Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Malaysia/Archive 4

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Categorisation of BLPs by religion and ethnicity
This is an issue that has been bugging me for a while.

Malaysian BLPs are currently sorted into a range of categories on both religion and ethnicity. For example, Category:Malaysian Muslims and Category:Malaysian Christians; and Category:Malay Malaysians and Category:Malaysian Chinese.

I think religious categorisation is entirely appropriate and common across this wikipedia's BLP article space. However, articles seem to have been included in categories, especially Category:Malaysian Muslims, based on assumptions about the BLP's religion. For example, if it is a politician is from UMNO or PAS, or a person who has a Malay name, they're thrown into Category:Malaysian Muslims. Now those kinds of assumptions are likely to be correct 99.99% of the time in Malaysia given the peculiar Constitutional circumstances but I'm concerned that in an encylopedia we should only be assigning religious identification based on reliable sources. In other words, we should only include someone in Category:Malaysian Muslims if there's a verified source that says they're a Muslim.

Ethnic categorisations trouble me a little more. There, articles seem to be categorising BLPs by making assumptions from a person's name or physical appearance. Again, I think we consider only assigning BLPs to ethnic categories if there is a verified source saying the BLP is of that ethnicity. Making assumptions about names can of course be unsafe (eg an Arab migrant could have a Muslim name and be mistaken for a Malay).

Thoughts? --Mkativerata (talk) 16:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Isn't it confusing if you think about it? There are so many categories when it come to describing Malays in Malaysia. We have Category:Malaysian Muslims,  Category:Malaysian Muslims, Category:Malaysian Sunni Muslims, Category:Malaysian Islamists.  Perhaps you can refer to Category:Religion in Malaysia to see where all these fit together, especially in regards to Malaysian religion categories.  Now for ethnic categories, we can either do away with them or use them provided we have proper sources or references to proof their ethnicity. Again there are too many categories for my liking.  - Category:Ethnic groups in Southeast Asia, Category:Ethnic groups in Malaysia.  Roman888 (talk) 18:48, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I didn't realise there was a complexity issue as well as a sourcing issue. How do we know someone is a Sunni Muslim, because we assume all Malaysian Muslims are? That's not satisfactory in my view. I'm tempted to remove all such categorisations of articles (except for those that can be sourced) and let the reader of each article make their own assumptions about the subject's race and ethnicity. --Mkativerata (talk) 18:58, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to inform you that Category:Malaysian Sunni Muslims has been nominated for deletion. Arteyu ?  Blame it on me ! 16:23, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

RM Royal Regalia of Malaysia
I requested that Royal Regalia of Malaysia be moved to Regalia of Malaysia to avoid redundancy in the title. Please comment on the article's talkpage. — Kpalion(talk) 09:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Photo requests
I would like to submit the following photo requests: Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 10:52, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Malaysia Airlines head office (Admin 1 and other admin buildings) at Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport
 * Air Asia/Air Asia X head office at Kuala Lumpur International Airport

GA Reassessment of United Malays National Organisation
I have done a GA Reassessment of the United Malays National Organisation as part of the GA Sweeps project. I have found that the article does not meet the current GA Criteria. Here is my review. This is a high level review, and the issues raised do not represent the entirety of the article. I will put the article on hold for a week pending work and notify all interested projects and editors. Once work on this initial review is accomplished I will do a more thorough review of the content. If you have any questions please contact me on my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 17:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Democratic Action Party GA review
The article Democratic Action Party is undergoing a review as part of the good article sweeps project. The article does not seem to meet current requirements for a good article. It has been put on hold for a week; if these issues are addressed satisfactorily within that period the article will be kept as a GA, otherwise it will be delisted. Lampman (talk) 17:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Social contract (Malaysia) is up for reassessment as well, like the two above. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 03:30, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Article 153 of the Constitution of Malaysia: FA review
nominated Article 153 of the Constitution of Malaysia for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Copyright concerns related to your project
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Nicol David: GA nomination
I have currently nominated Nicol David  for a good  article review here. Anyone is welcome to join the discussion and drop in some comments or suggestion. Any help on fixing the article so that it meets the good article criteria would also be great. Thanks! Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
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Nicol David - promoted to GA class
I'm pleased to inform you guys that, following the Good Article review process, Nicol David has now been promoted to the Good Articles class. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 15:21, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done, Arteyu! --Mkativerata (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mkativerata (: Arteyu ?  Blame it on me ! 05:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

