_Korea|Portal:North_Korea wmflabs], while the displayed snippets are no more maintained since 2012. Has anyone any intent to maintain this portal (i.e. not simply saying "it would be great if someone else was doing the job") ? Pldx1 (talk) 07:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:North Korea
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MfD nomination of Portal:South Korea
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Naming convention for "Hangul"
Cross-link to a discussion I posted at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean) Please discuss there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Additional notifications for above 3 Deletion Nominations for portals for Korea, North Korea and South Korea
revi, Abdotorg, Alexanderlee, ChromeGames923, DanielleTH, Explicit, Finnusertop (I think you already know), GD.BB, Heolkpop, Kanghuitari, Kenny htv, Meloras, Piotrus, Random86, Rickinasia, Snowflake91, Sunuraju, Teemeah

Hi all, I know that the WikiProject has been fairly inactive. And I am not an organizer, but I wanted to let anyone that might be interested know about the above listed Deletion Nominations for three Portals, for Korea, North Korea and South Korea (see 3 last entries above)....where Discussions are currently taking place. I am not encouraging a vote, or canvassing, either way, just thought that many of you that contribute to Korean articles, may want to see the Discussions going on and/or Vote either way.

One of the contentions is that WikiProject Korea is inactive and has not been updating the Portals. Although we don't meet regularly here on the project page, and the page has been fairly inactive for a couple of years....I know that many editors are still creating and maintaining Korean related pages. And since the Portals are being criticized for not being kept up, also, maybe someone could help with their maintenance. My editing skills are limited and I don't quite understand the Portal process, but I know a lot of you are smarter than me.

I am pinging as many as I know of, for notification, as an extension to the above notifications, again not for any purposes of infuencing the votes either way. And I apologize if I have missed anyone or pinged anyone that did not wish to receive this notification.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 02:39, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The main issue IMHO is that portals are useless since nobody visits them. So while they are harmless, any effort put towards maintaining them is wasted. The only reason for keeping them I can think of is sentimental/wiki history value. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:48, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for fast response Piotrus, yes I agree, they are outdated...but wondered why all the countries portals were not being put up for deletion, just these three? I didn't know where to find any discussion about the Portals, in general, and also, kind of hoped for some renewed activity on the WikiProject Korea page, although some of it's sub-projects are still active. I am not much of a joiner and never participated here, but I liked the belonging aspect, creating and editing Korean related pages as I could.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 02:57, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Why those were nominated - best ask the nominator. My guess it's random. When I nominate stuff for deletion, it's often is based on semi-random category I have chosen for review. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:17, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear User:Bonnielou2013. I was not the one who put Portal:Korea under scrutiny. Once having starting my part of this review, I got convinced that the best thing to do with these three Korea's portals was to delete them as poor abandoned things. There are good articles, that have people to maintain them. Portals haven't. Some other countries' portals are also under a deletion process. But there is a strong reluctance to delete all the portals: indeed, the global result will probably be quite at random, with decent countries remaining burdened by non maintained portals. Pldx1 (talk) 19:42, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Wikiproject
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I'm new here. So for a class project, I am working on an article titled "Immigration policy of South Korea". Before I start to add anything, is anyone also working on this page? I just wanted to make sure that I have the green light to do so.

Thank you, Jwlyoung (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Recently, that page has not been edited often. I think you can freely edit it. --Christian140 (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * . Double checking everything, for pertinence and for obsolescence would be prudent. Good luck for your project! Pldx1 (talk) 18:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Duplicate article?
Can someone please have a look at the recenty created Mangweol-dong Cemeteries: Old and New? Is this distinct from the existing May 18th National Cemetery article, or can they be merged into one? PC78 (talk) 21:53, 8 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi PC78, I agree they should be merged and added the merge tags, suggesting the recent one be merged into the older one. Do you know how to start the discussion at the Talk:May 18th National Cemetery, I am not too good at that, and since you caught the likeness, maybe you can start the Discussion? Good catch, I think the creator User:May282019 may be part of a Wiki Ed group, but I haven't tracked down the class yet.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 07:50, 12 June 2019 (UTC) I also notified both page creators on their Talk pages.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 08:31, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


 * I've copy/pasted the above at Talk:May 18th National Cemetery, please post any further comments on that page. Thanks! PC78 (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Another recenty created article may also need looking at, see the note I've left at Talk:South Korean nationality law. PC78 (talk) 21:59, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Sasaek
The redirect, which currently targets Sarim, has been nominated at Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 June 17. The discussion would benefit significantly from those who speak Korean and those familiar with Korean history. Thryduulf (talk) 14:30, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Draft:No kids zone
Interesting/amusing, but needs major c/e for language, etc. Perhaps someone would be interested in finishing this? It was created by a student and their motivation to edit vanishes when the semester is over... --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)ci


