Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Military science, technology, and theory task force/archive1

Scope
I assume "engineering" includes machinery and hardware. Does it also include fortifications? Folks at 137 09:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, engineering of defensive structures would be included. That's my understanding, anyway. There's quite a substantial discussion about the scope over at the WikiProject's main talk page. Jakew 09:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm pretty sure that's right. Kirill Lokshin 12:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yup, its what we had in mind during the discussion on the main project Talk page: Machinery, Fortifications, Chemistry, Roads, Equipement,etc.--Dryzen 14:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * From my post at Military Science tf: "I think of technology and engineering as physical manifestation (all articles referring to tangible items and places), this task force as technique, theory and development (those articles which refer to most intangibles, substance of history and new classes of tangibles), and the historiography group as military journalism and controversy (article about recording history and meta history, humanizing, and noting anomaly, all tangible or no)." Discussion, disagreements, drawn blades? BusterD 01:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Replied here to avoid fragmenting the discussion over three pages. Kirill Lokshin 01:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

would things like load bearing and protective equipment also fall under the scope of this task force? I noticed that there dosen't seem to be much info about web gear in general other then a paragraph at webbing. Mike McGregor (Can) 01:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I would think so (and some of the more armor-like variants may be relevant to the weaponry task force as well). Kirill Lokshin 01:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone actually understand military vehicle programs here? The reasom I ask is regarding the CUCV page, as it is absolutely horrible, containing many mistakes in both the Chrysler/GM sections and the program description. I worked at GM/MVO (General Motors/Military Vehicle Operations) at the time as the lead design engineer for these trucks (later the FMTV program base vehicle design and Midgetman launcher vehicle, all at MVO) and was responsible also for building the prototype vehicles at the Milford, MI Proving grounds. Looking over the data, Iam absolutely astounded at the inaccuracies, such as saying the M1008's had a Dana 70 rear axle with a LSD (it had a corporate 14 bolt, now made by American Axle & Manufacturing, with a Detroit Locker fully locking differential. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.216.70.62 (talk) 03:01, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello All, is there anybody working on military geography / topography / airforce geography? I might be able to contribute Germany-related information. Wschroedter (talk) 00:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Need help on Fuse (explosives)
We have an enthusiastic new user who is convinced that because they were taught that "Fuse" and "Fuze" were the same thing, that nobody else could possibly use them in a technically distinct manner. I'm at 3 reverts today and I'm trying to get through on the talk page (his and articles) but I could use some help... Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 20:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Commented on article talk page. Kirill Lokshin 20:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Castles
Might I draw your attention to WikiProject Castles. Neddyseagoon - talk 13:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Missing weapon topics
Greetings. I have a short list of missing topics related to weapons and military technology. I have tried to check if there are any equivalent articles but could anyone of you have a look at the list? Thank you - Skysmith 12:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Waffenfarbe
The stub article Waffenfarbe has been proposed for deletion. Someone here might want to examine it and comment on the deletion proposal as to whether it should be kept, merged or deleted. Askari Mark (Talk) 18:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Commented there. (I'm also concerned by some of the nominator's previous comments, incidentally.) Kirill Lokshin 18:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Me too, but since he hasn't really identified an actionable case for deletion, I cannot see it going through. From comments he has made on his user page and WikiProject Germany, he seems to be a German national who just hates the military and anything associating Germany with the 3rd Reich. In any case, he doesn't yet seem to quite understand what Wikipedia is and isn't, and Agathoclea appears to be trying to educate him. Askari Mark (Talk) 23:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Can someone look over the Nagmachon stub?
Hi. I made a few changes on the Nagmachon stub due to some inaccuracies that were there before, but to be honest, I'm not entirely confident in the info I added either. I think I may be getting info about the Nagmachon vehicle, the NagmaSho't vehicle and the Nakpadon vehicles mixed up... for example, would the "NagmaSho't" also have been referred to as "Nagmachon" at some point? thanks, Mike McGregor (Can) 17:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Castles project: merge?
There's a separate castles project. Should this be merged or linked? It's tagged as inactive. Folks at 137 07:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Trinity test GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I have left this message at this task forces's talk page so that any interested members can assist in helping the article keep its GA status. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I have reviewed Trinity test and believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed, and I'll leave the article on hold for seven days for them to be fixed. Please consider helping address the several points that I listed on the talk page of the article, which shouldn't take too long to fix. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Battle of the Beams
I just tagged the Battle of the Beams for WPMILHIST and also for British, German, WW2 and Technology task forces. Initial assessment is Start, pending review for B-class.

Sv1xv (talk) 12:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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Chemical Corps
Hi all, I have been slowly improving Chemical Corps (United States Army) over the last year. There's tons more to do and any assistance (fellow Dragon Soldiers come out of the woodwork now) would be appreciated by me, and the article's readers. There are some red links that might be fun to create, maybe some good DYKs there. Anyone who wants to help should stop by. I have compiled a bunch of sources on the talk page and there is an open question there that could use some input too. Thanks. :-) --IvoShandor (talk) 13:15, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Copied from WT:MILHIST -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 03:18, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Military medicine?
Is this the right group for articles related to military medicine?

