Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metal/Archive 5

List of Thrash metal bands
The cleanup tag has been placed on the list page since March 2007. The article has changed a lot since then. Can anyone tell how can it be reviewed again? Weltanschaunng 15:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ask the person who placed the cleanup tag to have a look at it. LuciferMorgan 10:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Help
People help me with this Article as i have no images and can't do special side bits and all becuase im new and also whats tone? METALFREAK04 12:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, there are a lot of issues with that article. Most importantly, you can't just copy text from other sites- that would be a copyright violation, and, as such, I am deleting the article, but feel free to recreate it WITHOUT the copyright violations. Also, please take a read of the relevent notability guidelines, and ensure you show in the article that the band meets them. Message me on my talk page, or answer here, if you need any further help. Don't worry about images for now- worry about copyright, and sourcing. J Milburn 16:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

OK didnt know, i will read it. may take awhile. i only did a quick job on that because i had the bot up my back side lol. and was gonna do everything myself today and i was like where is it lol. ah fair point hough, i just got a book which describes this band in them can i use that or is that "copyright violations"? METALFREAK04 17:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You can use any source considered reliable, as long as you do not copy text which is not under a free license (and, as a rule of thumb- NOTHING is under a free license). Copy information; not words. Facts are uncopyrightable. J Milburn 17:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Right just read it, basically not to copy anything off another website or pre-release etc. but it does put it in funny fashion. If they put it in basic down to earth english instead of all these fancy words we would get there far easier. METALFREAK04 17:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

wow, we must be writing at the same time, right yours made more sense than the article did. thanks. i do the article later, its on my to do list of my own. METALFREAK04 17:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Corrupt Absolute
This article has been tagged again for notability by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Viriditas. It had been tagged once before and the tag was removed because notability was established. Can someone fix this again please? Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Corrupt_Absolute67.58.145.180 07:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

What changes need to be made to move this up out of "start class"? thanks! 67.58.145.180 22:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Message me on my talk page if you wish to know how to improve the article. LuciferMorgan 09:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

List of speed metal bands marked as "oudated"
Just bringing this to your attention. I have no knowledge in the topic; I'm replacing uses of compactTOC6 and found this. Circeus 19:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Shall we...
Shall we do a list of metal 2007 albums? just an idea going round in my head. and give them a short description to say how good it is. etc. METALFREAK04 14:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There is already 2007 in metal for the list of albums. And for the description of how good it is, that sounds more like an album review, which is not what Wikipedia is for. If you want to review albums, Encyclopaedia Metallum is pretty good.  Zouavman   Le   Zouave   14:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

yep, no need for bitting my head off. was just throwing in ideas man. And that isnt an album review, thats saying a line of comission and album review has to be 8+ lines and actually say the tracks etc blah blah. cant be bothered to explain. but yeah :) METALFREAK04 19:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Nine Inch Nails at FAC
One of this project's Good Articles, Nine Inch Nails is up for Featured Article candidacy. Please take a look at the article and give us your opinion over at its nomination page. And maybe a Pass/Support vote if you feel strongly one way or the other. Thanks! Drewcifer 00:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It'd be great if a few editors from the project could respond to this request, and take a look. LuciferMorgan 16:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Heavy metal at featured portal candidates
I've been improving the heavy metal portal recently, using the alternative music portal as a base. You may wish to comment here. CloudNine 09:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ooh, nice. Much better. Not personally familiar with featured portals, but well done for improving it, whether it is featured portal worthy or not. J Milburn 15:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Pointing out some requests at WP:AR1
I have been trying to clean out the Augean stables at WP:AR1 in the music category. There were a large number of metal bands previously listed there; I wrote articles for a few that were obviously notable, but there are a bunch of outstanding requests for a few other bands that are a bit cloudier and might take some serious effort from a dedicated shredhead to pass muster. If anyone's favorite band is listed here, feel free to write!
 * Ablaze My Sorrow Allmusic
 * Aeturnus (the Christian metal band, not Aeternus or Solitude Aeturnus; they've a short writeup in Mark Allan Powell's book)
 * Carpathian Full Moon Allmusic
 * Cynicon (will pass WP:MUSIC for sure once their 2nd album comes out)
 * Malicious Death
 * Nonexist Allmusic

