Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/Archive 62

ACR to-do list for January 2024

 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Igor Mangushev
 * Was awaiting an initial source review, which I supplied in November. Two reviews in late December. Left a note on the nominators' talk pages. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Continuation War
 * Now has source and image reviews. Left a note on the nominator's talk page. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Striking. Was closed by Ian Rose on February 10 as no consensus to promote. Will need to be resubmitted for new assessment when ready. Donner60 (talk) 04:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/HMS Beaulieu
 * Has two supports + source and image reviews. Needs one one review, as has been inactive since November.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Crusading movement
 * Needs another general review and an image review. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I've done a slightly eccentric image review. The kind where I search out the originals so better copies can be used. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.7% of all FPs. 17:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This appears to now be the oldest one now pending. I will try to get to it before the end of the month if no one else reviews it earlier. Adding that I may put John Bullock Clark ahead of it since that one is now far along. Donner60 (talk) 05:08, 2 March 2024 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Hanford Engineer Works
 * Needs another general review and an image review. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel like one of those evil genies, who grants wishes that you wish weren't granted. I've done an image review, but I fear my image reviews are detailed and intense. Sorry! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.7% of all FPs. 08:23, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Promoted to A class. Donner60 (talk) 04:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Bill Madden (soldier)
 * Just needs an image review and it is GTG. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:30, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Done the image review. Harrias  (he/him) • talk 13:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Seriously, if stuff needs image reviews, ask me. I've worked with images long enough. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.7% of all FPs. 07:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Napoleon and A-class status
Napoleon was promoted to GA in July 2008, and received A-class status a month later. In 2021 it was demoted from GA status, but still retains its A-class designation. When an article is demoted at GA, should it still be listed as A-class here? Does an A-class reeassessment have to be opened to discuss its designation? Z1720 (talk) 20:47, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As A-class criteria differs to that of GA-class criteria, a separate reassessment is needed. ( I don't know if this is something we should be looking into? I remember discussions relating to this happening before but believe that the aforementioned requirement is still the status quo. Seems a little absurd to keep B (or worse) articles as A class when we generally consider A class to be higher than GA, despite the differing requirements). Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 21:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, we don't automatically demote an A-class article that's lost its GA status but I think such a situation is a prima facie reason to look at conducting a formal review of the article's A-class status. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 21:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Possibly we should watch for similar GA (and FA?) demotions in future and automatically list them for A class review? Maybe a bot could do it for us? Gog the Mild (talk) 22:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I found eight other examples of delisted GA articles that are currently still A class: Johann Mickl, Jean de Carrouges, Hans Waldmann (fighter pilot), Hans Philipp, Jagdgeschwader 1 (World War II), Keith Miller, Arab–Byzantine wars, Home Army. Only Waldmann and Philipp have survived A class reassessment after a GA delist. Schierbecker (talk) 23:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes. The rules at FAC and GA are that demoted articles revert to their project status. We had an issue with FAs and GAs being demoted on ideological and political grounds unrelated to article quality. So the project determined that demoted articles retain their A-class rating pending an A-class reassessment. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. The project has a section in articles for review about FA reviews and GA reviews. The question may be if no one from the project is participating or closely following the reviews, does anyone know the outcome so that there can be a follow-up? One reason given for demoting articles recently is that they are too long. I think this should not be a hard and fast rule (15,000 words or some number of bytes or something like that), at least for demotions other than FA. I suppose there is a concern that long FA articles won't be read in entirety. I am not sure if that is always merited. From only the quickest glance, Andrew Jackson is an article up for review that appears to have ideological objections, as Hawkeye noted. Perhaps other objections are thrown in to make a case. I did not take more than a glance at the already long review. Donner60 (talk) 00:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Mickl (commander of a German-Croatian division that operated in Yugoslavia) is still listed as A-Class, I wrote it ten years ago, and I certainly have learned a lot since then. My view is that very odd rationales were taken by a group of editors during the GAR, especially about sources, and even extending to generic images used in the article. I acknowledge some flowery language needed trimming, but along the lines Hawkeye mentioned, most of the criticisms were not based on policy but some weird ideology that the man was being glorified because he had an article that mentioned anything other than the war crimes of his division. This was widespread across many articles about the German war effort at the time and coincided with the ArbCom case. The article needs some work due to the unjustified deletions, but (for example) the idea that a biography co-written by the historian Heinz A. Richter (who was selected to write Mickl's article in the Neue deutsche Biographie) is unreliable, is utter nonsense. Both sources that were challenged as unreliable were listed by Richter as sources he used to write the NdB article on Mickl. If they are good enough for NdB, they are good enough for WP. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:46, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * There was a list made a couple years ago of older A-Class promotions to check for those that may have deteriorated or been under poor standards. A few from that have been delisted. Hog Farm Talk 02:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * There was a long debate at Good article reassessment/John von Neumann/1 that was mostly about whether a GA can be stricken based on WP:TOOBIG. I strongly believe that an article is as long or short as it needs to be. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Somewhat related. Did anyone else notice that the new banner shell is reverting some FA-class Milhist articles to A class? Thirteen examples listed here. Schierbecker (talk)
 * Is this not the issue you brought up several days ago? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:56, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. I thought it had been corrected and a bot run to repair the broken template. Is it still occurring? Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Qwerfjkl says, Schierbecker, thank you for bringing my attention to this. I've fixed it now. There was a flaw in my logic for detecting opted-out wikiprojects. I will revert and rerun the bot on the milhist pages with issues. Schierbecker (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * To avoid duplication let's continue the discussion here, not at my talk page. — Qwerfjkl  talk  19:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for fixing that! Greatly appreciated. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the FAs. Let me know if there are any other pages that need fixing. — Qwerfjkl  talk  20:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Cewbot made the same error on William T. Anderson, Ulysses S. Grant and Fatimid conquest of Egypt on January 2. I just fixed them. Is that what Pickersgill-Cunliffe was talking about earlier? Schierbecker (talk) 02:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Schierbecker, I've only looked at the first one but it wasn't caused by Cewbot. — Qwerfjkl  talk  07:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oops, Cewbot only caused the error on Talk:Fatimid conquest of Egypt. Sorry, going error blind. Schierbecker (talk) 07:28, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

