Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latvia/Archive 2

Wrong maps
I'd like to point out that in Image:Latvia districts blank.png and maps based on it lake of Liepāja marked so that it looks like a part of the Sea (I guess it's because of the strange way CIA World Factbook map marks this lake) Xil ...  sist!  08:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've found another wrong looking map - Image:Lettland-Karte.png Xil ...  sist!  23:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I left a note for User:Golbez here PētersV (talk) 18:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Taip arba Ne ==

Can you have a look at Taip arba Ne please and see if it is notable enough for Wikipedia. There are loads of hits for this on Google, but not so much in English. --Montchav (talk) 21:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC) Oops, wrong baltic state, --Montchav (talk) 21:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Heads of state
An IP keeps changing content of List of Presidents of Latvia to what could be called list of heads of Latvia. Due to this discussion and the fact that it is not (in my opinion) in the article's scope, I keep reverting his edits. Now he suggested to rename the list Heads of Latvia, I suggested him that if he wants such list he should get seperate article created, but he added his list again. I am not sure if such list would be good idea nor if he would stop if someone else would create it. Anyway I would like a second opinion - I can't keep endlesly reverting him only because I don't agree with him and he seems to be ignoring discussion Xil ...  sist!  22:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Block him! he's an obvious candidate since he does not follow instructions placed on his talk page. Philaweb   T - C  23:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * On what basis ? I'm not sure if his violating any rules - I haven't seen any rule that would say that user who ignores discussion should be blocked, there is no consensus, that heads of state shouldn't be there, this isn't vandalsim and he seems to do good to other articles  Xil ...  sist!  01:59, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * For what reasons do you keep reverting his edits then? Now, he needs to propose fundamental changes via the talk page, not via the edit remarks. He also needs to familiarize himself with good wiki manners, without having to revert articles into submission. Philaweb   T - C  07:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said I feel that there is vague support to my view and adding content which dosen't match with title of the page seems wrong. Now he has added it back and I'm not sure if I won't break rules if I revert him again, I left a him a note that it would be better if he would explain his views, just in case he hasn't realised that he should somehow react to notes left on talk page. This isn't going to work out as long as there are only two people involved, so I'd also would like to know if others support this version instead of IP's version Xil ...  sist!  15:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And now some User:Ivan Bogdanov moved the page to List of Heads of State of Latvia, I think I'll move the previous version to seperate article if people are unable to create pages, or are there any other suggestions ? Xil ...  sist!  23:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Have a look at Talk:List of Heads of State of Latvia. Philaweb   T  14:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good, exactly what was needed Xil ...  sist!  15:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We have a problem - User:Ivan Bogdanov keeps removing templates from the List of Heads of State of Latvia and the IP added that list to List of Presidents of Latvia again Xil ...  sist!  16:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If the IP activity continues, we can always request protection for edits from anonymous sources for a period of time. I'm hoping that our anonymous Serbian IP finds more pressing current issues to deal with. —PētersV (talk) 17:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC) P.S. Xil, your version is obviously the correct one, it lists **Presidents**.
 * Now he's doing the same thing to Prime Minister of Latvia. Philaweb   T  21:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Vecrumba, he obviously is this Ivan (atleast they use simmilar edit summary - "Ivan IV") so semi-block won't do. Xil ...  sist!  21:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The anon-ID is using a fixed IP-address via the ISP called Serbia Broadband. A block would only affect this IP. Philaweb   T  21:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Ivan Bogdanov just received the fourth reversion warning for his reversions on Prime Minister of Latvia.  Philaweb   T  21:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought Vecrumba meant something else, also I just noticed that he was using different IP of the same provider when he made first edits to Presidents. He's been blocked to three days. Anyway I've suggested to split the heads of state article, please take a look at its talk page. This could produce several reasonable articles and perhaps he will get what he wants and stop. Xil ...  sist!  08:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Mareks Seglins
People from this WikiProject may be interested in assessing and improving this article. Thank you.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 17:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Centralized discussion/Country of birth
Please check Centralized discussion/Country of birth, it appears important Alex Bakharev (talk) 14:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