August 2008 Collaboration article
A bit early, but the previous collab went on for more than 2 months:

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Unfree images on Bahasa Melayu Wikipedia
Recently, I've been tagging for deletion a lot of unfree images of Malaysian politicians on the English Wikipedia. The images have been generally been uploaded with erroneous claims of irreplaceability. The images have been deleted.

The problem is that on the Malay language wikipieda - [ms.wikipedia.org] - the use of unfree images for Malaysian politicians is more flagrant. Pictures are being directly lifted from the website of the Malaysian Parliament (which holds copyright in the images) with what appear to be erroenous claims of replaceability or sometimes no licensing information at all. See this and this for two examples among hundreds.

My problem is I'm not proficient enough in Bahasa Melayu to confidently report the problem on ms.wikipedia.org. I imagine that copyright violations are just as problematic for wikipedia whatever the language-wikipeda the problems are on. Is there anyone who may be able to help with reporting the problem?

Renaming of Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation to Konfrontasi
Hello wikipedians: I would like to propose a suggestion that the title Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation can be renamed to Konfrontasi without any problem. First of all, if you refer to Konfrontasi in the wikipedia, you usually mean the conflict between Malaysia and Indonesia lasting from 1963 to 1966. The use of the local term also emphasizes the local character of that conflict. If I see other titles using local terms like the German Machtergreifung (instead using the English translation seizure of power), I don't see any reason, why Malaysian terms can't be used here, too. (Konfrontasi is not the most difficult Malaysian/Indonesian word, either. ;)) And, the title wouldn't be also that bulky like Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation. No mixing up with other events, shorter title, regional character of that conflict and so on are my arguments to propose such a move. --Sukarnobhumibol (talk) 07:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya sure. Its much simpler and nice. ќמшמφטтгמ torque 12:29, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And for some German events German terms are used, like Machtergreifung, so why not using Malaysian/Indonsian terms for some Malaysian/Indonesian (meaningful) events? --Sukarnobhumibol (talk) 15:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Notice
I've been sending out notifications to existing members of WikiProject Malaysia on the revamping of the project. If I have missed anyone out, my sincere apologies. The first stage of the revamping would be updating the members list and collecting ideas/feedback.


 * For existing members, please confirm yourselves in the member list here. The list would then be transcluded to the current members list.
 * For those who are interested in this project, whether you're from Malaysia or not, we would love your contributions. Please add yourselves to the members list mentioned above.
 * We're collecting suggestions/feedback on this project. It has been stagnant for a while and I think that it's time it moves forward. To propose any suggestions, give comments or feedback, please write it here.

In conclusion, I'll be sending regular updates to the respective talk pages. If there's any questions, please leave them in the Ideas and feedback page or on my talk page. Cheers and happy editing, Bejinhan  Talk   11:40, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons
The WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons (UBLPs) aims to reduce the number of unreferenced biographical articles to under 30,000 by June 1, primarily by enabling WikiProjects to easily identify UBLP articles in their project's scope. There were over 52,000 unreferenced BLPs in January 2010 and this has been reduced to 32,665 as of May 16. A bot is now running daily to compile a list of all articles that are in both Category:All unreferenced BLPs and have been tagged by a WikiProject. Note that the bot does NOT place unreferenced tags or assign articles to projects - this has been done by others previously - it just compiles a list.

Your Project's list can be found at WikiProject Malaysia/Unreferenced BLPs. As of May 17 you have approximately 36 articles to be referenced. The list of all other WikiProject UBLPs can be found at WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons/WikiProjects.