BT-13 Vultee Valiant - N67496
Hello!

We see that you have our Vultee Valiant listed at Florida Keys Int'l Airport (information pulled from FAA). Just updating that this aircraft is not only airworthy but has the original crankshaft start mechanism. It is owned by Island Warbirds (https://islandwarbirds.com) located at Florida Keys Flight Academy in Marathon, FL

1942 BT-13 Vultee Valiant - N67496

Sincerely,

Island Warbirds Islandwarbirds (talk) 15:17, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
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 * Please be sure to add a citation and not add any promotional or advertising material to the article. Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 05:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: no edits were made to the article after these posts up to the date of this comment. It appears it will be left to a project member to amend the article, with citation, as may be needed. Donner60 (talk) 07:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Effect on assessment of "too many primary primary sources" template
Does a too many primary sources template prevent an assessment of B class, or even C class, if sufficient citations are provided. In the case of the article that has raised the question for me the primary sources are mainly US Army publications, which are verifiable and adequately credible sources for the topic Sapper Leader Course. Does that make a difference if the answer generally is that the assessment must be no higher than start or C? Thanks. I may be offline for more time than I have been recently if setting up a new computer and a few other tasks that I need to work on take more time than expected or if a family member, who unfortunately has just tested positive for covid, gives me another infection. I have been online most days. This is as info if I have a sudden longer period of absence. Donner60 (talk) 09:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)


 * A "too many primary sources" template does not prevent an assessment of B class. WP:MILMOS: articles on military history should aim to be based primarily on published secondary works by reputable historians. The use of high-quality primary sources is also appropriate, but care should be taken to use them correctly, without straying into original research. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The covid infection in our household is worsening. Paxlovid has been prescribed and started. Donner60 (talk) 23:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Here's hoping everyone makes a swift recovery. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  04:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. All testing negative now. I now have some catching up to do. I'll be changing my user box to show I have survived two covid infections. Donner60 (talk) 03:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