Chubbles 01:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Nine Inch Nails discography FLC
One of this project's lists, Nine Inch Nails discography, is currently a Featured List candidate. Please take a look at the article and leave your comments here. Drewcifer 04:29, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Created articles pages
I just came across WikiProject Metal/Created and WikiProject Metal/Created/Album Articles which have been around since before I joined this project. They don't seem to be in use, and I can't really see any particular use for them. What does everyone think? J Milburn 11:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I wish for the emphasis of this Project to shift away from creating new articles, and then the emphasis to be more on improving the articles we have already. I see no use for them either per my aforementioned opinion. LuciferMorgan 15:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll tag them as historical, and I'll vote to delete should anyone take them to MfD. J Milburn 15:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Iron Maiden
There's a vote to move Iron Maiden to Iron Maiden (band) on the relevant talk page, they haven't seemed to notify WikiProject Metal. ≈  Maurauth  ( Ravenor ) 14:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Metallica/Iron Maiden songs nominated for deletion
I think this is worth mentioning here, as it seems to be quite an issue. Many Metallica and Iron Maiden songs (just songs off the albums, not singles) have recently been nominated for deletion. It is looking like they are mostly going to go, but they have been nominated individually, so if any can be shown to be independently notable, they will probably be kept. All the debates (as far as I am aware) are currently listed on our deletions page, as well as one song currently prodded. I believe all nominated are contested prods. One debate of possible interest is Articles for deletion/These Colours Don't Run, where myself and E tac have crossed swords on the subject. Just thought I'd put a note here to bring it to the attention of the project. J Milburn 16:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have listed the songs on the deletion page seperately so they can easily be viewed en-masse. J Milburn 16:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems like the guns are out to shoot down two of my favourite bands. Oh well :( LuciferMorgan 17:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not as if it would be particularly hard to source the articles, if you want to save them. There are tons of books about Metallica and Iron Maiden, as well as articles and reviews which discuss these songs in detail, and all it would take is a trip to the library. Chubbles 07:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * All the songs that have been Afd'ed for Maiden are from their last album, and no Maiden book has been released which covers that period. If they were songs that were from any other album, I could've likely helped out. As concerns going to the library, that's alright if you're looking into WW2 history or something. If anyone wants to write the song articles to prove they're notable, an admin will give them access to the deleted version anyway. LuciferMorgan 12:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

All the discussions have been closed relating to Metallica, Maiden and Megadeth songs. Every song was merged and redirected to the relevent album article, redirected to it, or just plain deleted. Details can be seen on the deletions page. J Milburn 16:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, things are happening in this department once again, but now the songs that have been nominated are singles, which is taking it a step further. We have Articles for deletion/Whiplash (song) and Articles for deletion/Jump in the Fire. I'm still keeping the deletions page up to date, I just thought this was worth mentioning here. J Milburn 10:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Children of Bodom 6th album

 * Children of Bodom's 6th Studio Album

They are trying to delete this article!, we need to get more sources so we can save it!. MyTemple 17:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We have the deletions page for things like this. I'll add it to the list. J Milburn 22:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Several articles on unreleased metal albums have been nominated; I have listed them separately from other articles on the deletions list so that people can easily view just them, if they so wish. J Milburn 22:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * More future albums have been nominated by Sceptre, if anyone is interested. J Milburn 11:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