If so, an editor has requested some attention for Hemoglobin-based oxygen carriers‎ (emergency blood substitutes). Also, if there's an active group that does anything about history of medicine and battlefield medicine, I'm sure WikiProject Medicine would be happy to list it as a related group on its project page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

IR-40
Hello, I've been moderately active with this project, but I'm not too familiar with the B-class ratings. An article I have worked on, IR-40, apparently meets all but the last one, "Supporting Materials." Could someone please explain what that is to me? Thanks, ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 14:06, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

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WP:Rocketry
FYI, WP:LV WikiProject Rocketry is reorganizing, since rocketry is related to your subject of concern, this is to inform you. See WT:WikiProject_Rocketry 76.66.193.69 (talk) 02:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Inclusion of weaponry task force articles automatically in this task force
As far as I understand it, adding the weaponry task force to the WPMILHIST banner also adds this task force to the banner. With the result that the Category:Military technology and engineering task force articles includes all the weapons task force articles as well as its own. Is this by design? It makes the category tricky to navigate. I'll also mention this under the banner template. GraemeLeggett (talk) 14:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * When the task force was originally set up, it was decide that all weaponry articles would be automatically tagged into it, because the scope was defined in such a way as to include every article that fell under the Weaponry TF. The alternative, I suppose, would be to eliminate that link, and say that this TF does not automatically include all weaponry (and vehicle) topics.  Doing so will probably make this TF considerably smaller in scope; but it also leads to some confusion, since not everything intuitively related to military technology will necessarily be included.
 * In any case, it's really up to the participants of this task force and/or the project as a whole to decide how the scope should be defined; the automatic tagging is merely a reflection of that definition, and can be very easily switched to support either approach. Kirill [talk] [pf] 05:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

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Dardanelles Gun
This article seems to have shrunk in half, and been renamed, over the Summer, with mention of the "Basilic" cannon totally excised. Could someone have a look over it? It apparently was the target of an edit war. 76.66.197.30 (talk) 09:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The before/after diff is here; it looks to me like the article was cleaned up quite considerably (including the removal of its "In popular culture" section, which is generally a good thing!) If you have concerns about the alterations that were made, it's probably best to take them up with either Gun Powder Ma (the editor responsible) or on the article talkpage. EyeSerene talk 13:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Task Force housekeeping

 * Please discuss this here

There's a proposal to consolidate TFs into larger, more active, ones. This includes:


 * Military science could be merged with Military technology and engineering to form the Military science and technology task force.

Thoughts? Roger Davies talk 14:03, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Works for me since "military science" has a different connotation in the US than was perhaps initially envisioned. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

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Portal:Biological warfare at peer review
A new portal Portal:Biological warfare is now up for portal peer review, the review page is at Portal peer review/Biological warfare/archive1. I put a bit of work into this and feedback would be appreciated prior to featured portal candidacy. Thank you for your time, Cirt (talk) 22:31, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

New article MG 45
Apparently the MG 45 was a prototype improvement on the MG 42. It was a requested article, so I fulfilled that with this stub and filed it with the other prototype firearms. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:16, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for Barrage (artillery) now open
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Task force merger
Further to this discussion at WT:MILHIST, the Military science task force and the Military technology and engineering task force have been merged together to create this, the Military science and technology task force. All updates to the task force infrastructure are now complete, and those members that make use of transcluded task-force specific templates such as the announcements template or the userbox should find they have altered accordingly. However, members may wish to update their watchlists to reflect the name changes to various pages and categories.

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Peer review for Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance (Tracked) now open
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GA reassessment of Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States
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Featured portal candidacy
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Peer review for Organization of the Luftwaffe (1933-1945) now open
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A-Class review for Ordnance QF 25-pounder Short now open
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James Lind
James Lind was a pioneer of naval hygiene and medical practices in the 18th century Royall Navy. So, I've added him to WPMILHIST and to this task force. Is this appropriate, given the man's impact upon naval efficiency and fighting capability? I notice that an earlier enquiry about military medicine went unanswered. Folks at 137 (talk) 21:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say that his naval service alone warranted inclusion in Milhist, and his medical work seems to make him more than worthy of being in this task force. Supporting elements of military history like medicine all to often slip under the radar, so I think this is a good catch Folks at 13/. Cheers, Ranger Steve (talk) 22:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

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Does China have a nuclear triad?
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A-Class review for Organization of the Luftwaffe (1933–1945) now open
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Peer review for FN P90 now open
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Featured article candidacy for Tower of London now open
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Peer review for GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle now open
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Peer review for FN Five-seven now open
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'Correct' meaning of Military Acronym: TADS/PNVS
re TADS/PNVS ≡ Target Acquisition and Designation System, Pilot Night Vision System.
 * A recent edit has changed the meaning of S in TADS from System to Sights.
 * This is how Lockheed Martin defines the term. See Arrowhead.
 * It was originally "Sight", but moved to "System" on 20 October 2006
 * If this stays as S≡Sights, it means the article title and text don't match.
 * I have also seen PNVS as Passive(not Pilot) Night Vision System (or even PNV Sensor). It seems the acronym can be interpreted in several ways. Advice & comments please! 220.101 talk\Contribs 14:11, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Since the source supports the change, I've moved the article to Target Acquisition and Designation Sights, Pilot Night Vision System. As for the "P", I've certainly always seen it as indicating "Passive" rather than "Pilot" (eg PNG passive night-vision goggles), but I guess its Lockheed's kit so they can define the acronym how they like :) If you have other sourced versions, perhaps including a footnote or something giving the alternatives would be one way to address the issue? EyeSerene talk 14:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for response EyeSerene. Concur with your move here(basically back to what it was ≈4 years ago!) The original move was apparently based on Google hits! See rationale Here There as a source from 2003 here, but not as good as the Manufacturer. It's likely people mistake/misspeak the meaning, it has changed slighly over time, or that alternatives exist see here, but Verifiablility/Reliable Source trumps all, I suppose. 220.101 talk\Contribs 22:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, WP:V as always :) I think whatever versions others use (and I'm sure you're right about mistaken/misspoken meanings), we have to go by the manufacturer's official designation. EyeSerene talk 08:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

A-Class review for Leslie Groves now open
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Magnetic_accelerator_gun
FYI Magnetic_accelerator_gun has been prodded for deletion. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 06:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)