ACR backlog
We've got 7 ACRs still open from 2023:
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Igor Mangushev has had an oppose since mid-December; nominator has not been active since early September. It may be time to close this one
 * Done -- tks for highlighting, HF. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Crusading movement - needs a general review and a source review.
 * This appears to now be the oldest one now pending. I will try to get to it before the end of the month if no one else reviews it earlier and to one or more others, time permitting; also noting that I may give priority to John Bullock Clark since it is now far along. Donner60 (talk) 05:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Done and promoted. Donner60 (talk) 04:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Hanford Engineer Works - pending 's in-progress review needs a general review. Harrias is inactive, so if someone could a step up and provide a review that would be appreciated.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a try in the next few days. With 2 1/2 reviews already, I suspect it is in good shape and won't need much more comment. Donner60 (talk) 11:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Promoted to A. Donner60 (talk) 04:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/John Bullock Clark (my nom) - has had only a single review, was up for a couple months last fall also and received no interest; if it's not of interest to reviewers here I can just give it a try at FAC and see if it interest reviewers there more as it does get heavier into the political content
 * Just took a quick look at the reviews for Clark. Now has supports from Harrias and Hawkeye7. Not sure about status of replies to Peacemaker; he has not come back yet with a final word. I think I can fit this in soon since it is far along now; it probably doesn't require much more comment. Clark and the two battles are ones that I should look at since they are topics in my most edited area (FWIW). Big Black River Bridge is familiar as a Vicksburg campaign article. Donner60 (talk) 07:05, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Fully reviewed and promoted to A-Class=pass. Donner60 (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Big Black River Bridge (my nom) - needs another general review
 * Fully reviewed and promoted to A-Class=pass. Donner60 (talk) 05:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fort McKavett State Historic Site - needs another general review, an image review, and a source review.
 * Comment: Left a ping for Hog Farm, who is completing the process for Vami_IV. I noted that Zawed has provided a third review. Donner60 (talk) 08:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This one is ready to be closed. Zawed (talk) 10:59, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Battle of Plum Point Bend (my nom) - has one in-progress review so far
 * Promoted. Donner60 (talk) 00:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to be moving soon and will be time-limited but will see what all I can review. An organized effort to keep ACR running may be necessary because this has been backlogged for most of the past year or so. Hog Farm Talk 17:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for February
The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment: (discuss) 06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC) :Reassess as start class with this edit summary: "reassess bot assessment for military history project and in banner shelll as start, fails b1 due to sources failing verification and otherwise suspect, fails b2 for incomplete coverage." Donner60 (talk) 02:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC) MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * 1999 Tempe military base shooting Removed military history project assessment with this edit summary: "removed military history project assessment and restored start class assessment; this is not in the scope of the military history project and should not have been assessed by the bot; it is about a crime that happened to have taken place on a military base; if it deserves a different assessment, another project such as crime and criminal biography must assess it." Donner60 (talk) 08:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Further note, after being question about this, I noted that the one cited different example had different content more relevant to this project and that a B assessment, apparently by the crime project, remains on the talk page. Donner60 (talk) 23:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC) I have asked for comments about my removal of this type of article (this one in particular) on the coordinator talk page. Donner60 (talk) 05:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Amazon-class frigate (1795) B class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Antoni Koper B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Aqaba Fortress B class. Donner60 (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Armed struggle against the Brazilian military dictatorship B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Gordali (1852) Downgraded to C with this edit summary, "reduced to C, some groups are introduced without full identification, some terms unexplained, progression difficult to follow, no detail on end; relies mostly on one source, non-English; large part of battle is an elided long excerpt from a reference which is not clear; fails b2 and probably b1 and b4, but leaving at C rather than start." I have already added several rather long comments on just a few articles; sorry about the wordy comments but I already view a number of lower class articles that I think need explanations and in some cases further thought. Donner60 (talk) 09:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Kasahrada B class. Noting that some alternate accounts are mentioned shedding some doubt on certain facts. Maybe this is all that can be found. Appears to be a valid event, suitably referenced so I can accept the bot assessment. Donner60 (talk) 06:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Lohgarh B class. Corrected the link to the Lohgarh which was the location of the battle. Last section could use a little clarification but seems good enough to stay at B. Donner60 (talk) 06:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Mulhouse (1674) B class. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Namacurra B class. Rather brief but a small battle in terms of numbers; perhaps there is not much more to be written about it. Donner60 (talk) 06:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Turubah (1813) Reduced assessment to start due to clarification needed tag, some expansion apparently needed to clarify and failed verification tag. Donner60 (talk) 00:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Victumulae Downgraded to start. Lacking at least one citation. Poorly written: run-on and unclear sentences, b4. Donner60 (talk) 00:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Bolesław II the Bold's expedition to Kiev (1076–1077) Similar comment as I added to War for Brest (1182–1183) a short time ago. The editor has been working on Wikipedia since December 17 and was blocked indefinitely by Cullen328 on February 22 for "Disruptive editing: Adding poorly sourced content, false accusations of vandalism." This article is also poorly written, much of it not even dealing with a military event. There is a note that the date of the expedition is actually unknown. A similiar article about a Boleslaw II has a template including unreliable sources. They are not in English so can't be checked. I haven't decided yet how far to reduce the rating and whether this should be considerably pruned. The article about Boleslaw II was not written by this editor and has a phrase that lends some reason to think this was an actual event. So I am amending this comment to rule out my proposing this for deletion. In short, however, it is a very poor article. If anyone wishes to complete this assessment earlier, please go ahead. Donner60 (talk) 08:49, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Comment amended. Donner60 (talk) 00:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC) A user who appears to contest several PRODs daily has contested this deletion, so it will need to be considered further. Donner60 (talk) 00:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC) Demoted to start class. Donner60 (talk) 02:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Bombing of Gaza A real mess this one. Although it is cited, when I checked I found cites that did not support the text. Hawkeye7