 * I've added some citations to use at the bottom of the article....yes it looks fun....I'll convert the Korean language ones to match....but anyone is welcome to use the ones I've added, I'm too tired today to do any real editing. Piotrus where do you get the energy for the students! Amazing!--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 08:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Heh, been doing this for ~10 years now: User:Piotrus/Educational project results. Once you get the syllabus and related skills, it's an assignment that mostly runs itself. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Portal link in project banner
See discussion at Template talk:WikiProject Korea. PC78 (talk) 18:16, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Jihye Kim
Can someone please take a look at this article? Most of the sources are in Korean but the two in English give her name as Heo Jung-eun (허정은). This is her profile on HanCinema: https://www.hancinema.net/korean_Heo_Jung-eun.php Can anyone tell where the name "Kim Ji-hye" comes from? PC78 (talk) 14:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The article appears to mostly be a copy of Heo Jung-eun. It's possible Heo changed her name, but that would need to be sourced, and there shouldn't be two articles about the same person. Lenoresm (talk) 20:04, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Good spot, I didn't think to check for an existing article! Not sure what the intention was then but I've tagged it for speedy deletion as a duplicate. PC78 (talk) 02:46, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Merge discussion at Talk:Partners for Justice (season 1)
Opinions welcome on the linked discussion. This looks like two seasons of the same series to me, and it seems confusing to have separate articles for each without having an article for the series as a whole. PC78 (talk) 17:16, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Translation request of a sentence in Korean
Hello. I would like to request someone who speaks Korean to please translate the sentence you find here, so that we make sure we don't write incorrect statements. Thank you. --  Chiya ko92 07:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems you already finished the discussion over there. Anyways, BTS should have sold definitely way more albums than Girls' Generation or Super Junior. The music markets in the world have been in decline for more than 20 years now. And this decline was huge. In some years, some countries fell by like 50%. Today's music industry is only a fraction of what it was used to in the 1980s or mid 1990s. This fall was no different for Korea at first. However, Korea and China were the only two countries in the past decade, that were able to turn this trend. All other countries are still shrinking as of today. You can compare all the IFPI data. To get back to the topic. Although, Korea was the first country that could stop the downturn, already mid 2000s or so, around of 2010, Korea was not even in the top 20 of the biggest music markets in the world. As of 2017 or 2018, Korea is the 6th biggest music market in the world. So, at the time Super Junior and Girls' Generation were popular, the market was much smaller than today. All the currently popular artists sell more than the "back then popular" artists. Nevertheless, the linked Gaon site only takes artists into consideration who debuted after 2010. That is correct. --Christian140 (talk) 16:05, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

FYI: VANK trying to manipulate Wikipedia

 * VANK guidelines (in Korean, backup in case they take this down)
 * page 4 to 12 is the AfC process documentation, page 14 to 17 is about Commons uploading and page 18 for using it on Wikipedia, page 19 about AfC process itself and bypassing AfC by being autoconfirmed. The rest is about manipulating other Wikipedias like French, German, etc etc.

I've received this from someone @ Korean Wikipedia. The guide documents how to create an DRAFT for WP:AfC, how to bypass AfC by being autoconfirmed (with something wrong in the docs), and the initiative to change the some page title to Dokdo and East Sea. I am not sure where to post this so my natural choice is here.

&mdash; regards, <span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi 05:27, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Not sure if any admins are following this page. Might be worth copying this to talk pages of potentially affected pages. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:36, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Left a pointer to this page on the talk pages of two primary target, Liancourt Rocks and Sea of Japan. &mdash; regards, <span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi 08:27, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Copied this to AN. It's of direct interest to administrators and will get far more eyes. Thank you. ——  SerialNumber  54129  08:43, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I've taken down some information in Aster spathulifolius and Sedum takesimense, which were acting as WP:COATRACKs. Should I leave the name of the island as 'Dokdo' or should I change it to 'Liancourt Rocks'? – Teratix ₵ 13:33, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * We should use the name of the wikipedia article which is Liancourt Rocks. MilborneOne (talk) 13:45, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks like Yonhap (Yonhap) consider this as 'news' and published (something like PR campaign) something. &mdash; regards, <span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi 04:56, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks to dear Revi (apologies for the familiar, the perks of meeting a WP Steward in real-life) for keeping us apprised of this group with assumed POV intent on Wikipedia...that Yonhap covered it is very interesting. But it is hard for a non-Korean to understand the political (or for Wikipedia editors, the POV) implications and how it affects normal editors. In the past, I have even been alerted to distinguishing "South Korea" instead of "Korea" in regular usage by a South Korean editor on English Wikipedia. As a foreigner, I cannot say what the differences in writing one or the other means, but I think it mattered to him greatly and I have tried to honor it in my work henceforth, only calling the language "Korean".


 * On the issue of the East Sea....for example, reliable newspapers, JoongAng Ilbo and The Korea Times call the Sea of Japan the "East Sea",, ...which I used at tourist related pages Sea Train (Korail) and Jeongdongjin Station (for this one I noted both names for the sea). I have additionally used "West Sea" for Yellow Sea for the page G-Train (Korail), per a citation at Korea JoongAng Daily,.


 * I read the Yonhap article, provided by Revi, on VANK's booklet, which was written by a political science and diplomacy major at Yonsei University as saying it is a means of correcting "Korean history distortions and errors", not as a criticism by the media. And, being from the U.S., where our history books glazed over native American and black American content during my school years, I have reservations before jumping to conclusions here.


 * Any thoughts or feedback that can help me here? Yes I know that we have named Liancourt Rocks as such due to the age of the name and politics haven't changed it yet to Dokdo....but is VANK, in general, doing something wrong (I myself advise new users how to make a few edits to be able to edit a locked page, and advise them to create a User profile to look more friendly).--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 07:04, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Addition - I may have answered my own question after looking at the VANK page and doing some more research. I see that the group are activists for a cause, however well-meaning, and should be monitored for NPOV additions to WP. The alert by Revi was a revelation to me, and perhaps other editors. Well done. And, per the Sea of Japan, I read the section - Sea of Japan naming dispute and assume WP has, or will, worked out an agreement on the correct name to use for articles pertaining to South Korea.--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 20:54, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

First Republic of Korea
This article was moved in 2017 with the following comment: Always refer to the state's official name in this sense. Assuming this is correct, should be changed to match the article? PC78 (talk) 23:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal:North Korea and Portal:South Korea
Proposal to delete all portals. The discussion is at Village pump (proposals). Voceditenore (talk) 08:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)