Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Michigan/Archive 3

History of Michigan
Greetings from WikiProject Oregon! You might want to check on your history article. We've been working with a well-meaning editor who turned our History of Oregon, that was previously a redirect to the history section of the Oregon article, into a collection of templates. While the controversy continues over whether this user's work is helpful, it has finally got one of our members to actually write an article there, since the template solution was universally diapproved of. Meanwhile, your history article, which until recently was a redirect to your history timeline, is a collection of templates, which may or may not be what you want there. Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 17:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

So I tried to add a referance to this website:

http://www.nwta.com/couriers/3-96/StJo.html

in my fix for the info on the battle of St Joseph, but I couldn't figure out how to add a referance tag. If someone reads this and wants to help me add that it would be cool. Thanks! -Isa Thunderfoot —Preceding unsigned comment added by Isathunderfoot (talk • contribs) 01:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Opinions on how the County Navigation boxes should be organized?
I'd like some other opinions about whether it makes sense for the boxes in Category:Michigan county navigational boxes to use obscure Census Bureau jargon like CDP to organize what should be a user-friendly navigational aid. See comments here. Thanks. older ≠ wiser 19:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * FWIW, I prefer when the longitude and latitude (linking of course to the maps, photos, etc.) is in the box, rather than outside the box on the right hand side. Both is OK, but there are counties in Michigan that don't have it in the box.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Stan


 * These are the navigation boxes at the bottom of the page, not the infoboxes along the right side. There are no coordinates in the navigation boxes. older ≠ wiser 23:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I've posted to the county nav box discussion, but I'll also mention here that I don't believe CDPs need to be differentiated from other unincorporated communities in the navigational box. The box should strictly be about providing easy navigation among related articles, and it seems unlikely that many people would want to navigate among communities based solely on their census designation.  It's also logically inconsistent since it promotes CDPs (a subcategory of unincorporated community) to the same level as incorporated and unincorporated communities. Huwmanbeing  &#9728;  &#9733;  13:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Tyrone Wheatey FAC
If there is a place to announce FACs for this project, I can not find it. Tyrone Wheatley may be the first college football player bio and first modern NFL player bio to achieve FA according to talk page project tags. Only Jim Thorpe is an FA currently. Please come comment at Featured article candidates/Tyrone Wheatley.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Township maps
I have just added a map to the article for Acme Township, Michigan. Any feedback before I create and add more of these? The final version will also include major highways for additional context. Omnedon (talk) 03:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Very cool. The townships are geographically lost without the map reference, and this at least provides context.
 * Are you planning to do a map of the township itself? If so, then you could include towns (e.g. Bates in Acme Township) that might be good.  Same thing with major landmarks (e.g., lighthouses)?
 * This is a very labor intensive effort, and a tool that will make the articles much more useful. So many townships.  You deserve congratulations for creating the concept, and will deserve thanks for putting them in.  7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

Tagging highway articles
From the happenings at Talk:M-14 (Michigan highway) I wonder something. WP:Michigan State Highways has been handling and taking care of the Interstate, US and state trunkline highways and even the few county-designate highway articles. MSHP though is affiliated with WP:US Roads as a "child" project and never been formally affiliated with WP:Michigan. I know some articles are dual-tagged. M-14 was, then it was untagged under WP:Michigan with the rationale "MI State highway tag already incorporates this" but this was reverted and it's tagged again. Most highway articles aren't dual-tagged. Is there any reasoning behind why some are tagged and some aren't? Should all or mostly none be tagged? Imzadi1979 (talk) 03:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not taking any position on M-14 specifically, but is there some problem caused by double-tagging? There are many articles that have tags for a half dozen different projects. older ≠ wiser 11:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying there is a problem per se, I just would to know if we can set up some kind of guideline for consistency. This way if future little revert wars crop up we have a guideline to settle it. Imzadi1979 (talk) 15:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It wasn't Talk:M-14 (Michigan highway), but I ran into a similar situation months (over a year?) ago. I reverted the removal of the WP:MI banner with an edit summary of something along the lines of "WP:Michigan State Highways is not a child of WP:MI". I'm not a member of the highway project, but I think a simple solution would be for that project to list itself as such a sibling. If that happened, it would be a no-brainer. --Elliskev 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * That might be the easiest solution, same with the proposed WP:Michigan County Highways (for the county-designated highways and notable county-maintained roads like Brockway Mountain Drive) when it starts in some form. Imzadi1979 (talk) 20:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments Moved from Main Page
The next three sub-sections are comments posted by a user on the main page, which I am moving over here to the talk page. If anyone has issue with this, please feel free to comment here or on my talk page.Dana boomer (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

A really good website
FYI, * List of Museums, other attractions compiled by state government. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

Frank Murphy
The wiki police deleted the Michigan state seal and Michigan state flag from this article. I don't know (and don't care) about their purported rationale. These have got to be in the public domain. Can somebody put them in. Certainly the article on Frank Murphy is an appropriate place to put these in. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 19:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
 * Michigan state seal and Michigan state flag still aren't there. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 13:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC) Stan

Removal of Catholic diocese from various articles on Michigan localtiies
Dear Anonymous:

Welcome to Wikipedia.