 * Bradshaw Field Training Area B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:30, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Canadian peacekeeping Is this a B class article or a list? Hawkeye7   (discuss)  06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that it is very similar, even if not quite identical, to Mister Bee's B class articles about Luftwaffe aces. I think the narrative is long enough to be an article. Yet, the combined length of the article seems small enough and the subject matter related enough not to require the list to be split into a separate list article. FWIW. Donner60 (talk) 01:16, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Since it is now up for GA, I'll presume to go with bot and with my opinion and strike this one. A somewhat related question (not specifically framed as article v. list) is being consider in the review. Donner60 (talk) 05:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Cimmerian invasion of Phrygia B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Crimean Campaign (1475) reassessed as start; another one by the indefinitely blocked user; doubtful sources; not much about the military engagement. Donner60 (talk) 03:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Cuman raid on Poland (1101) reassessed as start; another one by the indefinitely blocked user; same types of flaws. Donner60 (talk) 03:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Diego Angioletti B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Draft:Delhi Sultanate–Mewar conflicts Tagged by the Bot but moved to draftspace. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Draft:Prince Salim's Invasion of Mewar Tagged by the Bot but moved to draftspace.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Effect of the Israel–Hamas war on children in the Gaza Strip B class in form; unstable. Donner60 (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Enrico Di Brocchetti B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Expedition to Najd (1836) B class. I broke up some run-on sentences and left a talk page message requesting consideration of a clarification. Donner60 (talk) 00:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Federico Pescetto B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Gordon Klingenschmitt B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * HDMS Iver Hvitfeldt (1886) B class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * HDMS Skjold (1896) B class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Humanitarian aid during the Israel–Hamas war B class in form; unstable. Donner60 (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Kalundborg War B class. Some sentences show uncertainty and speculation but maybe that is all that can be said about this medieval conflict which appears less well known than other events at the time. Donner60 (talk) 01:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Kurdish Hezbollah insurgency B class. Another odd article for the project, IMO. Two insurgent groups fight each other, then one turns to conflict with the authorities but only the police are described as opposing the insurgents. Giving a broad definition of the scope of the project (IMO); would almost certainly be B class under terrorism in any event. Donner60 (talk) 05:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Mazi Melesa Pilip Removed military history project banner; notable as a politician, not notable as a member of the Israeli Armed forces as a gunsmith, not enough to be within the scope of military history project. Donner60 (talk) 02:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * McLaughlin Hall (Detroit, Michigan) B class. Preserved as a war memorial which seems to be enough of a relationship to the project. Donner60 (talk) 08:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Muhammad Herindra B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Nat Turner B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ohen Removed military history project banner. I see no reference or description of a military event or operation. I am not sure what the bot saw to add the project to the banner. At most there is a reference to Ohen consolidating his power over certain regions and a vague reference to a treaty that is not further described. Donner60 (talk) 01:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Olua I removed the military history project banner. There is no reference to a military event, the operation to install Iginuwa in his own kingdom by the sea is described as to perform a sacrifice before the sea. The phrase "his decisions that led to conflict" has no further information to show any military action resulted. Donner60 (talk) 01:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Operation Volcano of Rage Deleted under G5, created by blocked user while under block. Donner60 (talk) 02:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Orazio Di Negro B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Polish raid on Kievan Rus' (1136) Downgraded to start and proposed for deletion. Another by the indefinitely blocked user. Already had notability and sourcing problem templates; poorly written, flowery language, non-English references. Donner60 (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC) This PROD was also removed; assessment remains start class. Donner60 (talk) 08:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Pomeranian expedition to Santok reassess as start; reliable sources template previously placed; brief, non-neutral, more of a panegyric to Boleslaw III than a military history article. Donner60 (talk) 03:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Pompeo Provana del Sabbione B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Robert B. Sheeks B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Royal Life Guards' Mutiny B class. Donner60 (talk) 06:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC) At my suggestion, the three principal contributors agreed to change the title of the article to Danish Royal Life Guards' Mutiny. Donner60 (talk) 02:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Russian destroyer Bespokoiny (1913) B class. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * SS Dr. Heinrich Wiegand (1938) B class. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * SS Kronprinzessin Cecilie (1905) B class. Tedious repetitive reference to ship as "she" could be improved but does not take the article below B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * SS Santa Fe (1943) B class. Donner60 (talk) 08:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Stockholm Army B class. (A few acknowledged gaps in the history, not enough to downgrade article or question pertinent facts.) Donner60 (talk) 02:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Union of Donbass Volunteers Downgraded to C class. Serious questions of reliability of sources and even notability are raised on talk page. Changed b1 to no. Might have gone back to start but could not judge a fail on any other criterion. Donner60 (talk) 02:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Walter S. DeLany B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  06:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * War for Brest (1182–1183) The editor has been working on Wikipedia since December 17 and was blocked indefinitely by Cullen328 on February 22 for "Disruptive editing: Adding poorly sourced content, false accusations of vandalism." This article is also poorly written with either direct translations or flowery language. I am not sure the title of the article is even accurate. I haven't decided yet how far to reduce the rating or whether this should be proposed for deletion altogether. If anyone wishes to complete this earlier, please go ahead. 07:47, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Assessed start, should be retitled, hardly a "war." Donner60 (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