Your assistance in reviewing and referencing these articles is greatly appreciated. If you have any questions, please don't hestitate to ask either at WT:URBLP or at my talk page. Thanks, The-Pope (talk) 17:04, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Update
Here's a brief update on the latest... :-
 * I've transcluded the new members list to the prior existing members list. There's a redirect on the new members list page to the actual members list.
 * I've compiled the list of feedback given here and placed them on a plan page. Please do go and take a look at them. For the suggestions to be carried out, we need volunteers. At the bottom of the plan page, there is a  Volunteer  section. Please add your name and include which area you would like to volunteer in.

If you have any questions or comments please leave them here. On behalf of WikiProject Malaysia, Bejinhan  Talk   06:58, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month
Per the WikiProject Malaysia's Plan page, I've "jumpstart" the Collaboration of the Month's project page. Please head over there to vote/comment or submit new nominees. We need your help to make this a success! On behalf of WikiProject Malaysia, Bejinhan  Talk   03:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Help with photographs
Following a my reply to a question at RSN from User:Frugivore (talk), he has decided to upload a large number of his photographs of Maylaysian flora and fauna, but as you can see from the discussion at my talk page, he is new to Wikipedia and also needs some help in identifying the fauna (his expertise is flora). Can anyone here give him some help and encouragement, and would anyone be willing to help in the identification? --RexxS (talk) 12:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I can guide him with the uploading but someone else has to help out with the flora and fauna identifying part... Bejinhan  Talk   03:21, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Sibu by-election, 2010
Hi all - good news, Sibu by-election, 2010 has passed as a good article. Well done to the GA nominator, Kristalyamaki, and other contributors to the article! --Mkativerata (talk) 09:42, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Congratz! That's great! Bejinhan  Talk   13:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

New userbox
Existing userbox: New box I created: Hello, I'm new to the project. I figured I'd join after doing maintenance to bunch of the mass transit articles. I created this new userbox because the old one just looks ugly. If everyone likes it, I'll replace the old one.  æron  phone  home   19:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, this userbox looks better than previous one. A more refreshing view.Cerevisae (talk) 02:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks great! I've added it to the main page and the members page. Bejinhan  Talk   04:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Dewan Rakyat SVG
Hi all. I was working on a vector-based project on our country's election, specifically, about the representation of parties in the 2008 election and the changes since then. I believe creating the picture files in SVG could streamline the update procedure and standardise the appearance, since SVG files can be read and edited with a text editor. Thus, (party) colour change can be applied equally across the picture by changing the colour value, for example.

I'm not good at cartography, but what I did so far was inspired by the recent UK election chart in BBC, in which the parliamentary seats are proportionally represented as hexagons that made up roughly the shape of UK. Therefore, by referring "heavily" on this link, I created the proportional representation of parliamentary districts in Malaysia to be filled in with colour information. The pictures below are only for preview purposes, and may not represent the final upload on Wikipedia.
 * 2008 General Election results
 * Changes since the election

I welcome any questions or opinions on the pictures or related topics. Before you start, I should stress that the state seat districts are not available as of posting time. Since I'm not working full-time on these pictures, I would appreciate some help from you (to create the skeleton, etc). It is my hope that the state district map can look better than the parliamentary one, since there are more hexagons to build up the shape of Malaysia. Looking forward to your replies. HУтaя  talk2me contribs  18:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea. The samples above look good. I would love to help, but unfortunately, I don't do cartography. However, if it's okay with you, I can leave a note about it in the project's newsletter and someone might be able to help. Looking forward to your reply, Bejinhan  Talk   12:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Good work. But I'd just like to remind you that proportional representation means something completely different and might confuse readers. After all, the voting system in Malaysia does not employ proportional representation as it is commonly understood. The BBC map you are referring to is here. They used the description "constituencies are equal size to show small seats in urban areas more clearly." The map you made looks great though! Yk (talk) 14:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I used the term "proportional" to mean the equal representation of constituencies as Yk quoted. I have no idea about the proportional representation article, thus I should rephrase the title (and file name) of the SVGs. Suggestions on that are much appreciated.