I notice that you have removed the statement and reference that Charlevoix, Michigan (and 30 other locales is part of the Gaylord diocese of the Catholic Church.

Your systematic removal of the accurate relationship of the geographic organization of the Catholic church in Michigan form a bunch of websites under the theory that "it has nothing to do with geography" is wrong-headed. If you narrowly construe the word "geography", you were still removing a pertinent, true and useful fact. It would have been far better (IMHO), if you had expended all this destructive energy in a constructive manner, i.e., moving the thought or reforming it into a message that would be of use to the readers while leaving the information there in one form or another.

Of course, maybe it is that you have a different agenda.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 05:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC) Stan

Mott Community College
Mott Community College ended up with 2 articles and I have set one to redirect to the other. What is more disturbing is that an Mott employee based on the editor user name Mccwebmaster has been editing these articles, which I understand is against Wikipedia policy. And expressly included information directly from the Mott CC's website based on this edit: 15:47, 24 March 2008 Mccwebmaster (Talk | contribs) (6,320 bytes) (Replacing information with information from the Office of Public Information at Mott Community College). I have been look for about 20 minutes to find the right welcome message and/or policy to indicate this is against policy. Anyone willing to address Mccwebmaster or point me in the right direction? Spshu (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, without getting into it (there's not much use in me researching this history when you seem to know what's going on), I would probably say that WP:COI - conflict of interest and WP:COPYVIO - copyright violations are the two most applicabe here. Hope that helps. Tan   |   39  20:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Mary Meader
Hello, Michiganians. I reviewed this article for GA, but put it on hold for lack of diversity in sources, along with general MOS problems. I notice she was not tagged for your project. She was apparently a person of interest in Kalamazoo. I suggested in the GA hold comments to find more sources to replace the overburdened obituary from The New York Times. I thought some of you might be able to take a shot at bolstering citations. Thank you. --Moni3 (talk) 17:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
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Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 3405 articles are assigned to this project, of which 332, or 9.8%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-07-14.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subscribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 18:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Pageview statistics
I've compiled a list of the most viewed 2500 pages under the scope of the project at WikiProject Michigan/Popular pages. The script used to do this is still somewhat in development. If you have any suggestions or would like a list like this for another project, leave me a message on my talk page. Mr.Z-man 03:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Bibliography and further reading
Many Michigan articles have a section called "Bibliography and further reading". This is not a standard heading, and a reasonably consistent system for appendices is helpful to some readers. Bibliography in particular confuses some readers, who expect a bibliography to be reserved exclusively for works written by the subject of the article (and Barry County probably hasn't written anything. ;-)  Also, many of these sections only have a single external link in the section, and that external link is already included in both the References section and in the External links section.

As you run across these, may I suggest that you delete duplicates and rename the sections to either ==References== (if it was used in writing the article) or ==Further reading== if it's a publication not available online, or move online links to the ==External links== section? I'm working my way through some of them, but I could use some help. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Sparty
As a part of GA Sweeps, I have added some suggestions for improvement for Sparty on the article's talk page. The article will remain on hold for seven days, at which time I will make a decision about keeping or delisting its GA status. Thanks. Nikki 311  00:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Image request: Consulate of Japan in Detroit at the GM Renaissance Center
The Consulate-General of Japan in Detroit is in Suite 1600 of 400 Renaissance Center. If anyone wishes to, I would like to have a photograph of the entrance to the consulate (or whatever part is marked as being the consulate of Japan) - this means traveling by elevator to suite 1600 and photographing the sign identifying the consulate. If you need to, ask permission from the consulate staff. The photo would be at the GM Renaissance Center article.

Be very careful when photographing diplomatic missions. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Michigan State Parks
Hi everyone I was just looking through the List of State Parks for Michigan and I noticed most of them are just simply saying "--- is a state park in Michigan". I'm going to start researching these parks. I would love it if someone could help make maps for these parks or any other help for that matter. Thanks --IvanTortuga (talk) 17:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Michigan
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Please see RfC on Weatherman organization, the history of which is tied up with Michigan's
The Weatherman (organization) is tagged as part of the scope of this project. An RfC has started on whether the word "terrorism" can be mentioned and discussed within the Weatherman article and articles on Bill Ayers, his wife Bernardine Dohrn (then the group's leader) and Obama-Ayers controversy. Editors are discussing whether we can come to a consensus. Please take a look. -- Noroton (talk) 18:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Mall articles need improvement
I would really like to see some improvement in the mall articles. Large malls like RiverTown Crossings, Woodland Mall, Fashion Square Mall, and Genesee Valley Center are short articles. Great Lakes Crossing also needs an expansion, and Lansing Mall and Meridian Mall both need more sources. Can anyone please help me? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 23:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Can somebody check out the string of recent edits to Monroe Doctrine? Thanks,  Grsz  11   →Review!  04:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Michigan articles needing geographic coordinates
 articles in Category:Michigan articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that Michigan is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)