ACR for Crusading movement ready for closure
I have completed a third review for this article and the points raised have been addressed. The previous two reviews and responses were so thorough that I had only a few comments. Nonetheless, since no other third reviewer commented in whole or in significant part, I think it is proper for a completely uninvolved coordinator to close this one. Donner60 (talk) 10:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Project Scope: (1) crimes on military bases; (2) terrorist attacks on military bases
I recently removed the project banner from an article that was about a mass shooting by a soldier at a military base (1999 Tempe military base shooting). It was not a foreign base and had no military event or operation connected with it. I considered this simply as a crime that happened to have been committed on an air base. I ask that whether there are contrary views or precedents about this being within the scope of the project. I have just assessed an article as within the scope of the project with the note that I would give further thought and inquiry as to whether this too should only be within the crime and, in this case, the terrorism projects Mianwali air base attack. I think this is a closer call but possibly different enough for a different result. The event was an attack by nine jihadist militants against a Pakistani military base. Three aircraft were damaged and the article states that "The Pakistani Armed Forces repelled the attack, killing all nine attackers during the security operation." Are the additional facts enough to bring this within the scope of the project or is this still simply a large crime committed by terrorists? I will appreciate your help in defining the scope of the project in such situations. Donner60 (talk) 07:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I lean towards including it since we broadly define anything related to the military to be within our scope, so it passes that criteria in spades. You're also talking about soldiers attacking other soldiers (in the former case), which broadly fits the definition of a battle. As for the airbase attack, that's an attack on a military installation which by western definition would come under the "war on terror", so it could be reasonbly included. My two cents. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Big Black River Bridge
Fully reviewed. Promoted to A class. Donner60 (talk) 05:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