RFC - Use of line breaks or comma breaks
Made section header above and section param in RCFxxx template the same DMcMPO11AAUK/Talk/Contribs 03:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I need a consensus on whther or not we should use line breaks or comma breaks between genres in music infoboxes. I think a line break is more ordered, but some think the comma break is the way to go. An example of the comma break would be on the Linkin Park page and an example of the line break between genres in the music infobox can be found on the Judas Priest page. Which is the correct way to go?Navnløs 20:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That would not be an appropriate discussion for this project. Any discussion and concensus for the format style of an artist infobox would come under the parent Wikiproject Music Project. Any decisions made there will be binding over any specific genre project, including this one. The concensus for breaks vs. commas has never been set in stone at the music project but the majority of regular editors favor commas, while more sporadic editors like using breaks(although these few editors have never presented a valid argument for them). The use of commas has been preferred because of neatness and because it reduces the overall length of the infobox itself. The Wikiproject Albums also favors the use of commas both for neatness and for reduced box length. This ongoing discussion is already open over at the parent music project and so any input from metal project members should go there since it won't mean anything coming from here. Seal Clubber 20:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Understood, hoever I would deabte the fact that it looks neater. It takes more space, yes, but it looks much neater, I think. The majority of metal band pages also seem to prefer the line break. I think the comma break sticks out like a sore thumb, since everything else in the music infobox is listed one-by-one. I will take this issue up with the music project page, though I have to say I think I have less of a chance winning there (like I said most of the metal band pages use the line break method).Navnløs 22:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Eluveitie listed for deletion
Please review the article and state your thoughts on its entry. Óðinn 06:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I would point you to our deletions list, but I have stopped maintaining it while I have limited web access. I will take a look at the debate. -- J Milburn (talk) 17:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I was actually looking for that list... Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to restore it... Óðinn (talk) 17:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's linked from the project page, on 'things you can do'. It's not officially inactive, it's just I was one of the few who kept it up to date. I used it more as a way to track debates and keep an eye on consensus without clogging my watchlist; dunno if anyone else actually used it much. J Milburn (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Growling Vocals - a Brazilian Study
I'm student of Speech Therapy [Logopedie] in Brazil. I'm researching about 'grunten' or growling vocals [death grunt/death growl] used by Death Metal singers. I would like to know if you have some articles about death growl/growling vocals. I'm have difficulties because many terms exist in english to define this type of voice, while that in portuguese the term exists only is "gutural". However, have no studies about this theme in Brazil. You also can indicate scientific sources about my theme? I will be much grateful.

Send me anything. Any help is valid. I'm very grateful for your attention and I hope your answer.

My e-mail:

See here. Prepare to be Mezmerized ! :D 22:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Good articles
There should be a section made for Good articles, and on the good articles, the main author of the article should be listed. Godsmack is a current FAC. See this for an example: WikiProject Horror. Thank you, Skeeker &#91; Talk &#93; 01:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a link in the tasks section. See "Improve one of our good articles to featured status." CloudNine (talk) 10:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFD
I'm cordially requesting project users to join the discussion of the punk metal redirect, in order to obtain a clear consensus. Thank you. - Mtmelendez (Talk) 22:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Slipknot Peer Review
Recently I requested peer reviews for the article Slipknot (band), seeing as it's listed within your project I was wondering if a participant of the project could leave a review here. Rezter (talk) 14:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I will add it to our peer reviews page, and will comment later tonight if I find some free time. J Milburn (talk) 16:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Bot
Who has a bot running on this page? These archival bots are absolutely, 110% rubbish. The archive page is now 105kb long, so the bot needs ridding of. I'll manually archive the page myself, without the useless bot. LuciferMorgan (talk) 10:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Request for assessment: Slipknot (band)
Over the past few weeks, I have added a lot of information to the article on slipknot (band). Would someone from WikiProject Metal mind assessing it? It has passed as a GA and since the article has developed further and I feel it will be ready for a FAC soon. Rezter (talk) 12:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Punk metal redirect for discussion
I'd like to make readers aware of this Redirect for discussion. Punk metal now links to the metalcore article. I think the redirect should be removed as it is misleading. Punk metal is a far broader genre than metalcore, it's like redirecting food to spaghetti. Please post your comment here. Thanks! Kameejl (Talk) 19:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Influences on Iron Maiden
I deleted the entire "inluences" section on Iron Maiden's article for two reasons:

1. It was not well documented with several unverified and undocumented claims.

2. It was simply not well written.

Mikepope (talk) 03:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's difficult to state the influences on Iron Maiden, since each member has their own respective influences. If anyone needs a specific Iron Maiden sentence verified by the official bio or the unofficial Stenning bio, give me a bell (I own both). LuciferMorgan (talk) 19:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Request someone to help me revamp the Dio and Ronnie James Dio articles
They really could be a lot better, but there's so much work to be done...I don't feel like taking it on alone when I'm busy looking after Van Halen, deleting POV statements all over the Michael Jackson pages and various other tasks. However, collaboration would be useful - if anyone wants to work on this let me know. (The Elfoid (talk) 03:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC))

WP:SLIPKNOT
We need more members. Is anyone interested joining? Thanks for reading, Thundermaster T R U C 09:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I will add you to our main project page, see if that gives you any members. What is the real advantage of having your own project? Why not just merge into us? To be honest, we could do with more active members. J Milburn (talk) 16:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm already a member of this project, I'm just asking if anyone is interested in joining. Thanks for reading, Thundermaster T R U C 15:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Dark metal
I thought WikiProject members may be interested in the above AfD I have just started, due to the high number of pages which reference the genre, as well as the fact it can be found on Template:Heavymetal. J Milburn (talk) 17:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Logos
There is a discussion going on here about logos in the infoboxes. Certain overzealous IPs already attempt to massively remove logos despite the lack of consensus. Your input will be most auspicious. Óðinn (talk) 10:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Nightwish FAR
Nightwish has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Budding Journalist 21:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We need more comments on the FAR page. Featured article review/Nightwish. — Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 23:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

samples
Is it possible for each music genre or category have like a little sample for readers know what music would sound of or sort of be like —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.140.190 (talk) 04:36, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I think this is a good idea. I say lets do it!-- Cra  sh U   nderride  07:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Boris (band)
Serious need of genre attention. Thanks for reading, ThunderMaster  U T C  15:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. J Milburn (talk) 15:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Better? J Milburn (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * "Doom rock" redirects to "doom metal", but that's weird... I've never heard anyone use the phrase "doom rock" before. I do think a couple more sources for genres would be good though. = ∫tc 5th Eye 17:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks. 86.135.80.62 (talk) 14:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Covers
I hereby make it my unofficial duty to search for cover-less albums and them the cover they deserve!♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 04:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please remember to add fair use rationales, and don't upload images that are too big. They're fair use- they should only be big enough for you to be able to see them, not study them in detail. J Milburn (talk) 18:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, its all taken care of.♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 20:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you need any help let me know who the artist is and I'll do my best to help. -- Cra  sh U   nderride  07:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Line breaks vs. commas
It seems that there are a lot of edit wars over wether to use or a comma in the infobox. I am unsure if there is an official ruleing, but the edit wars need to stop. It has calmed down lately, but there is still alot of it. — Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 21:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of any consensus, but I think people are generally leaning towards linebreaks. Do let us know if you come across a guideline or major discussion. J Milburn (talk) 13:37, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant genres, labels, and associated acts, not members, just to clarify. I've been searching and haven't really found anything. I usually see commas in the infobox. And when that gets changed to a line break, it usually gets reverted. — Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 16:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Labyrinth
Please take a look at the article for Labyrinth, I've expanded it today, as well as Vision Divine. I would like you're comments on how I did and how I can do better (you're never too old to learn). I also expand stub articles for, professional wrestlers, and American football players. To see what I've done Click on Underride to see my contributions, and see what I've done. For example Craig Kobel. If you have an questios or comments please direct those to my talk page, thank you. -- Cra  sh U   nderride  00:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Please help me with this article
I'm currently workin' on an article about a pretty popular Canadian rock band called Soul Bomb. I need your help go to my sandbox and please take a look and leave comments on my talk page or make CONSTRUCTIVE edits only. I'd really like to get this done but I need all ya'lls help. Thanks, -- Cra  sh U   nderride  05:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)