Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Michigan/Archive 2

Two Isles Royale?
I'm not sure where to bring this up, but most of the state maps on the county pages seem to have an error: they show two Isle Royales (or is that Isles Royale?) to the left of Keweenaw county, as in  this map. The smaller island should be erased, to appear as in this map. Any thoughts on this?

I put a list of the correct maps here.

(copied from Talk:Michigan by Rmhermen 05:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC))
 * The replacement maps can be found on this page on Commons. Rmhermen 05:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is going to affect a lot of other maps: City locators, specific purpose maps derived from the original blank locator. Dot-on-Lansing was correct but dot-on-Battle Creek was wrong. This could require some searching to find all the incorrect ones. Rmhermen 06:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I found and corrected eight of these incorrect non-county maps so far. No telling how many more there are. Rmhermen 06:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Found and fixed nine more on Commons this morning. Rmhermen 15:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Big Ten
Hi. I am starting a new Wikiproject based on the Big Ten Conference. If you're wondering why I'm targeting you guys, I've seen he work done to Michigan and Michigan State and found it great. If anyone who especially did those particular articles would like to help, tht wold be great. Plus, a lot of the articles in this WikiProject could very well combine with your project. If there's no interest here, then my apologies. -- Wizardman 03:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Gerald Ford FAR
Gerald Ford has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 19:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ann Arbor, Michigan FAR
Ann Arbor, Michigan has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

County-designated highways
The article List of Michigan County-Designated Highways lists more than 50 highways, in zones A through H, with perhaps half no artilce (i.e., red-link) and about half having a stub.

It seems to me that it would make more sense to have articles like Michigan County-designated highways in A Zone, Michigan County-designated highways in B Zone, etc., so that while even these might be stubs, there would be fewer. If someone ever does expand information on a specific highway sufficiently to justify a separate article, such an article could be spun off then.

I'm not necessarily volunteering to combine a bunch of stubs into consolidated articles (I note that only "C" and "H" zones have more than three blue-links for highways, so consolidating isn't a big deal for most zones), but if I hear no objection, I may do so. Or if someone in this project wants to do so, I'd be happy to work with him/her (shouldn't take more than two hours, tops). -- John Broughton (♫♫) 22:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've proposed at WP:USRD/SUB the creation of a taskforce under WP:MISH dealing with the county-designated highways and any other notable county roads in Michigan. Some of these articles currrently merged into the list can be recreated as stand-alone articles and expanded. Imzadi1979 (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Calling interested Michigan folks
Here is something of vital interest (at least as defined by Carptrash 23:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)) to all Michianians. There is a vote going to delete the following category. . The vote is happening |here, number 1:34. Although most of the 600 buildings that Parducci's sculpture can be found on are in the greater Detroit area, fine examples can also be located in Wayne, Ypsi, AA, Kzoo, Jackson, Grand Rapids, Muskegon, Flint, Saginaw, and yes, even in the UP, at Marquette Cathedral. As more and more important buildings get entered into wikipedia the need for this category will grow. So check out the category, check out the facts and then please consider casting an informed vote.


 * As the page you linked to says, "This category is being considered for renaming to Category:Carrado Parducci buildings". It's not being deleted, but rather moved. -- dcclark (talk) 23:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Tara Grant
I started an article on Tara Grant, covering the murder. I wrote everything I knew about the murder on it, and maybe you can take it from here. Karrmann 00:00, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Mackinac Island
Mackinac Island is now a Good Article. I've added it to the list on the project page. I'm going to do a little more work, then nominate it for FA soon. Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ Review! 23:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

NRHP Frank Lloyd Wright collaboration
Definitely encouraging cross project participation here, as a number of prominent Wright designed buildings are located in Michigan. IvoShandor 12:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I know of quite a few near Kalamazoo, mi.....Strunke 20:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Detroit, Michigan - request for review
I have recently looked over the article, and have noticed a very pro-Detroit POV has crept in (while problems that the city is tackling, such as an economy that is heavily based on the Big Three, urban blight, and city-suburb conflicts, are either glossed over or eliminated entirely). I have also noticed that one user, User:Thomas Paine1776, has been pushing this POV and attacking those who even try to mention some of the problems as "Detroit bashers" (see article talk page where many of his views are posted).