1000 articles
It's time to celebrate our 1000th article and to drink a bottle of beer ;). And by the way, we don't have any good articles, I think it's time to finish and nominate some of our best articles. Denis Tarasov (talk) 16:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Cheers! We have some obscure article on some basketball player ;) at a glance 2006 Riga summit and Salaspils look good enough to try Xil   *  17:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way Denis, don't you think it would be more approporiate to nominate NATO summit under Politics section, not Military ? It's more about international organisiation than military - people who look in that section probably look for battles & stuff, so it might take ages until someone reviews it Xil   *  23:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it doesn’t matter, although you can move it, if you think it will get better. I also think it's better to leave the phrase about CIS summit in the article... it intentionally was held in the same day as the NATO summit. Denis Tarasov (talk) 12:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better if you would move it as you nominated it, it matters because the page has backlog - it may take long time until it's reviewed in any case, but it ought to get reviewed faster if it's placed in category where people, who might be interesed to review it, look. If the CIS summit was held on the same day on purpose, the article should say so, otherwise it isn't logic to leave that fact - CIS is compleatly diferent organisation and Latvia has never even been its member  Xil   *  13:20, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Mind that Riga summit has been put on hold, reviewer says that article should be better referenced and that there could be more images, if we won't do something about it it will be failed after 7 days Xil   *  16:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Andrejs Zavadskis
Does Andrejs Zavadskis merit an article? (Has he had any solo exhibitions, or has he had any books published?) I note that there's no link to an article on him in Latvian-language Wikipedia. The article on him here talks of winning some contests, but I don't know how notable they are. There's something obscure about a "gallery" (an exhibition?). The article ends on a most humdrum note -- but then, he's remarkably young. (Perhaps he'll deserve an article ten or twenty years from now.) Am I missing something? (Unfortunately I can't read Latvian.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks like Andrejs took courses at FotoAkadēmija, itself founded in September, 2005, and the photographers mentioned are his school instructors. Andrejs has apparently been very busy posting pictures, running his own photo blog, signing up on photo sites, registering multiple domain names to his site, and joining professional organizations.
 * His work's not bad--though there are glimpses of the slightly over-the-top and staged Latvian aesthetic I recognize from exhibitions I've seen in Rīga. (My "expertise" includes: my father graduated from the Latvian Academy of Art before the war, I grew up in the Latvian artists exile community in New York, I studied calligraphy and photography at Cooper Union, years ago, but I still got "A"s in both from the toughest professors,...)
 * With regard to the photo contest, "Latio" is a real estate company. They are the corporate sponsor, working together with the Ministry of Culture, of the "Latvijas Fotogrāfija" annual award, with an exhibit held in the gallery "Arsenāls". So being among the winners (there are a number, with a fair number of photographs among them in total) is a reasonable accomplishment.
 * However, I'm concerned that Andrejs is not notable yet and that given the article creation edit history, appearing to have been created by a single-purpose account also created the same day and which has not edited since, the article is really a self-promotion piece. —PētersV (talk) 15:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

IP 213.180.97.70 making disruptive edits
User:213.180.97.70 has been making various edits which, personally, strike me as disruptive. These (somewhat bizarrely) often involve replacing references to Lithuanian with ones to Latvian, as well as trying to make far-right Latvian movements be presented as simply "nationalists". I assume this guy is a member or hang-around of "Visu Latvijai!". Keep an eye out for his "contributions". —Zalktis (talk) 15:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Dosen't look very distruptive - one might indeed wonder why if a large nummber of various languages is given, it gives only Lithuanian, if it could refer to Latvian as well (though simply deliting Lithuanian is wrong of course). Also All for Latvia! themselves call their party national conservative and perhaps simply calling them nationalist dosen't reflect their views on things like homosexuality Xil   *  16:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Categories
Hello. There are 77 officialy designated cities in Latvia but it seems there is no linguistic distinction between city and town in Latvian, this causes problems with nomenclature, here on WP. Would renaming Cat:Cities in Latvia to Cat:Cities and towns in Latvia be reasonable? Thanks. - Darwinek (talk) 13:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a legal designation and see User_talk:Yyy (so I don't have to make a lenghtly explenation) Xil   *  21:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I see. So what do you propose? Should it stay where it is? - Darwinek (talk) 09:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there an option to indicate that it is a legal designation - I see that township has different meaning than it might seem, but perhaps there is some synonim ? Xil   *  13:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably the best way is to indicate it at the top of the category and make a link to List of cities in Latvia, which already explains the official designation. I see three possible ways for categories:

What do you think? - Darwinek (talk) 13:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Let it be as it is.
 * 2) Make "Cities and towns in Latvia" for 77 cities/towns and remaining settlements put into "Villages in Latvia" category.
 * 3) Leave "Cities in Latvia" alone, make redirect from "Towns in Latvia" to it and create "Villages in Latvia" for remaining settlements.
 * I'm not sure what should be done - cities and towns seem OK as long as other populated places are not taken into account - I don't know how these are officilay divided, and the current Towns and villages category list quite different things together. We could call towns and villages category populated places, however that would seem to include cities as well Xil   *  15:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm talking about - category only for Latvian cities and another for other settlements. Both are in use as for now but the only issue here is naming, i.e. if they should be renamed. - Darwinek (talk) 15:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
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Oliver Kahn
Oliver Kahn is of partial Latvian descent: his grandmother was Latvian, his grandfather Baltic German, and his father was born in Liepāja. His Latvian background caused media speculation as to whether this would affect his perfromance in the Germany–Latvia game during the UEFA Euro 2004 championships. Should this famous German goalkeeper be included in WikiProject Latvia? —Zalktis (talk) 06:40, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say no. Unless he is aware and active on Latvian subjects. Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 11:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Latvian music industry
I've been unable to find information pertaining to the Latvian music industry, so I was hoping someone here could help me. Is there a Latvian equivalent to the Recording Industry Association of America or British Phonographic Industry? I ask because I'm working on a global music-market type article (List of music recording sales certifications) and I've been unable to find much info pertaining to the Latvian music industry. Any help anyone could give would very much appreciated. Drewcifer (talk) 02:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There's the Latvian Music Producers Association, Latvijas Mūzikas Producentu Apvienība (LaMPA). —PētersV (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks! Do you know if they have a website? Drewcifer (talk) 03:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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Names and words in other languages
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Notability and Latvian given names
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Another notability discussion on Latvian names
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Soviet and post-Soviet films task force
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Help needed on a Latvian composer
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Arzt Diät
Can someone weigh in at Articles for deletion/Arzt Diät? There are concerns that Arzt Diät is a hoax. Thank you. – sgeureka t•c 09:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Naming convention
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Discussion about Holocaust
Our agreement is that Holocaust scholars are speaking about "only" 6 Holocaust Extermination camps (stupid definition but ....). Our disagreement is about creation of sub section other extermination camps. With knowledge that there has been many others extermination camps and sites (I know 7 of them) question is: Will we create subsection in The Holocaust template for this camps ? Can you please hear your comments about this question in section Non involved users because maybe even Latvia will have place in rewriten template (events in 1941)?--Rjecina (talk) 15:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Best not touch this infected debate. There is a scholarly basis for calling some Nazi camps "extermination camps", and others not. Just because lots of people died there, does not mean that a particular camp was an "extermination camp". This goes for the GULag as well, my friends. Remember, the Soviets called — and Russia Today still calls — Salaspils a "death camp", thus raising it to the status of 'Latvia's Auschwitz'. This kind of rhetoric excludes any real scholarly attempts to grasp what actually happened there; anyone who offers any other nomenclature immediately becomes tarred as a Holocaust denier who supposedly belittles the (very real) suffering of the victims. —08:48, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Latvian constitutional referendum, 2008
This article needs reassessed as it is currently rated as a stub but I have significantly expanded it since then. Valenciano (talk) 08:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

All these information are wrong!

Notability slamdunked
Only 8 minutes after creating the article Uldis Ģērmanis, it got slamdunked by a deletion notice due to lack of notability. Can you believe it?! Talk/♥фĩłдωəß♥\Work 19:50, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sadly, I can believe it. I recently had to work really hard to rescue MikroTik from the deletionists, despite the fact that IT is not really my area. Whenever something is Latvian, it automatically is often assumed to be non-notable per se, especially by monoglot Anglophones who've "never heard of it". —Zalktis (talk) 07:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)