For your information, the first SVG file should be under 100 KB after some optimizing that I'll do, while the second one is about 50 KB more. I have some reservations on the second file, because the changes doesn't look clear. I wouldn't want the second file to look exactly like the first one, meaning I just "update" the colours without showing which constituency has changed. Again, I would appreciate if anyone can provide a better way of representing this.

I'm curious about the project newsletter that Bejinhan mentioned. I looked for our cartography talk page, but found nothing inside. Please advise me on which project page I should approach regarding this topic. Of course, I don't mind staying here for a while, since there are more visitors looking around. HУтaя  talk2me contribs  16:08, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Busy
I'm sorry to way that I'll be away for most of the next few weeks for an undetermined length of time. I'm busy with some RL issues. I'll try to come on as often as I can to help with this project. Bejinhan Talk   12:11, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Newsletter
If there are any announcements to be made regarding this wikiproject or any matters related, please leave them here under the 'News' section. They will be placed in the project's monthly newsletter. Bejinhan Talk   10:21, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month
Please vote and nominate for August's Collaboration of the Month here. Bejinhan Talk   12:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Road articles
Would anyone mind if I updated various road articles to use infobox road rather than the number of different templates that are used at the moment. The main advantage is consistency. -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, please do. Would you need any help with it? Bejinhan  Talk   04:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer but it shouldn't take too long to do. -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * All done. A list of the road articles can be found here. -- WOSlinker (talk) 12:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

No article?
I was suprised to find that there was no article on English Wikipedia about the Malay language version; Malay Wikipedia is just a redirect.

I noticed this bit of an attempt; I also had a look for references, but there is not much in English. I suspect there are news sources to show notability in Malay, but I can't speak it...

Wouldn't this be a nice little article to get going - and preferably >1500B so it could be a "Did you know"?

Anyway - just a passing thought; I can't really do it myself because of the language problem. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 16:14, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I've added it into my to-do list. Hopefully it'll be done within the next few weeks or so. Any article that I write must have a DYK. :) Thanks for the suggestion. Bejinhan  Talk   04:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Started the draft page here. And yes, it's difficult finding reliable sources, even in the Malay language. That would be a big problem. I can't even find the founding date of the Wikipedia, other than what was said in the Indonesian Wikipedia article. Even then, the ref was a link to the history of the Malay Wikipedia's Main Page. :( Anyone can edit the draft page, just make sure reliable sources are cited. Bejinhan   talks   06:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

