Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maryland/Archive 4

Reorganization of list of historic sites in city of Baltimore
Hello WP Maryland. Pubdog has recently done a splendid job developing list-tables of National Register of Historic Places listings in Maryland, and in creating articles and uploading photos of lots of the individual sites. I've helped in only minor ways. When you get a chance, take a look at List of RHPs in MD.

Right now, we are contemplating reorganizing the city of Baltimore listings into 5 or 9 subdivisions by neighborhood areas. There are 282 NRHP properties and historic districts in the city, too many to fit comfortably in one list-article. Others' views about which partition of the city to use would be most helpful. We expect to need some local expertise to implement the division. Please join discussion here: Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Baltimore (Independent City). Thanks for your attention! doncram (talk) 19:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * All was done, reorganized List of RHPs in Baltimore into 5 areas.


 * Another request: can anyone help fix up Baltimore Heritage Walk?  I listed out the 20 historic sites or museums that it links, but am having some trouble finding articles for all of them. doncram (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

John Wilkes Booth
This article is now at Featured article candidates/John Wilkes Booth. Maryland Project members may wish to comment there. As Booth was born and raised in Bel Air and Baltimore (where he's buried), maybe this should also be a Maryland project article?  JGHowes   talk  01:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea and agreed. It's now listed among WP Maryland articles. Thanks &mdash;ADavidB 05:37, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Running problem with Census Designated Places
There is a running issue of articles about towns (in the normal sense) being renamed as Census Designated Places on the pretext that they aren't incorporated. This is really too legal-geeky, and essentially using the census as a gazetteer, when we should be preferring GNIS. It's also causing problems in articles like Columbia, Maryland, where the new city proper does have a legal definition (namely, the land under covenant). Finally, it is giving us maps that say these places are much larger than they are, or which create phantom communities (e.g. North Laurel). The articles on the towns after which the CDPs are named generally only discuss the core town, not the vague area recognized by the census.

I would strongly prefer to use terms like "unincorporated town" and refer to the CDPs only when discussing the demographics. Mangoe (talk) 14:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * You have my agreement on this. Are there specific others with whom the issue needs to be engaged for consensus? &mdash;ADavidB 10:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That is a good question. Most of the articles in question seem to have been stepped on by Rambot at some point in 2004 when it was adding CDP data. But there's a lot of drive-by pedantry. Even if we in this project come to a consensus, it is likely to disregarded if we don't make the CDPs the primary geographical division. I think we're going to have to take this Wiki-wide. Mangoe (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You might want to take a look at how Lanham-Seabrook, Maryland is handled. There are two articles hanging off of it, one for Lanham, Maryland and a second for Seabrook, Maryland.--Pubdog (talk) 16:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

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National Register of Historic Places listings in Maryland about done
I've completed stubs for just about all the National Register of Historic Places listings in Maryland. Just a few left to do; those that postdate the Apr 2008 Elkman NRHP database. Best wishes ... Ted--Pubdog (talk) 00:47, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Williamsburg, Maryland
Wasn't sure who to contact about this so just putting out a general help me. Please note that links to Williamsburg, Maryland (a small town in our fair state that currently has no article) are redirecting to Battle of Williamsburg (which took place during the American Civil War in Virginia). Please see Williamsburg Disambiguation page for example. I don't think the town should redirect to the battle as they are two distinct different topics. I don't know how to correct myself, so was asking for some help. Thanks. --dashiellx (talk) 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've un-redirected it (I don't really know anything about Williamsburg other than that Yahoo Maps says it's in Dorchester County, so you might want to add more information to it). Generally if you want to unredirect something, you can go to the link (and get redirected), and at the top of the page there will be "(Redirected from What You Tried To Go To)." Click on the link there, and it will take you to the redirect link. Click edit, and you can remove the redirect. - Algorerhythms (talk) 05:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I expanded the article some and added it to the Dorchester County, Maryland template. I'm fairly certain Williamsburg is an unincorporated community rather than a 'town'. &mdash;ADavidB 05:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help and information. --dashiellx (talk) 10:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added the GNIS link and added the GNIS code to the infobox. I also added a photo request to the talk page. Please note that GNIS shows three Williamsburg, Marylands - Baltimore Co., Dorchester Co., and Talbot Co.  When I created a bunch of stubs for places that appear in multimple counties (ref Linwood, Maryland), I would first add them to the county template, then create them from there.  This would mean your article would need to be moved to Williamsburg, Dorchester County, Maryland.  Just a thought ... --Pubdog (talk) 10:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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GA review: Talk:Crab_Bowl
I need further clarification regarding this article title. Everyone from this project is invited to comment. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

How to ensure continued existence of a key web page referred to in a WIkipedia article
Hi, y'all.

I'm new at this. This is the first time I've posted to a discussion page, and I'm not even sure how to go about it.

Back in August, I added a footnote to the article on Frederick Douglass, referring to an article at http://www.bluecrab.org/fdouglas/sources/fd-honor.htm, which was written by a girl for her seventh grade honors English class, about the difficulty of finding Douglass' birthplace, and directions on how to find it. The webpage was created in 1996, and links in it to the girl and her father are all broken. I have not been able to find them in the local phonebook, either (I live 2.5 miles north of Tapper's Corner, mentioned in her article as the closest point on a road).

So, I'm worried that this great source may one day just disappear. Is there a good way to ensure its future?