In the meantime, I am trying to obtain more opinions on the article itself (which is currently featured, though for how long I am not sure). This includes whether the article is indeed unbalanced, with the hope of reaching a consensus of what to do next. Anyone who has a thought of the article - please post on the article's talk page. Thanks. PentawingTalk 17:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Mackinac Island-pictures
A request has been made at the FAC for Mackinac island for some more pictures. Specifically of the hi-speed ferries and some activites (maybe Ft. Mackinac (better than the current one), fudge, lilac festival, etc) If you have any that you think may be useful, please upload them and leave a message here or on my talk page about it. Thank You. Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ Review! 03:15, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

New articles
Dear Wikipedians, a list of possible Michigan-related articles found by bot is available at User:AlexNewArtBot/MichiganSearchResult. Colchicum 14:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Michigan
I have revived the Michigan portal and would like some help completing it. I have modeled it after Portal:Texas, a featured portal. It needs a great deal of work. The intro could use a rewrite (The lead section of Michigan could be a guide). It needs summaries made of Michigan related articles for the Selected Article section, pictures added to the Selected picture section, biographies made for the biography section, and basically all the other sections as well. See the above-linked Texas Portal for a guide of what I'm trying to do with it. If anyone has any questions, don't hesitate to ask me. Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ 23:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

City boundary maps
Good afternoon Wikiproject Michigan!

As part of an ongoing, informal pseudo-project (Ixnayonthetimmay is the "founder" and only other person that's been involved) of updating the existing red-dot city maps, I have selected the Metro Detroit area as my next target. The primary reasons are that I have lived there in the past and am somewhat familiar with the area, it is a major metro area and the maps deserve some updating, and finally, Michigan provides a special challenge due to its somewhat unique system of having multiple layers of civil government in the form of villages, cities, townships and charter townships.

I have created boundary maps for Wayne, Monroe, Washtenaw, Macomb, Oakland, St Clair, Lapeer, Genesee and Livingston counties. Complete city boundary maps are done for Wayne and Monroe counties, for the remainder they are about 75% complete. Thus far I have only uploaded and updated boundary maps for municipalities and townships in Wayne county. I'm only doing these ones for the time being so that I can give you folks a chance to look them over and decide if you like the layout, like how they look on the pages, and if they are overall an improvement. If there's no objections I'll proceed with the other counties shortly.

In addition to replacing the existing maps I created infoboxes for the entities that did not already have one - when one already existed I only changed the map.

I appreciate any thoughts or feedback. Thanks!  Ark yan  &#149; (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Need help on Lansing Mall
I stumbled across the article on Lansing Mall recently, and discovered that the article is a basket case. As I am not now, nor have I ever been a Michigan resident (let alone Lansing), I don't have the knowledge that this thing requires to get up to speed, which is why I came here. Hopefully, somebody here is familiar with Lansing and with this mall and can give this article the TLC it needs.

The "original anchors" are wrong, as T.J. Maxx, which was founded in 1976, and Steve & Barry's, founded in 1986, cannot be original anchors of a mall which opened in 1969. Was one of these a Montgomery Ward? I'm not familiar with the department stores in Michigan, but I know that MW and Sears (not in this mall or Meridian Mall?) had stores everywhere in the 1970's.

Also, the mall underwent expansion/renovation in 1979, 1986, and 2002, but some of the opening dates listed for the anchors don't jibe with those dates. Additionally, it is mentioned that the Barnes and Noble that opened this year took the place of a Mervyn's. It must have been a small Mervyn's, because the B&N doesn't appear to be enormous, and there is no mention of when the Mervyn's opened in the first place. (I know that Mervyn's closed all its stores in Michigan in 2006, so at least the dates make sense.)