News pertaining to Malaysia
This is an idea, since we're having a monthly newsletter and there's not much project news to fill it out, why don't we have news relating to Malaysia too? The big news, of course. Like if there's a by-election, general election, disaster, etc. Anything notable enough for a mention. If not, having a 3-point newsletter would be waste of time. A 2nd suggestion would be have it as a bi-monthly newsletter. And make the Collab of the Month bi-monthly too. Any thoughts/better suggestions? Bejinhan Talk   04:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * It might be OK, if it linked to relevant Wikipedia articles. I'd keep it brief and take care to be neutral though.  Chzz  ► 17:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * 2010 in Malaysia would be a good place to start with. Cerevisae (talk) 02:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Chzz, that was what I was thinking too. My notability yardstick for it would be a Wikipedia article. Cerevisae, thanks for the link. If there are no objections, I will start putting in major events in the Sept newsletter. Bejinhan  Talk   06:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No objection from me, certainly - I think it is a great idea; it might help get more people interested and involved too.  Chzz  ► 12:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Recruiting users
Currently there are 21 active project members. However not all are actively participating in the project(ex. Collab of the Month) and I was thinking that maybe we could recruit users. They don't have to be Malaysians or anyone living in Malaysia. They could just be someone interested in helping improve WikiProject Malaysia(and Wikipedia). We could hold a 'contest' and award a barnstar to the user with the highest successful referrals and the user with the highest referrals. Bejinhan Talk   06:35, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Jimbo meetup
This might be of interest to the Wikipedian Malaysians. Jimbo will be coming to KL(for the first time) this September 27-28. He might be available to meetup with the Wikipedians here. Is there anyone interested in meeting up with him? Please let me know as soon as possible. Bejinhan  talks   04:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Standards of English
I noticed that there hasn't been any mention (and apologies if I missed it) of improving the atrocious standards of English present in almost all Malaysian articles. I have taken it upon myself to personally correct a couple of pages, but honestly just reading those articles was embarrassing. I suggest this be given a higher priority in revamping Malaysian wikipages. I will correct those I come across (and am open to counter-corrections, of course), but we need more active English-literate users to do this as well (it sounds like a mentally deficient llama wrote some of these). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.141.121.80 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments and your contributions to improve the quality of pages related to Malaysia. I had to admit that this problem is quite widespread and cannot be completely eliminated due to lack of enthusiastic contributors on Malaysia wiki-pages. However, we will strive our best in this aspect.Cerevisae (talk) 05:16, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's too bad. I want to get that tackled according to our plan page but we have a contributor problem. :p At this point of time, this project has 23 "active" members. But not all are enthusiastic about improving the articles concerned. It's kinda difficult to work with and I can't run a one-man show. Bejinhan   talks   05:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately bad English is only one of a number of problems with Malaysian-related articles, after copyvios (three CCIs this year), POV-pushing and BLP violations. Nonetheless, it would be good to fix it in a focused way. I'll have a think over the next 24 hours.--Mkativerata (talk) 05:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject logo
Am I the only person to realize that the WikiProject's logo has been deleted per ? Bejinhan  talks   05:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well, we'll have to go back to the old one then. --Mkativerata (talk) 05:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair use images not permitted in templates, per WP:NFCC #9. If I change it to the Malaysian flag, will there be any objections? Bejinhan   talks   06:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * This orb logo will be the WPMalaysia logo due to the copyright issues. Bejinhan   talks   10:19, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Photo requests
I have two photo requests related to airlines of Malaysia: Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 06:53, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Malaysia Airlines Admin 1 Building - MAS Complex A - Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport - Subang, Selangor
 * This Flickr image http://www.flickr.com/photos/29428354@N08/2743957852/ is of the building, but it is copyrighted. I have tried to contact this guy to get him to relicense, but so far I had no response
 * Air Asia head office - Kuala Lumpur International Airport - Sepang, Selangor

Proposal: Collab of the Month
As of now, there are three nominations with only one support for each. Should there be a "rule" whereby a limited amount of nominations is allowed so that instead of nominating what we want, we should also !vote for the other nominations? Having multiple nominations with a tied number of votes is going to get the collab to nowhere and that would mean another month without a collab. Bejinhan  talks   04:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Malaysia article edit drive
As I mentioned in an earlier posting here, it might be a good idea to have a competition with the purpose of drawing and encouraging editors to edit articles within this project scope. This is something that the Guild of Copy Editors is having and they have received a good response. I participated in their July drive and it was good. Barnstars were awarded to participants based on the number of articles they edited and the length of those articles. I am thinking of drafting a page based on that drive for this project. Are there any objections? Someone, please reply. I'm tired of talking to the wall here. Bejinhan  talks   10:46, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good - I think this is the kind of project that has something for everyone. --Mkativerata (talk) 10:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Malaysia articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
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Lat as a Featured Article Candidate
Hi, I am pretty sure most, if not all of you, know of Lat. After going through much work, it is now being nominated to be a Featured Article. I would appreciate comments on the article's suitability to be an FA, based on the criteria WP:WIAFA, or suggestions to further improve the article towards that goal. Please read the article and proceed to Featured article candidates/Lat/archive1. Thank you. Jappalang (talk) 06:46, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Collab question
Right now, we have 3 open collab nominees. All of them only received votes from their nominators. Since they're tied at 1, I guess that we can't take any of them. But that'll also mean another month without a collab. So any suggestions about a tied collab? While you all are at that, please go to the collab page and vote for your choice to help break the deadlock. Bejinhan  talks   13:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I wonder whether we can make the edit drive you suggested above the "collaboration" for the next month. It could be a good place to start and would allow gnomish editors who aren't confident building content to participate. --Mkativerata (talk) 16:47, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you mean collab. to write the draft page? Bejinhan   talks   11:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking more like collaborate to do the copyediting work. Of course, non-members could join in, there'd be the lure of shiny barnstars. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes ok. I started the draft page here. What about if we asked for everyone's input as a collab? It needs expansion and other opinions. Bejinhan   talks   05:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Malay word
Hi Project Malaysia members, I wonder if anyone here is good in the Malay language or knows someone who is? At Project Gastropods some of us are trying to get the article Dog conch up to GA status. Apparently this species of sea snail is called "siput gonggong" in Malay, which seems to mean howling or barking snail. I am wondering if that basically just means "dog snail", since clearly the snail does not actually bark or howl? Any help would be much appreciated. Invertzoo (talk) 23:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Censorship in Malaysia
Hi all! I was recently in Malaysia and spoke there against censorship, and as a part of my research I read our entry Censorship in Malaysia.