New academy page
I have documented our procedure for creating an A-Class review or reappraisal. Hawkeye7  (discuss)  02:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * In relation to A-class reviews, any thoughts on creating a separate heading on the review page for them? I think it would be useful to split the re-assessments out from the actual reviews. Just a new level two header either above or below the extant "Current reviews" slot. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 12:16, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think this would be a good idea. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've split out the reassessments, but don't know whether this will upset the bot? Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It should be okay. Unlike FACBot, it does not sort the entries chronologically. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  17:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether this is something the bot could do, but it might be useful if the bot could automatically identify a-class articles that have lost FA or GA and list them in a particular section for reassessment. As it is now articles will be falling through the cracks, as we rely on editors noticing an article has lost its status and manually putting it up for review. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The could be done by the bot. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

AutoCheck report for March
The following articles were rated as B class by automatic assessment:
 * 1964 Brazilian coup in the Paraíba Valley B class. Comment: Translated from Portugese; has a section after the aftermath about a simultaneous, related but separate event - somewhat odd placement but would not appear to affect rating. Donner60 (talk) 02:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 23rd (Service) Battalion, Manchester Regiment (8th City) B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Action of 19 Febuary 1619 B class. Notability questioned, template still on article, but some additon was made subsequently. A minor action, suggestion of merger on talk page does not point to an article for merger. B class in form, almost all foreign language sources. Articles have been posted about minor actions like this so I think it is not necessarily an outlier. Donner60 (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Avignon–Comtat Venaissin War B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Bahmani–Vijayanagar War (1398) B class. Left a note for editor asking if the monetary units can be given a modern value or other description that would give the reader a better idea of their worth. Donner60 (talk) 01:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of al-Jassora B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Getares B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Battle of Mehadia B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Bohorodytska Fortress B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Brian Sidari B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Cabinet Committee on National Security (Pakistan) removed military history project banner with this edit summary: "removed military history project banner; 11-year old article about a government panel that advises the prime minister; bot just recently added project banner but this is a government, politics article, not military history." Donner60 (talk) 01:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth B class.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Camp Barneveld B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Charles Maynard (British Army officer) B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Citadel of Safed B class.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Claës Skoglund One unsourced dates of rank section, which I removed. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany removed project banner with this edit summary "removed military history project from banner, not a military article and barely a mention of military action, covered elsewhere; rating is start from other projects, nothing here for military history to change it in any event." Donner60 (talk) 01:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