Thanks. Horologium t-c 04:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Harrisville State Park
I developed this article a bit and removed the stub tag. But how do you make it a start class? I changed to  and nothing happened. MoodyGroove 22:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)MoodyGroove
 * The template isn't set up for that. See next section --Elliskev 23:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject template
I made a copy and modified the current template. However, the peer review links and assessment links don't work are red. I don't know if they exist for this project yet. If there is interest in doing this, I'll change the working template. --Elliskev 23:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd be happy to help starting assessment/peer review task groups. --Elliskev 00:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Assessment department
If nobody has any objections, I'm going to move forward. --Elliskev 15:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Please see WikiProject Michigan/Assessment and Template:WikiProject Michigan. --Elliskev 17:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Should our stars be included as part of this project like Ted?
suggestions from - Bajatmerc ( a whispering voice on the interweb )

A great rocker and true outdoors man like Ted should have something mentioned of him. Also there are other famous artists such as Michigan's Motown bands, and even current artists like Eminem. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.24.158.16 (talk • contribs).
 * Ted Nugent has an article. Are you asking if he should be included as part of the Michigan WikiProject? I think so. --Elliskev 19:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Timeline of the Toledo Strip/War
Why is there a slash in this article's title? Corvus cornix 22:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like it intends to be a timeline of the Toledo Strip and the Toledo Strip War. Rmhermen 03:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Michigan city articles needed
As a member of Wikiproject Radio Stations, I've worked on articles for every radio station in the state of Michigan. However, three stations hail from cities that do not have articles yet: Gulliver, Michigan, Fenwick, Michigan, and Raco, Michigan. As I personally have never heard of any of them (despite living in Ypsilanti, Michigan), I'm not exactly qualified to write up articles on them. So, if anyone is interested in doing so, thanks! JPG-GR 02:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * RACO is at 46.3755748, -84.7228352 in Chippewa County. Fenwick is at 43.1491988, -85.0802908 in Montcalm County. Rmhermen 03:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * None of these are cities or even incorporated. They are redirects to the corresponding township articles, to which I added a mention of them. older ≠ wiser 03:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that makes more sense then. JPG-GR 06:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Gregory Creswell
Hi, I wondered if someone from this WikiProject would mind taking a look at Gregory Creswell which I tagged with NPOV but the tag was removed (with some justification) - I know very little about the subject matter but the article strikes me as very one-sided. Thanks. CIreland 16:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Another user, "Mr.Z-mantalk" made several points which were addressed by another user "redandready." "redandready" edited the items, and removed the tag.  The author (your's truly) agreed to let the changes stand.  Someone tagged it again with absolutely no comments, or claims that there were unresolved claims.  I have been waiting for those comments, and they were never added.  I will therefore remove it.--Libertyguy 04:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * While the article has seen some improvement, it still reads more like a promotional advertorial than a balanced encyclopedia article. older ≠ wiser 12:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

After considerable editing and revision, discussion on this article has moved on to the “The tone and style of the ‘Position on issues’ section.”--Libertyguy 19:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

My reading of this article, and associated talk page, indicate a large amount of concerns were raised at the outset, but those concerns were resolved in the ensuing discussion and editing process. This article may qualify as B-class now (Based on my reading of the rating scale criteria).--Redandready 16:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I concur and have changed it accordingly. 24.6.65.83 07:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Lansing Mall
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Portal:Michigan/Symbols
Portal:Michigan/Symbols is going to be moved to List of Michigan state symbols on August 25. If you disagree with this move, please make your comments here.-- Crzycheetah 22:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Gerald Rudolff Ford
The biography for Gerald Rudolff Ford who raised Gerald Ford and for whom Ford legally changed his name has been nominated for deletion as being non-notable. The elder Ford is the reason the President was raised and stayed in Grand Rapids. You can make your comments at Articles for deletion/Gerald Rudolff Ford. Americasroof 05:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Board of Regents of the University of Michigan
Board of Regents of the University of Michigan has been nominated for featured lists. See discussion at Featured list candidates/Board of Regents of the University of Michigan. Rmhermen 02:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Michigan State Capitol FAR
Michigan State Capitol has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Epbr123 21:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Request for Jeffries Freeway history
I'm having trouble finding reliable sources online about the construction of the Jeffries Freeway in Detroit, and its effects on the Grand River Avenue corridor and other neighborhoods. Does anybody have sources or know of a book that has information? Thank you. --NE2 10:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Top level importance articles
Category:Top-importance Michigan articles has, as of right now, 22 articles. I wonder if all of them are really top level importance to this project. Maybe we could reserve top level to those articles that are deemed as such by consensus, through an informal nomination process? Thoughts? --Elliskev 18:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've trimmed it down to 15. Mr.  Z- man  04:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Dart family
Until tonight, the only Wikipedia occurrences of the illustrious Dart family of Ingham County were articles about Dart Container and Doc Corbin Dart. Mentions of Dart National Bank and Rollin Dart were redlinks in both.