One concern that I have about the entry is the list of banned movies, which is not well referenced. The list is referenced almost entirely to IMDB, but when you click on the link, the page at IMDB is blank. I suppose it used to not be blank, but it is blank now.

I am thinking that the list needs to be removed and then rebuilt with valid sourcing, and I suppose people here would have the best knowledge and resources to be able to do that.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Jimbo. I can't find any reliable consolidated list of banned films, although IMBD does seem to have some kind of categorisation: |%28banned%29 But of course IMDB isn't reliable anyway. I agree it should be rebuilt, but it'll need to be done by ad hoc sourcing (ie individual sources for each entry, such as for Schindler's list). This is probably the only way it can be done, especially because I strongly suspect Malaysia has banned many more films than are currently on the list (no value judgement there). The list would be better of as a prose account of notable examples of Malaysia banning prominent films. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that head-up, Jimbo. Instead of providing a list of banned films as a ref, I think it is better to ref them one by one. I've started on it. Anyone who wants to add refs is very much welcome to do so. Bejinhan   talks   06:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think this needs to go into the next newsletter. I couldn't find any sources for some of the movies listed... Bejinhan   talks   07:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Dewan Rakyat SVG follow-up
Here's the archived discussion. I'm glad that the SVG is available now, after a week of fixing the thumbnail rendering. Of course, it's now placed in the appropriate article. I should also note that the image should not be updated to reflect changes, because it serves as a snapshot of the 2008 election results.

Another SVG image is planned for the current (and hopefully up-to-date) Dewan Rakyat representation, which might be uploaded soon. Regarding the state assembly seats, I have a test-image here. Hexagons are assembled but boundaries are not complete. In the near future, the EC might redraw the boundaries of constituencies based on the 2010 census, so that might add hexagons into some images. Meanwhile, any suggestions on my SVG mini-project are welcomed. Hytar (talk) 16:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Malaysia review
I have nominated Malaysia for Peer Review in the hope of getting it to GA and maybe FA. The page of the review is Peer review/Malaysia/archive2, any comments and copyediting are welcome! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 13:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:27, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Honorifics, titles, chief, etc.
A lot of Malaysian statesman articles are listed with their honorifics and/or titles, and the redirects don't necessarily exist. When I look for Malaysian names in en.wiki, I search for just the name, dropping tun, datu, and variants; however, I just went to clean up an article and found that most of the statesman names include the honorifics, explaining why I thought there were a lot of basic articles missing. While this may be culturally common, using honorifics and titles, it's not standard for wikipedia, and they should be removed.

And, yes, other stuff exists, the use of doctor, especially, when dealing with western MDs. And this should also be cleaned up.