Bloody Viking (talk) 20:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, to capture the information at least, I suggest you save a personal copy of the webpage. What i do to save a webpage is to "print" the webpage to a PDF document.  I use the free PDF-writer pdf995 software available at http://www.software995.com .  I often use this to save a local newspaper article which I suspect may be available only temporarily.  If the newspaper article disappears, a wikipedia article can still use the newspaper article as a source.  Sources do not have to be online-available. doncram (talk) 20:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It is a problem which is bigger than just wikipedia, so I'm not sure I can offer a simple solution. I try to cite sources which are archived by  libraries and archives (online ones, ideally), such as PubMed Central or google books, but of course that doesn't apply to all situations. Kingdon (talk) 12:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if this helps, but you may want to look into WebCite, which can archive pages used as sources. Here is their website. Strikehold (talk) 12:42, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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Wiki-help needed
Hi, Y'all. I'm a fairly new WikiPedian. I tried to find a good place to post this for the whole active community, but, no joy. Perhaps some of you wise elders (or young Turks!) can help me out. It might be more appropriate to respond on my Talk page.

Here it is: back in 1967, for the 50th anniversary of the Soviet Union, The New York Times published a series of extensive in-depth background articles on all aspects of Soviet society. Wouldn't it be great to have those articles (which are, basically, lost to the world except for the rare person who might chance upon it in a search of the NYT archives on-line and be willing to pay for it (or somebody who still practices the arcane art of researching history in the stacks of the New York Public Library) accessible to the readers of Wikipedia? I notice that some areas of Wikipedia lack deep background. This whole thing started when I looked up HotForWords, clicked on the university she attended (and noticed it had been founded as a "People's University"). This took me to the article on Soviet education. It needs a lot of work.

Growing up in the US in the '60s, I knew precious little about the "Evil Empire" over there. The New York Times articles helped a lot, humanizing, for the first time in my mind, the people behind the feared institution, similar to how Ken Burns' Civil War series on PBS helped erase the propagandistic sterotypes of southerners that I picked up (largely from textbooks used by the NYC school system!).

How much harder is it for people growing up in the post-Soviet era to learn about this important part of history? Have you noticed that people, institutions and events that occurred before the World Wide Web tend to be under-represented? Wikipedia needs to help fight that trend, if we are to be the true inheritor of the mantle once worn by Britannica!

I'll get off my soapbox now. What do y'all think of this? Would it be worthwhile to get material like that? Would it be possible? (I also couldn't figure out who to write to at NYTimes.com about access to those articles.)

Bloody Viking (talk) 18:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Overkill on coordinates?
Is it really necessary to include the coordinates in three places within the same article for the location of a locale in Maryland? I found this to be the case in the Bryans Road, Maryland article, where the coordinates appear in the infobox and twice in the body of the article itself. I believe that this practice spans a number of articles for cities, towns, CDPs and communities located in Maryland.

The coordinates should be included in one place only in an article. Anything else is overkill, especially if the article is rather short on content. → Lwalt ♦ talk 03:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Once sounds like enough to me although I don't edit enough geography articles to know what standard practice is. Kingdon (talk) 04:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There's no need for more than one set of coordinates, so if the infobox provides for them, that is where they should appear. Mangoe (talk) 19:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I feel like the address is sufficient 173.79.93.77 (talk) 02:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC) Paul

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Economy in Maryland
As we all know the economy is at the forefront of our lives in today's world. The State of Maryland and it's environs have lackluster economy sections if at all. Is there any rule to the placement of the economy section after an articles introdction? I have seen history and georgraphy trade places. This area is of significance and should have a list of companies headquartered or of significance in an area.

I have been trying to update the Silver Spring page by adding an economy section but User:98.248.32.178 keeps section blanking for no valid reason at all, I have addressed all valid concerns but he/she keeps removing the economy section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waveshi (talk • contribs) 01:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There's no firm precedent for placement of an Economy section within an article. You might look for other city articles with such sections and use a similar placement. I checked the Silver Spring article and the "edit war" you described was inappropriate. User 98.248.32.178 was temporarily blocked from editing (by an Admin who also noted the situation), and I've suggested collaboration over undoing. &mdash;ADavidB 02:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I (and a few others) have responded at Talk:Silver Spring, Maryland. Kingdon (talk) 19:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Need help getting Woodsboro, Maryland from a stub to at least a start
Over the years, I have been trying to think of a way to incorporate information into the Woodsboro, Maryland article in regards to Neoterik Health Technologies that, prior to its sale to GlobalSecure Holdings, Ltd. in 2004, had a marked increase in sales after 11 September 2001. The company produced gas masks and made the news around the time of the first reports of the use of anthrax. I am hoping that someone here is better able to do the research, because I can't find anything relevant these days about it. While the company might not get an article, a section about the company might work in the article about Woodsboro. What do you think? LA (T) @ 07:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, there's a paragraph at about the economy of Woodsboro.  It mentions agriculture, quarries, and small town style businesses.  Now, it might be incomplete (don't know what the gas mask production situation in Woodsboro is/was). A broader view of Woodsboro's economy is what we're really after than just one fact about one company, but if you can find some sources and some details, I wouldn't object to adding it to the Woodsboro article (worst case is it would need to be moved somewhere else at some point). Kingdon (talk) 00:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

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Gambling in Maryland
I defer to people engaged in this WikiProject to appropriately edit the Maryland article and/or ancillary articles to reflect the passage of legislation legalizing the first slots parlor in Maryland. I became aware of this via the following news item:. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Move Garrett County, Maryland article history details to History of Garrett County, Maryland article
The Garrett County Historical Society Museum provided a wealth of history details that do not comfortably fit within the history section of the Garrett County, Maryland article. I propose moving this information to an article called History of Garrett County, Maryland.

The history detail reference are:
 * John A. Grant, "Garrett County History", "handout" material prepared by John A. Grant for a Garrett County History course at Garrett College during 2001 and 2002. This public domain content is available on the Garrett County Historical Society Museum site and is available to be reproduced here with their permission.

What do you think? Gohens84 (talk) 06:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)