So I added articles about Rollin Dart and Dart National Bank, but someone came along and marked the first one for speedy deletion. Your thoughts would be helpful on these articles and their talk pages. Kestenbaum 01:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Grand Rapids Medical Corridor
Hi am currently working on this page. Its still a little rough but anycase, I was wondering if the Michigan Project would like to be part of it? IE having the Michigan Project form on the talk page. --Mihsfbstadium 19:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it falls within the scope of this project. Go ahead and add the banner. --Elliskev 19:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate to ask this but when is the next time you will be looking over the articles that were recently created. I just want to know when I should check back to see what the ratings will be.  --Mihsfbstadium 20:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't been keeping up assessing newly created articles lately. Just a lull. :) I checked it out and it's very nice. I rated it 'B' class. There is still a lot of editing needed to round it out, bring it up to style standards, etc., but it's informative as is.
 * Importance rating is very subjective. Feel free to change it to whatever you want.
 * For future articles, you might want to post an assessment request at the bottom of WikiProject Michigan/Assessment. It would be nice if that page saw some action, both in submission requests and responses. --Elliskev 21:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I dont have a clue as to the importance.  I know its important to the economy of West Michigan.  I am not sure if over $1 billion dollars of investment makes it more important than low.  In anycase would a map of the area off google or yahoo be allowed or should I ask Bessert to see if he has time to release an image.  --Mihsfbstadium 18:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

COTM
Anyone interested in having a collaboration of the month subpage? --Elliskev 16:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure. I can't say how much I'd be able to participate (life has gotten busy lately). But I think it's a great idea. older ≠ wiser 03:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. I've set up a draft WikiProject Michigan/Collaboration page. Anyone is interested, please check it out, make changes, leave comments on the talk page, etc. I think it would be great if we can get enough participation to make it work. --Elliskev 15:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

well that went nowhere... --Elliskev 01:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw this, but since I can't always draft a good sentence, I didn't volunteer. I've been adding pictures and doing small (corrective) edits.  And, I don't know why Michigan is a B class or what it would take to get it to GA.  Parkerdr (talk) 14:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Dow Chemical Company
FYI - I've opened a Peer Review on the article Dow Chemical Company, which is rated as a GA on WikiProject Michigan. Feel free to comment on the article on its Peer Review subpage, here. Thanks, Rjd0060 (talk) 00:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Michigan State University FAR
Michigan State University has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Dylan 06:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

List of tallest buildings in Detroit
This article is currently a featured lists candidate. Rmhermen 19:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Research link concerning history of Michigan counties, cities, townships, etc. Clark Historical Library
Good place to start any such research. Has a bibliography for each county. It is organized by county. But has information such as origins of some place names, plus good sources on local histories.

Clarke Historical Library, Central Michigan University.

I put it in the external links already.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 23:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Stan

Question on Assestment
As I have been putting the base material in the Grand Rapids Medical Corridor article and others have been kind of enough to fix the errors I have done it has come to my attention that this article is looking really good. Now I still want to get some more info and what not checked out. My question is in regards to how assestment works and what not. I really have no real gauge to tell how this article stands out compared to other large developments. BTW I was wondering if there is a development catergory or not. I have not a lot of luck in finding more catergories for this article and I know it should have more than just Michigan and Grand Rapids. --Mihsfbstadium (talk) 02:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:FLC
Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving leaders passed yesterday. Today, I nominated Lists of Michigan Wolverines football rushing leaders and Lists of Michigan Wolverines football passing leaders. Please consider supporting them as well.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)