--Kleopatra (talk) 00:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * In general I agree, but we have to be a little careful here: there are some people like Tunku Abdul Rahman where the honorific title is virtually inseparable from the name and by far the most common way to refer to them, and WP:NCP makes an explicit exception for them. Probably the best way forward is to draw up a (short) "whitelist" of names that can keep their titles, and clean up the rest. Jpatokal (talk) 02:23, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * This example is a little unfair, because this is both the affectionate vernacular name, and his given name is so common that it would make an important fundamental article with lots of hits one of en.wiki's infamous and non-navigable redirects. So, I agree not to argue for dropping Tunku on this article!
 * I think, however, that most ministers of state, lower level politicians, and some other prime ministers can drop many of the honorifics and titles. I think a white list would be good. Sadly, I can probably help with very little of it, but I think it could clean-up the Malaysia articles. --Kleopatra (talk) 02:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * For starters, I have created this page for the list of articles with these honorific titles. It needs some working on and once we've compiled everything, we can start creating redirects or moving the pages. Sounds okay? Bejinhan   talks   05:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Page Move
Dewan Undangan Negeri was recently moved to State Legislative Assembly, then to State Legislative Assembly of Malaysia. Thoughts on this? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 08:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC) The individual state pages were moved too. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 09:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Why a move without consensus? Can the mover provide any reliable sources to justify that move? Bejinhan   talks   14:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically a move doesn't need consensus to be done. If undone however, per WP:BRD there needs to be discussion. I wasn't sure enough to revert myself, hence bringing it here. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * For the individual state pages, I have no problem with either usage since a simple google search would show that the term "State Legislative Assembly" is quite commonly used especially by the local english media. However, for the main page "State Legislative Assembly of Malaysia", i think it should be renamed again to "State Legislative Assemblies of Malaysia" since the article talks about not one, but many legislative assemblies in Malaysia. ќמшמφטтгמ torque 01:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Aulong
Hello, my friends: A group of us are working on clearing the backlog at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_October_2006. The article in the above header has been without sources for the past four years and may be removed if none are added. I wonder if you can help do so. Sincerely, and all the best to you, GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Culture of Malaysia
I've listed Culture of Malaysia for peer review here. All comments are more than welcome! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:14, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Lat's animated cartoon Kampung Boy (TV series) at FAC
Hi, I have nominated the article on Lat's animated television series, Kampung Boy (TV series) as a Featured Article Candidate (FAC). I invite members of this project to read the article and assess if it complies with the criteria to be an FA, or if it requires further improvements. Your comments and decisions are welcome at Featured article candidates/Kampung Boy (TV series)/archive1. Jappalang (talk) 03:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Book
I dumped some articles together into Book:Malaysia to try and get a more detailed overview of the country. Feel free to add relevant items. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:32, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

3rd opinion on Demographics of Malaysia
In a dispute here, more opinions requested. The dispute can be seen in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Demographics_of_Malaysia&action=history article history. Some discussion at Talk:Demographics_of_Malaysia. Thanks, Chipmunkdavis (talk) 08:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to have a look although I won't get to it for about 12 hours. --Mkativerata (talk) 08:54, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a new user. I think there's some validity in what they're saying, I just don't like the blanket deletion. Just posting here to avoid an edit war, don't worry about time. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 09:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)


 * He is not a new user. He is a known sockmaster/troll/pov pusher User:Anwar Saadat. here is the relevant SPI- Sockpuppet investigations/Shinas. He has been doing this for years in India related articles, but has been caught and blocked there. Now he has moved to the SE Asian articles.--Sodabottle (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Move request for Mahathir bin Mohamad
Hi everyone. I have opened a request to move one of this project's most prominent articles: Mahathir bin Mohamad to Mahathir Mohamad. Comments would be very welcome here. --Mkativerata (talk) 04:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Article Alert Bot back
Per announcement in Signpost, AABot is finally back. A list of WPMalaysia's stuff can be found here. Bejinhan  talks   03:08, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Bejinhan. Do you know if there's a way to re-transclude it onto the WP:MY page? --Mkativerata (talk) 05:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Um... I'm not sure. I'll check it out. Bejinhan   talks   14:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Transcluded Bejinhan   talks   10:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks heaps, it's great to have that back. --Mkativerata (talk) 22:58, 21 January 2011 (UTC)