MilHistBot (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. And I also note here the project's deprecation of the term "Nazi Germany". Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Conquest of Koneswaram Temple B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Dmytro Kiva B class.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Elizabeth Augusta Russell B class.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fakhr al-Din al-Qibti After a more thorough look, reassess as start (failing b1, b2 and b5) with this edit summary: "assess start class; lead too short; significant number of sentences appear to be copied from sources, instances of direct quotes from subject which are dubious for such medieval persons, run-on sentences with disparate thoughts or facts all in the same sentence." Donner60 (talk) 05:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Francisco Vives B class.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Get Lost (organisation) B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Grave Stele of Pollis B class. Donner60 (talk) 02:54, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hatton Compton B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * HMS Lucia B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * HMS Tintagel (1918) B class.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * HSwMS Niord B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * HSwMS Oden B class.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Jørgen Jørgensen's Revolution B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Malbork treaty B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Mewar-Malwa Conflict Needs attention to grammar. Downgraded to Start class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Misrata Military Council B class. It is a large armed faction alternately called Misrata Military Brigades, part of rebellion against Qaddafi. Donner60 (talk) 01:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oleksandr Polozhynskyi B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Operation Double Eagle B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Operation Volcano of Rage B class. Donner60 (talk) 01:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Pavel Chioru B class. Very little relationship to military history. One sentence in the lead about service in the Russian Civil War and a similar sentence in the first section. I suppose there is no harm in keeping the project banner although I think removing it would be justified. Donner60 (talk) 07:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Rakhine offensive (2023–present) C-class, fails b1 because two paragraphs in Background section are without citations; comment: something of a content fork but main articles are already too long. Donner60 (talk) 01:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Robert Benoist B class. Donner60 (talk) 05:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Robert E. Condon B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Russian destroyer Derzky B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Sack of Louvain B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Siege of Giurgiu B class. Comment: Potemkin-Coburg animosity strikes me as odd. A few other articles in this series are clearly defective but different editors. Donner60 (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Siege of Janjira B class. Donner60 (talk) 09:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Siege of Mukalimi I'll go with tag by Gog for project and bot assessment. One side is identified as "militants" or "insurgents" but perhaps not a formal military force; the other appears to be a civilian mob. Clash was after two rapes by members of the first group provoked revenge or calls for justice by second. Donner60 (talk) 07:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Siege of Segusio B class. Article is about what appears to have been a minor action in Constantine's war against Maxentius (brief siege, taking a resisting town but not sacking it and moving on quickly) that could just as well be in a campaign article with a redirect. But there seems to be no harm in keeping it as a B class military history article. Donner60 (talk) 07:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Siege of Vijayanagar B class but I have left a note for the editor asking if a citation can be provided for the size of the forces. A small force of 40,000 cavalry apparently defeated a force of approximately 1 million. The size of the forces is given in the infobox, but not in the text. Donner60 (talk) 04:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * SMS G136 B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * SMS S143 B class. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * South Dakota Veterans Cemetery B class. Donner60 (talk) 22:08, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * SS Aztec B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:35, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * SS Falaba B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The Victorious Hannibal Seeing Italy from the Alps for the First Time B class. Title is the name of a painting by Francisco Goya. Donner60 (talk) 04:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * USS General G. W. Goethals B class. (One sentence at the end of a paragraph about a hull plating of SS-5, crew rescued by Goethals in 1920, being in the Naval Museum in Washington, DC, not having a citation can be overlooked, IMO; otherwise comprehensive.) Donner60 (talk) 05:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * War in Gotland (1403–1404) Needs work on grammar and sentence structure, at least. Intend to give it another look. Donner60 (talk) 07:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC) Not forgotten, should get back to it within the next few days. Donner60 (talk) 05:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC) Reduced to start class in line with banner shell rating with this edit summary: "changed bot rating of B class for military history project to start class in line with banner shell rating; fails b1 due to citation needed and page needed tags; fails b4 due to change in tenses in sentences, run-on sentences." Also, not likely known as War in Gotland (1403-1404). Combined with War in Gotland (1308) the topic is covered in one of the citations as "THE GOTLAND CAMPAIGN OF THE TEUTONIC KNIGHTS, 1398-1408." Donner60 (talk) 04:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * War of the Katzenelnbogen Succession B class. Donner60 (talk) 03:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 * William White (British Army officer) B class. Donner60 (talk) 04:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Awards
I have approved all the quarterly awards except my own. Note that with the promotion of WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Fort McKavett State Historic Site at A-Class, has been posthumously nominated for an A-class medal. Hawkeye7  (discuss)  04:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)